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L6[01:26:04] <Althego> https://twitter.com/NASAInSight/status/1074829856481792000
L7[01:26:05] <kmath> <✔NASAInSight> Easy does it... ⏎ ⏎ Who knew that practicing the claw game would come in handy for exploring #Mars? I’ve got a grip on… https://t.co/d7sKOEcaw7
L8[01:31:06] <Althego> i thought it would be hardeer to aim with only one camera
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L15[02:12:14] <Eddi|zuHause> make an experiment: close your eyes, and try to grab your nose. how hard was it to aim with no "camera"?
L16[02:13:10] <Eddi|zuHause> (hint: you're probably using more sensors than just cameras)
L17[02:24:12] <Althego> i know about that. and i know how robots work. technically it could do it completely blindly. but then why have the camera?
L18[02:27:06] <Eddi|zuHause> to make pretty pictures for twitter
L19[02:27:11] <Althego> hehe
L20[02:31:14] <Eddi|zuHause> also, if you can move the camera, and the object doesn't move, you can use one camera to triangulate the position of the object
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L24[02:37:44] <Althego> but they didnt do that
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L28[03:04:02] <Althego> hehe scott noticed that there are some launches today
L29[03:04:09] <Althego> i thought there are 3
L30[03:08:34] <Althego> ah blue origin, that is only suborbital
L31[03:12:31] <Althego> and nrol is already wednesday for me, so i can watch that from replay
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L39[05:20:12] <Bllaank> woo, rocket tuseday.
L40[05:21:16] <Bllaank> 2 hours till spacex goes live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMtpVS0xM1c
L41[05:21:16] <kmath> YouTube - GPS III SV01 Mission
L42[05:21:56] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/524546508062982144/48382645_1153741004780875_1879346975694913536_n.png
L43[05:22:06] <Althego> hehehe
L44[05:22:13] <Althego> got what they deserved
L45[05:24:41] <Althego> probably closer to 3 hours
L46[05:24:58] <Althego> maybe stream starts in 2.5
L47[05:38:12] <Epi> Launch preamble probalby goes for a bit
L48[05:38:53] <Epi> Fluburtur maybe a higher up at Bethesda was hired by secretly hired by Obsidian to pave the way for them :D
L49[05:40:32] <Epi> lastMessage.stringReplace(first instance of "hired by" with "")
L50[05:48:40] <Althego> hehehe https://youtu.be/pERkreqCKrM
L51[05:48:40] <kmath> YouTube - 20181213121841 674
L52[05:52:44] <Rolf> wonder how long before flatspaceship idea comes up :P
L53[05:53:19] <Althego> well there is the mad mike hughes who built a rocket to test flat earth
L54[05:53:39] <Rolf> yeah he got hurt sint it
L55[05:53:49] <Althego> and didnt go too high up
L56[05:53:53] <Althego> but maybe the next one
L57[05:54:58] <Althego> haha the laugh https://coub.com/view/1jzaee
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L59[05:55:58] <Bllaank> Yeah, that steam rocket?
L60[05:56:03] <Althego> that
L61[05:56:03] <Bllaank> Instead of a hot air balloon?
L62[05:56:09] <Bllaank> How did he get hurt?
L63[05:56:10] <Althego> or a small airplane
L64[05:56:21] <Bllaank> Yeah, a Cessna 172 flies higher.
L65[05:56:25] <Althego> obviouskly
L66[05:56:30] <Althego> costs lot less
L67[05:56:38] <Bllaank> He's clearly not smart.
L68[05:56:52] <Althego> or he is. what if he just used flat earth to collect money
L69[05:57:28] <Bllaank> He wouldn't have gotten hurt.
L70[05:57:51] <Bllaank> He wouldn't have used steam.
L71[05:57:58] <Bllaank> He wouldn't have launched at a 45 degree angle.
L72[05:59:03] <Bllaank> 45 degree launch angle is for max horizontal distance.
L73[05:59:34] <Bllaank> Depending on initial launch velocity and size of the spherical object you are launching from you may get more distance from more or less angle since we aren't dealing with a flat surface, but rather orbits.
L74[06:00:11] <Althego> lol there is a 3 minute version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j52odgkRxDs
L75[06:00:11] <kmath> YouTube - Blonde woman tries to fill up a Tesla Model S with gas
L76[06:00:28] <Bllaank> The higher the velocity at launch, the flatter you want your trajectory. If you were firing an object at 9 km/s you'd want a 0 degree luanch angle, ignoring atmosphere of course.
L77[06:00:55] <Bllaank> You would do a circumnavigation of the earth, launching at 0 degrees, at 9 km/s.
L78[06:01:07] <Bllaank> You would impact the luanch site from the other side.
L79[06:01:27] <Bllaank> At 45 degree angle at 9 km/s you would impact somewhere 90% around the earth.
L80[06:01:31] <Bllaank> Something like that.
L81[06:01:40] <Bllaank> Maybe 75%
L82[06:02:10] <Bllaank> I should totally boot up KSP, set atmosphere to zero resistance and test this.
L83[06:02:22] <Bllaank> Cause I have a basic orbital simulator.
L84[06:02:26] <Bllaank> On my computer.
L85[06:03:51] <Bllaank> Huh..... exactly 75% across the surface of the earth if you launched at 9km/s at 45 degree angle.
L86[06:04:14] <Bllaank> There has got to be some neat math behind that. Launch angle to circumnavigation graph.
L87[06:04:18] <Bllaank> Probably a sine wave?
L88[06:05:00] <Bllaank> At 0 you get 0% orbit. at 45 you get 75%. At 0 you get 100% orbit.
L89[06:08:14] <Bllaank> It's not 75%. I'm wrong.
L90[06:09:13] <Bllaank> Anyone got web based orbit simulator where I can set velocities and launch angles from earth?
L91[06:12:46] * UmbralRaptor has a feeling that this would involve annoying numeric bits.
L92[06:14:02] <KrazyKrl> my math comes out to somewhere between zero and infinity velocities.
L93[06:14:08] <Althego> hehe
L94[06:14:21] <Althego> how about the negative and complex values?
L95[06:14:58] <KrazyKrl> if you're going at negative launch velocity, you will not go to space today.
L96[06:15:55] <Rolf> programmer answers to velocity: 0 1 pos-infinity 182717239171 -1 "lol"
L97[06:16:13] <Rokker> its 5 launch Tuesday everyone
L98[06:16:14] <Bllaank> You guys would like having a little Unity player orbit sim, wouldn't you?
L99[06:16:16] <Althego> actually velocity would be a vector, and speed is a scalar
L100[06:16:19] <Rokker> get hype
L101[06:16:24] <Rokker> GET
L102[06:16:26] <Rokker> HYPE
L103[06:16:29] <KrazyKrl> no
L104[06:16:36] <Rokker> yes
L105[06:16:52] <Althego> 5?
L106[06:16:59] <Althego> you cant even fit 3 in it
L107[06:17:04] <Rokker> 5 launches in the next 24 hours
L108[06:17:08] <Althego> way in wednesday with the delta
L109[06:17:10] <Rokker> 22.5 really
L110[06:17:13] <Rokker> no
L111[06:17:16] <Rokker> not in america
L112[06:17:20] <Bllaank> Just a neat gadget with a few sliders like launch angle, velocity, body mass, body radius. It would animate the orbit, show if it impacts or escapes, have presets for the planetary bodies of sol system.
L113[06:17:32] <Rokker> PSLV is the only one happening in Wednesday in america
L114[06:17:35] <Rolf> oops forgot one answer: NaN
L115[06:17:38] <Rokker> and if you are hawaiian?
L116[06:17:44] <Rokker> all launches are on turesday
L117[06:17:47] <Rokker> Tuesday
L118[06:18:01] <Althego> is this a webcomic? updates on tuesdays
L119[06:18:09] <Rokker> 5 launch tuesdayyyyyy
L120[06:19:36] <Rokker> 5 launches in a 20.5 hours period
L121[06:19:39] <Rokker> so exciting
L122[06:19:57] <Althego> why are you here, nobody mentioned a museum
L123[06:20:16] <Althego> it is actually a plane mausoleum :)
L124[06:20:47] <KrazyKrl> I mean... giraffes are now an endangered species... so that's kinda not cool i guess.
L125[06:21:23] <Bllaank> I expect updates and links to technical webcasts.
L126[06:21:30] <Rokker> because its 5 launch tuesday
L127[06:21:31] <Bllaank> cause I love hearing them controllers talk.
L128[06:21:35] <Bllaank> Mmmmm sweet molassis.
L129[06:23:00] <KrazyKrl> I mean... you could always listen to webradio of ATC (or setup a reciever yourself)
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L132[06:23:30] <Althego> cant be that hard, these are normal analog communications
L133[06:23:57] <KrazyKrl> well, they also have some OOB data communications.
L134[06:24:06] <Bllaank> I also don't need announcers telling me what is going on. I like the technical side of launches.
L135[06:24:36] <Rokker> why would you want technical webcast for the ariane launch
L136[06:24:41] <Bllaank> I also would love a KER readout for each launch.
L137[06:24:44] <Rokker> its just a bunch of french
L138[06:24:46] <Rokker> disgusting
L139[06:24:49] <Bllaank> oh, I guess.
L140[06:25:19] <Rokker> and then Stephane Israel gets on and stumbles his way through english with that accent
L141[06:26:19] <Althego> who is that
L142[06:28:01] <Althego> spacex launch is not that interesting this time as it is in expendable mode
L143[06:28:17] <KrazyKrl> aside from the, ya know, going to space thing.
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L145[06:31:17] <Althego> still, they better make this work for the military payload
L146[06:36:39] <Bllaank> Oh, is it military?
L147[06:36:43] <Althego> gps
L148[06:41:21] <Bllaank> like confidential or not?
L149[06:41:46] <Gasher[work]> as always, both?
L150[06:45:12] <Rokker> Bllaank: its GPS so their shouldnt be a video cut after fairing sep
L151[06:45:41] <Rokker> Althego: Stephane Israel is the CEO of Arianespace and is accent is nothing short of offensive
L152[06:49:14] <Rokker> Althego: if there was a language police he would be arrested
L153[06:49:16] <Rokker> https://youtu.be/hgD4veH9SaY
L154[06:49:16] <kmath> YouTube - Stephane Israel - Future Investment Initiative #FII2017
L155[06:49:41] <Althego> not so bad
L156[06:50:16] <Rokker> Althego: give it 10 seconds, it gets worse
L157[06:50:32] <Rokker> he tries for 10 seconds and then it all falls to crap
L158[06:52:17] <Fluburtur> time to go biking a bit
L159[06:55:10] <Althego> what, you choose the bike to go over and kill rokker?
L160[06:55:57] <Rokker> I even know frenchmen who had his accent
L161[06:56:10] <Rokker> like loitho wherever he went.
L162[06:59:43] <Rokker> crap
L163[06:59:47] <Rokker> france delayed
L164[06:59:57] <Rokker> it's not 5 launches in a 26 hour period
L165[06:59:59] <Rokker> now*
L166[07:00:15] <Bllaank> I'm not sure why people even try to hide sat orbits. It's not that hard to figure out where an orbit goes.
L167[07:00:48] <Bllaank> And right after that satalite launches there is this mysterious unidentified sattellite in an orbit where nothing was before. Gee, I wonder what it could be.
L168[07:01:50] <Bllaank> Any military launch is typically posted on an ameture satellite spotter forum 48 hours later with it's exact orbit.
L169[07:02:03] <Rokker> it's not hiding the orbit
L170[07:02:19] <Bllaank> Hiding what the sat looks like?
L171[07:02:37] <Rokker> that's a big part of it yes
L172[07:02:47] <Rokker> avoid showing the satellite even accidentally
L173[07:02:53] <Bllaank> fair enough.
L174[07:03:15] <Bllaank> What kind of resolution do ground based telescopes have on sats in oribt?
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L176[07:04:07] <Rokker> not very
L177[07:05:00] <Rokker> Bllaank: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/aU221Hdk/spy-satellites.jpg
L178[07:06:05] <Bllaank> 10-20 cm range?
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L180[07:06:35] <Bllaank> That scale can't be right.
L181[07:06:44] <Bllaank> The entire sat is 5 inches across.
L182[07:06:58] <Bllaank> 1" is inch. 1' is foot
L183[07:07:52] <Rokker> I'm thinking its foot
L184[07:08:01] <Bllaank> That would be approximately correct scale.
L185[07:08:16] <Bllaank> So 4 cm per pixel abouts.
L186[07:08:36] <Bllaank> Also wonder what was looking at the sats. Like what class viewer.
L187[07:09:12] <Rokker> or
L188[07:09:22] <Rokker> it could be seconds?
L189[07:09:38] <Bllaank> arcseconds?
L190[07:09:51] <Rokker> aye
L191[07:10:05] <suclearnub> afternoon.
L192[07:10:08] <Rokker> that would make sense for a telescope like this
L193[07:10:28] <Bllaank> What telescope took those?
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L195[07:13:39] <Althego> less than an hour
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L198[07:14:49] <Rokker> Bllaank: all he lists is a 10 inch telescope on a tracking mount
L199[07:14:58] <Bllaank> wow, that's tiny.
L200[07:15:09] <Bllaank> I expect a good one could get some nice images of sats then.
L201[07:15:11] <Rokker> Althego: the frenchies might have pushed back their launch :(
L202[07:15:31] <Rokker> idk
L203[07:15:38] <Althego> good, it is now in watchable time
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L205[07:15:48] <Rokker> it could come down to the tracking software Bllaank
L206[07:16:12] <Althego> oh wait, the delta was unwatchabkle
L207[07:16:17] <Fluburtur> as expected, biking doesnt make my back feel any better
L208[07:16:20] <Bllaank> oh, delta isn't broadcast?
L209[07:16:41] <Althego> it is unwatchable because it is 3 in the morning
L210[07:17:09] <Rokker> Bllaank: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/uQ9gBvlr/lac5-06-07-25lr.jpg
L211[07:17:27] <Fluburtur> I should cook more rockets
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L213[07:17:32] <Rokker> Bllaank: the only broadcast I'm not sure about is india
L214[07:17:39] <Althego> what is that, wild flock of satellites?
L215[07:17:40] <Rokker> everyone else is streaming
L216[07:17:54] <Rokker> its just one satellite
L217[07:18:30] <Malachite> what a time to be alive, 4 rocket launches today
L218[07:18:52] <Rokker> Malachite: 3
L219[07:19:00] <Rokker> france is being dumb
L220[07:19:10] <Althego> now imagine a time when it is as normal as airplane takeoffs
L221[07:19:37] <Rokker> Malachite: its still 5 in a 26-27 hour period tho
L222[07:20:52] <Rokker> Bllaank: http://www.tracking-station.de/images/images.html
L223[07:22:01] <Rokker> Bllaank: this is how high tech you need to get for those pictures alone http://www.tracking-station.de/ts/station.html
L224[07:23:06] <Bllaank> Not amature but not top of the line, either.
L225[07:23:25] <Bllaank> I expect the US or china or russia have pretty darn good photos of spy sats.
L226[07:23:27] <Rokker> SpaceX launch has been delayed to 9:34
L227[07:23:30] <Rokker> est
L228[07:23:44] <JVFoxy> planet even have enough fuel to sustain 5 rocket launches a day, for a whole year?
L229[07:23:50] <Rokker> I doubt they are amazing
L230[07:23:59] <Rokker> rockets dont use much fuel
L231[07:24:06] <Rokker> especially not hydrolox
L232[07:24:21] <Rokker> pretty renewable
L233[07:25:14] <Rokker> Bllaank: it's definitely seconds https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mmUo6DdU/ralf-keyhole.jpg
L234[07:25:20] <Althego> stream shows within an hour
L235[07:25:26] <JVFoxy> though there is also the hardware to consider... trying to turn around a spacex falcon in a day for another relaunch? 24 hours for rocket to go from landing to launch.. ouch
L236[07:25:32] <Rokker> Althego: ok and?
L237[07:25:43] <Rokker> I'm telling you it's been delayed until 9:34
L238[07:26:06] <Althego> so they dont know when their own launch is lol
L239[07:26:09] <Rokker> New Shepard will launch in 1 hour 4 minutes
L240[07:26:19] <Rokker> SpaceX 4 minutes later
L241[07:26:23] <Althego> haha it has to be at the same time :)
L242[07:26:30] <Rokker> Althego: the change just happened
L243[07:26:32] <Althego> dual streaming again
L244[07:26:42] <Althego> yes and the stream tiem changed too
L245[07:26:44] <Althego> but to 24
L246[07:26:47] <Althego> probably typo
L247[07:27:09] <Althego> usually they set the stream time to the launch time, and then start earlier
L248[07:29:19] <Althego> the blue origin stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E-3Bk2wpxo
L249[07:29:19] <kmath> YouTube - Blue Origin NS-10 Live Webcast
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L251[07:34:26] <transitbiker> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRRHk93lSa8&list=PLAd3NF1qMjHPRKQLa8fOB4fztKJm9CV3w&index=22
L252[07:34:26] <kmath> YouTube - Kevin MacLeod ~ Sneaky Adventure
L253[07:34:37] <transitbiker> may sound familiar
L254[07:34:46] <Althego> hehe
L255[07:35:30] <Althego> currently listening to the mission control music :)
L256[07:35:44] <Althego> except for the main title all are free music
L257[07:36:04] <Althego> they could have hired somebody to make music already
L258[07:36:24] <Althego> but at this point these tunes are part of the game, so i wouldnt like to change them
L259[07:36:30] <Bllaank> yeah
L260[07:36:50] <transitbiker> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_J5KvhYPNg&index=32&list=PLAd3NF1qMjHPRKQLa8fOB4fztKJm9CV3w
L261[07:36:50] <kmath> YouTube - Kevin MacLeod ~ Arcadia
L262[07:36:57] <Althego> still the best https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-QSux_LU2U
L263[07:36:57] <kmath> YouTube - Kerbal Space Program - Main Theme: 8-bit Style
L264[07:37:01] <transitbiker> may also sound familiar
L265[07:37:16] <Althego> yes you can hear these in random youtube videos
L266[07:37:18] <Bllaank> SOUNDS LIKE SPACE TO ME
L267[07:37:24] <Althego> and then it confuses you for a second
L268[07:37:30] <transitbiker> :D
L269[07:39:55] <Althego> at least finally virgin galactic is making progress too. such a shame that they took so long
L270[07:41:06] <UmbralRaptor> You could fit basically the entire X-15 program between the X-Prize win and the present >_>
L271[07:42:00] <Althego> a moon race too
L272[07:42:01] <Bllaank> yeah
L273[07:42:10] <Bllaank> They did have a guy die during testing spaceship 2, you know.
L274[07:42:16] <Althego> i know
L275[07:42:21] <Bllaank> That kinda put things on hold for a bit.
L276[07:42:26] <UmbralRaptor> s/a guy/four guys/
L277[07:42:30] <Althego> but even before that they didnt progress at high speed
L278[07:42:36] <Bllaank> Ah, the ground testing.
L279[07:42:43] <Althego> yes soem died in engine explosions during ground testing
L280[07:42:50] <Bllaank> Well is Burt Rutan even in on this project?
L281[07:42:52] <Bllaank> I think he retired.
L282[07:42:57] <Althego> one died because of the activation of the feathring mechanism
L283[07:43:13] <Bllaank> I thought that was the death during bailout.
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L286[07:46:10] <Althego> i dont remember bailout
L287[07:47:08] <Althego> aha, the aircraft disintegrated around the siebold, so he just needed to unstrap from the seat
L288[07:48:22] <Althego> otherwise it would have been impossible since at that altitude there is only a few seconds of consciousness
L289[07:48:35] <Althego> in case of a decompression
L290[07:53:38] <Rokker> well
L291[07:53:49] <Rokker> it's starting to look bad for SpaceX too
L292[07:54:16] <Althego> scott said the delta iv also has around 20% chancwe
L293[07:54:35] <Rokker> delta iv prolly wont launch
L294[07:54:49] <Rokker> 5 launch Tuesday may well become 1 launch tuesday
L295[07:54:53] <Rokker> and 4 launch wednesday
L296[07:55:09] <Althego> suborbital tuesday :)
L297[07:55:23] <Althego> military wednesday?
L298[07:58:26] <Rokker> military midweek?
L299[08:00:50] <Althego> blue origin stream did not start as planned
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L301[08:01:36] <Bllaank> so ... nobody is launching today.
L302[08:01:40] <Bllaank> woo
L303[08:01:50] <Althego> you are not going to space today :)
L304[08:04:18] <JVFoxy> well then..
L305[08:04:23] <Althego> https://xkcd.com/1133/
L306[08:04:30] <JVFoxy> if this were a monday... that be excusable
L307[08:04:51] <Althego> ptach tuesday
L308[08:05:03] <Althego> but not even that
L309[08:06:08] <Althego> blue origin: We are scrubbing today’s #NewShepard launch due to a ground infrastructure issue. The vehicle is in good standing. Stand by for updates as we see what weather looks like for tomorrow #NS10
L310[08:06:55] <JVFoxy> flying space car that has only ever gone to another world... well then
L311[08:07:29] <Althego> the quote is at the bottom
L312[08:07:30] <JVFoxy> infrastructure issue huh?
L313[08:07:49] <Althego> spacex seems to be still trying
L314[08:08:01] <Althego> at least a tweet 2 minutes ago said so
L315[08:09:43] <Rokker> EVERY SINGLE DAMN LAUNCH TODAY
L316[08:09:46] <Rokker> COME ON
L317[08:09:54] <Althego> hehe
L318[08:09:56] <Rokker> SpaceX hasnt cancelled yet but it will soon
L319[08:10:07] <Rokker> delta iv didnt have good chances
L320[08:12:52] <Rokker> tomorrow is my birthday, I dont have time to watch 5 launches god dammit
L321[08:12:58] <Althego> hehe
L322[08:13:05] <Althego> yes you have, just cancel the party :)
L323[08:14:32] <Bllaank> Well the cancellation stream is starting.
L324[08:14:35] <Bllaank> hahhaha
L325[08:14:36] <Althego> hehe
L326[08:14:47] <Althego> spacex fm (tm by scott)
L327[08:14:52] <Bllaank> oh, my game download is scrweing up buffering.
L328[08:15:13] <Bllaank> 10 MB/s is saturating my internet.
L329[08:15:18] <Bllaank> can't stream during this.
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L331[08:17:42] <Bllaank> spacex stream is dying.
L332[08:18:09] <Bllaank> 144p and buffering
L333[08:20:12] <Bllaank> blue origin 20 min late. Spacex stream ded
L334[08:20:28] <Althego> hehe, it is like when i was watching the second mer landing on an 56k modem, and it was a tiny stamp sized video stream sometimes lagging for seconds
L335[08:20:56] <Althego> but the stream does soem soem problem
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L337[08:21:12] <Bllaank> Oh my god, what is with this picture
L338[08:21:21] <Althego> 480p for me
L339[08:21:26] <Althego> downscaled itself
L340[08:21:33] <Bllaank> my auto picked 720.
L341[08:21:39] <Rokker> 1080
L342[08:21:48] <Althego> maybe it got better now
L343[08:21:55] <Althego> hehe no
L344[08:22:09] <Althego> why do they get random engineers on camera?
L345[08:22:15] <Althego> they started with this last time
L346[08:22:23] <Althego> at least i noticed it then
L347[08:23:32] <Bllaank> no technical webcast?
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L351[08:27:40] <Rokker> there it is
L352[08:27:48] <Althego> stopped at 7 minutes?
L353[08:27:52] <Bllaank> Ooooh, what if Blue Origin is delaying their test to overlap spacex's?
L354[08:27:57] <Rokker> Althego: started what last time
L355[08:28:14] <Bllaank> That was an abort, not a hold.
L356[08:28:28] <Althego> they gave up on launching today
L357[08:28:35] <Bllaank> stopped at 7, reset to 15.
L358[08:28:39] <Bllaank> full abort?
L359[08:28:57] <Bllaank> They just fully fueled it. I guess it doesn't cost that much to fill and drain.
L360[08:29:13] <Althego> https://twitter.com/blueorigin/status/1075026214450954241
L361[08:29:13] <kmath> <✔blueorigin> We are scrubbing today’s #NewShepard launch due to a ground infrastructure issue. The vehicle is in good standing.… https://t.co/DXL2jvPDpL
L362[08:29:18] <KrazyKrl> full fuel costs ~$150,000 on a ~$60,000,000 vehicle.
L363[08:29:49] <Bllaank> wow, 2 for 2 scrubbed.
L364[08:29:58] <Althego> hehe and scrub
L365[08:30:00] <Bllaank> Well they can fuel then drain the falcon 9.
L366[08:30:13] <Bllaank> So they lose some LOX to boiloff, but otherwise recover most of it.
L367[08:31:07] <Althego> but jeb was not killed violently :)
L368[08:31:25] <Bllaank> damn
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L370[08:31:28] <Bllaank> 2 for 2
L371[08:31:42] <Bllaank> Rocket Tuesday was not to be.
L372[08:31:51] <Althego> and the nrol on the delta iv heavy is probably not launching because of the weather
L373[08:32:02] <Bllaank> I wanna see a scott video on rocket tuesday explaining why all 5 launches got scrubbed.
L374[08:32:11] <Althego> hehe
L375[08:32:26] <Althego> you cant beat the moldy mouse food excuse :)
L376[08:36:14] <Fluburtur> ;kmath convert 13/7 in percents
L377[08:36:27] <Fluburtur> I forgot how the bot works uh
L378[08:37:46] <Althego> 185.714285714285714286%
L379[08:37:54] <Fluburtur> that is not what I want
L380[08:38:03] <Fluburtur> I want proportions for rocket candy mix
L381[08:38:16] <Fluburtur> I cant put 185% of potassium nitrate in it
L382[08:38:22] <Althego> hehe
L383[08:38:35] <Althego> then it is 13/20 and 7/20
L384[08:38:45] <Truga> 13/7 is 65% 35%
L385[08:38:45] <Fluburtur> it should be like 60/40 but wikipedia is dumb
L386[08:38:56] <Althego> 65% and 35%
L387[08:39:02] <Fluburtur> uh thats not right
L388[08:39:16] <Fluburtur> I had mixed some with that ratio and it wasnt using all the potassium
L389[08:40:03] <Althego> heh how should this high g contract work
L390[08:40:18] <Althego> why do the tourist expect high g in zero g when in orbit?
L391[08:40:29] <Althego> i could imagine during launch or reentry
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L393[08:42:19] <Draconiator> Does anyone know Kevin Macleod's music enough to tell what track is in the background of this video? I can't find it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q93v81ZjlIQ
L394[08:42:20] <kmath> YouTube - New Info Completely Changes Titanic Story Look Closer
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L399[08:51:24] <Fluburtur> damn, peoples on rocketry forums and subreddits are really acting like some words I cant say here
L400[08:52:20] <Althego> hehe
L401[08:52:29] <Althego> they wanted their circuses and nothing happened?
L402[08:52:54] <Fluburtur> instead of giving usefull tips to peoples about buildign their own engines they are like "buy premade ones and learn" but they never teach
L403[08:53:16] <Fluburtur> so of course peoples will freestyle their rockets if they cant give good answers besides "you are doing it wrong"
L404[08:53:48] <Althego> hehe
L405[08:53:59] <Althego> rt.m id the rockets
L406[08:54:06] <Althego> *of
L407[08:54:52] <Fluburtur> look at this https://www.reddit.com/r/rocketry/comments/6eyzoy/sugar_kno3_rockets_not_generating_any_thrust/
L408[08:55:00] <Fluburtur> instead of being nice they act like this
L409[08:55:11] <Fluburtur> and it is like that on every forum I have seen
L410[09:03:19] <transitbiker> thats how it is with many hobby communities
L411[09:03:41] <transitbiker> gets very petty & pedantic sometimes
L412[09:03:44] <Fluburtur> not rc stuff heh
L413[09:04:07] <Fluburtur> when someone comes to me to get help im like "ok this is what is wrong and here is how to improve it"
L414[09:05:07] <Fluburtur> gets a bit tiring explaing the same things over and over again to dozen of peoples but I still do it
L415[09:05:31] <Fluburtur> some of them give up and I dont ever see them again but others make amazing things
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L417[09:44:53] <Mat2ch> How sad, the launch was moved to tomorrow
L418[09:45:00] <Althego> which one
L419[09:45:37] <Mat2ch> SpaceX
L420[09:45:48] <Althego> yes that was an hour ago
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L422[09:46:09] <Mat2ch> I know, still sad :P
L423[09:46:31] <Althego> we can still have (european) launch wednesday
L424[09:47:08] <Mat2ch> but tomorrow I'll be at a customers office and can't watch it :(
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L426[09:47:51] <Althego> do like reds rhetoric: have to be on holiday because somebody is wrong on the internet
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L429[09:51:13] <JVFoxy> wonder what the man will have to say regarding these launch holds
L430[09:51:34] <Althego> the manley scott? :)
L431[09:52:18] <JVFoxy> ya.. mostly since he made that video earlier on
L432[09:52:28] <Althego> for perfection the indian and nrol launches should be postponed too
L433[09:53:01] <JVFoxy> hmmm... roll critical failure
L434[09:53:09] <Althego> what is that
L435[09:55:38] <JVFoxy> eh was thinking tabletop... roll 1's.. critical failure.. everything goes bad -shrug
L436[09:56:02] <JVFoxy> shoot an arrow, hit yourself in the face instead
L437[09:56:24] <Althego> i took an arrow in the knee :)
L438[09:57:40] <JVFoxy> meh.. knees..
L439[09:57:50] <JVFoxy> still good.. got another
L440[09:58:02] <JVFoxy> arrow to the head on the ohter hand..
L441[09:58:12] <Althego> bee's knees
L442[09:59:04] <JVFoxy> http://i.imgur.com/Y59rq.jpg
L443[09:59:30] <JVFoxy> or htis unlucky chap.. https://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/31/30535/JDDkcIZ.jpg
L444[09:59:43] <Althego> lol
L445[10:02:59] <JVFoxy> arrow to the knee? peh... need something new: http://www.laughaton.com/uploads/images/211-Arrow-to-the-knee.jpg
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L447[10:03:15] <JVFoxy> anyways....
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L451[10:13:15] <Althego> what is the actual g force tolerance of tourists?
L452[10:19:17] <JVFoxy> I've had to pet it around 8-9gs..
L453[10:19:49] <hoglahoo> I think there are three seperate tolerances - one for staying alive, one for staying conscious, and one to remain willing to fulfil payment of contract
L454[10:19:50] <Althego> heh, now 5 of those would need a huge thruster. this contract is not possible, especially it has to be done in orbit
L455[10:19:54] <JVFoxy> there is a bit of having to sustain it for a moment.. might be a little less?
L456[10:19:56] <Althego> with 30 parts :)
L457[10:20:16] <Althego> maybe if i had the mainsail, but even then
L458[10:20:32] <JVFoxy> suborbital high gee tourist contract?
L459[10:20:38] <Althego> orbital
L460[10:20:43] <JVFoxy> had one of those early on.. stupid pain in the neck
L461[10:20:51] <Althego> but it is 3 stars
L462[10:20:59] <Althego> and more than 50k
L463[10:21:03] <JVFoxy> orbital high gee.. oh great
L464[10:21:17] <Althego> supposedly rotational gs are not counted
L465[10:21:52] <JVFoxy> eh.. rotational does nothing... game doesn't register it because center of mass doesn't move
L466[10:22:43] <Althego> but it measures it
L467[10:22:56] <Althego> just doesnt work for the contract
L468[10:22:59] <Althego> really stupid
L469[10:23:33] <JVFoxy> I've put g meter on an arm... from a big mass... it didn't really read anything
L470[10:23:38] <JVFoxy> after spinning things up
L471[10:25:00] <JVFoxy> but ya... having a rotational thing with cabins on the ends.. spin it up fast enough, get high g's, (if somewhat dizzy kerbals)..
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L475[11:22:56] <transitbiker> Minecraft Livestream NOW! Tune in here: https://youtu.be/CW0aUHzpK8o
L476[11:22:56] <kmath> YouTube - Empire Minecraft Livestream (12/28/2018)
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L485[12:06:22] <Althego> had to wait for the official video for a while https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8T9mVkGh3s
L486[12:06:22] <kmath> YouTube - Virgin Galactic In Space For The First Time
L487[12:06:43] <Althego> i forgot about it, because it took them days
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L489[12:26:17] <hoglahoo> what makes it official - is there a "this is it!" sign when one reaches space?
L490[12:26:28] <Althego> no, this is on their channel
L491[12:30:03] <suclearnub> hoglahoo, this starts playing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X12RW3NkiYg
L492[12:30:04] <kmath> YouTube - Kevin MacLeod ~ Frost Waltz
L493[12:30:24] <hoglahoo> that better be the ksp ambient music
L494[12:30:36] <hoglahoo> (I cant listen right now)
L495[12:31:03] <suclearnub> yes it is!
L496[12:31:17] <hoglahoo> https://i.imgur.com/xFNn701.gif
L497[12:31:17] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/xFNn701.gifv
L498[12:31:27] <hoglahoo> thank you, kmath. very helpful
L499[12:32:59] <suclearnub> !mission
L500[12:33:04] <Althego> hahaha
L501[12:33:05] <suclearnub> ah, it's still gone.
L502[12:33:07] <Althego> not anymore
L503[12:33:09] <suclearnub> :(
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L505[12:33:18] <suclearnub> I had so much fun with it
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L507[12:35:18] *** GlassFragments is now known as GlassYuri
L508[12:37:43] <GlassYuri> how early am I realistically able to catch a train while on seven hours of jet lag in a country where I've never been before and only speak trace amounts of the language
L509[12:38:12] <suclearnub> Google translate
L510[12:38:24] <GlassYuri> the best alarm clock there is
L511[12:38:51] <GlassYuri> actually, google is not available in said country
L512[12:39:55] <suclearnub> are you in north korea?
L513[12:40:01] <suclearnub> oh, china?
L514[12:40:14] <Althego> but i though you could read some chinese already
L515[12:41:22] <GlassYuri> yes, but even digitally where you can just look up things easily I still suck too hard to actually understand most writing
L516[12:41:58] <GlassYuri> where in the world are firefighters called 'bombers' https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0250/0840/files/work_work_x900.jpg
L517[12:42:31] <Althego> strange
L518[12:42:44] <Althego> but apparently english speaking
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L520[12:43:29] <GlassYuri> Althego, where did you determine that
L521[12:43:52] <Althego> why would you have an english text on?
L522[12:43:52] <the_emerald> china's an interesting place to say the least.
L523[12:45:10] <the_emerald> i can't wait to go back home...
L524[12:45:31] <Althego> then dont :)
L525[12:45:49] <the_emerald> Semester ends in 4 days
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L527[12:46:23] <GlassYuri> I'm actually flying home on saturday
L528[12:46:37] <GlassYuri> and then two weeks later back to japan very indirectly
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L530[12:47:16] <suclearnub> flying home to Hong Kong on the 23rd
L531[12:47:33] <Althego> which is of course not china
L532[12:47:35] <suclearnub> which is a welcoming change in weather.
L533[12:47:39] <Althego> or it is, depending who you ask :)
L534[12:47:43] <suclearnub> lol
L535[12:48:05] <GlassYuri> namely starting from my hometown in germany, zurich, moscow, shanghai, hangzhou, nanjing, suzhou, shanghai, hong kong, tokyo
L536[12:48:14] <suclearnub> hong kong!
L537[12:48:22] <GlassYuri> yes, there is a pointless loop in there just because I can
L538[12:48:24] <Bllaank> Did anything launch?
L539[12:48:35] <Althego> no
L540[12:48:40] <Althego> and probably will not
L541[12:48:43] <Bllaank> RIP rocket tuesday
L542[12:49:09] <Althego> supposedly 70% chance for the nrol launch but 20% because of weather
L543[12:49:14] <Althego> eh
L544[12:49:18] <Althego> 7 hours not 70%
L545[12:50:36] <suclearnub> I remember being on this chat when the falcon 9 RUD'd midair
L546[12:50:37] <suclearnub> fun times
L547[12:50:44] <Bllaank> F
L548[12:51:08] <suclearnub> that was many many years ago...
L549[12:51:16] <Althego> lol no
L550[12:51:24] <suclearnub> like last year?
L551[12:51:25] <Althego> the first mer landing, now that was meny years ago
L552[12:51:26] <suclearnub> was it?
L553[12:51:44] <Althego> and sadly it seems now both are dead
L554[12:52:13] <suclearnub> it was this one https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/science-environment-33305389/spacex-explodes-and-disintegrates-after-launch
L555[12:52:24] <suclearnub> maybe it was that one
L556[12:52:25] <suclearnub> idk
L557[12:52:40] <Althego> yes this
L558[12:52:49] <Althego> i remember thgis, watched live
L559[12:53:51] <GlassYuri> suclearnub, I timed the flight from hong kong to tokyo to arrive right when the holidays are over. if there is any delay I can walk into school and say "sorry my plane was late"
L560[12:54:11] <suclearnub> lol
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L562[12:54:23] <Althego> i timed my flights to be nonexistent
L563[12:55:12] <suclearnub> damn that was in 2015?
L564[12:55:22] <suclearnub> I must be a little child back then.
L565[12:55:45] <GlassYuri> would probably need at least two hours of delay to ensure I will actually be late for school
L566[12:56:33] <Althego> that can happen easily in a chain of flights
L567[12:56:40] <suclearnub> gtg
L568[12:56:47] <suclearnub> oh and remember, space is fake!
L569[12:57:22] <Althego> once one of my colleagues took more than 24 hours to return home from an 1.5 hour flight
L570[12:57:59] <GlassYuri> wait I can look online to see how the flight performed recently
L571[12:59:31] <GlassYuri> https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HKE624 does not look good for delay ;(
L572[13:18:39] <GlassYuri> ...why the heck am I still awake
L573[13:23:38] <Fluburtur> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dut8BjYUwAAW-yB.jpg
L574[13:23:58] <Althego> hehe
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L576[13:28:43] <GlassYuri> well if I consistently stay up beyond 5AM this week I will at least not risk oversleeping and missing my flight, due to absence of sleep altogether
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L584[14:02:10] <GlassYuri> "Generally speaking, she is very cute." what kind of sentence is this (found in chinese flashcard deck I'm using)
L585[14:03:26] <hoglahoo> It's a complete sentence
L586[14:04:07] <GlassYuri> yeah but why would you use "generally speaking" when describing the appearance of a person
L587[14:04:13] <hoglahoo> It could be literally construed to mean that she is very cute as she speaks generally
L588[14:04:18] <hoglahoo> :)
L589[14:04:56] <GlassYuri> 'generally speaking, he is not covered in blood (with the specific exception of the inside of the skin)'
L590[14:05:33] <hoglahoo> is that on another flashcard
L591[14:05:51] <GlassYuri> no but given this deck it would not be too far out of place
L592[14:06:25] <GlassYuri> most of the sentences are normal really, but there are a few weird once
L593[14:07:24] <UmbralRaptor> generally speaking, he does not stab people
L594[14:08:10] <GlassYuri> well that would remove blood from the inside of the skin
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L596[14:08:49] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and daughters of Kerbin: You can't get blood from a Moon rock.
L597[14:09:41] <suclearnub> GlassYuri, what does it say in chinese?
L598[14:09:44] <suclearnub> now im curious
L599[14:10:17] <GlassYuri> great timing Scolar_Visari, we were just talking about generally speaking not being covered in blood (except for the inside surface of the skin)
L600[14:11:08] <Scolar_Visari> GlassYuri: Well, now that you mention it, I'm routinely covered in the blood and offal of my slain enemies.
L601[14:11:47] <GlassYuri> suclearnub, 总的来说,她很可爱 I think
L602[14:11:49] <Scolar_Visari> This, as you might imagine, is rather off putting.
L603[14:12:36] <GlassYuri> there's a reason ranged weapons were invented
L604[14:13:09] <Scolar_Visari> GlassYuri: YOU try killing an Ork or Space Marine with a standard issue lasgun!
L605[14:13:12] <suclearnub> GlassYuri, that sentence is more like "Overall, she's very cute"
L606[14:13:14] <suclearnub> not "in general"
L607[14:13:18] <GlassYuri> allows for a safety distance that prevents infection by blood explosion
L608[14:13:31] <suclearnub> "All things considered" would be the best idiomatic translation.
L609[14:13:52] <GlassYuri> suclearnub, not surprised that the translation is off, thanks for the correction
L610[14:14:11] <Scolar_Visari> I mean, have you SEEN those Adeptus Astartes armor saves!?
L611[14:14:19] <suclearnub> No worries, cheers
L612[14:14:34] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q
L613[14:14:34] <kmath> YouTube - Nuke the entire site fom orbit
L614[14:15:57] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: Nukes require considerably more paper work and permits than I care to fill out.
L615[14:17:24] <UmbralRaptor> Scolar_Visari: fine, I'll use the Gauss gun.
L616[14:17:27] <GlassYuri> just put a suppressor on your launchers and nobody will notice
L617[14:17:41] <Scolar_Visari> A Standard Astra Militarum WMD-40 Form requires approval from no less than a fleet admiral and present military governor, and the physical paperwork is five thousand pages long for a just a single strategic yield device.
L618[14:18:06] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: Ambassador Lando might aprove?
L619[14:18:16] <GlassYuri> https://wearethemighty-img.rbl.ms/simage/https%3A%2F%2Fassets.rbl.ms%2F17312378%2F980x.jpg/2000%2C2000/yGt9tlVOPDXqObSn/img.jpg
L620[14:18:42] <Althego> hehe
L621[14:19:04] <Althego> remember the form you had to fill in to get the repairman to work in the longest journey?
L622[14:19:06] <suclearnub> oh hey raptor
L623[14:19:15] * UmbralRaptor waves at suclearnub
L624[14:19:43] <Althego> Corporate Labor Union, Form #09042: Short-Term Tactical Suspension of Union Members Benefits.
L625[14:19:58] <Althego> actually it wasnt the one, because it was sunday, so you needed the -A version or something
L626[14:20:12] <GlassYuri> 'tactical suspension'
L627[14:20:37] <Althego> of course they couldnt repair the door even after this, so you had to do it
L628[14:21:25] <Althego> Form #09042-A: Short-Term Tactical Suspension of Union Members Benefits, Public Holiday Addendum.
L629[14:21:34] <Althego> do you know what you have just done? now we have to work!
L630[14:23:16] <Scolar_Visari> Paper work is bestest work.
L631[14:24:18] <GlassYuri> paperwork is inherently necessary as it helps absorb the blood of your slain enemies
L632[14:24:28] <Althego> hehe
L633[14:24:57] <Althego> one of my coworkers said, we need paperwork so when things crumble you can fall on soft paper
L634[14:25:17] <Althego> figuratively
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L636[14:26:26] * Scolar_Visari ponders if Space Engine v .990 will release on Christmas Day.
L637[14:27:08] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptop: https://phys.org/news/2018-12-nasa-reveals-saturn-worst-case-scenario.html
L638[14:27:28] <Scolar_Visari> It's a pity we weren't around to see the formation of Saturn's rings.
L639[14:31:20] <UmbralRaptor> oh no
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L641[14:37:31] <Althego> apparently the mission control music is ksp original
L642[14:38:01] <Althego> and it lacks something when the grunts of the kerbal are not in the background
L643[14:46:04] <Scolar_Visari> Lacks what? A powered traverse? A reverse gear? Machine guns?
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L675[18:52:01] <Neal> my computer JUST got the windows october update
L676[18:52:05] <Neal> took forever to install
L677[18:53:34] <UmbralRaptor> uh
L678[18:57:11] <darsie> Did you make that update, or was it forced on you?
L679[19:00:48] <Neal> just clicked "update and shutdown"
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L681[19:09:24] <suclearnub> microsoft can pry win 7 from my cold dead hands.
L682[19:09:31] <suclearnub> (this is not an invitation.)
L683[19:09:54] <darsie> They don't charge for it, then, right?
L684[19:16:39] <Neal> now they do
L685[19:17:19] <Neal> the only time you could get win10 for free was if you upgraded from an older windows version, within a year from the win10 release date
L686[19:19:26] <KrazyKrl> If it's free, you're the product being sold.
L687[19:20:00] <KrazyKrl> And i keep hearing a bunch of dumb stuff about win10 to even consider getting it.
L688[19:21:13] <KrazyKrl> things like "windows randomly disabled my mic/headset/misc setting after an update" or the fact that you need to do a bunch of hacky stuff like regedit to disable user data collection (which may get reenabled after updates)
L689[19:29:12] <Neal> KrazyKrl, linux??
L690[19:30:11] <Neal> gnu is free as in freedom
L691[19:38:58] * UmbralRaptor pokes 東方 with a stick. https://photos.app.goo.gl/aYUkw7ucJQDKvVp6A
L692[19:39:28] <UmbralRaptor> KrazyKrl: if they can find a way to monetize you, you're the product.
L693[19:41:36] <Neal> UmbralRaptor, wowza, wrong text encoding?
L694[19:43:25] <UmbralRaptor> Neal: yeah, SHIFT-JIS I think.
L695[19:48:03] <darsie> Neal: So M$ can upgrade Win 7 to 10 without user consent and charge them for it?
L696[19:48:10] <Neal> no?
L697[19:48:44] <darsie> Ohh, <suclearnub> just sayd "microsoft can pry win 7 from my cold dead hands." Didn't mention upgrade.
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L703[21:12:12] <Ezko> darsie: < and > aren't part of the nick and you should try typing for example "sucl" and pressing tab
L704[21:12:39] <darsie> ik
L705[21:12:54] <darsie> Also I didn't mean to ping suclearnub.
L706[21:12:57] <darsie> gn
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L710[21:30:21] <Kalpa> UmbralRaptor: Looks like a problem with the pist00.wav
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L714[22:24:04] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think that was the point he was trying to make :p
L715[22:59:52] <UmbralRaptor> So, they don't run on my machine, and even if they did…
L716[23:00:05] * UmbralRaptor gestures at the mojibake.
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L718[23:10:32] <Althego> we can look forward to launch wednesday now
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