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L3[00:13:07] <iplop> Rolf: haha, that trick
can be fun for messing around with but it's absolutely useless for
any sort of work
L4[00:13:37] <Rolf> guess so its more near
ir than actual ir anyway
L6[00:14:01] <iplop> great for active night
vision cameras though
L7[00:14:15] <iplop> if you want to make a
night time security camera out of a webcam
L8[00:14:32] <iplop> you'll need to wire up
an LED IR spotlight as well
L9[00:14:40] <Rolf> depends on user case I
guess. I always wanted a heat camers though but so expensive
L10[00:15:17] <Rolf> I have seen near ir
directly myself. used googles and filters. was interesting
L11[00:15:18] <iplop> I honestly wouldn't
bother unless you require it for work
L12[00:15:36] <iplop> and those $200
thermal cameras are absolute garbage
L13[00:15:39] <iplop> they're toys
L14[00:15:44] <iplop> completely
useless
L15[00:16:40] <iplop> everything lower than
the E6 from FLIR is also pretty much useless :/
L16[00:16:47] <Rolf> not sure if completely
useless as can use for basic stuff like looking for heat leaks so
on
L17[00:17:00] <iplop> nope
L18[00:17:07] <iplop> a SEEK isn't good
enough even for that
L19[00:17:31] <iplop> I mean, you may get
some sort of idea where the issues are
L20[00:17:45] <Rolf> not sure, no
L21[00:18:43] <iplop> I got a SEEK camera a
while back -figured I'd use it a bit like a boroscope for confined
spaces
L22[00:18:50] <iplop> nope, not useful
:/
L23[00:19:09] <iplop> it took cool
selfies
L24[00:19:48] <Rolf> not enough detail? not
enpugh range?
L25[00:19:53] <iplop> I lent it to another
department after giving up on it (they were going to use it for
electronics repair)
L26[00:20:13] <iplop> someone stole it
after being fired --wasn't useful for electronics either
L27[00:20:29] <iplop> not enough granular
sensitivity
L28[00:21:19] <Rolf> interesting
L29[00:21:30] <iplop> also weird bleeding
artifacts in the imaging -likely due to that cheaper thermal optics
coating that's been making the rounds lately
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L31[00:22:38] <iplop> SEEK cameras just
give muddy images :/
L32[00:23:40] <iplop> their marketing
photos are pretty much B/S
L33[00:24:03] <iplop> also, don't be fooled
by FLIR brand marketing photos
L34[00:25:06] <iplop> FLIR has a patent on
mixing a traditional image sensor and thermal imaging sensor
outputs together for high defined pictures
L35[00:25:16] <iplop> that detail isn't
very helpful
L36[00:25:27] <Rolf> bleh. ok
L37[00:26:15] <iplop> it actually makes it
easier to see just how crappy their low end thermal imaging sensors
(maybe artificially limited?) are
L39[00:27:39] <iplop> was made before FLIR
got crappy^
L40[00:45:16] <Rolf> nice. too bad its bit
expensive
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L44[01:05:00] <oren> reusing the lower
stage of the Bohemia V is getting more routine
L45[01:08:38] <oren> it's a partial-reuse
two-stage-to-orbit vertical rocket with a nominal payload of 40
tons
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L47[01:14:46] <Rolf> nice
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L54[01:36:27] <Althego> hah 1.5 in
october
L56[01:40:51] <kmath> YouTube - Thermal
Cameras: Hot & Bothered
L57[01:41:03] <Rolf> its pg dont
worry
L58[01:41:42] <Althego> lol thermal
selfies
L59[01:44:59] <Rolf> basically "btw im
not sponsored by flir... nor big copper"
L60[01:45:06] <Rolf> hes always funny
L61[01:49:51] <iplop> eww
L62[01:49:58] <iplop> flir one
L63[01:50:31] <iplop> added to watch list
:v
L64[01:51:07] <iplop> thermal cameras is
just a messed up market :/
L65[01:51:24] <Althego> why
L66[01:51:25] <iplop> yes, the optics &
sensors require a lot of expensive elements
L67[01:51:46] <iplop> there just aren't
enough manufacturers of thermal imaging sensors
L68[01:51:59] <iplop> image processing is
also super locked down by patents
L69[01:52:19] <iplop> and then there's
governmental regulations
L70[01:52:41] <iplop> and issues with
sourcing parts/manufacturing due to differing regulations between
counties
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L72[01:53:07] <Rolf> m still waiting for
termal camera phones to finally become junk
L73[01:53:10] <iplop> the markets a bit
inflated :/
L74[01:53:11] <Rolf> so I can buy one
cheap
L75[01:53:17] <Rolf> and not use it as
phone
L76[01:53:21] <iplop> CAT S60 phone
L77[01:53:27] <iplop> has a thermal camera
on it^
L78[01:53:33] <iplop> a crappy one
L79[01:53:38] <iplop> but still a thermal
camera
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L81[01:54:00] <Rolf> yah but once phone
stats become way underpowered for current apps or
whatever.,..
L82[01:54:05] <Rolf> value will go way
down
L83[01:54:34] <iplop> looks like it's ~$400
now
L84[01:54:39] <iplop> for that phone
L85[01:54:58] <Althego> it is still
affordable
L86[01:55:11] <Althego> compared to years
ago when it was not
L87[01:55:42] <iplop> therm-app seems to
have the best offerings for the price atm
L88[01:56:18] <iplop> but I'm apprehensive
about thermal cameras as a phone accessory
L89[01:56:22] <iplop> phones change
quick
L90[01:58:34] <iplop> too bad you can't
really buy up old lab equipment cameras
L91[01:58:49] <Althego> you can
L92[01:58:51] <iplop> most of those fall
under regulations :/
L93[01:59:02] <iplop> really?
L94[01:59:04] <Althego> like thunderfoot
bought that high speed cam for only a few thousand dollars :)
L95[01:59:38] <iplop> Last I checked, there
wasn't much available without licensing for old lab used thermal
cameras
L96[01:59:52] <Althego> maybe thermal
cameras are different
L97[02:00:14] <Althego> but what is this
licencing?
L98[02:00:32] <iplop> clearances?
governmental permission?
L99[02:00:39] <iplop> not sure what the
correct term is
L100[02:00:52] <iplop> they're treated as
munitions
L101[02:00:54] <Althego> what, you cant
own them?
L102[02:00:57] <Althego> ah
L103[02:01:02] <iplop> not above a certain
grade
L104[02:01:11] <Althego> some
regulation
L105[02:01:40] <iplop> the US has predator
drones with fancy optics
L106[02:01:47] <Rolf> some odd regulations
in usa, like can own tritium but cant buy em
L107[02:01:51] <iplop> they don't want
random people building similar things
L108[02:02:39] <iplop> rolf: I'm pretty
sure that's mostly supplier imposed (below a certain
quantity)
L109[02:03:53] <Althego> well, i can see
some thermal cameras here for sale up to around... 10k dollars.
those are probably quite high grade
L110[02:04:09] <iplop> link?
L111[02:04:20] <Althego> useless to you,
hungarian site
L112[02:04:24] <iplop> ah
L113[02:04:53] <iplop> 10k actually
doesn't get you much above "useful" for thermal cameras
:v
L114[02:05:05] <iplop> "high
grade" = 40k+
L115[02:05:55] <Althego> those are already
outside the reach of normal people
L116[02:06:03] <iplop> lol, yup
L117[02:06:10] <Althego> just because of
the price
L118[02:07:27] <iplop> 'high grade'
thermal stuff isn't really obtainable outside of
government/research
L119[02:10:15] <iplop> which stinks
becauseI've always wanted a thermal camera HUD for my car ;D
L120[02:10:29] <iplop> would be great for
driving at night
L121[02:10:34] <iplop> to avoid deer,
etc.
L122[02:10:37] <Althego> i think there are
cars with that
L123[02:10:42] <iplop> nope
L124[02:10:47] <iplop> that's active
thermal
L125[02:10:51] <iplop> near-ir
L126[02:11:29] <iplop> it's a traditional
camera sensor with no infrared filter & an IR optic on it
L127[02:11:41] <Althego> this guy with the
singing pipe... "i will find you, and i will kill
you"
L128[02:11:50] <Althego> worst than the
drillers
L129[02:11:51] <iplop> and it only sees
what's washed with an IR spotlight
L130[02:11:52] <Althego> worse
L131[02:12:26] <Althego> so basically you
cant get real thermal infrared cameras?
L132[02:12:31] <iplop> you can
L133[02:12:37] <iplop> below a certain
grade
L134[02:12:45] <Althego> resolution?
L135[02:12:49] <iplop> that grade isn't
useful for automotive use
L136[02:13:36] <iplop> resolution,
frame-rate, sensor size, type of optics, image processing, certain
types of combined imaging
L137[02:13:53] <iplop> all regulated in
pretty much every country^
L138[02:14:31] <Althego> government...
they not only steal your money but limit you with the power of same
money
L139[02:14:54] <Althego> but this gois
into politics which is not allwoed
L140[02:15:01] <iplop> any useful vehicle
mounted FLIR camera would also require actively cooled optics for
range
L141[02:15:26] <Althego> i always wondered
how these cheap devices work without cooling
L142[02:15:36] <iplop> not well is the
answer
L143[02:15:40] <Althego> hehe
L144[02:15:53] <iplop> or, rather: they're
pretty range limited
L145[02:16:01] <iplop> and accuracy takes
a steep dive with range
L146[02:17:16] <iplop> anyways, my bad for
hijacking the channel :v
L147[02:17:25] <Althego> nothing was
happening anyway
L148[02:17:31] <iplop> the camera I use at
work is on its last leg
L149[02:17:34] <Althego> it seems people
are not excited for 1.5
L150[02:17:39] <Althego> i want those
shiny models
L151[02:17:44] <Althego> i hope even
windows get some shine
L152[02:17:59] <iplop> honestly, irc is
dying O.o
L153[02:18:14] <Althego> maybe
L154[02:18:22] <Althego> it is still going
to outlive facebook :)
L155[02:18:30] <Rolf> irc will outlive
humanity
L156[02:18:31] <iplop> I idle in ~7
channels. Over the last number of years, they've all pretty much
died
L157[02:18:50] <Rolf> discord is taking a
lot but they are still only one server
L158[02:18:53] <Rolf> boom crash
L159[02:19:02] <iplop> I definitely don't
think irc is going away --it'll still have a place
L160[02:19:18] <iplop> I just think things
like discord are wayy more popular at the moment
L161[02:19:47] <Althego> i guess discord
is ok, i still not like how it looks
L162[02:20:24] <iplop> it's a privacy
nightmare :v
L163[02:20:34] <iplop> but everything is
these days
L164[02:20:37] <Althego> what does it
do?
L165[02:20:54] <iplop> 'eh, it logs all
communication forever who knows where
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L167[02:21:10] <Althego> hehe
L168[02:21:31] <Althego> irc is not that
much better. because all the people can log it
L169[02:21:44] <iplop> very true
L170[02:21:49] <iplop> I have logs
goingback to 2002
L171[02:21:50] <Althego> or if not
everybody on the channel is encrypted, it is still capturable
L172[02:21:58] <Althego> from the
outside
L173[02:22:44] <iplop> but then, you could
setup your own irc server without too much difficulty
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L175[02:23:20] <iplop> a third party host
or registration isn't really required
L176[02:23:45] <Althego> the main problem
with irc is that new people are unable to use it
L177[02:24:02] <Althego> many times a day
you can see that somebody joins, nothing happens for 5 seconds,
andthey quit
L178[02:24:39] <iplop> I can definitely
see it being confusing for first time users
L180[02:25:18] <Althego> yes, this is what
i expect
L181[02:25:27] <Althego> i had this
opinion long before this comic
L182[02:26:04] <iplop> haha, I know
someone who refuses to join the discord for a group
L183[02:26:31] <iplop> he sits there in
irc by himself with 3 other people (the 3 others are on discord as
well)
L184[02:26:39] <iplop> 2 other people*
forgot that one is a bot
L185[02:26:47] <Althego> hehe
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L190[02:30:00] <Althego> this is an old
picture
L191[02:30:08] <iplop> lol, yup
L192[02:30:48] <Rolf> yeah been a bit
since I last played sadly
L193[02:30:56] <iplop> same
L194[02:31:31] <Rolf> I love the crazy
flag.
L195[02:31:39] <iplop> I landed on
everything, rescued all my stranded kerbals, and then just started
seeing how fast I could send them outside the solar system
L196[02:32:10] <Rolf> I landed on duna.
well crash landed that left solar panel and computer working
L197[02:32:46] <Rolf> rest of planets
didnt count because I used cheat engine I made a while ago
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L199[02:35:24] <iplop> I only found out
about the cheat modes after I mostly burnt out on ksp ;o
L200[02:35:54] <Rolf> I didnt use any
cheat codes
L201[02:36:06] <Rolf> my engine was quite
powerful and makes its own fuel
L202[02:36:34] <iplop> oh, a modded
part?
L203[02:36:39] <Rolf> yeah
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L207[02:48:00] <kmath> YouTube - Blue
Origin BE-4 Engine Compilation
L208[02:48:36] <Althego> huge
L209[02:48:54] <Althego> but i think
spacex is going to dominate the early game
L210[02:49:04] <Althego> it may change
later
L211[02:49:38] <kubi> do the have the
methane engine ready?
L212[02:49:51] <kubi> or still burning
korosene?
L213[02:49:51] <Althego> neither of them
have it ready
L214[02:50:07] <Althego> but spacex is a
bit ahead with it
L215[02:50:26] <Althego> and they have lot
of success already
L216[02:50:37] <kubi> good
L217[02:51:03] <kubi> when they are ready,
there will be a lot of farmers selling cow poo :)
L218[02:51:30] <Althego> hehe
L219[02:51:55] <Althego> they just need to
put the cows under a dome and collect the methane :)
L220[02:52:25] <kubi> then after launch,
the steak is ready too
L221[03:00:33] <Althego> i didnt say the
dome must be under the rocket
L222[03:00:49] <kubi> it must be if you
want a steak
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L224[03:12:46] <Eddi|zuHause> i read
something a few days ago about an experimental propylene engine
that they're ready to test on an orbital rocket
L225[03:13:03] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know
who "they" is
L226[03:14:21] <Althego> i linked that
:)
L227[03:15:13] <Althego> company and
rocket is called vector
L228[03:15:57] <Althego> hehe, wreck it
ralph 2 trailer with built in rickrolling
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L237[04:00:36] <Fluburtur> weird
birb
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L247[05:05:34] <Althego> i thought by this
time we should have heard from it
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L249[05:05:44] <Rolf> dust is just
starting to clear out
L250[05:05:46] <Althego> and the chances
were good that it survives
L251[05:05:58] <Rolf> so it might finally
get enough sun to restart. or maybe not
L252[05:06:14] <Althego> the issue is
withthe dust on the panels
L253[05:06:17] <Althego> probably
lot
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L263[06:43:22] <Althego> who is stanislav
petrov?
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L265[06:44:02] <Rolf> APlayer: lol
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L271[06:48:45] <Althego> (because of the
latest xkcd)
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L282[07:45:21] <oren> Sending a probe to
Sarnus.
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L285[07:50:00] <oren> not entirely certain
this will be big enough antennas, but whatver
L286[07:58:42] <oren> sucess! my
non-hohmann transfer will get to Sarnus in only 2 years
L287[08:01:16] <Althego> next time i want
a universe where it is easier to travel
L288[08:02:26] <darsie> Second life
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L290[08:12:17] <oren> the sarnus probe is
supplied with a poodle engine and 30 tons of fuel, most of which
was used for the transfer to sarnus. it also has a nuclear reactor
and ion engines for later corrections
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L292[08:16:47] <BadRocketsCo> Howdy
yall
L293[08:17:06] <BadRocketsCo> Could
everyone assist me with EVE a bit?
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L303[08:56:32] <BadRocketsCo> Anyone
on?
L304[08:57:04] <APlayer> My computer is
on, yes. :P
L305[08:59:46] <BadRocketsCo> Hah,
sweet
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L307[09:02:33] <BadRocketsCo> APlayer: Do
you know anything about EVE?
L308[09:03:12] <APlayer> What sort of
thing are you looking for?
L309[09:03:49] <BadRocketsCo> Trying to
change cloud thickness, because I have clouds at ground
level...
L310[09:04:05] <BadRocketsCo> Although
their height is set at 3k
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L312[09:04:30] <APlayer> I don't know a
lot about it in that regard, but you may look for it in the topic.
If there is no info on that there, I suggest you just make a
post
L313[09:04:53] *
APlayer is AFK for a while, be back soon
L314[09:06:25] <BadRocketsCo> Aight
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L345[11:00:30] <RoboFreak> it is always
dark when the important moments come, especially during
docking
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L349[11:03:22] <maltesh> Well, it's not
like you're on a schedule.
L350[11:07:57] <RoboFreak> hehe, i
compared 6 minutes of terror with 7 minutes of terror. the years
between those videos made some of the people in them visibly
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L355[11:11:53] <oren> sending two with
different designs just in case one fails
L356[11:12:26] <Althego> hehe
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L370[12:10:26] <Tank2333> Hi somebody an
expert with android here?
L371[12:11:04] <Althego> no
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L373[12:11:09] <Althego> (i am your
father)
L374[12:11:21] <UmbralRaptor> blarg
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L377[12:13:50] <Althego> installing?
L378[12:13:53] <BPlayer> What's
that?
L379[12:13:55] <Tank2333> Its a tablet and
its suddenly stuck in boot i think
L380[12:14:06] <BPlayer> Tried recovery
mode?
L381[12:14:15] <Tank2333> No
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L383[12:15:38] <Tank2333> Hiw do i acces
that?
L384[12:16:17] <UmbralRaptor> depends on
the model, but usually something like holding power and volume up
while booting.
L385[12:16:23] <Tank2333> Something is
happening
L386[12:16:30] <Tank2333> I can see
light
L387[12:16:31] <Althego> there is a whole
boot menu
L388[12:16:40] <BPlayer> ...at the end of
the tunnel!
L389[12:16:43] <Tank2333> Odd
L390[12:16:47] <Azander> looks like
android is updating itself from that image
L391[12:17:00] <Azander> last time my
tablet did that, it took nearly an hour!
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L393[12:17:37] <Tank2333> Yeah it booted
now, would be nice if it would tell that it is updating....
L394[12:17:57] <Althego> it was that box
and arrow coming out of it
L395[12:18:03] <Althego> so new version
installing
L396[12:18:10] <Tank2333> Yeah its not my
tablet im on a birthday party from my sister
L397[12:19:13] <Tank2333> Well at least i
can tell anybody how great i am with computer stuff and say i fix
it
L398[12:23:09] <BPlayer> Have fun at the
party ;-)
L399[12:24:47] <UmbralRaptor> ^
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L414[13:04:13] <kmath> YouTube - September
27, 2018
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L417[13:06:02] <Fluburtur> nice
L418[13:06:14] <Althego> except it isnt
flying
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L422[13:43:53] <Draconiator> I wonder if
Discord is going to be the thing that finally kills off
IRC...
L423[13:45:10] <Althego> no
L424[13:45:45] <JVFoxy> already knocked
telegram away for some of the staff stuff we do over here
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L426[13:46:01] <Fluburtur> irc is
forever
L427[13:46:11] <Althego> forever alone
:)
L428[13:46:50] <UmbralRaptor> IRC at this
point has outlasted AIM, ICQ, Gtalk, and some of the oddness built
into G+.
L429[13:47:01] <umaxtu> don't forget
google wave
L430[13:48:33] <Althego> myspace?
L431[13:48:42] <umaxtu> google wave was
the shit
L432[13:48:46] <Althego> or in hungary iwi
(which was another social site)
L433[13:48:50] <Althego> *iwiw
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L435[13:54:33] <JVFoxy> Hm...
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L459[15:43:28] *
darsie dropped another Kerbal out of Kerbin orbit.
L460[15:51:57] <BPlayer> How did it reach
the surface? In one piece, I hope?
L461[15:58:53] <UmbralRaptop> Was it in 1
piece after landing?
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L464[16:05:14] <darsie> I slowed it down
from 70.5 km with 3.1 EVA fuel, went horizontal at 1000 m and just
for realism righted her at 100 m before splashdown.
L465[16:05:45] <darsie> Impact hurt and
she fell unconscious, but survived.
L466[16:06:09] <UmbralRaptor> yay
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L468[16:06:55] <darsie> or maybe at 50
m.
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L470[16:07:52] <darsie> I miss Kerbal lift
during skydiving.
L471[16:10:13] <BPlayer> RUD: Rapid
unplanned descent.
L472[16:11:13] <darsie> It was very
planned. I even waited till the contract showed up.
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L488[17:12:06] <darsie> That's a weird
rifle.
L489[17:12:23] <Fluburtur> it's not a
rifle, is a mg
L490[17:12:40] <darsie> Are MGs
rifled?
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L494[17:21:33] <kmath> <✔Strippin>
When a live active hornets nest threatens the BBQ sometimes you
gotta just grab it and dive into the pool
https://t.co/2J7sYfRmms
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L496[17:23:22] <Rolf> dont do that for
bees they will wait and laugh at you
L497[17:24:37] <Rolf> wasps either
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L517[19:28:45] <Rolf> meh just walk it off
wimp
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L530[21:15:34] *
darsie dropped another Kerbal out of Kerbin orbit and he swam to
the beach.
L531[21:15:55] <Rolf> orbit to land in
just space suit?
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L533[21:16:55] <iplop> P/p
L534[21:16:59] <iplop> O.o *
L535[21:17:06] <Rolf> iplop: someone did
it
L536[21:17:12] <Rolf> look for 3 part ship
to mun
L537[21:17:35] <darsie> Rolf: yes
L538[21:17:36] <iplop> That's something I
never got to work
L539[21:17:48] <iplop> I tried so many
times to land lone kerbals
L540[21:17:54] <Rolf> apparently you hit
head first then body
L542[21:17:59] <kmath> YouTube - KSP: To
the Mun and Back Using Only 3 Parts
L543[21:18:01] <Rolf> third hard impact
would die
L544[21:19:10] <darsie> Does the pilot
count as part?
L545[21:19:21] <Rolf> apparently not
L546[21:34:12] <iplop> how long has the
helmet trick/bug been in game? O.o
L547[21:36:06] <darsie> dunno
L548[21:36:43] <darsie> I was able to land
on slopes, but now that Kerbals don't have lift anymore that's even
more unreliable.
L549[21:37:24] <darsie> So, in a way I
successfully lithobraked.
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L551[22:13:54] <Rolf> iplop: dunno its
been always truye that helmets is tougher than rest of space
suit
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