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L1[00:03:42] <Althego> that is like 1000 years in internet time
L2[00:04:22] <UmbralRaptop> Anyway, I think the paper is open access?
L3[00:05:17] <UmbralRaptop> Or not
L4[00:05:23] * UmbralRaptop ? Nature
L5[00:06:31] <UmbralRaptop> http://sci-hub.tw/downloads/8814/10.1038@s41586-018-0677-y.pdf
L6[00:06:41] <UmbralRaptop> ^paper
L7[00:08:01] <Althego> " We used a multi-"
L8[00:08:01] <Althego> dimensional generalized Lomb–Scargle scheme assuming a white-noise
L9[00:08:04] <Althego> model to explore combinations of periods to fit the data.
L10[00:08:06] <Althego> "
L11[00:08:09] <Althego> sounds cool
L12[00:09:39] <UmbralRaptop> Lomb-Scargle is basically like Fourier analysis to find periodic signals in the radial velocity measurements
L13[00:10:17] <UmbralRaptop> The difference being that you can have your data be irregularly spaced in time
L14[00:10:33] <Althego> nice tool
L15[00:20:25] <Eddi|zuHause> what's all the fascination with "superearths"? there's nothing particularly "super" about them, just means they're bigger than earth
L16[00:20:40] <Althego> that is what super means lol
L17[00:21:00] <Althego> we never imagined there is a class of planets like that
L18[00:21:12] <Althego> because our solar system lacks one
L19[00:21:19] <Althego> or maybe not, it can be planet 9
L20[00:21:30] <UmbralRaptop> ^
L21[00:21:45] <Althego> and they seem to be really common
L22[00:22:05] <Althego> poor guys living on those, we have enough problem with getting into sorbit alreadyú
L23[00:22:20] <Eddi|zuHause> that may all be true, but i think it gets mis-associated in the press
L24[00:23:15] <Althego> maybe it wasnt the simplest name they could come up with. at least ndg says naming is simple in astronomy. could have called them big rocks :)
L25[00:24:33] <UmbralRaptop> Anyway, the boundary between what's a super earth and what's a mini neptune is still in progress
L26[00:25:10] <UmbralRaptop> (1.6 earth radii gets thrown around, but that's not a mass)
L27[00:25:21] <Althego> hehe
L28[00:25:33] <Eddi|zuHause> that's just guesswork based on density to determine whether it's a rocky surface or an ice giant?
L29[00:26:20] <UmbralRaptop> IIRC, yes. Kepler radii plus masses via RVs
L30[00:27:12] <Althego> hehe it sounded like the creationist woman in the museum. nah, they dont know that, they are just guessing
L31[00:27:17] * UmbralRaptop glares at the paper for using rainbow plots. Cubehelix, viridis, etc are not hard to find!
L32[00:27:49] <Rokker> 1 MUSEUM
L33[00:27:53] <Althego> eh
L34[00:27:57] <Althego> i forgot about you
L35[00:28:01] <Rokker> 2 creationism sure sounds like religion
L36[00:28:29] <Althego> it was not the point. the point was the dismissive tone
L37[00:28:35] <Eddi|zuHause> we should certainly use the word museum in more random contexts here
L38[00:28:46] <Rokker> museum
L39[00:29:26] <Rokker> I'm starting a 4 part youtube thingy
L40[00:29:30] <Eddi|zuHause> and Rokker could implement a bot that just shouts "MUSEUM" whenever anyone mentions the word museum
L41[00:29:35] <Rokker> where I give a tour of the museum
L42[00:29:59] <Rokker> nah, the fun is in finding out who said museum, shouting it at them, and then asking about said museum
L43[00:31:03] <Eddi|zuHause> we have a pretty decent museum about early and pre-history
L44[00:31:24] <Althego> i visited a helicopter museum once :)
L45[00:31:39] <Rokker> history before history?
L46[00:31:42] <Rokker> sounds absurd
L47[00:31:45] <Rokker> I dont buy it
L48[00:31:53] <Rokker> Althego: oh?
L49[00:32:00] <Rokker> you mean the devils aircraft?
L50[00:32:19] <Althego> hehe
L51[00:32:30] <Rokker> what museum
L52[00:32:31] <Althego> i thoght they already have their own wings
L53[00:32:40] <Althego> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubschraubermuseum_B%C3%BCckeburg
L54[00:32:52] <Eddi|zuHause> did they have Reichsflugscheiben?
L55[00:33:57] <Althego> what is that
L56[00:34:14] <Althego> ah the rumoured nazi ufo
L57[00:34:19] <Althego> no
L58[00:35:57] <Rokker> those aren't real words
L59[00:36:00] <Rokker> you cant fool me
L60[00:38:11] <UmbralRaptop> 8 instruments over almost 8000 days o_O
L61[00:39:19] <UmbralRaptop> Okay, more like 7200 days (20 years O_o)
L62[00:39:37] <Althego> the barnard's star data?
L63[00:39:45] <Rokker> who wants to hear early german helicopter fun facts?
L64[00:39:47] <Althego> git st
L65[00:39:55] <Althego> hehe
L66[00:40:13] <cringe> classic
L67[00:40:32] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm pretty sure helicopters predate germany :p
L68[00:41:12] <Althego> the name is madee of two parts, helico as in spiral and pter as in wing
L69[00:42:02] <Althego> before i saw this in some video i never thought it was like this
L70[00:42:18] <Rokker> yes or no
L71[00:42:43] <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't sound nearly as impressive as combining "lift" and "screw"
L72[00:42:55] <Althego> hub and schrauber
L73[00:43:16] <Rokker> you germans need to chill with your words
L74[00:43:22] <Rokker> you take it too far sometimes
L75[00:43:46] <Althego> always reminds me of the siemens tray lift, it had a hub achse :)
L76[00:44:06] <Eddi|zuHause> you're just jealous of the pragmatic simplicity :p
L77[00:44:49] <Althego> is there some special german name for dna?
L78[00:45:11] <Eddi|zuHause> i've heard the phrase "that's not a word" in english movies, but never in german ones
L79[00:45:19] <Eddi|zuHause> Althego: yes, dns
L80[00:45:20] <Althego> hehe
L81[00:45:39] <Althego> so not really, you just replaced the acid, which is what we did too
L82[00:45:41] <UmbralRaptop> "Kellerspeicherstapelruecksprungadressenzeiger" supposedly means "stack pointer"
L83[00:45:53] <Eddi|zuHause> Althego: you got that backwards
L84[00:46:08] <Eddi|zuHause> Althego: they replaced "Säure" (original) with "acid"
L85[00:46:18] <Althego> hehe
L86[00:46:32] <Althego> accidentally it is also dns in hungarian
L87[00:47:03] <Eddi|zuHause> Rokker: you still waiting for a yes or no?
L88[00:47:29] <Althego> why did you do that
L89[00:47:41] <Rokker> sure
L90[00:47:56] <Althego> you dont need permission to talk about stuff
L91[00:50:01] <Eddi|zuHause> Rokker: has anyone ever told you about metaquestions?
L92[00:53:57] <Rokker> yeah but if nobody is gonna care, why do it Althego
L93[00:54:00] <Rokker> its wanted effort
L94[00:54:03] <Rokker> wasted
L95[00:54:55] <Rokker> I'm off to bed I suppose
L96[00:55:06] <Althego> https://genius.com/Douglas-hofstadter-little-harmonic-labyrinth-annotated
L97[00:55:13] <Althego> because of meta :)
L98[00:56:41] <cringe> i'd like to point out that wanted effort and wasted effort aren't mutually exclusive
L99[00:56:57] <Eddi|zuHause> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Uv5VO1qa9g just generally out of context
L100[00:57:00] <cringe> i'd also like to point out that it is rokker's fault i said that
L101[00:57:22] <Eddi|zuHause> we should make a museum of metaquestions
L102[00:57:53] <Rokker> it's also my fault that you look up the piss levels of the ISS every so often
L103[00:58:03] <cringe> fair
L104[00:58:10] <cringe> tho i haven't had data in days
L105[00:58:12] <cringe> :(
L106[00:58:18] <Althego> what, why
L107[00:58:24] <cringe> no sig
L108[00:59:23] <Rokker> probably the Russians fault
L109[00:59:31] <cringe> classic russians
L110[00:59:52] <cringe> always holding info on urine activities
L111[00:59:58] <cringe> >.>
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L113[01:00:42] <Rokker> oi
L114[01:00:56] <Eddi|zuHause> maybe they need that to refuel the sojus capsule?
L115[01:01:05] <Rokker> that sounds like a reference to something
L116[01:01:09] <Althego> for reaction mass?
L117[01:01:09] <Rokker> a no no topic
L118[01:01:58] <Althego> two iss lajunches today and tomorrow
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L120[01:02:51] <Eddi|zuHause> when the last manned mission failed, there was talk about the crew having to leave before the next crew arrives, because the return pod's fuel was going bad
L121[01:03:15] <Althego> if they didnt get the soyuz rocket working in time
L122[01:03:39] <Althego> seems like they did a really fast job on finding the cause
L123[01:04:04] <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't really paid attention to that
L124[01:04:20] <Althego> altough supposedly now they need to reassemble the boosters on all of the already assembled ones, probably not too many
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L128[02:11:30] <falalilal> the time has come at last to design a manned jool mission.... while my first unmanned jool mission is still underway
L129[02:12:00] <Draconiator> I'm starting to think cringe has this....weird fetish or something...
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L155[05:01:38] <Eddi|zuHause> don't ever question people's fetishes on the internet
L156[05:02:29] <Rolf> if something exists, theres fetish with it.
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L159[05:24:21] <Althego> https://i.redd.it/r0gwho1f4hy11.png
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L161[05:41:51] <Eddi|zuHause> i think the real question there is whether patrick star is pro or anti communist
L162[05:56:10] <JVFoxy> maybe has his own agenda..
L163[05:58:38] <Rolf> or maybe hes getting out of public eye and...
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L165[06:08:26] <sandbox> aliens
L166[06:09:17] <Eddi|zuHause> it's always aliens
L167[06:12:09] <JVFoxy> if we got such a big alien problem, surprised we don't have an immigration office for the planet to deal with them
L168[06:12:34] <Rolf> I know aliens exist
L169[06:12:43] <Rolf> aliens near or on earth? nah
L170[06:13:14] <Rolf> why? even if intellegent life have hard time arising, the universe is very big
L171[06:13:29] <Rolf> but that same argument also says that aliens would have hard time getting here.
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L174[06:36:17] <lordcirth> Surviving Mars is free to try on steam for a day
L175[06:36:26] <lordcirth> It's fun, I'll probably buy
L176[06:38:43] <Eddi|zuHause> i already bought the game and the season pass on release. which might have been a tiny bit over the top
L177[06:40:45] <Althego> hehe
L178[06:41:19] <lordcirth> Also, Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion is free on HumbleBundle
L179[06:41:51] <lordcirth> https://www.humblebundle.com/store/sins-of-a-solar-empire-rebellion
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L182[06:44:58] <Eddi|zuHause> for some reason i can't explain i feel pretty uneasy about humblebundle
L183[06:46:09] <lordcirth> Really? I've never had problems with them
L184[06:46:37] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think it's that
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L190[07:05:40] <kubi> FRIDAY!
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L194[08:23:43] <UmbralRaptop> Bah, a weather forecast that gave the temperature in meV would be awesome https://twitter.com/planet4589/status/1063437077776338946
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L201[08:43:21] <Guest67672> My controls do not work in Vab or sph cannot rotate using lt/rt or delete using b, shortcuts are also not working. Have started new game reinstalled game deleted files nothing works
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L207[10:13:57] <Gasher[work]> >loaded career save
L208[10:14:35] <Gasher[work]> looked around to see what was going on and near mun rover there are debris called "mun rescue". Hmmm
L209[10:14:45] <Althego> hehe
L210[10:15:43] <Gasher[work]> as it is three pieces far away from each other i guess it was landing attempt
L211[10:21:03] <hoglahoo> aliens
L212[10:21:19] <Althego> some surely exist
L213[10:24:24] <Gasher[work]> also why are all of the aircraft in career so ugly
L214[10:24:42] <Althego> what, there are aircraft in career?
L215[10:25:01] <Gasher[work]> to reach places on ground
L216[10:25:08] <Gasher[work]> i mean those i made lol
L217[10:25:25] <Althego> you dont need to build those
L218[10:25:46] <Gasher[work]> there were some missions to get to places on kerbin
L219[10:25:53] <Althego> dont take those
L220[10:25:55] <Althego> long and boring
L221[10:26:09] <Althego> some of them also need avanced jet engines
L222[10:26:35] <Gasher[work]> well the latter kinda explains the ugliness
L223[10:26:55] <Gasher[work]> also there is that asteroid lifter to get the said asteroid to KCS
L224[10:30:16] <UmbralRaptop> Gasher[work]: they're ugly because Bill Lear was wrong.
L225[10:30:20] <Gasher[work]> but to think of it, it's really faster and easier to make a rover and drop it from orbit
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L227[10:31:20] <darsie> One study puts an upper limit of 0.3% of galaxies to be type 3 civs.
L228[10:31:55] <hoglahoo> good to know
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L230[10:32:09] <Althego> still a lot of them
L231[10:32:34] <darsie> heh, google shows the areceibo message.
L232[10:32:41] <Althego> i actually do that for some missions. i have a tiny rover with parachutes on top of a huge solid booster
L233[10:32:45] <hoglahoo> the study of speculation is fascinating
L234[10:33:28] <Althego> when do we get the event horizon picture?
L235[10:34:34] <Gasher[work]> https://i.imgur.com/JgjyK6Y.jpg
L236[10:34:47] <Althego> i remember this
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L238[10:35:13] <Althego> the power of noise generator compels you
L239[10:35:23] <Fluburtur> I have it in my hands right now
L240[10:35:41] <Althego> blow it hard :)
L241[10:35:56] <Fluburtur> yes
L242[10:37:16] <darsie> This allows us to set a tentative upper limit at 0.3% on the fraction of Karashev type III disk galaxies in the local Universe. https://arxiv.org/abs/1508.02406
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L248[11:26:48] <Althego> they really have this, cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KSahAoOLdU
L249[11:27:22] <Althego> somebody said some days ago that there is a agc restoration in progress, and i finally got to the video
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L263[12:19:21] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/Pllev4EvEgE
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L265[12:32:45] <Althego> eh i missed the progress
L266[12:33:02] <Althego> nice night launch
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L269[12:41:29] <Fluburtur> the waveform of my trumpet is quite interesting
L270[12:41:31] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186669324500993/513061011956301828/trumpet_wave.jpg
L271[12:42:19] <Althego> not a sine wave at all
L272[12:42:35] <Fluburtur> if it was a sine wave it would sound boring
L273[12:44:45] <Althego> make it sawtooth
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L275[12:53:01] <JVFoxy> looks a bit like multi tone mixing
L276[12:54:03] <Fluburtur> well the two main ripples are pretty much sine (or maybe triangular) so the rest is probably the trumept itself resonating while the presure front travels back and forth
L277[12:54:12] <JVFoxy> you put a couple of tones together, they'll cancel and enhance each other in various places. Either way, interesting pattern
L278[12:54:13] <Fluburtur> actually no
L279[12:55:03] <Fluburtur> the main waves are probably the main tone of the trumpet, some prsure fronts going in/out/in/out and between them is the time between the lips movement
L280[12:56:01] <Fluburtur> I should try different notes
L281[12:58:11] <Fluburtur> uh that's weird
L282[12:58:14] <JVFoxy> https://images.slideplayer.com/23/6628667/slides/slide_35.jpg
L283[12:58:59] <Althego> hwhw it looks like this :)
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L288[13:23:51] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and daughters of Kerbin: I'd die for the Emperor if that's what's asked. Er, you're not asking, are you?
L289[13:24:16] <Althego> kerbals dont have an emperor :)
L290[13:24:29] <Althego> maybe a chief rockete architect or something
L291[13:24:47] <Scolar_Visari> The nameless Chief Designer
L292[13:24:58] <Scolar_Visari> Korolev, fortunately, already has a name which starts with K.
L293[13:26:05] <raptop> Convenient
L294[13:26:44] <Scolar_Visari> Of course, any photos the Chief Designer have ever been in have their visage erased in Paint.
L295[13:27:13] <raptop> There are rumors of an entity known only as The HarvesteR
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L297[13:27:49] <Scolar_Visari> Nyet, citizen!
L298[13:28:09] * Scolar_Visari crudely erases HarvesteR from the record in MS Paint.
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L300[13:30:15] * Scolar_Visari also remains wary of 12,000 satellites https://phys.org/news/2018-11-spacex-satellites-orbit.html
L301[13:31:03] <Althego> SpaceX gets nod to put 12,000 satellites in orbit... sure nod had the nuclear strike, but gdi had the orbital ion cannon :)
L302[13:31:29] <Eddi|zuHause> if anything, kerbals would have a Kaiser!
L303[13:31:33] <Scolar_Visari> Ion Cannon overrated! Mammoth Tank is best tank!
L304[13:32:04] <Althego> but 12k sats, wouldnt that make space inaccessible? essentially a mine field
L305[13:32:20] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Kaiser Fredrick Killiam II.
L306[13:32:30] * raptop remembers NOD getting a nuclear missile that did less damage than most buildings had HP.
L307[13:32:50] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: Probably not. It's when you keep having to add more satellites to compensate for outages, and there's a very small timeframe for creating that constellation.
L308[13:33:12] <Scolar_Visari> raptop: Superweapons in the early C&C titles were all underwhelming. I don't recall them being decent until Red Alert 2 and Generals.
L309[13:33:35] <Eddi|zuHause> Scolar_Visari: plenty of "Karl"s to choose from
L310[13:33:36] * Scolar_Visari nods (har har har) to the Chinese Nuke general.
L311[13:33:53] <Althego> hehe
L312[13:33:57] <Althego> carl!
L313[13:34:30] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: There's also Karl Franz, but he's too busy representing the twin tailed comet.
L314[13:37:40] <Eddi|zuHause> i was thinking something betwee nhttps://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_der_Gro��e and https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_V._(HRR)
L315[13:38:28] <Scolar_Visari> There is only one Emperor and his name is Karl Franz!
L316[13:38:33] <Scolar_Visari> For Sigmar! For the Empire!
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L318[13:39:54] <Eddi|zuHause> well, there wasn't a Kaiser Friedrich Wilhelm II., anyway.
L319[13:39:58] <Scolar_Visari> I mean, did Karl der Grosse ride a griffon into battle?
L320[13:42:14] <Eddi|zuHause> are we sure he did not?
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L322[13:43:37] <Scolar_Visari> I can't prove a negative. However, I can prove that riding griffons is awesome.
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L324[13:47:50] <Scolar_Visari> Is it a space station orbiting Mercury or a space station filled with mercury?
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L327[13:49:55] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptop: Do Raptops hunt using the keyboard restraint method?
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L330[13:53:50] <raptop> Scolar_Visari: aside perhaps from things like +q, it's sort of hard to restrain someone with a keyboard.
L331[13:55:02] <Eddi|zuHause> speaking of mercury, what's that bright thing next to the moon right now? mars? jupiter?
L332[13:55:17] <legion> Mars, it has areddish tint
L333[13:56:07] <Scolar_Visari> raptop: With Soviet Raptors, keyboard restrains YOU!
L334[13:56:46] <raptop> Something something MFI 1.42
L335[13:57:50] <Eddi|zuHause> i was thinking mars, but i had a hard time identifying a "reddish tint", so i started to have some doubts
L336[13:59:28] <Scolar_Visari> raptop: something something cancelled.
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L349[14:28:27] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/513084426784210944/DSC_0213.JPG
L350[14:37:23] <Eddi|zuHause> not long and you can take that thing to a steampunk festival
L351[14:39:18] <Fluburtur> heh
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L361[15:09:42] * raptop slaps UmbralRaptop around in the patchy wifi
L362[15:10:45] * Tank2333 acts points at raptop to act as a amplifier
L363[15:11:09] * Tank2333 seems to have grammer malfunction
L364[15:12:25] * raptop feels like Tank2333's hull would have a shape poorly suited to acting as an antenna
L365[15:14:23] <Tank2333> better than feathers :)
L366[15:15:44] <raptop> Cleverly disguised log-periodic antennae
L367[15:17:27] <Tank2333> that sounds like something a marketing guy would say
L368[15:20:13] <raptop> uh
L369[15:28:25] <Tank2333> my wifi cuts out every few minutes too, not sure why
L370[15:28:54] <raptop> Too many users? (Or if home wifi, interference from nearby networks?)
L371[15:29:09] <JVFoxy> maybe it seeing inactivity?
L372[15:29:19] <raptop> JVFoxy: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
L373[15:30:03] <Tank2333> i can see a few networks around me but its not very dense populated
L374[15:30:55] <Tank2333> i also tried different wifi versions and chanels, doesnt seem to have any effect
L375[15:32:29] <Tank2333> it happens while youtube too, but the buffer is long enough it doesnt interrupt the video
L376[15:32:39] <raptop> odd
L377[15:32:55] <JVFoxy> I'm on telnet... any of those connections stay quiet more than 2 minutes, router boots, no warning, no nothing.
L378[15:33:43] <JVFoxy> so.. had to script a poor 'keep alive'... though I guess I could have updated my client. (1meg program to 20 megs and only to find they can't run on same system, weird incompatibilities)
L379[15:36:33] <Tank2333> maybe its my dsl router, i think the processor passes out for a split second each time my phone sends a report to china
L380[15:37:41] <Tank2333> because i noticed it after i got my Huawai
L381[15:37:51] <Tank2333> or to be correct Honor 6x
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L427[18:50:19] <Draconiator> https://www.engadget.com/2018/11/16/kilogram-officially-redefined/?yptr=yahoo
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L436[19:48:45] <lordcirth_> So, I want to take over CTTStockRebalance and get it marked as 1.5.1 compatible on CKAN. Should I make my own spacedock page for it and make a netkan PR? Not sure how the process works when taking over an existing mod.
L437[19:49:32] <lordcirth_> Oh, there's a ckan channel
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L448[20:44:30] <mabus> just saw "first man"
L449[20:44:41] <mabus> so many of the parts looked familiar
L450[20:44:56] <mabus> i guess ksp modelled a lot of the parts after apollo/gemini?
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L452[20:52:49] <Draconiator> https://www.amazon.com/Holmes-Dual-Blade-Window-White/dp/B00008XET9/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_201_lp_t_3?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=3MDKBRYHP1J58WV4SQP3 -I have something similar to this, and it makes a GREAT auxillary computer cooling fan
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L454[21:00:32] <KrazyKrl> That doesn't look like a high static pressure fan, it does move a lot of CFM; but at very low pressure.
L455[21:01:52] <KrazyKrl> That will probably make quite a bit of noise if you create enough backpressure.
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L467[23:15:39] <ConductorCat> Who is ready for space art?
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