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L1[00:00:13] <PirateAE> Althego ? What am i putting in for T2 and A2? Semi major axis or what?
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L6[00:07:43] <Draconiator> https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/elon-musk-works-many-hours-171951804.html
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L8[00:15:58] <Althego> lol
L9[00:16:15] <Althego> otherwise if i have time i am goingto pity him (not really)
L10[00:16:30] <Althego> he does not need to work if he does not want to. so he does that to himself
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L15[00:23:13] <JVFoxy> sigh.. seems the website I use to track satellites with is semi borked... something used in their map scripts was changed and.. well.. no one's bothering to update things
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L71[08:49:04] <Blaank> The Director General of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, says the 2mm hole detected on the International Space Station (ISS) last week was caused deliberately by someone using a drill, and that an investigation is under way to find out who is responsible.
L72[08:49:05] <Blaank> wat
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L74[09:01:36] <APlayer> There was a hole?
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L76[09:05:14] <APlayer> TBH, that sounds much less dramatic: https://bgr.com/2018/09/04/iss-hole-russian-energia/
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L84[09:36:01] <Blaank> Yeah, there was a 2mm hole and it's been since fixed.
L85[09:36:13] <gartral> APlayer: yes, and it was fixed (mostly) by a patch of duct tape (yes, some air will leak still, but it's better than a 2mm hole in the hull)
L86[09:36:29] <gartral> lol Blaank
L87[09:36:58] <Blaank> They took a sleep cycle while it was leaking because they discovered it at bedtime.
L88[09:37:08] <Blaank> It wasn't a huge deal
L89[09:37:11] <APlayer> I.e. "the crew quickly came up with a plan to repair it" = "the crew quickly fixed it with MOAR duct tape"?
L90[09:37:24] <Blaank> And when they found it they plugged it with their finger while someone else went and got the duct tape.
L91[09:37:34] <legion> wan't it in the russian built part of the base?
L92[09:37:36] <Blaank> No, official station patch material.
L93[09:37:44] <Blaank> It's in a russian module.
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L95[09:37:53] <Blaank> Initially thought to be micrometorite impact.
L96[09:38:01] <legion> would have expected them to hammer it then...
L97[09:38:12] <Althego> wasnt it the orbital part of a soyuz?
L98[09:38:19] <Blaank> It should be quite easy to figure out what made it.
L99[09:38:34] <Blaank> Each tool has unique clues.
L100[09:38:38] <Blaank> or event if not a tool
L101[09:38:43] <gartral> yea, a hole that small isn't catastraphic hull integrity failure, it did leak about a months worth of oxygen before they fixed it though (again, not a huge deal, more of an annoyance)
L102[09:39:40] <Blaank> I think it has 6 months of supplies at minimum.
L103[09:40:14] <Blaank> And it has the ability to evac all crew in a few minutes.
L104[09:40:20] <Althego> was it an accidentally drilled and glued hole?
L105[09:40:26] <Blaank> Who can then initiate landing probably within 45 minutes.
L106[09:40:29] <gartral> it was also re-fixed better with epoxy, appearently
L107[09:41:15] <Blaank> diliberately created means it wasn't an accident.
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L109[09:41:26] <Blaank> But it's the russian agency so I don't really trust anything they say.
L110[09:41:49] <gartral> you can deliberatly drill a hole in something and accidentally have your measurments wrong
L111[09:41:53] <Althego> i wouldnt trust anything the american government says either
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L113[09:42:10] <Blaank> NASA has repeatedly giving the finger to other arms of the government.
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L115[09:43:50] <gartral> it *COULD* have been something as innoculous as they were drilling a hole to fix a box or curtain to the wall, and they just drilled too much or in the wrong place, that would be a deliberate hole causing an accidental leak
L116[09:45:12] <Blaank> fair enough
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L118[09:47:03] <gartral> or it could be one of the russian cosmonauts went crazy... in anycase, it being in the Soyuz module, it wouldn't be difficult to outright replace it on the next resupply (not that it would be cheap, but wouldn't be hard)
L119[09:48:22] <Blaank> Wonder how close it is to retirement anyway.
L120[09:48:53] <Blaank> I know shuttles were made ones and resused or repaired no matter what but the soyuz doesn't actually return much. and if it's the orbital part then it gets burned up anyway.
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L122[09:51:57] <Deddly> The hole was in the Soyuz itself.
L123[09:52:27] <Deddly> So not actually the space station like most people seem to be reporting
L124[09:52:38] <Deddly> Oh yeah, you already said that
L125[09:55:44] <gartral> i mean.. for the sake of argument... the Soyuz, once docked.. IS part of the station, it's treated as a semi-permenate part of the structure that gets frequent replacements
L126[09:56:01] <Althego> it can spend months there
L127[09:56:08] <gartral> permenant*
L128[09:56:13] <Althego> permanent :)
L129[09:56:58] <gartral> there are certain words that my brain just gives up on, permanent is one >.<
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L131[09:58:18] <Deddly> True
L132[09:58:42] <Althego> what would they do if the hole is bigger?
L133[09:59:10] <Althego> how can the depressurization be restricted to a smaller zone of the station?
L134[09:59:49] <Althego> the modules have their airlocks, but usually there is always something in the way
L135[10:00:14] <gartral> I would say anything up to about 4.5-5 mm would be treated as an "Oh... shit... " moment, larger? they might have sealed off that bulkhead and done a space walk to asses and affect repairs
L136[10:00:24] <Deddly> ...
L137[10:00:33] <Deddly> gartral, please mind the language
L138[10:00:41] <Althego> mind the gap :)
L139[10:00:42] <gartral> sorry
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L141[10:02:53] <Deddly> Althego, I believe they closed all the sections one by one to search for the breach, so...
L142[10:03:17] <Althego> but that is not really an emergency procedure but a debugging
L143[10:03:32] <gartral> and yea, well.. if it was deemed necessary, they'd have moved whatever was in the way and sealed the section anyway, probably also cut off utility supply as well
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L145[10:05:02] <gartral> keep in mind, the Cupula module has a leak as well... the equivelent of a 5mm hole
L146[10:05:25] <Althego> it has several holes at least, for the window covers
L147[10:05:35] <Althego> surely it leaks somewhat there
L148[10:05:40] <gartral> yep
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L150[10:06:46] <gartral> and the external umbillical hookup leaks a bit as well, but the US/EU side is waiting on a new grommet to repair that
L151[10:07:07] <gartral> and that's only exposed to vaccum on a spacewalk
L152[10:08:30] <gartral> and I think they have a crack in the lab from where the canada arm dinged the can? I know it's dented
L153[10:11:03] <gartral> in any case... the point is, a hole in the station isn't new, and a 2mm hole is hardly an emergency, it's like waking up one day and finding the passanger-side window in your car is stuck shut... it's annoying, but hardly a major issue
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L156[10:13:44] <Althego> i guess they have to make up the difference for the mixing oxygen by peeing a lot :)
L157[10:13:50] <Althego> if cringe was here
L158[10:14:34] <Deddly> Eh?
L159[10:15:08] <Althego> important part of oxygen reclamation
L160[10:15:57] <Deddly> Ah
L161[10:16:03] <Althego> and cringe routinely reports the urine tank level :)
L162[10:16:11] <Deddly> Oh they could hold their breath ;)
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L164[10:17:26] <Althego> iss urine tank level 55%
L165[10:17:52] <Althego> https://isslive.com/displays/ethosDisplay3.html
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L167[10:18:29] <gartral> Deddly: actually, no... it's very very important that you do NOT hold your breath in a LPOX environment, it rapidly raises your blood pressure and can cause nitrogen bubbles to form in your blood when the pressure goes back down
L168[10:18:57] <Deddly> Well, it wasn't a serious suggestion :P
L169[10:19:01] <Althego> best way to go into vacuum is by breating out before it
L170[10:19:45] <Deddly> Althego, I'd argue that the best way would be to go inside a spacecraft
L171[10:20:15] <Althego> yes but if you have to go into vacuum without a spacesuit
L172[10:20:22] <Deddly> Ah!
L173[10:20:23] <Deddly> ;)
L174[10:20:59] <Deddly> Arthur Dent and Ford Prefect held their breath, IIRC
L175[10:21:20] <Althego> and that is stupid
L176[10:21:28] <Althego> even some cartoon caracters are smarter
L177[10:21:51] <Althego> intermission: wintergatan
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L179[10:22:06] <gartral> yep
L180[10:22:29] <Deddly> In all seriousness, entering the vacuum of space would be horrifying without a spacesuit. Your blood would boil
L181[10:22:35] <Althego> no
L182[10:22:43] <Althego> because your skin is keeping it pressurized
L183[10:22:45] <gartral> not immediately
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L185[10:23:01] <Althego> but it would stell feel horrible
L186[10:24:01] <Althego> i cant find the scene now. specifically in titan a.e. where they float from one smaller ship to a bigger one through the vacuum
L187[10:24:09] <Althego> the older guy says theb reath out
L188[10:24:37] <gartral> god I love that movie
L189[10:25:33] <UmbralRaptor> ;tell supernovy https://twitter.com/astrocrash/status/1037141272346157056
L190[10:25:33] <kmath> UmbralRaptor: I'll let supernovy know when I see them
L191[10:25:33] <kmath> <astrocrash> Today we posted a paper on the ArXiv about a fun discovery (also in @AAS_ResNotes): A 14-year old IIP supernova tha… https://t.co/c8vP5Xx9Ez
L192[10:25:40] <Deddly> Interesting: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/survival-in-space-unprotected-possible/
L193[10:26:34] <Deddly> "one 1965 study by researchers at the Brooks Air Force Base in Texas showed that dogs exposed to near vacuum—one three-hundred-eightieth of atmospheric pressure at sea level—for up to 90 seconds always survived"
L194[10:27:32] <Deddly> Poor dogs, though :/
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L196[10:28:07] <Althego> a human could survive too. the bigger problem is maintining consciousness for more than 10 seconds
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L199[10:29:14] <Deddly> Let's assume you got rescued after 90 seconds. Wouldn't you have to also contend with extreme tissue damage due to the cold temperature?
L200[10:29:33] <Deddly> Well...
L201[10:29:56] <Deddly> I guess vacuum is a great insulator, so maybe you'd not lose too much heat from your skin?
L202[10:31:01] <Deddly> "In a pair of papers from NASA in 1965 and 1967, researchers found that chimpanzees could survive up to 3.5 minutes in near-vacuum conditions with no apparent cognitive defects"
L203[10:31:04] <hoglahoo> should be fine as long as you remembered to take your little hand warmers
L204[10:32:07] <Deddly> LOL
L205[10:32:12] <UmbralRaptor> Yeah, tissue damage is only a big deal if you hold your breath
L206[10:32:27] <Deddly> Oh hey, actual experience of a human in a vacuum:
L207[10:32:45] <Deddly> " in 1965 a technician inside a vacuum chamber at Johnson Space Center in Houston accidentally depressurized his space suit by disrupting a hose. After 12 to 15 seconds he lost consciousness. He regained it at 27 seconds, after his suit was repressurized to about half that of sea level. The man reported that his last memory before blacking out was of the moisture on his tongue beginning to boil as well as a loss of taste
L208[10:32:45] <Deddly> sensation that lingered for four days following the accident, but he was otherwise unharmed."
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L210[10:33:33] <SnoopJeDi> describing vacuum as an "insulator" isn't great, it's...not a material
L211[10:33:59] <Deddly> SnoopJeDi, yes, but think "vacuum flask"
L212[10:34:26] <SnoopJeDi> Deddly, right, whose entire premise is set on the opposite of what you just said
L213[10:34:28] <Deddly> There are even vacuum insulation panels that give great insulation
L214[10:34:34] <SnoopJeDi> i.e. that vacuum isn't a material and therefore doesn't conduct
L215[10:34:40] <Deddly> Yes
L216[10:34:41] <SnoopJeDi> (and radiative effects are tiny)
L217[10:34:59] <Deddly> So vacuum is essentially an insulator
L218[10:35:00] <SnoopJeDi> so one assumes that if you weren't moving around much you'd quickly boil off moisture from your skin and have a little air cocoon
L219[10:35:04] <SnoopJeDi> no
L220[10:35:19] <Deddly> in that it does not conduct heat
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L222[10:35:49] <SnoopJeDi> Insulators are materials
L223[10:36:05] <SnoopJeDi> You can move plenty of heat through vacuum, which is why radiator panels are a thing
L224[10:36:46] <SnoopJeDi> humans don't radiate much though!
L225[10:36:52] <SnoopJeDi> (lucky us)
L226[10:37:18] <Deddly> I mean... are we talking semantics or what?
L227[10:37:38] <SnoopJeDi> correct
L228[10:37:53] <Deddly> Heat can be radiated, and can also be conducted
L229[10:37:55] <Deddly> Right?
L230[10:38:10] <SnoopJeDi> the semantics between a model of the caloric, and a model that matches the real world
L231[10:38:26] <Deddly> A vacuum will allow radiated heat to pass unimpeded, but it will not conduct heat
L232[10:38:52] <SnoopJeDi> eh. "radiated heat" is pretty caloric-y
L233[10:39:05] <SnoopJeDi> "heat" is just moving energy around
L234[10:39:08] <SnoopJeDi> it's not a thing per se
L235[10:39:21] <Deddly> In the sense that a vacuum does not conduct heat, it is effectively an insulator
L236[10:39:22] <SnoopJeDi> cf. why do ice cubes melt
L237[10:39:54] <SnoopJeDi> Deddly, for some value of "insulator" that will surely confuse anyone who is familiar with the scientific term, sure
L238[10:40:09] <SnoopJeDi> no accounting for preference when it comes to a desire to be understood
L239[10:40:54] <Deddly> OK if we're being semantic, I'll say that the solar system is a great insulator because it has a lot of vacuum in it ;)
L240[10:41:16] <SnoopJeDi> the universe is an insulator
L241[10:41:18] <SnoopJeDi> pack it up bois
L242[10:42:27] <Deddly> OK so what would be the correct way to express that idea? Maybe I should have just said that a vacuum doesn't conduct heat
L243[10:43:04] <SnoopJeDi> it would be better to wonder at what rate heat can be lost from skin
L244[10:43:29] <SnoopJeDi> radiative channel should be about the same, so we can basically ignore it, evaporative cooling is probably the main effect
L245[10:43:44] <Deddly> That's a good point
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L247[10:45:20] <Deddly> https://www.quora.com/How-long-would-it-take-for-a-human-being-to-freeze-solid-in-outer-space
L248[10:45:47] <SnoopJeDi> oh huh, that's large
L249[10:46:19] <SnoopJeDi> I guess that stands to reason, 2.7 K is a smidge colder than room temp :)
L250[10:47:03] <Deddly> But we're more interested in how long before loss of heat would damage your body rather than freeze you solid
L251[10:47:07] <SnoopJeDi> that's a nice upper bound though, since it doesn't account for water loss
L252[10:47:26] <SnoopJeDi> I'm guessing you'd be dead/unconscious well before that'd be a problem
L253[10:47:37] <SnoopJeDi> the brain's good for what, 3 minutes without oxygen, tops?
L254[10:48:15] <Deddly> According to the discussion above, chimpanzees can survive about 3.5 minutes in a vacuum
L255[10:49:06] <Deddly> So let's assume we don't want to be floating unconscious in space for longer than that
L256[10:49:14] <SnoopJeDi> I think that's fair
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L258[10:50:29] <Deddly> If you're unfortunate, you'll be thrown out of the airlock in the shadow of the earth
L259[10:50:41] <Deddly> Or fortunate, if you don't want a sun tan
L260[10:50:47] <petti> better put sunscreen on if you are gonna be nekkid in space
L261[10:51:38] <Deddly> Remind me to add that to my checklist when the time comes
L262[10:52:06] <petti> better add it now, that's just the kind of thing you always forget
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L264[10:52:31] <SnoopJeDi> don't forget to take a towel
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L267[10:54:40] <gartral> i want a spray-on space suit
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L269[10:56:23] <Deddly> "Because you will be exposed to unfiltered cosmic radiation, you can expect some nasty sunburn, and you'll probably also get a case of decompression sickness.You would not, however, freeze straight away, despite the extremely cold temperatures; heat does not leave the body quickly enough for you to freeze before you suffocate, due to the lack of both convection and conduction."
L270[10:56:28] <Deddly> https://www.cnet.com/news/what-happens-to-the-unprotected-human-body-in-space/
L271[10:57:08] <gartral> grab can, shake, and seal yourself in a bubble of some polymer... might only give you a half hour if it offgasses oxygen, but that would be 26 minutes you didn't otherwise have
L272[10:59:37] <Deddly> But that still doesn't account for evaporative cooling, like SnoopJeDi mentions
L273[11:02:44] <UmbralRaptor> unrelated https://twitter.com/cosmos4u/status/1037356102478966785
L274[11:02:44] <kmath> <cosmos4u> Yes, the Southern Cross can be seen - all four stars of the cross - from Tenerife at 28°18' North, thanks to refrac… https://t.co/MLDe0ITetF
L275[11:02:50] <Deddly> gartral, I think I would prefer a regular space suit
L276[11:04:06] <Deddly> UmbralRaptor, cool!
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L278[11:11:00] <Deddly> UmbralRaptor, I remember reading about atmospheric refraction in Antarctica causing a recurring sunset-sunrise that lasted for hours
L279[11:11:28] <Deddly> Sun goes down... "that's the last we'll se of the sun for 6 months" ... sun comes back up again
L280[11:11:31] <gartral> Deddly: obviously.. but this is an "in case of emergency" thing that you can grab if you've found yourself unprotected in a cycling air lock
L281[11:12:21] <Deddly> gartral, how about something built into your clothes that releases automatically if it senses a sudden loss of pressure?
L282[11:12:36] <gartral> might be a bit bulky
L283[11:13:01] <Deddly> I don't know what substance would be strong enough to provide a protective shield
L284[11:13:52] <SnoopJeDi> the helmet in Prey seems to work a lot like this
L285[11:14:09] <SnoopJeDi> although the caveat there is that the helmet attaches to a suit :)
L286[11:15:17] <gartral> hell even Starlord's outfit with his helmet works, it still leaves skin exposed to vacuum, but it's good for quick stints and keeps him from dying
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L293[11:35:31] <Eddi|zuHause> obviously, you need an EM field that traps oxygen inside a bubble
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L296[11:35:55] <Althego> hehe
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L298[11:36:13] <Althego> you could use magnets to trap liquid oxygen
L299[11:36:23] <Althego> but i doubt gaseous oxygen is magnetix
L300[11:37:23] <Eddi|zuHause> i suppose a deflecting EM shield is easier technology than a trapping one?
L301[11:37:47] <Althego> consumes lot of power and works only on conductive bullets
L302[11:40:14] <UmbralRaptor> molecular oxygen is all paramagnetic, but gaseous is too hot for it to work well.
L303[11:41:09] <Althego> you just need a big enough magnetic field then :)
L304[11:41:56] <Althego> there was something, an article or video that was trying to find out a movie magnetic field strength causing some effect and it was completely deadly
L305[11:41:58] <Deddly> You should just hyperedit yourself back to earth
L306[11:42:12] <Althego> already stock, no hyperedit needed
L307[11:42:22] <Althego> ok only for orbits
L308[11:43:07] <Althego> i think i know what it was
L309[11:43:28] <Althego> how strong magneto's field is needed to be to rip the iron from the blood of the guard
L310[11:44:05] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htaYu2NGOgw
L311[11:44:05] <kmath> YouTube - How Much Power Does Magneto Need to Rip Iron from Blood? (Because Science w/ Kyle Hill)
L312[11:44:06] <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds nasty
L313[11:44:07] <SnoopJeDi> James Kakalios, perhaps?
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L319[12:31:31] <UmbralRaptor> http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=25187&_ga=2.250649540.391251691.1536161467-388494065.1507828560
L320[12:32:33] <UmbralRaptor> Okay, they make the PDF way too hard to get.
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L322[12:34:15] <Althego> we didnt even get the event horizon picture yet?
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L324[12:34:18] <Althego> -?
L325[12:34:31] <UmbralRaptor> Not that I've aware of
L326[12:38:29] <Althego> it always looks like we are living in the golden age of science
L327[12:39:35] <xShadowx|2> golden age of science was 50 years ago
L328[12:39:48] <Althego> what is it now then?
L329[12:39:59] <APlayer> https://xkcd.com/1730/
L330[12:40:07] <xShadowx|2> the age of retards with iphones and cats ;p
L331[12:40:20] * APlayer lolsobs at the "NASA, 2018" part
L332[12:40:44] <Althego> hehe
L333[12:41:28] <xShadowx|2> from horses to the moon in 70 years, the next 50 devoted to making stupider cat vids
L334[12:41:36] <Althego> hehe
L335[12:41:41] <xShadowx|2> what happened ;p
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L338[12:42:01] <Althego> but we have lhc, ligo, stuff like that
L339[12:42:21] <Althego> i still want 2 ice giant orbiters
L340[12:42:31] <Althego> one for each one
L341[12:42:47] <APlayer> LHC and LIGO are secretly operated just to image cats with unconventional imaging technology
L342[12:43:37] <Deddly> xShadowx|2, I think this is why people are excited by SpaceX and their outlandish ideas
L343[12:43:50] <Althego> cats on mars?
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L345[12:46:37] <Deddly> OK... my boat stopped slowing down
L346[12:46:53] <Deddly> All engines off and holding at 1.9 m/s
L347[12:46:58] <xShadowx|2> Deddly: some are, others like my uncle hate spacex and think musk should put the money to 'useful' things like solar so we dont need oil anymore (last i checked, solar panels used oil to make, le gasp) or burying giant plastic tubing under all roads for pneumatic package deliver to lower the amount of oil used to make gas for all the delivery trucks
L348[12:47:05] <Althego> did it reach the lowest energy state? a superswimming boat?
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L350[12:47:33] <xShadowx|2> less oil for gas, more oil for plastic, woohoo
L351[12:47:38] <Deddly> xShadowx|2, well why not. There's a lot of progress to be made on many fronts. Why focus on one?
L352[12:47:57] <Althego> soon we wont need to make plastics, just mine them from the ocean surface :)
L353[12:47:57] <UmbralRaptor> xShadowx|2: eh, once you stop focusing on flags and footprints there's been an enormous amount of space science over the last 49 years.
L354[12:48:12] <SnoopJeDi> New Horizons \o/
L355[12:48:27] <Althego> galileo, cassini, all the mars probes
L356[12:48:30] <SnoopJeDi> Juno!
L357[12:48:36] <xShadowx|2> he hates amazon drone idea, thinks its a waste of money, yet wants giant tubes under all roads, thats how much money to retrofit XD
L358[12:48:41] <Althego> i like the solar sail venus thingie
L359[12:48:43] <UmbralRaptor> Apollo-Soyuz was before the *Voyagers*
L360[12:49:06] <Althego> here they were called soyuz-apollo of course :)
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L362[12:49:32] <SnoopJeDi> UmbralRaptor, and some of the Mariners!
L363[12:49:52] <Deddly> OK I have to actually use reverse thrust to stop this thing
L364[12:50:16] <oren> Look all I want is stupid cat vids of cats in low garvity on the moon
L365[12:50:32] <Althego> haha
L366[12:50:35] <Althego> that would be funny
L367[12:50:37] <UmbralRaptor> I'd want to double check launch dates in the Vikings, though.
L368[12:50:43] <oren> people are optional, but please bring cats to the moon
L369[12:50:44] <Althego> meanwhile you can look at spider in zero g
L370[12:50:45] <UmbralRaptor> oren: fair.
L371[12:51:01] <xShadowx|2> probes get pictures, photoshop does that cheaper, sending people gets experiencing the great beyond that isnt really a beyond because its moving an inch away ompared to size of universe but ;p
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L373[12:51:41] <SnoopJeDi> photoshop is cheaper if you think space probes are for pretty pictures...
L374[12:52:07] <Althego> except they are for the science
L375[12:53:15] <xShadowx|2> know whats sad? art tends to be prettier than real life pics ;\ even when art aims for realism, take 50 real vs 50 fake, ask a guy whats better without saying real vs fake, and fake wins out for prettier everytime :(
L376[12:53:48] <Althego> but the real is always awesome
L377[12:53:50] <APlayer> At Adobe's licensig costs, I'm pretty sure it won't take long until sending cats to the moon and photographing them there will be cheaper than photoshopping it. :P
L378[12:53:54] <xShadowx|2> as far as space goes i mean
L379[12:53:59] <SnoopJeDi> xShadowx|2, you should look at more real imagery, then.
L380[12:54:01] <Althego> the plains and mountains of pluto from up close
L381[12:54:04] <Althego> how cool is that
L382[12:54:53] <Althego> or clouds and dust devils moving around on mars
L383[12:54:59] <xShadowx|2> SnoopJeDi: uhm i look at real everyday, i have roughly 20gb of pictures from the various probes/sats/telescopes on my pc
L384[12:55:27] <SnoopJeDi> xShadowx|2, do you stamp-collect, or look and think?
L385[12:55:56] <APlayer> Speaking of space imagery, what's up with the black hole event horizon project? I was pretty excited, but it somehow all died down
L386[12:56:46] <xShadowx|2> get one of the many fun programs that downloads images from google image search, bing, etc, and mass download - SnoopJeDi: sometimes i sit for hours and just stare at pc screen :D
L387[12:57:00] <SnoopJeDi> yes, I reckon you probably do
L388[12:57:13] <xShadowx|2> i mean at the pics lol
L389[12:57:29] <UmbralRaptor> APlayer: unsure, other than they had some problems getting the data from Antarctica, and that there were correlation issues?
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L391[12:57:42] <xShadowx|2> desktop changes to a random every 2 min, sometimes i set to 5
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L394[12:58:54] <APlayer> UmbralRaptor: Correlation issues?
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L396[12:59:20] <APlayer> As in, the data didn't fit?
L397[12:59:35] <Deddly> Weightless cat videos!! https://vimeo.com/100993637
L398[12:59:41] <SnoopJeDi> speaking of mindblowing images: https://www.space.com/32464-mars-rover-opportunity-dust-devil-photo.html
L399[13:00:12] <UmbralRaptor> APlayer: yeah, unsure of details beyond those (not my subfield)
L400[13:00:23] <APlayer> Deddly: *Send a cat on a zero G flight* *Name the cat "your fault"*
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L402[13:00:47] <xShadowx|2> SnoopJeDi: purty
L403[13:00:54] <APlayer> UmbralRaptor: I see. Thanks for any info, though. :-)
L404[13:01:06] <Eddi|zuHause> <APlayer> LHC and LIGO are secretly operated just to image cats with unconventional imaging technology <-- for centuries, military advancement was the driver of technology, i'd say if that place was taken over by cat videos is an improvement
L405[13:02:03] <SnoopJeDi> xShadowx|2, and meaningful, moreover. There's so much we haven't even realized we don't know about weather on Mars. A lifetime of discovery in one hyperspecific focus on just one planet! Lucky us
L406[13:02:05] <Althego> hehe the cat is holding on to that box
L407[13:02:17] <xShadowx|2> SnoopJeDi: admittedly, my first reaction though is drop in photoshop and colorize :| never been a huge fan of B&W
L408[13:02:25] <Deddly> That is an awesome video
L409[13:02:36] <Deddly> I would like to see it in real time
L410[13:03:17] <Althego> but cats in zero g are nowhere new
L411[13:03:30] <Althego> there were some experiments in the 50s ot so?
L412[13:03:30] <SnoopJeDi> xShadowx|2, there's no accounting for taste.
L413[13:04:22] <Deddly> Zero-G cat is not a happy cat
L414[13:04:24] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9XtK6R1QAk
L415[13:04:24] <kmath> YouTube - Weightless Cats - Do Cats In Space Land On Their Feet?
L416[13:04:36] <Althego> but a z ero g human is happy
L417[13:05:06] <Eddi|zuHause> they meticulously cut out the parts of the video where the G-forces come back in
L418[13:05:21] <Althego> and they are all 2 g
L419[13:05:53] <Deddly> aaaaw
L420[13:06:25] <Deddly> Althego, the bit at the end where he lifts the car up with his food and it goes flying into the roof... wut
L421[13:07:52] <Althego> ah there were 2 mice inside the red box
L422[13:07:58] <Althego> box-car whatever
L423[13:09:07] <Eddi|zuHause> i seem to remember they sent some cats into orbit
L424[13:09:19] <Althego> i know of dogs
L425[13:09:31] <Eddi|zuHause> yes, dogs for sure
L426[13:10:02] <UmbralRaptor> I think there was only 1 cat, and that was a suborbital test?
L427[13:10:03] <Althego> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A9licette
L428[13:10:27] <UmbralRaptor> yeah
L429[13:14:38] <Deddly> Laika was the most unfortunate
L430[13:15:18] <xShadowx|2> definately not my greatest work but https://imgur.com/a/I9gvIs8 color!
L431[13:15:18] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/goGQ0we.jpg
L432[13:15:26] <UmbralRaptor> Strelka and Belka made it back safely.
L433[13:16:41] <Deddly> "Yay, I'm in space! Look guys, I did it, and I'm fine!" ... "What do you mean, you haven't developed the technology to deorbit yet?"
L434[13:22:22] <xShadowx|2> i had that happen to me - i didnt wanna wait for a tech for an engine to deorbit, so i sent jeb up anyways XD
L435[13:22:59] <APlayer> Oh no!
L436[13:23:06] <APlayer> How could you?!
L437[13:23:21] <Deddly> Jeb doesn't have the disadvantage or requiring oxygen or heat dissipation
L438[13:23:25] <Deddly> He can wait
L439[13:23:30] <xShadowx|2> he was fine :P 2 weeks of life support lasted til 2nd rocket came up
L440[13:23:42] <xShadowx|2> he did in my mod ;x lol
L441[13:23:46] <Deddly> Ooh, WITH life support mods? nice
L442[13:24:00] <xShadowx|2> ya i cant play without LS -.-
L443[13:24:14] <Deddly> What a BadS
L444[13:24:24] <Deddly> "Send me up, I'll wait"
L445[13:24:27] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429717171002933269/486964731521794089/DSC_9611.JPG
L446[13:24:33] <Althego> hah
L447[13:24:38] <Althego> looks nice
L448[13:24:45] <Althego> so this is what you have been doing all afternoon
L449[13:24:47] <Deddly> Hey Fluburtur. Nice job!
L450[13:24:55] <Fluburtur> I had no brown paint
L451[13:25:00] <Fluburtur> so I shaded with green
L452[13:25:06] <Fluburtur> still need to fix the paint a bit
L453[13:25:09] * xShadowx|2 pushes the start button
L454[13:25:21] <Deddly> Fluburtur, Question: in your challenge, I'm up to the point where the map wraps around to the right
L455[13:26:01] <Fluburtur> yea
L456[13:26:32] <Deddly> Fluburtur, So I'm about to go north through the straight
L457[13:26:50] <Fluburtur> you are pretty fast
L458[13:26:56] <Deddly> Fluburtur, So I have to go through exactly that place or can I take the more attractive route through the archipellago?
L459[13:27:07] <Deddly> It's a small shortcut, I think
L460[13:27:19] <Fluburtur> yeah you can do that
L461[13:27:23] <Deddly> Thanks :)
L462[13:27:28] <Althego> hehe
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L465[13:46:03] <Eddi|zuHause> why is that plane cockput so far back?
L466[13:46:11] <Eddi|zuHause> *pit
L467[13:46:18] <Fluburtur> it be like this
L468[13:46:21] <Fluburtur> big engine
L469[13:46:23] <Fluburtur> and gun
L470[13:46:48] <Fluburtur> http://avionswwii.free.fr/images/avions/Arsenal_VG33/arsenalvg33_2.jpg
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L472[13:49:39] <Eddi|zuHause> it seems more center-y in that picture
L473[13:49:41] <legion> that (and most ww2 french planes) are mostly all about having the most powerful engine in as light a plane as possible
L474[13:50:14] <Eddi|zuHause> but maybe that is just perspective
L475[13:50:28] <Fluburtur> I made it from a drawing so it should be accurate https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/486971346773868565/ayyyy.jpg
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L481[13:56:24] <Eddi|zuHause> well, i'd say powerful motor didn't help them much in the end :p
L482[13:56:58] <Althego> hehe
L483[13:58:37] <legion> Eddi, you try designing planes while being occupied.
L484[13:58:42] <Althego> the better planes didnt help the germans at the end :)
L485[14:02:45] <xShadowx|2> too little too late
L486[14:03:07] <xShadowx|2> if they had em at the start, itd have been diff
L487[14:03:08] <Eddi|zuHause> legion: well, the idea of the planes would have been to not get occupied in the first place
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L490[14:04:59] <xShadowx|2> https://youtu.be/b_sBNX9dP-M
L491[14:04:59] <kmath> YouTube - Babylon 5: Londo Molari and Reefa
L492[14:05:17] <xShadowx|2> or just not make war on so many fronts ;p
L493[14:06:55] <legion> Something called the Blitzkrieg kinda made them unable to do that... the pre-ww2 planes were... bad.
L494[14:07:58] <Althego> lot of new tech because of ww2
L495[14:08:05] <Eddi|zuHause> maybe they should have started to develop them earlier?
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L499[14:10:31] <Eddi|zuHause> it's like "huh, looks like this warmongering dictator who is running our neighbouring country for 6 years now might actually go to war, how about we update our airforce then?"
L500[14:11:17] <Rolf> very interesting first thing I see on return lol
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L502[14:14:19] <Eclipser> ahh b5... now I need to watch the entire series again
L503[14:14:56] <Rolf> skip the telepath season. well maybe theres couple good ones in that
L504[14:15:52] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm assuming that show's visuals look incredibly outdated now
L505[14:16:02] <Eclipser> Rolf, I've seen the whole thing like 20+ times already
L506[14:16:11] <Eclipser> I pretty much watch it every year at least once
L507[14:16:38] <Eddi|zuHause> i never actually watched many episodes, for some reason
L508[14:16:49] <Eclipser> it's the best series ever :p
L509[14:16:49] <Eddi|zuHause> it feels a bit late to get into it now
L510[14:16:51] <Rolf> Eddi|zuHause: sure its still decent show. besides couple seasons
L511[14:17:25] <xShadowx|2> i watch nearly every scifi show once a yr XD
L512[14:17:30] <Rolf> apparently the telepath thing was supposed to be arc of 3 espodes. but they dropped a major arc after that but didnt have anything
L513[14:17:46] <Rolf> so result is long telepath arc with little plot
L514[14:17:56] <xShadowx|2> stargate, star trek, b5, andromeda, firefly, all on in my NAS
L515[14:18:32] <Eclipser> xShadowx|2, lack of farscape right there
L516[14:18:37] <xShadowx|2> ima get buried with that thing :D
L517[14:18:46] <xShadowx|2> have farscape, so hah
L518[14:18:55] <Eclipser> good, second best series ever
L519[14:18:57] <Eclipser> :p
L520[14:18:59] <xShadowx|2> nay
L521[14:19:16] <Eddi|zuHause> i was always firmly on the startrek side of things
L522[14:19:21] <xShadowx|2> it was fun, but not 2nd place
L523[14:19:29] <Eclipser> I never liked star trek at all
L524[14:19:35] <Eclipser> and stargates are quite boring as well
L525[14:19:36] <Rolf> farsscape.. well I loved it, then they forgot some rules and changed others
L526[14:19:37] <xShadowx|2> BURN THE HERETIC
L527[14:20:03] <Eddi|zuHause> deep space nine best
L528[14:20:10] <Eclipser> here's the most controversial opinion of mine: firefly's horrible
L529[14:20:25] <xShadowx|2> firefly was great
L530[14:20:40] <Eddi|zuHause> firefly is fine, i suppose.
L531[14:20:46] * xShadowx|2 sticks Eclipser in a rocket and launches it at the sun
L532[14:20:53] <Eddi|zuHause> i only watched it like years later
L533[14:21:01] <Rolf> thats very metal way to die
L534[14:21:02] <Eclipser> b5 forever <3
L535[14:21:04] <xShadowx|2> i watch it every year ;3
L536[14:21:30] <xShadowx|2> tv sucks now
L537[14:21:46] <xShadowx|2> i just loop through all the lovely spacey scifi
L538[14:21:52] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't watch many shows anymore nowadays
L539[14:22:17] <xShadowx|2> the 100 is nice, just wish a bit more spacey bits
L540[14:22:21] <Eddi|zuHause> the expanse seems fine
L541[14:22:54] <Eddi|zuHause> but i easily fall behind like 1-2 seasons
L542[14:23:00] <xShadowx|2> just wish cbs would quit killing star trek
L543[14:23:29] <xShadowx|2> also lol @ cbs being sued for plagerism over STD
L544[14:23:30] <Eddi|zuHause> any hope for that picard series?
L545[14:23:33] <Eclipser> expanse is pretty good
L546[14:24:29] <xShadowx|2> cbs ripped off a game to make STD, which is crappy, axanar was 1000x better -.- ans got killed off so cbs could make STD, sigh
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L548[14:25:21] <Eddi|zuHause> nice thing about expanse is that they don't pull deus-ex-machina-tech out of thin air to solve problems
L549[14:27:21] <xShadowx|2> dark matter was nice, and got killed off
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L551[14:28:57] <Eddi|zuHause> many nice things get killed off
L552[14:29:01] <xShadowx|2> the whole teleport into a clone body was funny ;p be as stupid as you want and die countless times
L553[14:29:35] <xShadowx|2> firefly was killed off for dark angel -.-
L554[14:30:01] <Eddi|zuHause> and then they killed off dark angel
L555[14:30:08] <xShadowx|2> appearently boobs > spacey scifi
L556[14:30:24] <xShadowx|2> eh fox kills everything
L557[14:30:30] <Eddi|zuHause> at least dark angel actually made it to tv here
L558[14:30:38] <xShadowx|2> fastlane = fast & furious the tv show
L559[14:30:52] <xShadowx|2> terranova = jurassic paerk the tv show
L560[14:30:58] <xShadowx|2> park*
L561[14:31:20] <Eddi|zuHause> ok, that wasn't really that good a show
L562[14:32:03] <xShadowx|2> terranova? was great, but it always irked me that 'families' had no gene resemblence lmao
L563[14:32:36] <Eddi|zuHause> i know i watched that, but i have barely any memory of what happened
L564[14:33:32] <xShadowx|2> everyone went back in time. to dino age, make a new colony for man, rich people with power from future sent their own peeps bacck with guns to take over and make $
L565[14:33:39] <Eddi|zuHause> btw, ever watch primeval? was a bit trashy, but overall quite enjoyable
L566[14:33:49] <xShadowx|2> yar
L567[14:33:53] <xShadowx|2> fun
L568[14:34:09] <xShadowx|2> one of the actors was a singer too
L569[14:34:36] <xShadowx|2> all these shows
L570[14:34:37] <xShadowx|2> old
L571[14:34:42] <xShadowx|2> why does tv suck now
L572[14:35:06] <Eddi|zuHause> that's a statistical fallacy
L573[14:35:19] <xShadowx|2> nay
L574[14:35:30] <Eddi|zuHause> similar to "why do all movies based on books suck?"
L575[14:36:50] <xShadowx|2> content made in the 90s had spirit, well written. stuff now is eye candy slapped in, poor writing, no spirit, and not worth my time to look at
L576[14:36:58] <Eddi|zuHause> if you'd put all shows on a graph with the axes "age" and "quality", there would be no correlation
L577[14:37:17] <Eddi|zuHause> just you don't remember the stuff that is both "old" and "good"
L578[14:37:24] <Eddi|zuHause> err
L579[14:37:28] <Eddi|zuHause> "old" and "bad"
L580[14:37:46] <xShadowx|2> you miss a bit there
L581[14:37:51] <xShadowx|2> yes bad always exists
L582[14:38:06] <xShadowx|2> but take that out, gather what is good
L583[14:38:10] <xShadowx|2> then chart that
L584[14:38:45] <xShadowx|2> ive accually done iit, as my NAS has the dates for when every video/show was filmed
L585[14:39:07] <xShadowx|2> and includes nearly everything i considered to be 4-5 star quality
L586[14:39:36] <xShadowx|2> 3/4 of the content is based in the 90s, <1% is pre 90s
L587[14:39:56] <Eddi|zuHause> that is also a statistical fallacy. assume that the amount of good shows that are on simultaneously is pretty constant, then the amount of shows that are "old" and "good" is ever growing, and thus quickly outgrowing the shows that are "new" and "good"
L588[14:40:17] <xShadowx|2> i know pre 90s had good writing, but the lack of cgi, seeing sock puppets, irks me ;p
L589[14:40:27] <Eddi|zuHause> then correlate that with the fact that your taste doesn't change a lot once you're an adult
L590[14:40:55] <xShadowx|2> i plotted the stuff by year, good content by year went down
L591[14:41:04] <Eddi|zuHause> no
L592[14:41:12] <Eddi|zuHause> that is good content that also matches your taste
L593[14:41:44] <xShadowx|2> funny thing is the drop starts at the writers guild strike ;p
L594[14:41:48] <Eddi|zuHause> just face it. you're getting old.
L595[14:42:15] <xShadowx|2> yes, but thats not just it lol
L596[14:42:26] <Eddi|zuHause> don't deny it.
L597[14:42:49] <xShadowx|2> i didnt, i confirmed it, but that isnt the only point of data
L598[14:43:40] <Eddi|zuHause> yes, writers strike was probably a deep cut. and probably meant that a new generation of writers filled in some blank spaces, which resulted in a shift in style away from your taste
L599[14:44:34] <oren> I don't watch TV but video games seems to be getting better every year not worse
L600[14:44:51] <oren> both graphics and gameplay
L601[14:44:56] <Rolf> LOL https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/9cy2gd/going_to_space_was_getting_too_expensive_so_we/
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L603[14:46:43] <Eddi|zuHause> Rolf: that's how flat-earthers go to space?
L604[14:46:46] <oren> I mean one issue is that there aren't actually that many new shows ocming out each year on actual TV
L605[14:46:59] <Rolf> lol
L606[14:47:01] <oren> there are only so many timeslots
L607[14:47:07] <xShadowx|2> my taste being quality / spirit. movies nowadays spend far less money on writers, more on big name actors and cgi.
L608[14:48:04] <xShadowx|2> didnt we already try making a launcher for space similar to that?
L609[14:48:08] <xShadowx|2> or planned anyways
L610[14:48:12] <Rolf> "*Cant be used for lithobraking, we tried" lol
L611[14:48:47] <Eddi|zuHause> oren: i don't think that is the actual issue. the number of timeslots is actually increasing as more channels get formed, and more players enter the production market (in the 90s new networks formed, in the 2000s the cable channels joined in, now netflix and co get in)
L612[14:48:56] <xShadowx|2> vacuum tube + rails + mountain + high speed
L613[14:49:15] <Rolf> netflix = "infinite time slots"
L614[14:49:38] <xShadowx|2> yes more channels for reality shows!
L615[14:49:46] <xShadowx|2> finally they been dying off
L616[14:50:07] <xShadowx|2> no its all 'lets find a sitcom from the 80s/90s and continue with their kids!"
L617[14:50:11] <xShadowx|2> now*
L618[14:50:15] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm thinking about stuff like Breaking Bad, Hell on Wheels, ...
L619[14:50:32] <oren> but I don't watch TV much anymore so \o_O/
L620[14:50:57] <Eddi|zuHause> but of course, the majority of new stuff is bad
L621[14:51:10] <xShadowx|2> nor do i, cant find anything worth my time, gave up
L622[14:51:15] <oren> and my house never had cable, so I only saw things that were on the actual air channels
L623[14:51:29] <Eddi|zuHause> my point is, the majority of old stuff is also bad
L624[14:51:47] <xShadowx|2> i dont even watch netflix anymore -.-
L625[14:51:53] <Eddi|zuHause> just you have a heavily selectory bias for old stuff that is not bad
L626[14:52:32] <xShadowx|2> nope, i was all yay for STD, until i see SJWs tore star trek apart for it
L627[14:53:00] <Eddi|zuHause> how is that surprising? SJW is all the rage nowadays
L628[14:53:05] <xShadowx|2> axanar was new, it wass fine, cbs killed it for std
L629[14:54:06] <Eddi|zuHause> just wait how SJWs will have torn apart buffy, which was totally SJW to begin with
L630[14:54:07] <Rolf> s tranmissed dieases? guess on s
L631[14:54:10] <xShadowx|2> i did lol when abc canceled last man standing, their top rated show, the day after tim allen refered to hollywood as nazi germany ;p
L632[14:56:55] <oren> Rolf: I think they mean some star trek thing? dunno, never seen any star trek
L633[14:57:25] <Rolf> Im not geting what STD means
L634[14:57:39] <jeans> Server Technology Department
L635[14:57:57] <oren> Star trek discovery
L636[14:58:13] <jeans> Oh, that's unfortunate
L637[14:59:19] <xShadowx|2> oh oh oh uh il PM you both this one sec cuz channel XD
L638[15:00:03] <jeans> I'm good
L639[15:00:10] <xShadowx|2> on that note, my power just went out
L640[15:00:22] <xShadowx|2> woohoo for UPSs
L641[15:00:29] <Rolf> fun
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L658[16:58:31] <Supercheese> better than FedExes?
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L672[17:38:32] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
L673[17:39:08] <darsie> hi Roughmen
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L706[20:40:53] <senray> Got 1.4.5 running well, now trying to finally build a working plane
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L710[21:16:09] * Arynnia detonates Jool.
L711[21:18:13] <UmbralRaptor> And that's how kerbals propogated to stars beyond Kerbol.
L712[21:21:26] <Arynnia> Yas
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L714[21:26:33] <Eddi|zuHause> with a Jool-Sized planet as fuel you're probably getting some serious dV
L715[21:29:52] <JVFoxy> jool sized fuel tank..
L716[21:30:27] <JVFoxy> didn't watch starwars though I read somewehre they were using stars as power sources in spacecraft
L717[21:31:32] <Eddi|zuHause> i think that mixed up a few details there
L718[21:32:08] <UmbralRaptor> Magic. They're using magic.
L719[21:32:45] <UmbralRaptor> Or at least physics in Star Wars is so different from our own that it's best not to draw comparisons.
L720[21:32:51] <mabus> i think its called solar power
L721[21:33:17] <Eddi|zuHause> i think the 8th movie is the first one that actually even mentioned fuel running out
L722[21:34:31] <UmbralRaptor> Estimates of the amount of energy needed to destroy Alderaan as shown are IIRC, greater than 1 deathstar volume of antimatter.
L723[21:34:41] <JVFoxy> remember a book, says that falcon uses exotic metal for fuel..
L724[21:39:07] <JVFoxy> ah.. highly unstable liquid metal fuel... mmm..
L725[21:39:42] <JVFoxy> not sure if canon but... https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cUL0s8k7zc8/VzDXKxNXg7I/AAAAAAAAHzA/-5flBXaX4s4JtOL4c5VrsjKSczyyH7dDgCLcB/s1600/31-ZsIh1Im.jpg
L726[21:39:52] <JVFoxy> lower part of pic, next to game board. c_c;
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