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L20[04:38:16] <Mat2ch> Is it just me or are
there very few SpaceX launches currently?
L21[04:38:36] <Althego> there is a bit of a
break now
L22[04:38:49] <Althego> they still do one
third of all launches
L23[04:39:05] <Althego> break meaning you
have to wait 10 more days
L24[04:39:16] <Mat2ch> Isn't it hurricane
season? That would explain the pause.
L25[04:39:36] <Mat2ch> also how good does
KSP run on a Ryzen 2700?
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L27[04:56:51] <Truga> probably just
fine
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L30[05:46:50] <Rolf> 2013
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L49[08:23:52] <Eddi|zuHause> compromise
proposal: the G in GIF should be spoken like in "van
Gogh"
L50[08:24:41] <sandbox> but we can't even
agree on that
L51[08:25:02] <Eddi|zuHause> (that's the
joke, man)
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L56[08:35:03] <VanDisaster> is there likely
to be a 1.5? I really haven't been keeping up, just got a bug to
build a new mod install recently
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L58[08:36:17] <Eddi|zuHause> in what
timeframe?
L59[08:36:39] <VanDisaster> 4 months?
L60[08:36:52] <VanDisaster> however long it
takes me to get fed up again :P
L61[08:37:52] <Gasher[work]> in two weeks
obv
L62[08:37:55] <VanDisaster> I'm still
running a 1.1 game with all it's horrors just because I didn't want
to try replicating all the mod installs from it
L63[08:38:20] <VanDisaster> actually I
think I still have a 0.95 game I wanted to do stuff in
L64[08:38:48] <Eddi|zuHause> first version
i had was 1.0.5
L65[08:40:05] <VanDisaster> 0.18,
iirc
L66[08:40:11] <VanDisaster> that's also
still installed somewhere
L67[08:40:26] <mabus> i follow the
pronounciation specified in the headers of the first GIF upon
setting the standard
L68[08:40:36] <mabus> its not like this was
unsettled until millenials came around...
L69[08:40:53] <VanDisaster> i forgot if
it's guh-if or jif
L70[08:41:03] <mabus> "jiff, like
peanut butter"
L71[08:41:07] <mabus> is in the headers of
the first gif
L72[08:41:36] <VanDisaster> literally
everyone i've ever worked with has pronounced it the other way
:P
L73[08:41:51] <mabus> so did obama. that's
fine, we are speaking english. its fine if understood.
L74[08:42:01] <mabus> but it's more wrong
to call jiff wrong than it is the other way around :P
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L77[08:44:17] <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't even
know calling it "jiff" was an option until like 3 years
ago
L78[08:44:57] <VanDisaster> I've known
since I first started in the IT world, I just didn't care &
forgot :)
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L80[08:47:21] <VanDisaster> ah
L81[08:47:26] <VanDisaster> the easy way is
to think of "gin"
L82[08:48:35] <Eddi|zuHause> you should
write to the city of Gifhorn to change their pronunciation
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L85[08:55:56] <Eddi|zuHause> VanDisaster: i
don't think "X is spelled like Y, so it should be pronounced
the same way" is a particularly strong argument in the english
language
L86[08:56:56] <VanDisaster> no, but there's
a rule of thumb that g before i is not a hard g
L87[08:57:20] <Eddi|zuHause> like the
"g" in "give"?
L88[08:57:41] <VanDisaster> it's english,
it's full of holes :)
L89[08:58:13] <Eddi|zuHause> that's what
i'm trying to say. for every rule you want to come up with, there
are more exceptions than words that follow the rule
L90[08:58:36] <Eddi|zuHause> it just
doesn't work that way...
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L92[09:01:31] <Eddi|zuHause> besides i
can't take this whole discussion serious anyway, i'd very strongly
argue that "give" is closer to "gif" than
"gin" to "gif"
L94[09:03:05] <Eddi|zuHause> and if you
look at the pronunciation of "g" across various european
languages, you find at least 8 different ways to pronounce it
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L103[09:39:49] <Eddi|zuHause> interesting
side bit about the "if it comes from german, pronounce it with
a hard g", in german, while the "hard g" is the most
prevalent, there are some regional dialects where the "g"
is pronounced more like the "ye" in "yesterday"
[which, coincidentally, is a cognate to german
"gestern"]
L104[09:43:20] <Truga> g is pronounced as
the g in gestapo
L105[09:43:36] <Truga> any other reading
is objectively wrong, also english is the worst :p
L106[09:44:18] <VanDisaster> my german
teacher was irish
L107[09:44:21] <VanDisaster> now imagine
my german accent
L108[09:44:32] <Truga> my german teacher
was from sweden
L109[09:44:41] <Truga> i still only know
like 5 words of german :v
L110[09:44:42] <Eddi|zuHause> my german
teacher was from berlin
L111[09:45:21] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know
which of these is worse :p
L112[09:46:15] <Althego> hehe irish german
teacher :)
L113[09:46:26] <Truga> the person from
berlin probably taught much better conversationally useful german
:p
L114[09:46:54] <Eddi|zuHause> well, it's
different if you learn german as a native language, but that is
besides the point :p
L115[09:47:03] <Truga> yeah that too I
guess
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L117[09:47:31] <Truga> I forgot more about
my native language classes than I ever knew german probably
:p
L118[09:48:22] <Eddi|zuHause> i tend to
forget only the useful stuff, i know lots of silly details
L119[09:48:32] <Truga> same
L120[09:49:02] <Truga> i still have all
the stupid freelancer points of interest memorized in my head, i
haven't played the game in over 10 years ama :P
L121[09:49:16] <Eddi|zuHause> like when we
learned the english word "dunno", which immediately
became the favourite word of half the class :p
L122[09:49:57] <Althego> hehe
L123[09:50:07] <Truga> dunno is a great
word
L124[09:50:26] <Eddi|zuHause> but that was
like 5 years into learning english
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L126[09:52:27] <Eddi|zuHause> i had 8
years of english in school, but still couldn't really follow a
conversation, until i joined the internet and had an actual place
to use it
L127[09:52:41] <Truga> I learned a bunch
of english by playing a lot of monkey island and figuring things
out
L128[09:52:44] <Truga> it was the
best
L129[09:53:01] <Eddi|zuHause> my monkey
island was in german, so that didn't work :p
L130[09:53:12] <Truga> rip
L131[09:53:17] <VanDisaster> 11 years of
french, could speak it like a native, and now I can't remember any
because I never get to use it :(
L132[09:53:39] <Truga> watch french
films/read books imo
L133[09:53:44] <Truga> tons of really good
french content
L134[09:54:09] <Eddi|zuHause> in monkey
island 2 there was an easter egg, where you could "phone
support" in the jungle, and the german translator put a line
in there about how most of the english jokes are
untranslatable
L136[09:54:18] <kmath> YouTube - Amazing
Experiment Actually Makes Black Fire! The Shadow Fire
Experiment
L138[09:54:34] <kmath> YouTube - Ich bin
malade
L139[09:54:52] <Eddi|zuHause> Ich bin
marmelade?
L140[09:55:01] <Truga> close enough
L141[09:55:45] <Eddi|zuHause>
unfortunately, all those films are in german here as well
L143[09:56:21] <kmath> YouTube - Nein! -
Doch! - Ohh!
L144[09:57:47] <Eddi|zuHause> (this is a
typical example of the correct usage of the word "Doch",
which doesn't have a good translation into english)
L145[09:58:08] <Eddi|zuHause> (or french,
for that matter)
L146[09:58:22] <Althego> hehe, nein doch
oh, sounds so funny
L147[09:58:49] <Eddi|zuHause> this scene
became quite a meme in the german internet
L148[10:01:52] <Truga> if you want to see
some primo german dub material, i highly recommend starwars episode
4 in german
L149[10:02:19] <VanDisaster> doch makes me
wonder how anyone can complain about english :P
L150[10:02:22] <Truga> aka the only thing
that kept me from flunking in highschool :D
L151[10:03:21] <Althego> hehe
L152[10:03:34] <Althego> star trek taught
me most of german :)
L153[10:03:53] <Truga> hehe
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L156[10:34:14] <Althego> i dont believe
it. reds rhetoric retires from the flat earth debate
L157[10:34:31] <Althego> kind of
understandable, it is a useless effort
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L160[10:43:19] <Mat2ch> What or who is
Reds Rhetoric?
L161[10:44:32] <Althego> a big anti flat
earther youtuber
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L167[10:59:15] <mabus> only in [current
year] can you get big doing that
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L169[11:02:36] <Mat2ch> Althego: well,
about time. You can't discuss with stupid people. They pull you
down on their level and then beat you with experience
L171[11:04:37] <Fluburtur> still to find a
name for my brand, I even got rulo6000 on the case
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L178[11:13:50] <Eddi|zuHause> they spelled
behaviour wrong, their point is invalid.
L179[11:14:00] <Althego> hehe
L180[11:14:16] <Althego> they cant help
it,they are americans
L181[11:14:47] <Althego> although i am
starting to adapt that way, because some programs dont know about
that u :)
L182[11:16:26] <Eddi|zuHause> i think my
first clash with that was between "grey" and
"gray"
L183[11:16:33] <Althego> i hate that
L184[11:16:43] <Althego> once i found out
about that i cant remember which one to use
L185[11:17:08] <Eddi|zuHause> whichever
one i used, all the programming languages ever used the other
one
L186[11:18:49] <Eddi|zuHause> mind you
that i learned prorgamming before i learned english
L187[11:21:00] <UmbralRaptop>
0xBBBBBB
L188[11:22:05] <Eddi|zuHause> colours
weren't really expressed as RGB back then
L189[11:22:49] <darsie> or colors
L190[11:23:10] <Eddi|zuHause> you had
light grey (which is a dark colour) with the number 7 and dark grey
(which is a light colour) with the number 8
L191[11:23:37] <Althego> meaningless
anyway, since any rgb only represents a fraction of the visible
spectrum
L192[11:23:55] <Althego> all that progress
in technology, why not make that tiny triangle bigger?
L193[11:24:37] <Eddi|zuHause> if you work
in printing, there's some crazy colour spaces out there
L194[11:24:46] <Althego> they are not much
bigger
L195[11:24:51] <Althego> just
different
L196[11:25:08] <Eddi|zuHause> it all
depends on how pure of a primary colour you can manufacture
L197[11:25:25] <Althego> it depends what
colors you can make
L198[11:25:47] <Althego> and it seems some
decades ago they could only do a tiny part, and we are stuck since
then
L199[11:25:58] <Eddi|zuHause> but the real
problem is, if you want to have a bigger colour space, you need to
add more primary colours
L200[11:26:16] <Althego> that is one, but
the biggest is, the 3 colors are too close
L201[11:26:19] <Althego> have to move
them
L202[11:26:25] <Althego> also need
more
L203[11:26:38] <Althego> bit with 4 it
would be more or less ok
L204[11:26:46] <Althego> if they were in
the right positions
L205[11:27:44] <darsie> I guess the demand
is too little.
L206[11:27:45] <Eddi|zuHause> but even if
you solved that, then you get into the "proliferating
standards" problem
L207[11:27:57] <Althego> xkcd style?
L208[11:28:19] <Eddi|zuHause> yes,
that
L209[11:28:47] <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, to
really map the whole visible colour space, you need an infinite
amount of primary colours
L210[11:29:05] <Eddi|zuHause> everything
else is an approximation
L211[11:30:13] <Eddi|zuHause> and then you
still haven't solved the problem with environment/lighting
L212[11:30:36] <Althego> i know that. but
why not make the approximation better?
L213[11:30:54] <Althego> with leds now
they can change the light they emit
L214[11:31:03] <Althego> also possible
with lasers
L215[11:31:07] <Althego> make soem new
technology
L216[11:31:09] <Althego> impress me
L217[11:31:12] <Althego> no, nothing is
happening
L218[11:31:19] <Althego> same old boring
colors
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L221[11:40:12] <Eddi|zuHause> but why
would you build, say, a screen with 4 primary colour, when all data
you will ever get will be in RGB?
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L223[11:40:50] <Althego> no, lot of cgi
today
L224[11:41:05] <Althego> also obviously
camera technology would need to follow
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L226[11:42:45] <Eddi|zuHause> they
developed 3D camera technology which nobody ever uses. except for
Avatar, every 3D movie ever was either animated or up-rendered
2D
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L228[11:43:47] <darsie> Cameras could be
improvised with filter wheels.
L229[11:43:54] <darsie> Like astro
cams.
L230[11:44:20] <Althego> inverse
projectors :)
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L232[11:44:58] <JVFoxy> Cameras... old
tech, need something new... or so the attitude seem to go with a
lot of things these days
L233[11:45:40] <Eddi|zuHause> darsie: not
sure what that would solve...
L234[11:46:09] <darsie> Eddi|zuHause:
Example pics so ppl could see what they're missing.
L235[11:46:24] <darsie> And if it's worth
the expense.
L236[11:46:53] <darsie> I guess it'll
remain a niche product.
L237[11:47:12] <darsie> Like audiophile
stuff.
L238[11:48:21] <Eddi|zuHause> that's the
point, the current way is "good enough" in the sense that
there is no big leap forward possible that will make
"everyone" want to have the new stuff (like when TVs
switched from black and white to colour)
L239[11:48:24] <darsie> Now adding smell,
taste, tactile would be a huge difference.
L240[11:49:04] <oren> I think HDR will be
a big thing before we switch to something else beside RGB
L242[11:50:02] <oren> yeah
L243[11:50:41] <darsie> I wish I had a
higher DR range webcam. Sucks to have one side of the face over and
the other side underexposed.
L244[11:51:11] <oren> it involves less
rewriting of all the graphics code compared to swithcing to a
totally new colour space
L245[11:51:14] <darsie> Window is to my
right.
L246[11:51:56] <Eddi|zuHause> now imagine
if you also had a dark skin tone :p
L247[11:52:34] <Eddi|zuHause> ever tried
photographing a black cat?
L248[11:52:53] *
darsie thinks about face tracking webcams that won't track black
ppl.
L249[11:53:07] <Althego> if you move the
triangle vertices symmetrically and keep the triangle, you dont
need new code, colors just become richer
L250[11:53:17] <Althego> but they didnt
even do that
L252[11:55:53] <kmath> YouTube - How A
Gold Bullet Almost Destroyed A Space Shuttle
L253[11:56:05] <Althego> that is old scott
manley
L254[11:56:17] <lordcirth> Great video
that really shows how scary rockets are
L255[11:56:24] <lordcirth> Aug 2018?
That's not old
L256[11:56:30] <Althego> it is riding a
continuous explosion
L257[11:56:53] <Eddi|zuHause> rule of the
internet: if you've already seen it, it's old.
L258[11:56:56] <Althego> so of course it
is dangerous and scary. kind of insane
L259[11:57:18] <Eddi|zuHause> someone
posted the same link 2 hours ago? old...
L260[11:57:59] <Eddi|zuHause> now, i must
go shopping, or my cats will eat me...
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L266[12:19:51] <Althego> it is cold
L267[12:20:01] <Althego> no heating
yet
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L270[12:30:08] <Guest90650> HI, I would
like to buy the KSP game, but Im not sure if the notebook will run
it
L271[12:30:52] <Guest90650> I have 16gb
ram I7 8zh gen but the grafic card is intel UHD 620
L272[12:32:12] <Althego> it will run it,
but "ymmv", meaning framerate could be low
L273[12:32:33] <Althego> ksp is cpu heavy
because of physics simulation, so the better single threaded
performance you have the faster it will be
L274[12:33:47] <Althego> it worked for me
on a 17 watt laptop cpu
L275[12:34:59] <Guest90650> how low could
be the frame rate? Will it be playable?
L276[12:35:10] <Guest90650> And thanks for
the answer
L277[12:38:35] <Guest90650> 40 fps is
enough I suppose
L278[12:38:48] <Althego> the tdp would
tell more
L279[12:39:05] <Althego> but from a laptop
i would not expect a stellar performance
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L281[12:39:14] <Guest90650> me too
L282[12:39:26] <transitbiker> bwoop
L284[12:39:36] <Althego> for example a 35
w tdp i gous it would be playable
L285[12:39:39] <Guest90650> but the only
think I want it not to be laggy
L286[12:39:57] <Althego> but the more
parts you have in the ship the lower your framerate is
L287[12:40:37] <Guest90650> i
understand
L288[12:40:55] <Guest90650> but im not
going to build like half world ships
L289[12:40:57] <Guest90650> hah
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L295[12:57:53] <kmath> YouTube - Weezer -
Africa (starring Weird Al Yankovic)
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L307[14:03:07] <transitbiker> yessss weird
al!
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L327[15:02:29] <Eddi|zuHause> not strictly
what i expected from a video with "starring weird al" in
the title
L328[15:03:14] <mabus> the first concert i
ever went to was weird al
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