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L37[06:26:29] <Enclose> Hello guys. I've
got a question about modding, is this the right place to ask?
L38[06:27:14] <Althego> you can try but
there is a modding channel too
L39[06:27:35] <Enclose> Ah, could you point
me in the right direction ? :)
L40[06:27:57] <Althego> and i never
remember its name because it was split in two
L41[06:28:46] <Althego> maybe
#kspmodders
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L45[06:41:37] <Mat2ch> oh, new music from
The Prodigy. And it sounds like 1999 :D
L46[06:42:18] <Althego> party like it's
1999
L47[06:46:25] <Mat2ch> I'm partying like
it's 2019!
L48[06:46:27] <Mat2ch> :D
L49[06:50:18] <Rolf> im partying like it's
2019 bc!
L50[06:50:24] <Althego> hehe
L51[06:50:34] <Althego> cant imagine what
that could have been
L52[06:50:48] <Althego> only live
music
L53[06:50:59] <Althego> alcohol
existed
L54[06:51:11] <Althego> so probably people
drank too
L55[06:51:43] <Rolf> alchol is way older
than farming
L56[06:51:55] <Rolf> they thought it come
from farming but theres recent discovery
L57[06:56:30] <legion> something like
farming shouldn't be tied to a single point in time, imho
L58[06:57:01] <Rolf> theres some gray area
between no farm (pure forage) and farming
L59[06:57:17] <Rolf> like maybe figuring
that some plants can grow more if parts of it is spread
around
L60[06:57:33] <Rolf> but alchol is very
old, well outside that gray area
L61[06:58:59] <legion> it occurs naturaly.
same with fire. humans only invented uses for them.
L62[06:59:18] <Rolf> of course
L63[06:59:44] <Althego> animals got drunk
on rotten fruits long before humans
L64[07:00:12] <Rolf> Althego: did you see
eleplants and fruit? theyre getting around drunk
L66[07:00:33] <kmath> YouTube - DRUNK
ELEPHANTS!!!
L68[07:02:25] <Rolf> ie: bad moonshine alt
;)
L69[07:02:33] <Althego> hehe
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L71[07:02:58] <Rolf> though I wonder on
ponental of mining for other uses
L72[07:05:00] <Rolf> mining eh more like
gathering up lol
L73[07:05:03] <Althego> on last canister of
nitrous oxide :)
L74[07:05:39] <Althego> (in reality it is
whipped cream)
L75[07:05:50] <Althego> or something
similar
L76[07:06:00] <Rolf> isnt it laughing
gas?
L77[07:06:13] <Althego> and rocket
oxidizer
L78[07:06:33] <Rolf> aw youre on las
laughing tank
L79[07:06:37] <Althego> supposedly that is
the pressurizing agent because carbon dioxide would make it
sour
L80[07:06:57] <Althego> i could imagine
argon too
L81[07:07:29] <Rolf> define sour in this
context? not sure what it means. pretty reasonably not literal
taste.
L82[07:07:56] <Althego> it is. the gas
would dissolve in the liquid making it sourt. just as a carbonated
drink
L84[07:08:39] <Rolf> barely related
L85[07:08:56] <Rolf> would it affect
perforance?
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L88[07:24:29] <Althego> what kind of
performance. the whipped cream must taste good
L89[07:25:02] <Rolf> sigh duh for me
L90[07:25:09] <Rolf> I wa thinking in terms
of rocketery
L91[07:25:23] <Rolf> so I was wondering
what sour meant in context of rocketery and perforance
L92[07:25:32] <Althego> hehe
L93[07:26:00] <Rolf> tired lol work 10
hours then its 5 am
L94[07:26:13] <Althego> hehe only 10?
L95[07:28:20] <Rolf> heh holiday week work
always suck
L96[07:28:39] <Rolf> only 2 days but wed
feels like monday, AND I feel like its late thursday all day
L97[07:28:46] <Rolf> thurs feels like im
working overtim,e
L98[07:28:48] <Althego> hehe
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L129[11:46:18] <kmath> YouTube - ASW-28
cockpit view
L130[11:46:43] <Althego> hehe you can se
the motor
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L132[11:51:22] <Fluburtur> yeah the motor
is inside
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L149[13:13:19] <Althego> why
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L151[13:14:41] <Rokker> Malachite: you
alive
L153[13:27:05] ***
SantaKline is now known as fountainpuppy
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L155[13:32:15] <Malachite> mawp
L156[13:32:40] <Malachite> poor panels on
the back
L157[13:44:34] <darsie> after an hour or
so my 11 kpart thing finally shows up on the launchpad.
L158[13:44:52] <Althego> eleven thousand
parts?
L159[13:45:07] <darsie> mhm
L160[13:45:10] <Althego> lol
L161[13:45:13] <darsie> :)
L162[13:46:33] <Malachite> :|
L163[13:48:20] <JVFoxy> vut.. vhy?
L164[13:48:54] <JVFoxy> Althego launching
a warehouse are we?
L165[13:49:12] <Althego> i dont
L166[13:49:26] <JVFoxy> sorry...
darsie..
L167[13:49:41] <raptop> Munar round trip
with sepratrons?
L168[13:49:49] <Althego> hehe
L169[13:49:55] <JVFoxy> stupid fridays...
when you think Mondays are bad. Friday, just go stupid for moments
because.. why not, its start of weekend
L170[13:50:34] <Althego> hehe
L171[13:50:55] <JVFoxy> I could go through
5 BIG mugs of coffee and still wanna crawl into bed, sleep for a
day.
L172[13:51:06] <Althego> test production
always starts at friday afternoon :)
L173[13:51:31] <JVFoxy> What is more
annoying? Every morning, waking up on my back, only to end up with
stupid sore back. Drag myself to shower, soak in hot water, ease
back...
L174[13:51:38] <Althego> i havent worked
in production for more than 10 years
L175[13:52:08] <Althego> but there are
unforgettable moments
L176[13:52:32] <JVFoxy> Meh.. I worked
printing, more personalizing stuff, promo items. I was good at
solving problems with the machines. Bad part of it, they expected
you to work magic 125% of the time
L177[13:53:50] <JVFoxy> customer wanted a
print bigger than our machine can handle.. I even explained it. Was
told, "you did it once before, do it again!" if the shop
as actually climate controlled, I could. Laid me off instead
L178[13:54:29] <JVFoxy> Althego
unforgettable years as well
L179[13:54:48] <JVFoxy> ... forgettable
years... -face-keyboard- ugh..
L180[13:55:27] <Althego> hehe happened to
me. macimum board with 250mm on a dual lane, they wanted 253mm
boards
L181[13:55:37] <Althego> i had to hand
modify the machnes specially for this
L182[13:55:57] <Althego> never got
anything for it
L183[13:56:56] <JVFoxy> they wanted
5" print on 5" pad... curved surface.. I could have had a
8" pad.. it still come out warped because your surface is bent
around. Bad enough they wanted intertwined two colors.
L184[13:58:35] <JVFoxy> just happened by
fluke I got one test print done 'almost' perfect.. (lets not get
into the one guy who wanted 6 color prints. One main, 5 5mm leaves
in different colors. Guess the only saving grace was larger
tolerances)
L185[13:59:18] *
JVFoxy looks around for a candy bar... that 'you not your self when
your hungry' commercial stuck in head now
L186[14:07:19] <Rokker> Malachite: it's
got more problems than just the panels. it's missing a few critical
components
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L189[14:07:45] <Althego> hehe
L190[14:08:02] <Althego> something is
missing
L191[14:09:23] <raptop> Ah, it's a fanless
duct
L192[14:09:33] <Althego> hehe
L193[14:13:21] <Malachite>
"magnetohydrodynamic drive"
L194[14:13:47] <Althego> i was thinking
more along the lines of ion drive
L195[14:13:51] <JVFoxy> advent of electric
planes?
L196[14:13:58] <Althego> maybe because of
the recent ion planething
L197[14:14:09] <JVFoxy> sigh.. talk over
here on news asbout death of fuel engines by 2040-2050
L198[14:14:23] <Althego> in reality no
technology ever dies
L199[14:14:34] <Althego> yes there are
still steam engine trains around
L200[14:14:41] <JVFoxy> 'fuel'...
L201[14:14:46] <Malachite> doubt it
L202[14:14:46] <Althego> vinyl
records
L203[14:14:48] <Althego> etc
L204[14:14:57] <Malachite> batteries just
dont have the energy density necessary
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L206[14:15:15] <Althego> not yet
anyway
L207[14:15:25] <Althego> what if we stored
antimatter in a magnetic bottle? :)
L208[14:15:30] <JVFoxy> idea of forcing
everything electric, home and transportation... though I feeling
maybe news is fear mongering.
L209[14:15:38] <Malachite> antimatter
would be a fuel :P
L210[14:15:57] <Malachite> JVFoxy: more
electric means more electric plants, which noone wants
>_>
L211[14:16:02] <Malachite> cant have your
cake and eat it too
L212[14:16:11] <Althego> what is
worse
L213[14:16:11] <JVFoxy> hydrogen is fuel
but makes water.. they wanna ban too? I think something funky going
on
L214[14:16:21] <Althego> how would you
power all those plug in car chargers?
L215[14:16:34] <Althego> for example i can
draw a max of 10 amper here
L216[14:16:38] <JVFoxy> Malachite west
coast Canada here... powerplants = hdyro dams mostly
L217[14:16:39] <Althego> that is nothing
for a cahrger
L218[14:16:48] <Althego> and even then it
is not on ground level
L219[14:16:55] <Althego> how am i supposed
to let the car charge?
L220[14:17:05] <Althego> and the elctric
grid also needs an upgrade
L221[14:17:49] <Althego> the worst thing,
the charging happens at a relly inconvenient time. everybody goes
home, activates all devices, and plugs in the car to charge
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L223[14:18:10] <JVFoxy> upgrade grid?
well... charge more for power, who cares if you drive everyone into
ruines
L224[14:18:12] <Althego> solar is no
solution for this, since this all happens in the evening
L225[14:18:31] <JVFoxy> been problems
here.. pay for power, or pay for food
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L227[14:20:01] <Althego> and even if we
stopped all carbon emissions right now, the carbon dioxide in the
atmosphere stays there for some thousand years, warming up earth
further
L228[14:20:26] <Althego> looks like an
event horizon
L229[14:20:44] <Althego> btw planes create
a lot more carbin dioxide
L230[14:21:35] <JVFoxy> planes could be
grounded till all are electric
L231[14:21:46] <Althego> hehe
L232[14:21:48] <Althego> not gooing to
happen
L233[14:21:53] <JVFoxy> been talk about
carbon extractors..
L234[14:22:11] <JVFoxy> well already
electric ultralights
L235[14:22:21] <Althego> i dont know about
ships. although those might be surprisingly efficient moving a lot
of cargo around
L236[14:23:26] <raptop> nuclear-electric
ships :D
L237[14:23:43] <JVFoxy> giant sails on
cargo ships
L238[14:24:01] <Althego> that could
work
L239[14:24:03] <JVFoxy> they thought about
nuclear cars, plans and trains.. all having shielding issues
L240[14:24:06] <Althego> worked for
hundreds of years
L241[14:24:24] <Althego> like the sailing
drones
L243[14:25:12] <Althego> looks crazy
L244[14:25:39] <JVFoxy> I would /love/ a
small sailboat myself
L245[14:25:59] <JVFoxy> not a dingy.. but
cabin with dual bed, sink/stove at least.
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L250[14:57:58] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: Pay no attention to the Kraken behind the
curtain.
L251[14:59:35] <raptop> ;8ball Is Soma a
good game?
L252[14:59:35] <kmath> raptop: You may
rely on it
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L254[15:00:05] <Althego> hehe who
knows
L255[15:00:10] <Althego> it is for free so
i took it
L256[15:00:10] <Scolar_Visari> Raptop: If
it's free it's a good game.
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L258[15:00:22] *
Scolar_Visari glares at their copy that just finished
downloading.
L259[15:00:28] <Althego> horror is not
exactly my genre
L260[15:00:44] <Althego> but for example
stasis was good
L261[15:00:47] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: So
you're probably one of those people, like me, who never get past
the first five minutes of Alien: Isolation?
L262[15:00:50] <raptop> Scolar_Visari:
yeah, I grabbed the free GOG deal.
L263[15:00:56] <Althego> so it can be that
i like this one too
L264[15:01:08] <Althego> never tried
it
L265[15:01:14] *
raptop likes how Alien FPS games tend to have no enemies for the
first level or so.
L266[15:01:36] <Scolar_Visari> AvP2 did it
right with the tracker going off all the time for things like
doors.
L267[15:01:37] <raptop> ...speaking of
Horror, I still have the Amnesia games sitting in my Steam library
unplayed o_O
L268[15:01:49] <Scolar_Visari> Amnesia's
made by the same people who did Soma.
L269[15:03:25] <raptop> hm
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L271[15:04:54] *
Scolar_Visari ponders if Stern et al. will try to make out Ultima
Thule as a, "planet" during its flyby.
L272[15:05:37] <Althego> it's not a tumor
:)
L273[15:05:45] <Althego> and it is not a
plant
L274[15:05:47] <Althego> planet
L275[15:06:11] <Scolar_Visari> Huh, the
first images will be uploaded within a day.
L276[15:06:20] <raptop> It's most
definitely not in hydrostatic equilibrium, so I'd hope not.
L277[15:06:30] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
Stern's definition of a planet seems to change on a whim.
L278[15:06:40] <raptop> ...please don't
ask me what's going on with the elongation but static light
curve.
L279[15:07:48] <Scolar_Visari> I'm not
saying it's aliens . . . And it probably isn't aliens.
L280[15:08:05] <raptop> There are two
kinds of people who call Pluto a planet. One thinks that we should
minimize or drop the dynamical definition (and therefore are fine
with moons being planets and the solar system having 100+ planets.)
The other are just wrong.
L281[15:08:09] *
Scolar_Visari actually looked up Enceladus' light curve to see if
high reflectivity may account for some of the wonkiness. Further
analysis required.
L282[15:08:45] <raptop> Enceladus almost
certainly does not have aliens pointing parabolic reflectors at
Earth.
L283[15:08:46] <Scolar_Visari> Enceladus
is also pretty bumpy.
L284[15:08:58] <Scolar_Visari> Ah, but
it's also the brightest known object (?) in the Solar System.
L285[15:09:03] <Scolar_Visari> Er, most
reflective.
L286[15:09:06] *
Scolar_Visari ignores Venus.
L287[15:10:19] <raptop> What's the albedo
of an S-IVb or Centaur in heliocentric orbit?
L288[15:10:55] <Althego> african or
european? :)
L289[15:12:45] <Scolar_Visari> . . .
"Russia says new missile flies 27 times faster than the speed
of sound".
L290[15:12:54] <raptop> ;c 340*27
L291[15:12:54] <kmath> raptop: 9180
L292[15:12:59] <raptop> So... it's an
ICBM.
L293[15:13:23] <VanDisaster> isn't that
slightly above escape velocity?
L294[15:13:43] <Althego> hehe
L295[15:13:47] <raptop> Above circular
(ignoring dV losses), below escape.
L296[15:14:02] <Scolar_Visari> raptop:
Well, if they're talking about the alleged abilities of the Zircon
missile, I guess they don't know how Mach works?
L297[15:14:24] <Scolar_Visari> "New
missile? Nyet, we've had these for decades!"
L298[15:14:49] <Althego> mach number is
not straightforward to convert o absolute velocity
L299[15:14:55] *
Scolar_Visari would actually be tickled if the hypersonic,
airbreathing Zircon missile just happened to be a stripped down
ballistic missile.
L300[15:15:33] <raptop> Scolar_Visari: oh,
there's an airbreathing stage?
L301[15:15:39] <Althego> less payload is
corresponding to more boosters :)
L303[15:16:39] <Scolar_Visari> raptop: The
whole thing's allegedly a scramjet ala the X-51.
L304[15:17:03] <Scolar_Visari> Fluburtur:
"Hans, it won't fit!"
L305[15:17:12] <Althego> lol
L306[15:18:25] <Scolar_Visari> Some of the
depictions of the missile are even re-textured models of the X-51
ala
https://bit.ly/2SoynAM
L307[15:18:43] <raptop> o_O
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L309[15:22:32] <Scolar_Visari> Fluburtur:
I'm seriously wondering if, even if it could fit, if a Ju-290 could
actually carry a single Sd.Kfz. 250.
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L311[15:23:43] <Fluburtur> maybe?
L312[15:26:06] <Scolar_Visari> It doesn't
appear any actually flew with Sd.Kfz. 250 cargoes.
L313[15:30:11] *
Scolar_Visari ponders if the person on the ladder is nodding their
head in disbelief. "Hans, I told you it wouldn't
fit!"
L314[15:31:29] <raptop> Apparently someone
forgot to measure things before loading?
L315[15:31:56] <Scolar_Visari> Would this
honestly surprise you given some of the other Third Reich
shenanigans?
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L319[15:36:56] <Scolar_Visari> Sort of
like forgetting to conduct any sort of quality control on torpedoes
and having them not explode. Or perhaps their entire atomic bomb
and power project.
L320[15:37:22] <raptop> well, TBF, look at
early war US torpedoes.
L321[15:38:55] <Scolar_Visari> Psht, real
submarine warfare involves using economical deck guns!
L322[15:39:18] <Scolar_Visari> So long as
your target has nothing more than a machine gun on it.
L323[15:39:40] <raptop> o_O
L324[15:40:20] <Scolar_Visari> Well, think
about it: It's not like the decks of submarines are exactly stable
firing platforms with cover for their otherwise completely exposed
crew.
L325[15:41:30] <Scolar_Visari> So your
opponent must do the honorable thing and never move in convoys
and/or put guns on their merchant vessels.
L326[15:42:39] <Scolar_Visari> Seriously,
though, most of the first World War's submarine warfare kills were
made with surface gunnery, sometimes with only warning shots though
as was desired by then maritime law.
L327[15:42:50] <raptop> O_o
L328[15:44:19] <Scolar_Visari> Though,
back then, it was harder to kill u-boats. The British even tried
using merchant vessels with hidden weapons as 'bait' to lure
submarines in to close range.
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L330[15:46:17] <Scolar_Visari> Then some
one had to go invent radar and active sonar.
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merchant shipping.
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L335[15:52:25] *
Scolar_Visari snickers at the battle between the SMS Cap Trafalgar
and the ship it was surreptitiously painted as, the RMS
Carmania.
L336[15:53:39] <raptop> that sounds
silly
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L339[15:57:18] <Scolar_Visari> It was, and
I can only imagine how the crew of the RMS Carmania felt when they
spotted the Cap Tralfagar's livery.
L340[15:57:50] <Scolar_Visari> "Oi,
capn'! Aren't WE the RMS Carmania?"
L341[16:00:33] <raptop> (insert spiderman
pointing at spiderman meme here)
L342[16:01:17] <Scolar_Visari> Surface
commerce raiding is a missed opportunity for some sweet sim
games.
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L345[16:04:20] <Fluburtur> wat
L346[16:05:08] <Scolar_Visari> Limited
production run caseless ammo for the G-11 rifle.
L347[16:05:28] <Scolar_Visari> Ammo
developed by the same people who brought us dynamite, rifle by
H&K
L348[16:09:30] <Fluburtur> caseless ammo
is a thing
L349[16:09:33] <Fluburtur> alright
then
L350[16:09:45] <Fluburtur> the best for
that is probably the gyrojet but it is pretty much useless
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L353[16:27:13] <Scolar_Visari> Gyrojet's
are tiny rockets! The G11 more or less fired a conventional
bullet.
L354[16:27:39] <Scolar_Visari> The
cartridges were even detonated by a conventional primer.
L355[16:29:12] <Scolar_Visari> The problem
was developing a material to replace the case and smokeless powder
that wouldn't cook off at normal firearm operating
temperatures.
L356[16:30:28] <Scolar_Visari> While a
suitable material was eventually found, it was also discovered that
the ammunition was vulnerable to damage, so they were kept in
sealed plastic containers instead of, "loose" in normal
boxes to only be opened when loading a magazine.
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L358[16:32:08] <raptop> uh
L359[16:32:27] <Scolar_Visari> The cost of
the entire system (ammo and gun, which used a wonky, enormous bolt)
and the lackluster bullet (puny 4.73) ensured the G11 was only used
sparingly.
L361[16:33:00] <kmath> YouTube - Shrek but
the ENTIRE MOVIE is converted to MIDI
L362[16:33:26] *
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the bending one) were similar to the G11 albeit with completely
expendable magazines.
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mechs.
L366[16:37:17] <Scolar_Visari> Cameron has
a good eye for believable, technical detail.
L368[16:41:22] *
raptop maintains that Cameron is too good at technical detail for
the story told in Avatar.
L369[16:41:34] <raptop> Also, yay,
hopefully.
L370[16:42:17] <Scolar_Visari> For
everyone else, there's the Abyss Director's cut!
L371[16:42:45] <Althego> avatar story
sucked. i watched it so he would do the alita movie. and yet after
several years he is not doing it
L372[16:42:45] *
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L373[16:43:00] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
Nope, that would be Ridley Scott.
L374[16:45:07] <raptop> Scolar_Visari: I
want to live in a world where Helium-3 articles are just talking
about the interaction of the solar wind with the Moon's
surface.
L375[16:45:34] <raptop> Unless someone can
wave a wand and get us second gen fusion reactors.
L376[16:45:41] <Scolar_Visari> raptop: You
do, but only if you restrict yourself to scholarly articles.
L377[16:46:06] <raptop> I mean, I already
have a few journals in my RSS reader...
L378[16:47:58] <Scolar_Visari> I'd rather
live in the world with easy-peasy proton chain fusion.
L379[16:49:36] <raptop> Well, yes.
Magicing away that deuterium production step would be best.
L380[16:50:07] <Scolar_Visari> I'm sure
this would have some pretty weird effect on the economics of
everything.
L381[16:50:20] <Scolar_Visari> Like atomic
fission was supposed to with nuclear cars.
L382[16:51:15] <Althego> nuclear cars for
the nuclear family :)
L383[16:51:58] <Scolar_Visari> Alas, both
are the product of that odd point in the 20th Century when
television sucked and everything was in black and white.
L384[16:52:34] *
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woolen clothes and street theater.
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L428[21:49:07] <packbart> There are just
so. many. mods. I feel like I spent ages scrolling through mod
descriptions. some silly enough I might eventually install them,
like "mod that causes kerbal to move seats every now and
again", others feel more like cheating, "give decouplers
autopilot capabilities"
L429[21:50:47] <packbart> I wonder if it
integrates with that other mod giving decoupler capabilities to
fuel tanks
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L431[21:54:56] <UmbralRaptor> "this
mod causes decouplers to swap locations every now and
then."
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L433[21:55:29] <Rolf> lol I should upload
my insane engine part
L434[21:55:45] <Rolf> I was trying to make
emdrive but screwed up so it was insanely powerful
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L437[21:58:43] <kmath> <✔EMSpeck>
Despite the shutdown, @NASA will be streaming @NASANewHorizons
#UltimaFlyby events after all. The agency's website…
https://t.co/bboQ0cemLp
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