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L19[02:56:55] <Blaank> https://youtu.be/cpqq0i4w_fM Scott with some info
L20[02:56:56] <kmath> YouTube - Astronauts Escape Failing Rocket - Soyuz Did Not Go To Space Today
L21[03:02:57] <Blaank> >why didn't they revert to launch
L22[03:04:23] <Althego> hehe
L23[03:05:02] <Blaank> So that bit of early debris I pointed out was the LES jettisoning before the MECO.
L24[03:05:25] <Blaank> The korolev cross being lopsided correlated to a white cloud coming out of the booster.
L25[03:05:37] <Blaank> And then there was zero thrust from second stage.
L26[03:05:53] <Blaank> booster and second stage collision seems likely.
L27[03:06:11] <Blaank> 3 of the boosters looked right, 1 was lopsided.
L28[03:06:27] <Althego> you mean it flew into the rocket?
L29[03:06:31] <Blaank> Maybe
L30[03:06:37] <Althego> that shouldnt happen...
L31[03:06:37] <Blaank> It would explain what we saw.
L32[03:06:50] <Althego> the boosters simply fall out because they lose thrust and the core still has thrust
L33[03:06:55] <Blaank> What separation method does the soyuz use for boosters?
L34[03:07:13] <Althego> so if they fell already how could it gain speed again?
L35[03:07:31] <Blaank> Do boosters burn out before main engine?
L36[03:07:42] <Althego> that is the point of having a core
L37[03:07:56] <Blaank> Then there is no way the boosters could hit the second stage.
L38[03:08:07] <Althego> he boosters together have more thrust so they press into the core, when they lose thrust they fall out
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L40[03:09:25] <Blaank> The boosters aren't tall enough to get to the second stage and if first stage still had thrust there is no way the boosters could touch the second stage.
L41[03:09:41] <Blaank> So collision with second stage has been ruled out.
L42[03:10:29] <Blaank> booster collision with first stage is possible but how would that prevent second stage from working? Booster separation going wrong and damaging the second stage is possible.
L43[03:10:42] <Blaank> Depends on the method used to separate them.
L44[03:11:08] <Blaank> If for example they used sepratrons and one of them exploded it could send shrapnel into the second stage.
L45[03:11:23] <GlsFrg|phone> so in an interesting new development on the Japanese 50/60Hz power grid thing, Tokyo Metro will from next year on run trains equipped with 60Hz outlets through 50Hz land
L46[03:12:17] <Blaank> Does the 60 hz power grid have anything to do with 60 hz led monitors?
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L48[03:16:58] <GlsFrg|phone> wouldn't those use direct current internally anyway?
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L50[03:17:46] <Blaank> They do.
L51[03:18:10] <Epi> our grid here is 50hz, windows says my monitor is at 60hz.. but I don't trust it :D
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L53[03:19:52] <darsie> Blaank: 60 Hz countries may preferably produce 60/n Hz content which is more suitable for 60 Hz monitors.
L54[03:19:53] <Gasher[work]> Blaank, according to what i read it might have been a pressure release valve which is used to drain gas evaporating in oxydised tank
L55[03:20:59] <Gasher[work]> it is then closed right before the ignition and then opened to be used as booster separation mechanism (i suppose one of them or part of it) where it failed, causing botched booster separation
L56[03:21:16] <Gasher[work]> and hence, collision. But that's one variant of the cause
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L59[03:29:28] <KrazyKrl> 60hz is one of the most divisible values, and can pretty easily handle any framerate with minimal processing.
L60[03:31:31] <KrazyKrl> (even though i'm still attempting to drive my 1080p 60hz LCD to 75hz via a custom resolution utility)
L61[03:34:43] <KrazyKrl> NTSC analog TV is also 60i.
L62[03:34:44] <darsie> If you don't limit yourself to integers 60 is no more divisible than 50.
L63[03:34:59] <KrazyKrl> PAL TV is 50i.
L64[03:35:23] <KrazyKrl> erm... interleaved 60 FPS, PAL is 50 FPS interleaved
L65[03:43:16] <sandbox> I hate 60hz
L66[03:50:09] <sandbox> I remember when my school had a delivery of new apple macs and they were all set to 60hz and people started getting headaches
L67[03:51:24] <sandbox> I suggested increasing it to 72hz and almost immediately the headaches went away
L68[03:56:45] <sandbox> then when 60hz LCDs started becoming popular, the media was all like "60hz isn't a problem with LCDs" I disagreed, and still do
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L86[06:27:11] <Eddi|zuHause> somehow i'm not sure i made the right call for a crew uniform https://ibin.co/4InRXoPePlKr.png
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L90[06:29:27] <Rolf> ohhh ywH'
L91[06:29:39] <Rolf> yeah faries lol
L92[06:30:13] <Rolf> what game is that anyway
L93[06:30:19] <Eddi|zuHause> starbound
L94[06:30:32] <Rolf> interesting
L95[06:38:16] <Gasher[work]> yeah also thought its starbound
L96[06:39:28] <Althego> yhwh? :)
L97[06:39:50] <Gasher[work]> :)
L98[06:40:13] <Gasher[work]> Althego, no, that's from SMT no Starbound
L99[06:40:50] <Eddi|zuHause> and here i was sitting thinking yhwh is from the old testament...
L100[06:41:00] <Althego> what is smt in this context? what is this context? i am not working with smt currently :)
L101[06:41:09] <Althego> yes i wrote it because of that
L102[06:41:12] <Gasher[work]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Megami_Tensei this
L103[06:41:38] <Althego> surface mount technology
L104[06:41:54] <Althego> the uselessness of tlas
L105[06:42:00] <Eddi|zuHause> apparently SMT is the tram company of Palma de Mallorca
L106[06:42:18] <Eddi|zuHause> (according to first google result)
L107[06:42:19] <Gasher[work]> starbound and SMT are games that people i know used to play and stream, so even though i am not interested in playing them i know about them
L108[06:44:17] <Althego> hah, another flat earth non sequitur
L109[06:44:36] <Althego> 3 hours...
L110[06:44:53] <Althego> even in double speed it takes long
L111[06:45:10] <Rolf> what flat earth stuff?
L112[06:45:28] <Rolf> I kinda wish theres FKSP game :P
L113[06:45:34] <Rolf> flat kerbin space program
L114[06:45:40] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-ElvDDr3kszDmKVgvr_BtA/videos
L115[06:46:26] <Gasher[work]> Rolf, look up for alpha version then
L116[06:46:27] <Rolf> bleh lousy videos lol
L117[06:46:28] <Eddi|zuHause> in starbound all planets are flat (and at the same time circular)
L118[06:46:49] <Rolf> is that nonecludian flat sphere plants? lol
L119[06:46:52] <Althego> the videos are not much, basically hangouts or whatever they are called
L120[06:46:54] <Eddi|zuHause> (and 2d)
L121[06:47:02] <Rolf> Gasher[work]: ya played that, weird
L122[06:47:11] <Gasher[work]> oh
L123[06:47:24] <Rolf> I just wish theres something like multimc for ksp
L124[06:47:29] <Rolf> can download any version
L125[06:47:52] <Rolf> I played the FIRST public release prealpha, it had only cobble and grass blocks lol
L126[06:48:07] <Gasher[work]> wow
L127[06:48:23] <Rolf> if you has minecraft acct you can try it out. lots fun versions
L128[06:48:40] <Rolf> incuding last beta that has awesome worldgen
L129[06:48:41] <Althego> strange that as i get older i find point and click adventure games more interesting
L130[06:49:09] <Gasher[work]> Althego, that's upcoming dementia :)
L131[06:49:16] <Althego> lol
L132[06:49:21] <Althego> i dont think so
L133[06:49:27] <Rolf> Althego: heard of MOTAS game?
L134[06:49:40] <Rolf> its old but amazing click puzzle game
L135[06:50:23] <Althego> based on family history i may have parkinson and heart attack when i am older, but no dementia
L136[06:50:41] <Gasher[work]> well to each their own
L137[06:50:55] <Rolf> Althego: http://www.albartus.com/motas/
L138[06:51:09] <Althego> lol flash
L139[06:51:39] <Gasher[work]> never liked quest games like that
L140[06:52:31] <Rolf> look at copyright lol
L141[06:52:32] <Rolf> 2001
L142[06:52:46] <Rolf> I have played it few times since its early version that was few levels shorter
L143[07:07:08] <Eddi|zuHause> <Althego> based on family history i may have parkinson and heart attack when i am older, but no dementia <-- you mean, you have parkinson and heart attack BEFORE you get dementia :p
L144[07:07:31] <Althego> these are independent
L145[07:20:31] <Eddi|zuHause> with these things, it's generally a question of "what kills you first"
L146[07:21:51] <Gasher[work]> it's usually death that kills people
L147[07:25:24] <Althego> people die when they are killed (meme)
L148[07:25:46] <UmbralRaptop> Scythe wounds generally cause lots of problems
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L152[08:07:11] <Eddi|zuHause> does anyone have a clue how to teach steam to not show event notifications?
L153[08:07:31] <Eddi|zuHause> i found an option to disable them in the feed, but the popups still happen :/
L154[08:24:24] <GlassYuri> ...why does the desktop version of youtube still not allow you to scroll to the comments while keeping the video on screen somewhere
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L156[08:55:16] <Eddi|zuHause> in my experience, reading the comments before the end of the video is a terrible idea. and after the video it doesn't get much better...
L157[08:56:11] <Eddi|zuHause> also, there's no option to filter for comments that don't reference later parts of the video
L158[08:56:14] <Althego> never read the comments
L159[08:59:59] <Eddi|zuHause> what i find a nice feature is on twitch recordings, you have also a recorded chat that plays along, so even though you aren't watching it live, you can see the comments other people had on that exact moment of the video
L160[09:05:53] <GlassYuri> Eddi|zuHause, youtube streams do the same
L161[09:06:32] <GlassYuri> except that depending on how the layout flows, it shows a total of two chat comments at once
L162[09:08:01] <GlassYuri> btw I forgot what it was called but these layouts that gradually phonify when screen width decreases can go die in a fire unless done correctly
L163[09:09:17] <GlassYuri> you can hide the menu behind a button when it is wider than the screen itself but not at some random amount prescribed by your moronic frontend framework
L164[09:10:32] <GlassYuri> I like to keep my browser on one half of the screen, and so many websites dumb themselves down to phone level if you do that
L165[09:10:37] <GlassYuri> sorry just had to vent
L166[09:11:16] <Althego> hehe, it is the reverse for me. it is pointless to have a browser bigger than half of the screen because the sites themselves dont want to be wider, just because webdesign is retarded
L167[09:13:49] <GlassYuri> Althego, why not have both, sites that dumb down to regain space to waste on white sidebars
L168[09:14:13] <Althego> hehe
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L171[09:18:36] <Eddi|zuHause> i use two browsers, one for youtube with mostly full-width-content and one for the rest of the internet with half-width content (and no javascript, but that annoyingly works less and less)
L172[09:19:22] <Eddi|zuHause> say, news websites or forums, which should be mostly text with some images sprinkled in
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L175[09:33:05] <Draconiator> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wight_Quadruplane
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L177[09:33:45] <GlassYuri> Draconiator, I thought by then they were over the more wings = better fad
L178[09:34:01] <Althego> hehe
L179[09:34:55] <Althego> looks like air pirate planes from talespin
L180[09:34:56] <GlassYuri> seriously have y'all seen the plane which had a massive amount of RC sized wings stacked over each other
L181[09:35:54] <GlassYuri> https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-USalwKs8_fo/VreUNnJB5pI/AAAAAAACFQQ/T0AkILQAps8/s1600/early-flying-machines-19.jpg
L182[09:35:54] <Althego> https://www.animationsource.org/tssourcepage/images/airpirates/pirate-tactics/pirate-tactics02.jpg
L183[09:36:29] <Althego> lol
L184[09:38:43] <GlassYuri> I guess it could have some practical use as a window louver
L185[09:39:26] <GlassYuri> the biggest issue with hanging an airplane in your living room other than sheer size is justifying the cost and effort somehow
L186[09:39:27] <Mat2ch> space is hard. It gets even harder if you try to use only LF to get there with a spaceplane
L187[09:39:47] <Mat2ch> Needs more Nervas
L188[09:40:08] <Althego> not practical with current stock parts
L189[09:40:23] <Althego> unless it is really small
L190[09:41:40] <Mat2ch> I can make one with the MK2 parts
L191[09:41:51] <Mat2ch> but with MK3? No good solution yet
L192[09:42:28] <Althego> yes but it wastes a lot of fuel because of the heavy and low thrust nuclear engines
L193[09:43:11] <Mat2ch> and with the MK2 parts I usually pack some oxidizer, too, to get up high enough. Then the nervas can take over. I had one with 2k dV left, which is pretty much for an SSTO
L194[09:43:31] <Althego> yes something like that
L195[09:44:09] <GlassYuri> Mat2ch, take the mk2 design and replace a few fuselage pieces with fatter ones so that you can call it mk3
L196[09:45:14] <Mat2ch> what really bothers me is that with the RAPIERs should be able to cruise over 30 km. But in air-breathing mode they're no better than the whiplash
L197[09:45:30] <Mat2ch> GlassYuri: ruins the whole balance of the craft ;)
L198[09:45:35] <Althego> they are better
L199[09:45:42] <Mat2ch> but not much
L200[09:45:50] <Althego> about 5 km higher and 200 m/s
L201[09:46:13] <GlassYuri> Mat2ch, nothing a bit of depleted plutonium can't fix :)
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L204[09:47:29] <Mat2ch> But SABRE engines shall work up to 1700 m/s and 26 km high
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L206[09:47:57] <Althego> no, not really, about 1500 m/s the best you can get in a practical plane
L207[09:48:06] <Althego> 26 km is about right
L208[09:48:26] <GlassYuri> *depleted uranium
L209[09:48:31] <Mat2ch> But I can get pretty similar values with the whiplashs :|
L210[09:48:38] <Althego> what would you do with depleted uranium?
L211[09:48:49] <Althego> then something is wrong, because those cant go that fast
L212[09:48:51] <GlassYuri> Althego, fix the balancing
L213[09:50:04] <Althego> realistically you cant really go faster than 1300 with the jets
L214[09:50:27] <Althego> maybe a bit faster in a really high twr plane, but that wouldnt have fuel to make into orbit
L215[09:50:36] <Mat2ch> " Top speed is ~2,100 m/s in kerbins atmosphere" says the wiki about the rapiers...
L216[09:50:40] <Mat2ch> never went so fast ;)
L217[09:51:14] <Althego> hehe, no, quite impossible
L218[09:51:35] <Mat2ch> if you can get so fast you're out of the atmosphere pretty fast...
L219[09:51:37] <Althego> because with mach number you lose thrust really fast above what 5?
L220[09:51:45] <Mat2ch> 300 m/s left for a nerva. That's nothing :P
L221[09:52:59] <Draconiator> Ehhhh back then people overdid the more surface area = better maneuverability thing...
L222[09:53:23] <Althego> around mach 5.5 for t he rapier
L223[09:55:10] <GlassYuri> ...my C drive only has less than ten gigs left
L224[09:55:28] <Althego> so at mach 5 at 25 km whiplash produces around 0 thrust, while rapier still produces something like 30 kN
L225[09:55:57] <Althego> but that is marginal, probably not even keeping up with drag
L226[09:56:14] <Althego> so between 25 and 30 km you have to turn on the rockets
L227[09:58:56] <Althego> below mach 4 the whiplash can beat the rapier in certain domains, like around mach 1 and below 15 km easily, but higher or faster and rapier wins, still with rapidly degrading perofrmance above 25 km and mach 5
L228[09:59:21] <Draconiator> I made a flying wing that can cruise at 1km/s at 15KM or so.
L229[09:59:46] <Althego> i made one that could do around 1200 above 20
L230[10:00:39] <Draconiator> I'm loading up KSP right now, I actually kind of forgot how it performs heh
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L234[10:27:03] <Althego> when the dust storm hit i was quite certain opportunity would survive, but now hope is fading
L235[10:32:30] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/bfdb4f02d2c6976f02abf296c2e4f5be.png - About the fastest I can get in the lower atmosphere.
L236[10:33:17] <Althego> what engine is that? i assume there even with the whiplash you can do that
L237[10:33:45] <Althego> but as i said, light plane, not orbit capable, so not realistic case for an ssto
L238[10:34:58] <Draconiator> Whiplash
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L242[11:32:53] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMUJ004Dr8Q
L243[11:32:53] <kmath> YouTube - Soyuz MS-10 Failure - Updates & Answers To Your Questions
L244[11:32:59] <Althego> hah, got it at 29 views
L245[11:33:01] <Althego> 39
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L256[12:15:17] <Ezko> congratulations Althego
L257[12:17:13] <petti> I will never understand the firster-views-counting-crowd. Nor do I want to.
L258[12:17:36] <Althego> i was just surprised usually dont see it until after 3000
L259[12:17:43] <Althego> or even like 22 hours later
L260[12:17:51] <petti> I just watch the video.
L261[12:18:17] <Althego> because he uploads it just after i go to bed, then i go to work next morning, and next evening i get back to his almost day old video
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L263[12:19:39] <Althego> i think it is time to try syberia
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L265[12:23:42] <Althego> hehehe
L266[12:23:44] <Althego> true
L267[12:29:50] <Althego> heh. 3d rendering engine could not be initialized
L268[12:30:47] <Althego> lol must decrease resolution manually
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L282[13:09:18] <ag2v> anyone here use principia?
L283[13:09:30] <ag2v> just installed it on my rss game
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L286[13:32:22] <darsie> ag2v: How is it?
L287[13:32:36] <darsie> Went to an L-point?
L288[13:32:47] <ag2v> i got pulled away a bit, ill have to try it later
L289[13:32:55] <ag2v> any suggestions for it?
L290[13:33:02] <darsie> I never tried it.
L291[13:33:41] <ag2v> i have 3 installs of ksp right now, this one im trying to make as realistic as possible
L292[13:33:58] <ag2v> i forgot to download ferram aerospace though
L293[13:34:17] <ag2v> any other mods i should try?
L294[13:34:45] <darsie> what KSP version?
L295[13:35:08] <ag2v> 1.4.5 i think it is, whatever the current version is
L296[13:35:21] <ag2v> ive found that incompatible mods still work though
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L299[13:41:55] <ag2v> im not sure whether or not i want to try life support mods
L300[13:42:14] <ag2v> i guess i could always uninstall if i dont like it
L301[13:43:25] <DFrostedWang> I'd give them a shot, usually add a bit of welcome challenge to my runs
L302[13:43:57] <Mat2ch> well, they're pretty good integrated and you get a display, where you can see how long the stuff lasts
L303[13:44:03] <Mat2ch> so it's pretty easy to plan ahaed
L304[13:44:10] <ag2v> kerbalism seems interesting
L305[13:44:46] <ag2v> i think i will do that, i always have my 2 other ksp installs lol
L306[13:45:02] <ag2v> one for rss and lots of realism, one for stock solar system, one for gpp
L307[13:45:30] <ag2v> is kerbalism on ckan?
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L401[20:42:48] <ag2v> update on principia: it seems to have a huge effect on my fps
L402[20:43:02] <ag2v> im gonna have to uninstall it :(
L403[20:45:26] <TheKosmonaut> ag2v: it can be a pretty intensive mod
L404[20:45:42] <TheKosmonaut> But maybe check and see if there’s some errors being thrown around
L405[20:46:14] <Eddi|zuHause> is there meanwhile an update for FAR to make it work on 1.4.x?
L406[20:46:45] <Eddi|zuHause> because when i last tried the old version, i got like 0fps
L407[20:47:07] <ag2v> no errors, it's my hardware
L408[20:47:11] <Eddi|zuHause> (as opposed to 3-4 :p)
L409[20:47:19] <ag2v> amd a6-7400k and gt 740
L410[20:47:20] <ag2v> lol
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L412[21:11:10] <Mutter_> https://swcapp.uk/i/mover336922 Check out this app ? it pays for walking
L413[21:12:41] <SilverFox> oh great are we back to this stuff?
L414[21:13:53] <Mutter_> Good app
L415[21:14:04] <Mutter_> Walk and earn money
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L417[21:24:19] <ag2v> so im in a chan on geekshed
L418[21:24:25] <ag2v> and we have some bots too
L419[21:24:35] <ag2v> all in the format genericfemalename_number
L420[21:25:01] <ag2v> they join and immediately say Hi!/Hey!/Im here.
L421[21:25:04] <ag2v> and then leave
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L431[22:02:50] <TheKosmonaut> stupid_chris: still stupid over there?
L432[22:02:59] <stupid_chris> absolutely
L433[22:03:17] <stupid_chris> hows my favourite hellfest been going all this time?
L434[22:03:56] <TheKosmonaut> Implying I’m not just ghosting this entire community
L435[22:04:37] <TheKosmonaut> I have been too busy with work. I think I probably have checked irc once every other day at best and the forum once a month
L436[22:05:21] <stupid_chris> mostly meant hows the Squad sh- uh right, language. How's the Squad circus been going?
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L442[23:48:02] <Althego> i have no words https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDFBTdToRmw
L443[23:48:03] <kmath> YouTube - LITTLE BIG – SKIBIDI (official music video)
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