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L86[04:40:37] <GlassYuri> "For the
first batch, 70% of the payment had been made in barter
transactions with light industrial goods and food. Russian
Federation argued that future transactions should be made in US
dollars. In May 1995, Chinese Central Military Commission Vice
Chairman, Liu Huaqing visited Russia and agreed to the term, on a
condition that the production line of Su-27 be imported"
L87[04:40:53] <GlassYuri> have food, want
4th generation fighter aircraft
L88[04:41:16] <GlassYuri> sorry, we only
accept enemy currency
L89[04:41:50] <Althego> hehe
L90[04:45:39] <GlassYuri> also,
"People's Liberation Army Naval Air Force" is still a
ridiculous name
L91[04:46:52] <Althego> did the kerbal on
the mun on the menu screen always dance?
L92[04:47:08] <Althego> i mean now i
noticed twice that it soemtimes does some dance like
movements
L93[04:47:15] <Althego> but not before
1.5
L94[04:48:41] <taniwha> Althego: don't
think he ever moved
L95[04:48:48] <GlassYuri> if there's a new
animation included it seems kinda unlikely to be a prank mod
L96[04:49:04] <Althego> yes sometimes he
moves
L97[04:49:43] <GlassYuri> I vaguely
remember the first time someone messed with the main menu
L98[04:50:13] <GlassYuri> I think it was a
mun landing hoax joke?
L99[04:50:25] <Althego> faked on
duna?
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L101[04:52:56] <GlassYuri> Althego, I
think they added some props to make it look like they're assembling
(or failing to assemble) the set
L102[04:53:04] <Althego> hehe
L103[04:53:18] <Althego> how does the
science stacking work exactly? what happens if i take a science bay
measurement and start to take it back home, and before that result
arrives i take an other measurement to take it back?
L104[04:53:46] <Althego> is the second one
ignored because it is the same as the first or is it demoted once
the first one arrives back?
L105[04:54:11] <GlassYuri> Althego,
whatever arrives second gets you the science for the second
time
L106[04:54:28] <Althego> so it is
decreased, not ignored
L107[04:55:28] <GlassYuri> if it gives for
example 70% per return, then the first would give 70% and the
second 70% of the remainder I think
L108[04:55:44] <GlassYuri> I wonder when
it jumps to 100%
L109[04:56:10] <Althego> probably
technically never, but after a while the return is too small to be
shown as anythinb but zero
L110[04:57:45] <GlassYuri> It does seem
like it eventually rounds up to 100% tho
L111[04:58:06] <Althego> if nothing else,
floating point precision will do that after a while
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L115[04:59:13] <Althego> still no news on
opportunity. it is sad. might have died this time
L116[04:59:31] <Althego> when the storm
began i thought it would easily survive it
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L118[05:51:55] <GlassYuri> btw is there an
airship mod for the current version of ksp
L119[05:53:19] <Althego> there used to be
tbut that one died years ago
L120[05:54:01] <GlassYuri> also are the
mods that add custom buildings still alive
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L122[05:54:37] <GlassYuri> as in not space
center building levels but entirely new structures
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L127[06:21:49] <GlassYuri> so I managed to
get like at least 8 pressure and temp fluctuation contracts near
KSC
L128[06:22:19] <Althego> good
L129[06:22:24] <Althego> the next ones
will be far away
L130[06:22:32] <Rokker> Nick Hague
deserves astronaut wings
L131[06:22:34] <Althego> and or too high
up to be usable
L132[06:22:49] <Althego> based on american
tradition
L133[06:23:07] <Althego> dont worry he is
going up anyway, just a bit later
L134[06:24:13] <Rokker> nah
L135[06:24:18] <Rokker> he should get them
now
L136[06:24:24] <Rokker> he hit American
space
L137[06:24:33] <Rokker> the one true
definition of space
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L140[06:25:10] <Rokker> abolish the karman
line
L141[06:25:20] <Althego> hehe
L142[06:25:30] <Althego> it is silly to
uphold the notion of 100 km
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L144[06:25:46] <Althego> because it moves
constantly based on the conditions of the upper atmosphere
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L146[06:25:56] <Rokker> seriously tho, the
karman line doesn't make sense, the FAI just chose it cause those
darn frenchies like the number 100
L147[06:25:58] <Fluburtur> mote it to
200km then, just to be sure
L148[06:26:08] <Althego> hehe
L149[06:26:09] <Fluburtur> move*
L150[06:26:23] <Althego> you want
riots?
L151[06:26:25] <Rokker> you cant complete
an unpowered orbit realistically below like... 140 km
L152[06:26:31] <Rokker> circular orbit
that is
L153[06:27:28] <Rokker> Fluburtur: why are
your acronyms always backwards
L154[06:27:46] <Fluburtur> we like it that
way
L155[06:27:48] <Rokker> NATO, ESA,
IAF.
L156[06:27:51] <Althego> because of the
structure of the language
L157[06:27:54] <Rokker> cant do any of
them right
L158[06:28:05] <Rokker>
"OTAN"
L159[06:28:07] <Rokker> ew
L160[06:28:23] <Fluburtur> to make you
salty my dear
L161[06:28:34] <Althego> a tiny awacs is
sitting there on my speakers with nato otan :)
L162[06:28:56] <Rokker> blegh
L163[06:29:20] <Rokker> think about
it
L164[06:29:26] <Rokker> NASA would be
ASAN
L165[06:29:34] <Rokker> that looks
dumb
L166[06:29:35] <Althego> hehe
L167[06:29:41] <Rokker> therefore French
is dumb
L168[06:29:45] <Rokker> America wins
L169[06:29:54] <APlayer> OSIRIS-REx:
xER-SIRISO
L170[06:30:02] <Althego> but then
conspiracy theorist wouldnt be able to say nasha means deceicve in
hebrew
L171[06:30:41] <APlayer> Great! Let's
invent a language where "ASAN" means
"lie"!
L172[06:30:52] <Gasher[work]> nasha means
'ours' in russian
L173[06:31:07] <APlayer> That's why it is
American :P
L174[06:31:20] <Rokker> I wish Russia
released capsule footage from the failure
L175[06:31:28] <Rokker> the astronauts
looked like they had fun
L176[06:31:32] <Gasher[work]> yeah it'd be
interesting
L177[06:31:34] <APlayer> Hahaha
L178[06:31:37] <Althego> yes the
transmission cut out instantly
L179[06:31:42] <Althego> we didnt see what
happened inside
L180[06:31:51] <Rokker> that last like 5
frame clip looked great
L181[06:31:57] <Gasher[work]> there was a
story that last time that happened the audio log was destroyed by
cosmonauts
L182[06:32:03] <Rokker> you can see them
get thrown to the side
L183[06:32:08] <APlayer> I guess this
transmission cut is a PR failsafe
L184[06:32:19] <Althego> the last toime in
the 80s when the lauch escape system activated
L185[06:32:28] <Gasher[work]> yes
L186[06:32:32] <APlayer> You know, if the
astronauts would /not/ have had fun, you wouldn't want to broadcast
it all over the world
L187[06:32:34] <Rokker> Gasher[work]: they
didnt destroy it, they turned it off
L188[06:32:55] <Althego> circuit breakers
exist for oyur convenience
L189[06:33:02] <Rokker> anyways
L190[06:33:07] <Gasher[work]> i am
referring to that launch with of escape system
L191[06:33:28] <Rokker> astronaut patch
for Hague, he deserves it and he went to space, if only
briefly
L192[06:33:58] <Rokker> I know you are, in
saying they didnt destroy the audio log, they turned off the
recorders
L193[06:34:05] <Fluburtur> I say, change
the astronaut award thing for one complete orbit above 100km
L194[06:34:05] <Althego> i could fix this.
you should only be able to get wings when you finished at least one
orbit
L195[06:34:19] <Rokker> um no
L196[06:35:00] <Rokker> Fluburtur: how
about you mind your own business and let america decide how it
awards astronaut badges to its civilians and military members
L197[06:35:05] <Gasher[work]> yeah then it
should not be wings if it orbited
L198[06:35:15] <Rokker> go back to not
launching frenchmen to space
L199[06:35:23] <Althego> hehe yes it
shouldnt be wings, because of no air
L200[06:35:45] <Gasher[work]> Rokker, then
award the president with honorary astronaut badge
L201[06:36:09] <Rokker> I'm off to
bed
L202[06:36:18] <Rokker> 94 km is
space
L203[06:36:37] <Rokker> 50 miles is where
it starts
L204[06:36:58] <Althego> only retards use
miles :)
L205[06:37:17] <GlassYuri> Rokker, space
starts at 70km
L206[06:37:39] <Rokker> nah, that's too
low
L207[06:37:47] <Althego> and rokkerspace
starts 1m around rokker
L208[06:37:55] <Rokker> Althego: only
retards using miles get to the moon
L209[06:38:01] <Rokker> and win world
wars
L210[06:38:20] <Gasher[work]> heh
L211[06:38:31] <GlassYuri> Rokker, and
make fail shuttles
L212[06:38:36] <Althego> hehe yes
L213[06:38:41] <Althego> i wanted to
mention, in a similar accident
L214[06:38:49] <Althego> the shuttle would
have killed everybody on board
L215[06:38:52] <Rokker> the shuttle wasn't
a failure
L216[06:39:14] <Rokker> it took 40 years
worth of launches for soyuz to match the shuttles safety
record
L217[06:39:27] <Gasher[work]> you should
have made it like Buran - no people on board - no casualties
L218[06:39:35] <Althego> umm 1700
launches...
L219[06:39:39] <Rokker> completely
pointless
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L221[06:39:49] <Rokker> Althego: the
capsule dummy
L222[06:40:04] <Rokker> if I included the
rocket, its failure rate would be much higher
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L224[06:40:31] <Rokker> Gasher[work]: the
buran was even more pointless than the shuttle
L225[06:40:31] <Althego> anyway as far as
i know even nasa is on si internally
L226[06:40:36] <Gasher[work]> yes
L227[06:40:45] <Rokker> cause it has a
cockpit for no crew
L228[06:40:54] <Rokker> Althego: these
days
L229[06:41:00] <Rokker> during the moon
days it wasnt
L230[06:41:02] <Gasher[work]> Energia part
seems to be the fault altogether
L231[06:41:08] <GlassYuri> Rokker, it was
supposed to fly both manned and unmanned
L232[06:41:35] <Gasher[work]> well unless
they could have made it reusable
L233[06:41:39] <Rokker> GlassYuri: I'm
well aware, you forget that I was one of the more active space
historians I this channel for a while
L234[06:41:40] <Althego> btw only
americans have money for a failing fighter jet while their internal
infrastructure is crumbling
L235[06:42:15] <Rokker> GlassYuri: however
if half of your flights are unmanned what is the point
L236[06:42:29] <Rokker> you are carrying a
cockpit for no reason
L237[06:42:46] <Rokker> Althego:
failing?
L238[06:43:00] <Rokker> um excuse me but
it's not failing
L239[06:43:11] <Rokker> unless you read
mainstream headlines and nothing else
L240[06:43:15] <Rokker> like some
pleb
L241[06:43:18] <GlassYuri> Rokker, well a
manned flight in a spacecraft that is not full of important looking
instruments wouldn't feel nearly as cool
L242[06:45:19] <Rokker> Althego: might I
remind you the F-35 is winning contracts left and right
L243[06:46:25] <Rokker> against a variety
of aircraft like the super hornet and the eurofighter typhoon
L244[06:46:42] <Rokker> Althego: it's not
winning them cause its failing, bug
L245[06:46:44] <Rokker> bud
L246[06:46:51] <Althego> which are
older
L248[06:47:08] <Althego> failing because
it took hilarious amount of money to develop
L249[06:48:25] <Rokker> wow a plane
designed to push the absolute boundaries of aerospace defense
technology in basically every way possible took time and money to
develope
L250[06:48:28] <Rokker> wow
L251[06:48:31] <Rokker> what a
failure
L252[06:48:50] <Rokker> you really need to
learn how this whole "look at the bigger picture" thing
works
L253[06:49:22] <Rokker> Althego: you
probably think a trillion dollars is the development cost or some
ridiculousness dont you
L254[06:49:36] <Althego> yes bigger
picture: usa is a militaristic oligarchy that functions as an
imperium, needs to be at war constantly, and it is, like running 17
year old wars for no reason
L255[06:49:57] <Rokker> ahem
L256[06:50:01] <GlassYuri> well the old
wars are still getting updates so why throw them away
L257[06:50:19] <Rokker> APlayer: I dont
mean to backseat but this sounds decidedly political now
L258[06:50:51] <APlayer> Without fully
reading the conversation, it looks grey-zone-y
L259[06:51:05] <Althego> he is right
L260[06:51:31] <APlayer> But anyway better
stay safe and move out of the grey zone :-)
L261[06:51:46] <GlassYuri> Rokker,
question, how effective are air to air missiles against various
sorts of missiles?
L262[06:51:48] <Rokker> I was keeping the
conversation on the plane and you decided to turn it into an attack
on America for no reason
L263[06:51:58] <GlassYuri> I assume they
could be used against cruise missiles?
L264[06:52:37] <Rokker> GlassYuri: they
could be, tho depending on the missiles i would question
effectiveness
L265[06:53:12] <GlassYuri> infrared guided
missile, against a passing cruise missile from behind
L266[06:53:17] <APlayer> Well,
anti-nuclear strike missiles are a thing, so apparently it is
better than nothing
L267[06:54:18] <GlassYuri> anti-ballistic
missiles seem specialized as heck though
L268[06:54:31] <Rokker> GlassYuri: there
is more to a missile than just infrared guidance
L269[06:55:15] <Rokker> a proximity fused
missile would be much more effective than infrared for
example
L270[06:55:36] <Rokker> also a lot of
cruise missiles are so small I have to wonder how much heat they
would actually out out
L271[06:55:39] <Rokker> put out
L272[06:55:45] <GlassYuri> ...are IR
missiles not proximity fused?
L273[06:55:52] <Rokker> they can be
L274[06:56:14] <GlassYuri> I was under the
impression that modern missiles would be mostly proximity
L275[06:56:36] <Rokker> mostly yeah
probably, but entirely? not necessarily
L276[06:56:57] <Rokker> GlassYuri: also
just looked at the picture of the aircraft
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L278[06:57:29] <GlassYuri> Rokker, then
how would active and passive radar guidance do
L279[06:57:56] <GlassYuri> also do I
assume correctly that a cruise missile is unlikely to have the
capability to actively evade?
L280[06:58:09] <Rokker> GlassYuri: that's
a nice little P-3, I need to see one in flight one of these days
before they are retired completely
L281[06:59:29] <Rokker> GlassYuri: I think
the missiles could all be effective in the right circumstances,
it's mainly the size that would make me think otherwise, but we
know cruise missiles can and have been shot down
L282[06:59:42] <GlassYuri> Rokker, there's
a large shed right out of frame at the bottom, the first aircraft
came over it with no warning and passed right over me with a lot of
noise
L283[06:59:59] <GlassYuri> followed by
another one, I think that picture was the third of three
L284[07:00:50] <GlassYuri> unsure how many
as they did appear to come back around once or twice, but it seemed
too fast to be less than three, and after the third sighting I
think the interval was a lot longer
L285[07:01:57] <GlassYuri> did a sharp and
low 90 degree turn after passing over, I assume they were
practicing landings as there was a base somewhere nearby
L286[07:03:40] <Rokker> GlassYuri: yeah
they were probably doing touch and goes or full landings/takeoffs.
their flaps are down
L287[07:05:06] <Rokker> P-3 is what the
national hurricane center flies into hurricanes
L288[07:09:43] <GlassYuri> I do not have
any further pictures but from the file dates of other images it
seems that I sighted them twice more in 35-47 minutes
L289[07:10:28] <GlassYuri> not sure if
those sightings were single aircraft or groups of two, I don't
think it was three
L290[07:13:14] <Rokker> anyways off to
bed
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L313[10:59:03] <kmath> YouTube - First 8K
Video from Space - Ultra HD
L315[11:11:53] <Althego> it is like a
third wheel :)
L317[11:18:22] <kmath>
<✔KerbalSpaceP> The Mk 2 Lander Can is getting a face lift
and a few surprises for update 1.6. Check it out! #KSP
https://t.co/uZ3JuaqJ4y
L318[11:18:41] <Althego> i always thought
it was hard to adapt this to a rover
L319[11:18:49] <Althego> now it can be a
bit better
L320[11:26:09] <Althego> and the part
shown last week in the tweet... i never use that, ok maybe i used
it once
L321[11:26:31] <Eddi|zuHause> what's even
the advantage of the 2-seat lander can over the 3-seat command
pod?
L322[11:27:03] <Althego> hehem currently
probably nothing
L323[11:27:24] <Althego> and i never
particularly liked it because of its weight and hard to use
shape
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L328[12:01:48] <UmbralRaptor> Stats wise
probably nothing. Lower tech requirement?
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L343[14:33:27] <Draconiator> So I was
"formatting" floppies with a hard drive magnet when I
decided to do it the old fashioned way....and APPARENTLY the magnet
made the format utility think the floppy was an old camera. it
thought it was in the RAW image format.
L344[14:34:16] <Fluburtur> not bad
L345[14:38:30] <Eddi|zuHause> can't
imagine how that works...
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L370[17:25:19] <Neal> dear god the crafts
on the workshop page are all terrible
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L372[17:27:14] <raptop> How so?
L373[17:27:31] *
raptop guesses that it's because Steam has a lousy
Isp.
L376[17:28:15] <Neal> it has gotten
slightly better over the time since the workshop was enabled
L377[17:28:25] <raptop> O_o O_O o_O
L378[17:28:55] *
UmbralRaptor Ꙩ_ꙩ
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L380[17:30:11] <Neal> petition to change
vessels named "untitled spacecraft" to "untitled
space crap" in the workshop
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L382[17:30:36] <raptop> Hah
L383[17:30:52] <APlayer> You need a space
station to generate an object that would bear this name
L384[17:30:55] <raptop> (Please ignore
that multiple instances of me are making confused faces)
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L386[17:31:22] <raptop> ...
L387[17:31:38] <UmbralRapbottom> ?
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L389[17:31:52] <Neal> Uwu
L391[17:32:19] <Neal> do they know how to
use keyboards
L392[17:33:30] <raptop> Yes. The talons
make touchscreens a pain in the cloaca, though.
L393[17:33:51] <raptop> ...I'm not sure if
that violates the language rule.
L394[17:35:36] <Neal> I won't tell the
moderators
L395[17:36:38] <APlayer> Are raptor talons
conductive?
L396[17:37:11] <Neal> I'm going to a
hackathon in a few hours and still haven't bothered to put my
server in its case yet
L397[17:37:36] <APlayer> Whoever needs
cases?
L398[17:38:05] <raptop> RasPIs come
without cases.
L399[17:38:21] *
raptop should probably be all lower case with this
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L402[17:46:50] <Neal> raspis a little
underpowered for my use case :P
L403[17:47:55] *
raptop is messing around with a 32bit laptop for this bit of
IRCing. >_>
L404[17:50:06] <APlayer> Should be called
raptopx86, then
L405[17:52:03] <Neal> I wonder how many 16
bit irc clients there are
L407[17:52:37] <Neal> because running an
internet-connected app in realmode could never end badly
L408[17:52:43] *
raptop has 2 32bit laptops for reasons.
L409[17:53:45] <APlayer> That laptop is
just a tad slower than mine
L410[17:54:13] <Neal> I still have my
laptop with an AMD E-450. terribly slow and power hungry
though
L411[17:54:19] <APlayer> In other news,
recently I found out that I have a floppy drive in my laptop, and
it made me happy :D
L412[17:54:57] <raptop> Technically the
other laptop is slower than this one, but I think Debian runs
better on it, so...
L413[17:55:08] <raptop> APlayer: DOS
gaming?
L414[17:55:22] <Neal>
Client:
HexChat 2.14.2
• OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (x64)
• CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1700 Eight-Core Processor
(3.00GHz)
• Memory: 15.9 GiB Total (9.8 GiB Free)
• Storage: 2.6 TiB / 5.7 TiB (3.1 TiB Free)
•
VGA: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti
• Uptime: 2d
23h 56m 50s
L415[17:55:49] <Neal> should be 10TB but
I'm moving data around
L416[17:56:00] <APlayer> raptop, nah, it's
a decommissioned workstation/office laptop
L417[17:56:22] <APlayer> Got it for 15€,
IIRC, and worked with it for a few years before getting an actual
PC
L418[18:07:15] <raptop> Hrm
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L424[18:13:42] <Neal> should probably
update all my IDEs while at home on 100mbit wifi
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L428[18:23:11] <raptop> Probably.
L429[18:23:19] *
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L431[18:24:08] <Neal> *horrified*
L432[18:26:27] <Neal> I really hope the
rails for toolless hard drive bays are standardized
L434[18:31:06] <jgkamat> yah I don't think
they are
L435[18:31:43] <Neal> turns out I
*accidentally* had the ones compatible with my old case laying
around
L437[18:48:43] <Rokker> nah my parrot just
uses her beak to kill and maim
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