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L5[00:31:00] <Althego> still 1.5 hours until
stream starts
L6[00:34:36] <JVFoxy> launch?
L7[00:34:47] <Supercheese> take 2
L8[00:34:52] <Supercheese> after last
night's débâcle
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L10[00:37:11] <JVFoxy> um.. dare I ask what
happened?
L11[00:37:16] <Althego> nothing
L12[00:37:34] <Althego> especially with the
"updates" they gave us
L13[00:39:02] <Supercheese> they scrubbed
the launch
L14[00:39:09] <Supercheese> and were
extremely vague as to why
L15[00:40:52] <Althego> all we now a cat
climbed the rocket
L16[00:41:29] <Althego> or onw of the
operators had to go to the toilet
L17[00:41:32] <JVFoxy> or snake
L18[00:42:21] <Althego> nobody would have
cared for the snake
L19[00:47:02] <Althego> yesterday it was 19
years ago i have seen the total eclipse. so long ago
L21[00:54:03] <kmath> YouTube - KSP -
"Eve Fall" - Green Harvest ep.1
L22[00:56:35] <JVFoxy> snake because I saw
a picture of a giant one climbing up the side of someone's
house
L23[00:56:44] <Althego> yes is saw that
too
L25[01:00:21] <Althego> hehe
L26[01:00:27] <Althego> looks like it is
petting the shuttle
L27[01:01:02] <JVFoxy> vulture that decided
to fly over the shuttle as it launched, got hit
L28[01:02:36] <JVFoxy> that frog though..
meme'd
L29[01:02:46] <Althego> yes the frog is
meme
L30[01:03:49] <Althego> lol the
woodpecker
L31[01:04:32] <JVFoxy> well hey.. foam,
next.. why not?
L32[01:05:24] <Althego> less than an
hour
L33[01:05:29] <Althego> until stream
starts
L34[01:05:56] <JVFoxy> so.. fwoom, or
boom?
L35[01:08:48] <JVFoxy> which steam you
going to watch?
L37[01:09:16] <kmath> YouTube - NASA Live:
Official Stream of NASA TV
L38[01:13:20] <JVFoxy> ... such a big
fairing for little craft..
L39[01:13:37] <Althego> it is just as wide
as the rocket
L40[01:13:39] <Althego> cant go
smaller
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L42[01:15:21] <UmbralRaptor> Hm, only 75
minutes until launch.
L43[01:15:55] <UmbralRaptor> ;8ball
coffee?
L44[01:15:56] <kmath> UmbralRaptor:
Concentrate and ask again
L45[01:16:04] <Althego> hehe
L46[01:16:11] <JVFoxy> well long fairing..
so much room up front
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L52[01:30:29] <Althego> half an hour until
stream start
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L54[01:38:43] <NolanSyKinsley> ?
L55[01:39:02] <Althego> we want to see a
rocket set itself on fire
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L58[01:52:04] <UmbralRaptor>
NolanSyKinsley: NASA's launching a mission to the nearest
star.
L59[01:52:10] <Althego> hehe
L60[01:52:39] <Arynnia> That's right,
that's happening today
L61[01:52:47] <UmbralRaptor> This is
naturally the highest ΔV launch ever.
L62[01:52:48] <Althego> just as it happened
yesterday :)
L63[01:53:20] <Althego> what are we doing,
brain? the same thing we do every day, pinky, try to send a probe
to the nearest star
L64[01:53:45] <taniwha> I got excited for a
moment, then... "oh, right, it's only 150million km
away"
L65[01:53:52] <Althego> hehe
L66[01:54:04] <UmbralRaptor> taniwha:
:D
L68[01:55:56] <JVFoxy> from setting rocket
on fire to setting probe ablaze...
L69[01:56:22] <JVFoxy> ... you think the
heat waves were bad enough.. you seen nothing yet
L70[01:56:24] <Sargun> Will the vehicle get
close enough to the sun where it will experience drag?
L71[01:56:25] <Althego> and among other
things it carries the names of famous kerbals :)
L72[01:57:00] <JVFoxy> no but carbon disk
will be floating around then sun till end of the solar system.. so
they say
L73[02:00:34] <Althego> here we go
again
L74[02:01:22] <Althego> lol that lag
L75[02:01:46] <Althego> all these people
woke up this early twice in a row
L76[02:01:52] <Sargun> are you just
watching it on nasa.gov?
L77[02:02:02] <Althego> on yt
L78[02:02:05] <JVFoxy> ... waking up early?
uhhhh.... I not gone to sleep yet. midnight here
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L80[02:02:15] <Althego> not you, the people
on the launch site
L81[02:02:21] <Sargun> heh
L82[02:02:27] <Althego> and i meant the lag
between the sound and video
L83[02:02:32] <JVFoxy> peh... right.. like
how many even went to sleep even there.. :P
L84[02:02:51] <Sargun> Aren't philadelphia
and DC pretty near each other
L85[02:03:59] <Sargun> How much does each
scrub cost?
L86[02:04:25] <Althego> probably not much
in itself, but the next unplanned launch cost is added
L87[02:04:58] <Sargun> Althego: Wasted fuel
+ Personnel?
L88[02:05:40] <JVFoxy> wasted fuel.. you
mean the cyro fuels?
L89[02:05:46] <Althego> hat is not too
much
L90[02:06:23] <Sargun> JVFoxy: Cryo fuel,
plus whatever gets vented off
L91[02:06:44] <JVFoxy> well it gets vented
off, but they can generate more... its actually renewable source,
unlike the carbon based rocket fuels
L92[02:07:13] <Althego> there was some info
on one of the falcon 9 launches that the closed airspace required
resulted in delays in flights and that costed a lot, although it is
not spacex that suffers that loss
L93[02:07:13] <Sargun> for hydrogen
L94[02:07:45] <JVFoxy> hydrogen and
oxygen.. its just split water.. the resulting gas is just super
chilled
L95[02:07:58] <UmbralRaptor> !wa Philly to
DC distance
L96[02:08:02] <Sargun> I mean, or from
natural gas
L97[02:08:07] <Althego> i doubt they are
making it from water
L98[02:08:27] <UmbralRaptor> 203 km
L99[02:08:28] <Althego> or even if they do,
not with electricity
L100[02:08:32] <Arynnia> Wait what
L101[02:08:48] <Arynnia> Okay, they didn't
break their numbers.
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L103[02:09:08] <Sargun> but, I imagine
RP-1 is more of a pain
L104[02:09:21] <Sargun> liquid hydrogen is
pretty cool
L105[02:09:25] <Sargun> (get what I did
there)
L106[02:09:25] <Althego> hehe
L107[02:09:25] <Arynnia> RP1 isn't
cryogenic
L108[02:09:33] <Althego> unless you are
spacex
L109[02:10:20] <Althego> still 20
minutes
L110[02:10:45] <JVFoxy> water is one
source...
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L113[02:13:45] <UmbralRaptor> ;c
3.83e6*1609.344
L114[02:13:45] <kmath> UmbralRaptor:
6163787520
L115[02:14:21] <Althego> stupid
miles?
L116[02:14:28] <UmbralRaptor> yep
L117[02:14:45] <UmbralRaptor> ;c
3.83e6*1609.344/1e9
L118[02:14:45] <kmath> UmbralRaptor:
6.16378752
L119[02:14:54] <Sargun> too bad you can't
commute to work on rockets
L120[02:15:03] <Althego> who said you
cant
L121[02:15:10] <UmbralRaptor> ;c
3.83e6*1609.344/1.4e9
L122[02:15:10] <kmath> UmbralRaptor:
4.402705371428571
L123[02:16:16] <JVFoxy> ... well if super
planes were a thing..
L124[02:16:45] <Althego> this doctor has a
strange voice
L125[02:16:53] <Althego> cartoon
character
L126[02:18:03] <JVFoxy> oh sorry..
ultraplanes.. rocket powered commercial airliners
L127[02:18:06] <Supercheese> 14 mins
L128[02:20:01] <Althego> so what is that
flame in the lower left?
L129[02:20:13] <JVFoxy> kiss the sun.. eew
sun cooties
L130[02:20:26] <Althego> sun, the hottest
girl in the town :)
L131[02:20:37] <JVFoxy> flame or just
excess gas..
L132[02:20:48] <JVFoxy> its so the tanks
don't over pressure
L133[02:21:13] <Althego> on the rocket?
that is usually just let go though a valve
L134[02:21:24] <UmbralRaptor> Burning off
venting hydrogen so that the rocket doesn't self-immolate on
launch.
L135[02:21:27] <JVFoxy> storage tanks
probably
L136[02:21:40] <JVFoxy> unless they
actively chilling the gases.. it'll expand as it warms up
L137[02:21:42] <Althego> but it sets
itself on fire because of hydrogen on launch
L138[02:22:03] <JVFoxy> probably just
looks like flame because of lighting
L139[02:22:12] <Rolf> got a link for
live?
L141[02:22:18] <kmath> YouTube - NASA
Live: Official Stream of NASA TV
L142[02:22:31] <Rolf> thanks
L143[02:23:02] <Rolf> nice, moving back
enough gives me captions
L144[02:23:11] <Althego> hehe the captions
are as bad as ever
L145[02:23:21] <Rolf> nah its way better
nowdays
L146[02:23:48] <Althego> it is also
delayed, but i guess that is because of the lvie
L147[02:23:48] <Rolf> contextual its on
dot most times. though sometimes it misses on unusual words
L148[02:23:59] <Althego> meco was mikko
:)
L149[02:24:15] <JVFoxy> mako..
L150[02:24:17] <UmbralRaptor> miku?
L151[02:24:19] <JVFoxy> macko...
L152[02:24:24] <JVFoxy> eh..
L153[02:24:33] <Althego> singing engine
)
L154[02:24:42] <JVFoxy> here we go
L155[02:25:00] <Rolf> machinist videos
theres often applise (cant spell)
L156[02:25:04] <Rolf> funny
L157[02:25:29] <Althego> anomaly
chief?
L158[02:25:44] <Rolf> no people cheering
when perforance is good
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L160[02:26:07] <Sargun> wtf is an Anomaly
chief?
L161[02:26:08] <JVFoxy> anomaly probably
for things along the flight path..
L162[02:26:14] <Sargun> Althego: yes,
exactly
L163[02:26:34] <UmbralRaptor> Mean things,
eccentric things, or true things?
L164[02:26:37] <Althego> it is like
disaster management :)
L165[02:26:57] <Althego> dont manage it,
we want to avoid it
L166[02:27:30] <JVFoxy> or.. if something
goes wrong, they the people that manage it, find a work around
while they can
L167[02:27:31] *
Arynnia loads rocket.exe
L168[02:27:34] <Rolf> ;looks like all go
so far?
L169[02:27:37] <Supercheese> 4 mins
L170[02:28:06] <JVFoxy> mm.. pins pulled,
pyro's ready
L171[02:28:13] *
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L172[02:28:24] <Althego> holy hand grenade
of antioch
L173[02:28:33] <Arynnia> 3
L174[02:29:08] <Althego> maybe it is not
fire just some plumes in red lighting
L175[02:29:21] <JVFoxy> internal power...
vs not to be taken internally...?
L176[02:29:23] <Rolf> definely flame near
start
L177[02:29:31] <Rolf> rest of it maybe
smoke in red light
L178[02:29:31] <Arynnia> 2
L179[02:30:30] <Sargun> 1
L180[02:30:37] <Sargun> woo.
L181[02:30:41] <Arynnia> 50 seconds
L182[02:31:00] <Sargun> 30.
L183[02:31:05] <JVFoxy> rwoar
L184[02:31:15] <Althego> where is the
timer?
L185[02:31:16] <Arynnia> Here we go.
L186[02:31:23] <Sargun> sparks!
L187[02:31:37] <Rolf> to infinty we
go!
L188[02:31:44] <Arynnia> Go, baby,
go!
L189[02:31:45] <Althego> the
fireball
L190[02:31:58] <Rolf> holy flipping its
fast on launch
L191[02:32:00] <Rolf> lots power
L192[02:32:07] <Arynnia> Has to be
L193[02:32:07] <Sargun> that's..a big
fireball
L194[02:32:08] <JVFoxy> lol.. hear those
crickets in the background just as it was lifting off
L195[02:32:14] <Althego> it doesnt have
much payload
L196[02:32:36] <Sargun> why are they
throttling down?
L197[02:32:41] <Arynnia> Saves fuel
L198[02:32:45] <Arynnia> Conserves more
power in the core stage
L199[02:32:50] <Althego> because you want
the center booster to last longer
L200[02:33:02] <Rolf> yeah dont need to
push though TV
L201[02:33:05] <Sargun> and there's no
cross-feed
L202[02:33:06] <Rolf> wastes energy
L203[02:33:10] <Althego> but even spacex
throttles down before max q
L204[02:33:38] <JVFoxy> at least htey not
'nominal' 'nominal' 'nominal'... >.>
L205[02:34:10] <Althego> i wonder if reds
rhetoric was there to film this
L206[02:34:22] <Rolf> gonbna love seeing
trail in back change with air density
L207[02:34:25] <JVFoxy> don't need too
much pressure on the front of the craft.. otherwise it would
buckle
L208[02:34:56] <Arynnia> That lens
flare
L209[02:35:05] <Arynnia> Done me a
concern
L210[02:35:05] <JVFoxy> wonder if shuttle
used those boosters instead of SRBs...
L211[02:35:21] <Althego> probably would be
worse off
L212[02:35:31] <Althego> those solid
boosters havereally high thrust
L213[02:35:35] <Rolf> shuttle is too large
and heavy for most current jobs anyway
L214[02:35:39] <Arynnia> If the shuttle
used liquid boosters, we'd still have the Challenger Seven with
us.
L215[02:35:40] <Sargun> bye bye
boosters
L216[02:35:50] <Rolf> they thought cargos
would be larger than end result was
L217[02:36:10] <Althego> actually the
military thought so. but then they didnt book flights on it
L218[02:36:35] <JVFoxy> eh.. 30tons of
stuff to LEO...? you'd be surprised
L219[02:36:45] <JVFoxy> just matter of
who's got the funds
L220[02:37:16] <Rolf> I like spacex
cameras everywhere appoch vs nasa just light in sky
L221[02:37:27] <Althego> yes spacex knows
how to make a good show
L222[02:37:38] <JVFoxy> they did say,
light as possible..
L223[02:37:50] <JVFoxy> probably no
cameras, and no permits
L224[02:37:50] <Althego> although the
latest soyuz launch was quite good too. the upper stage camera
captured the core stage tumbling away kerbal style
L225[02:37:53] <Rolf> voyage to sun is
hard enough
L226[02:38:46] <Rolf> I tried to go to
kerb star. dang its hard
L227[02:38:59] <Arynnia> It is
L228[02:39:01] <Althego> have to do it
through jool )
L229[02:39:03] <Althego> or ions
L230[02:39:20] <Rolf> theres other
way
L231[02:39:25] <UmbralRaptor> eve
flyby?
L232[02:39:26] <Arynnia> Having 9900 dV at
launch is good enough if you just burn straight back along Kerbin
orbit to get you within 1 Gm
L233[02:39:27] <Rolf> go far outside
system
L234[02:39:36] <JVFoxy> ... the job of
building the 3d model's for these one off space launches... mmm..
hope pays good
L235[02:39:40] <Rolf> that far out you
have oddles of leverage on changing orbit.
L236[02:39:51] <Rolf> just do deorbit,
then wait years
L237[02:40:18] <Arynnia> In fact, it'd be
enough to get you within about 600 Mm
L238[02:40:24] <Arynnia> and you don't
really need to go closer than 600 Mm
L239[02:40:25] <Althego> is the final
stage solid?
L240[02:40:31] <Arynnia> Yes
L241[02:40:32] <Arynnia> It's a STAR
L242[02:40:58] <Althego> have to land on
the sun (during the night) :)
L243[02:41:11] <Rolf> reminds me of that
awful joke
L244[02:42:44] <Rolf> theyre using rcs
firing to gain speed?
L245[02:42:45] <Althego> 13 minute
coast
L246[02:42:53] <Althego> or maybe that is
ullage
L247[02:42:56] <Arynnia> Rolf: No
L248[02:42:57] <Althego> but why now
L249[02:42:58] <Arynnia> It's ullage
L250[02:43:04] <Rolf> whats ullage
L251[02:43:09] <Arynnia> Keeps the
propellants from sloshing
L252[02:43:10] <Althego> it is a tiny bit
of acceleration
L253[02:43:14] <Althego> to push fuel at
the back
L254[02:43:17] <Althego> so that the
engine can start
L255[02:43:23] <Arynnia> Althego: the PSP
appears to be in a very low orbit
L256[02:43:24] <Rolf> ahh ok
L257[02:43:42] <Arynnia> It's only at 111
miles apogee
L258[02:43:58] <Rolf> isnt atomsphere
100miles for earth
L259[02:44:10] <JVFoxy> its a tough
call
L260[02:44:20] <Althego> atmosphere
technically never ends
L261[02:44:22] <Arynnia> ^
L262[02:44:23] <JVFoxy> some spy sats did
around 80 or less miles
L263[02:44:24] <Althego> it just blends
into space
L264[02:44:34] <Rolf> yeah im thinking
about standard defintion of border
L265[02:44:35] <Althego> but usually above
600 km it can be though of as nonexistent
L266[02:44:46] <Althego> the kármán line
is around 100 km
L267[02:45:10] <Arynnia> For our
metric-minded friends, PSP has an apogee of 179.4 km
L268[02:45:23] <Arynnia> 179.6*
L269[02:45:35] <Althego> you need a good
throwing arm to throw a psp that high :)
L270[02:45:53] <Rolf> pointing down to
boost speed
L271[02:46:11] <Arynnia> Raise perigee
while suppressing raise in apogee
L272[02:46:11] <Rolf> used that once a
while, to really expand orbit on other side
L273[02:46:17] <Althego> it is parker
himself
L274[02:46:31] <Sargun> Whoa, dude is
awake
L275[02:46:34] <Sargun> he's 91 years
old
L276[02:46:47] <Althego> 7 years until it
gets there
L277[02:46:56] <Althego> long time to wait
when you are that old
L278[02:47:00] <Rolf> yeah
L279[02:47:02] <Sargun> he'll probably
never find out the results
L280[02:47:18] <Sargun> :(
L281[02:47:39] <JVFoxy> or maybe he'll
make it
L282[02:47:43] <JVFoxy> can only be
hopeful
L283[02:47:50] <UmbralRaptor> ^
L284[02:47:52] <Rolf> yeah best to just
keep going and see
L285[02:48:56] <Althego> it is funny that
all these decades of research was not enough to come up with an
explanation for the corona temperature
L286[02:49:53] <JVFoxy> .... gravity keeps
particles in.. pressure cooker?
L287[02:50:10] <Althego> it keeps
particles in even lower
L288[02:50:22] <Althego> maybe some
electromagnetic effect
L289[02:50:26] <Althego> induction heater
or something
L290[02:50:31] <JVFoxy> more energetic you
can make them, more likely chance they can fly free..
L292[02:51:09] <Althego> hehehe
L293[02:51:15] <Althego> resistance is
futile
L294[02:52:24] <JVFoxy> sun's surface....
riiiiight
L295[02:52:28] <JVFoxy> which surface..
isn't it just gas?
L296[02:52:34] <Althego> plasma
L297[02:52:51] <JVFoxy> well.. its all
just stupid hot, burning stuff
L298[02:52:53] <Arynnia> "Whatever
the Klingon designation, it is merely ionized gas."
L299[02:53:03] <Althego> hehe
L300[02:53:11] <JVFoxy> by surface.. they
thinking photosphere?
L301[02:53:11] <Althego> to be or not to
be
L302[02:53:23] <Althego> i love that whole
scene
L303[02:53:28] <Sargun> 85F is hot
L304[02:53:33] <UmbralRaptor> JVFoxy:
probably
L305[02:53:33] <Arynnia> Target that
explosion and fire.
L306[02:53:51] <Althego> from the point
where they come up with the targeting mechanism, until the
destruction of the ship
L307[02:54:00] <Althego> let her fly apart
then :)
L308[02:54:09] <Arynnia> "She'll fly
apart!" "FLY HER APART, THEN!"
L309[02:54:14] <JVFoxy> christopher lloyd
as klingon....
L310[02:54:43] <Sargun> The guy in the
feed reminds me of Tom Yates from House of Cards
L311[02:54:44] <Althego> and the
operation. we have a heartbeat
L312[02:54:59] <Arynnia> "Bones,
where's my torpedo?" "Bet you wish you'd stood in
bed."
L313[02:55:06] *
UmbralRaptor wonders who replaced Arynnia with Hikaru
L314[02:55:36] *
Arynnia snerk
L315[02:56:42] <Arynnia> Umbral, if I were
to be replaced with anyone from the Star Trek universe, I'd be
replaced with the Bruce Greenwood version of Christopher Pike.
:P
L316[02:56:54] <UmbralRaptor> doh, you're
quoting lots of characters >_>;;
L318[02:57:01] <kmath> YouTube - Star Trek
VI: Battle of Camp Khitomer
L319[02:57:14] <Arynnia> Well, doy
:P
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L321[02:59:07] <Arynnia> Althego: one
thing I've always wondered is how Chang activated the Enterprise
coms
L322[02:59:47] <UmbralRaptor>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L323[03:00:14] <Althego> hehe they
mentioend captain kirk :)
L324[03:00:34] <UmbralRaptor> At least we
still have live whales.
L325[03:00:41] <Althego> some at
least
L326[03:01:47] <Arynnia> One thing Star
Trek needs to do
L327[03:01:52] <Arynnia> since we're in
the habit of bringing back old captains now
L328[03:02:00] <Arynnia> they need to get
George Takei to do Star Trek: Excelsior. :P
L329[03:02:05] <Althego> hehe
L330[03:02:35] <Althego> the original cast
is now dying off. he is too old for a captain. at best an
admiral
L331[03:02:39] <UmbralRaptor> So, uh, is
Discovery good?
L332[03:02:59] <Arynnia> Althego: shut up
:s
L333[03:03:07] <Arynnia> UmbralRaptor:
It's definitely interesting
L334[03:03:11] <Arynnia> I'm looking
forward to season 2
L335[03:03:13] *
UmbralRaptor has headcannoned AbramsTrek as mirror universe
movies.
L336[03:03:17] <Arynnia> because they are
bringing in Pike
L337[03:04:07] <Althego> hehe to me the
abrams movies are fanon discontinuity
L338[03:04:08] <UmbralRaptor> hm
L339[03:04:37] <Althego> because they
discarded all the decades of star trek timeline
L340[03:04:45] <Arynnia> The Abrams movies
are a consequence of TNG: "Parallels"
L341[03:05:06] <Arynnia> Worf screwed up
the timeline. :P
L342[03:05:22] <UmbralRaptor> hah
L343[03:05:25] <Althego> how?M
L344[03:05:29] <Althego> he wasnt even
alive
L346[03:05:45] <Althego> ah this
L347[03:05:52] <Althego> i liked this
episode
L348[03:05:57] <Arynnia> It's a good
one
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L351[03:06:24] <JVFoxy> Worf huh?
L352[03:06:40] <JVFoxy> I remember when
they were talking about two Datas.. something about him finding his
own head or something
L353[03:06:49] <Althego> that wasnt
this
L354[03:07:02] <Althego> but also a good
double episode
L355[03:07:28] *
Arynnia beeps Althego to pm
L356[03:08:32] <JVFoxy> that one stage..
long burn for such small tanks
L357[03:09:39] <Arynnia> Benefits of
hilariously chilled fuels
L358[03:10:34] <UmbralRaptor> Isp for the
Isp god
L359[03:10:59] <JVFoxy> ok... don't cut
out dead here so far into the flight
L360[03:11:15] <Arynnia> Telemetry having
a problem, it seems
L361[03:11:29] <Sargun> Telemetry is the
first thing that goes?
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L363[03:12:07] <Sargun> uh
L364[03:12:13] <JVFoxy> long as they
getting some data saying stuff...
L365[03:12:14] <Sargun> Where's the
probe?
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L367[03:12:43] <UmbralRaptor> meep
L368[03:14:13] <Althego> dude, where is my
probe :9
L369[03:14:16] <JVFoxy> cutouts... means
some data coming in... just not everything
L370[03:14:28] <Althego> cardboard cutouts
:)
L371[03:14:51] <JVFoxy> hope the booster
didn't go tumbling
L372[03:15:46] <Arynnia> Stage 3 is
providing some data
L373[03:15:53] <JVFoxy> ya
thankfully
L374[03:16:32] <Sargun> not enough
L375[03:16:41] <Rolf> hm I wonder if
theres a way to insert whatever copy of nes rom I have into
cardiage and play on real console
L376[03:16:47] <Rolf> then wipe and
replace with another game
L377[03:16:51] <Sargun> Rolf: yes
L378[03:17:08] <Sargun> oh, they seem
happy
L379[03:17:09] <Arynnia> Something
happened
L380[03:17:40] <Rolf> Sargun: whats it
called? so I can find
L381[03:17:47] <JVFoxy> ok good so
far
L382[03:17:54] <Arynnia> Sep
confirmed
L383[03:17:57] <Arynnia> but is it on the
right course?
L384[03:18:31] <JVFoxy> happy crafty
L385[03:18:32] <UmbralRaptor> provisional
yay
L386[03:20:03] <Rolf> I just hope that
after 7 years, we dont find out we forgot camera for example, like
probably all of us did on ksp lol
L387[03:20:13] <Althego> hehe
L389[03:20:24] <Althego> tno, we forget
parachutes
L390[03:20:27] <JVFoxy> ... white light
sensor.. no camera
L391[03:20:32] <Apexseals> welp
L392[03:20:34] <Apexseals> solar probe is
up
L393[03:20:36] <Apexseals> for now
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L395[03:21:22] <Arynnia> Whoa
L396[03:21:25] <Arynnia> YT just lost the
feed
L397[03:21:34] <Arynnia> There we go
L398[03:21:50] <JVFoxy> down into the
depths of hell.. correction.. hotter than hell
L399[03:22:04] <Althego> hell is actually
not too hot
L400[03:22:17] <Althego> because it cant
be hotter than the boiling point of sulfur
L401[03:22:20] <Rolf> hell is too cold. it
dont sustain fusion
L402[03:22:37] <JVFoxy> 3million
degress?
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L404[03:23:30] <JVFoxy> well... we did a
lot worse down here... 3.6 billion degrees using z machine
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L406[03:23:35] <UmbralRaptor> Solar
radiation at perihelion will be 589x that at 1 au.
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L408[03:25:08] <JVFoxy> lol.. imax
projectors were used to simulate something for the probe..
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L410[03:27:17] <UmbralRaptor> so,
equilibrium temperature estimates: 278 K at 1 au, 1371 K at
perihelion.
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L412[03:32:35] <Althego> bit hot
L413[03:36:19] <UmbralRaptor> Just a
bit
L414[03:36:30] <Rolf> probably need to
take shirt off
L415[03:36:46] <Althego> only if you are
in shadow :)
L416[03:36:55] <UmbralRaptor>
Incidentally, the photon pressure there should be about 3 mPa
L417[03:37:02] <Rolf> indeed lol
L418[03:37:20] <UmbralRaptor> Er, somewhat
less. 2.76?
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L422[03:46:05] <Arynnia> I'm starting an
early delta-V map for Kerbal Star Systems
L423[03:46:15] <Arynnia> It's going to be
a very loose map
L424[03:48:03] <Althego> a wild map on the
loose
L425[03:49:19] <Arynnia> I always find it
funny that stationary orbit and munar intercepts take more delta-V
than a direct escape
L426[03:50:04] <Arynnia> But stationary
orbit involves a circularization burn, which eats delta-V
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L428[03:50:13] <Arynnia> and a munar
intercept involves a parking orbit
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L430[03:51:36] <Deddly> Did the launch get
scrubbed again?
L431[03:51:41] <Althego> no
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L433[03:51:46] <Deddly> Oh, cool
L434[03:51:46] <Arynnia> No, it
launched
L435[03:51:55] <Althego> went fine
L436[03:52:02] <Althego> on time and
everything
L437[03:52:08] <Deddly> All systems
nominal, or all systems kerbal?
L438[03:52:15] <Deddly> roger that,
nominal
L439[03:52:30] <Deddly> It's a pretty
exciting mission
L441[03:54:08] <kmath> YouTube - Launch Of
The Parker Solar Probe : ULA DeltaIV Rocket
L443[04:00:44] <kmath> YouTube - Sweet
Child O' Mine (Guns N' Roses) - Luciana Zogbi & Gianfranco
Casanova - Cover
L444[04:00:55] <Deddly> Thanks for the
link!
L446[04:04:25] <kmath> YouTube - Let It Go
(Disney's Frozen) Cover by Luciana Zogbi
L447[04:06:24] <Deddly> Watching the
launch, not the music :)
L448[04:06:29] <Althego> i know
L449[04:06:39] <Deddly> Rockets are so
freaking awesome
L450[04:06:41] <Althego> they are not
spacex, so no onboard cameras
L451[04:06:50] <Deddly> yeah :(
L452[04:07:05] <Althego> we didnt even get
the animation for the 3rd stage burn
L453[04:07:16] <Althego> just saw people
turning happy all of a sudden
L454[04:08:25] <Deddly> Should fire a
second rocket up, just to film it
L455[04:08:44] <Deddly>
CameraRocketCo.
L456[04:08:49] <Althego> hehe
L457[04:08:54] <Althego> camera
drone
L458[04:09:15] <Althego> there was a probe
a few eyars back that launched a smaller probe to make a selfie
with it
L459[04:09:17] <Deddly> Rocket drone
L460[04:09:39] <Althego> and there are the
cubesats on the way to mars with insight
L461[04:09:45] <Althego> probably no
pictures there
L462[04:09:49] <Deddly> That was the one
that tried to land on a comet, wasn't it? Rosetta?
L463[04:10:39] <Deddly> and Philae
L464[04:10:49] <Althego> i think it was
before that
L465[04:11:57] <Althego> An unusual
approach was taken in 2010 by IKAROS, launched by Japan Aerospace
Exploration Agency (JAXA) it included two wireless cameras that
were ejected out of the spacecraft for the sole purpose of taking
"hand free" space selfies.
L466[04:12:00] <Althego> i remembered
this
L467[04:13:33] <Deddly> Ha, nice
L468[04:14:07] <Althego> i think there is
an other such one is happening in a few years. maybe osiris rex? or
some other comet thing
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L470[04:15:51] <Althego> or maybe
hayabusa2
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L489[06:25:19] <Apexseals> lol man
L490[06:25:33] <Apexseals> when you look
at the payloads the delta iv heavy has lifted into orbit
L491[06:25:39] <Apexseals> then the mass
of the solar probe
L492[06:25:47] <Apexseals> gives you a
good idea how much energy it takes to get that close to the
sun
L493[06:26:50] <Apexseals> up to 25,000kg
into orbit
L494[06:26:57] <Apexseals> and the probe
is 700kg
L495[06:28:00] <Althego> i would add the
3rd stage to the payload too
L496[06:28:12] <Althego> but probably even
then it is light
L497[06:29:42] <Apexseals> thats a
25,000kg actual payload, including everything, into orbit
L498[06:29:47] <Apexseals> of earth i
mean
L499[06:30:09] <Apexseals> " it will
achieve a velocity of up to 200 km/s (120 mi/s)"
L500[06:32:25] <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't
sound right
L501[06:33:08] <Apexseals> why wouldnt
it
L502[06:33:20] <Apexseals> when it passes
closest to the sun, its going to be moving at a good pace
L503[06:34:04] <Apexseals> mercury is
about 1/4th that
L504[06:34:47] <Apexseals> "Helios-B
made its closest pass of the Sun at a record heliocentric speed of
70 kilometres per second "
L505[06:35:48] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, so
that's like 3 times the current record
L507[06:39:00] <kmath> YouTube -
**AMAZING** BACKWARDS FLYING RC 4D AEROBATIC 'DELRO RAVEN' - MARKUS
RUMMER WESTON PARK - 2018
L508[06:39:41] <Eddi|zuHause> too much
caps
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L511[07:17:12] <Fluburtur> I have to go to
nearly the beginning of the CAD project of the plane to change the
thrust angle
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L513[07:19:01] <Fluburtur> because
conventionnal airplanes need to have the propeller pointing a bit
to the right otherwise that causes a bunch of issues
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L517[07:32:07] <Eddi|zuHause> why to the
right?
L518[07:32:39] <Fluburtur> because of the
direction of the propeller rotation
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L520[07:33:23] <Fluburtur> no one can
agree on exactly why but most peoples say it is because the
propeller createds a swirling stream of air around the aircraft
that then hits the tail and causes it to yaw to the left
L521[07:33:49] <Fluburtur> so by having
the propeller point to the right the effect cancels itself
L522[07:34:26] <Althego> not because of
not having a counterrotating part?
L523[07:34:30] <Blaank> Use twin
props.
L524[07:34:37] <Althego> it is like
blowing your own sail
L525[07:34:41] <Althego> doesnt really
work
L526[07:35:23] <Black_Eagle> does the
effect reverse if you spin the propeller ccw?
L527[07:35:24] <Blaank> The roll is a
different issue.
L528[07:36:44] <Althego> would need a
mirrored set of propeller blades
L529[07:37:19] <Fluburtur> yeah the effect
is dependant on propeller rotation
L530[07:37:31] <Fluburtur> if the prop
spins the other way then you need to reverse the thrust angle
L531[07:37:46] <Black_Eagle>
obviously?
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L533[07:38:03] <Althego> why not just use
screws and elongated holes and angle it a bit
L534[07:38:12] <Fluburtur> I think
contrarotating props have less of that issue because the second
prop kinda corrects the rotating airflow but those mostly solve
torque problems
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L537[07:38:44] <Fluburtur> Althego I did
that on the old nose but then I also need to change the shape of
the front of the aircraft
L538[07:39:40] <Blaank> It solves
rotational but still leaves some airflow going in a spiral along
the fuselage since one propellor hits it after the first.
L539[07:40:10] <Fluburtur> that's why I
prefer airplanes witht he prop on the back
L540[07:40:13] <Fluburtur> or ont he
wings
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L543[07:41:34] <kmath> YouTube - Royal
Space Force - Flight Sequence (720p)
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L546[07:45:00] <Guest47389> hi
L547[07:45:02] <Mod9000> Hello,
Guest47389
L549[07:47:08] <kmath> YouTube -
RoyalSpaceForce - Invasion Scene HD (Spoiler)
L550[07:47:35] <Althego> if you lok
carefully you can see that they in fact copied the saturn v launch
footage
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L555[08:15:47] <Eddi|zuHause> that is a
cucumber
L556[08:16:24] <Althego> hehe, based on
the texture, it might be
L557[08:16:58] <Fluburtur> also my 3d
printed spinner survived all flight testing so far
L558[08:19:42] <Eddi|zuHause> so, optional
adventure achievements generally seem to fall into 3 categories: 1)
do X before you do Y (where Y would advance the story), 2) do
stupid thing X 10 times (or do the right thing Y on the first try),
3) easter egg hunt (interact with pixels that aren't actually part
of the game)
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L562[09:02:28] <GuestBanana> I love that
feeling when KSP takes 5 minutes to boot b/c of all the mods you
have installed XD
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L564[09:03:46] <GuestBanana> sometimes I
can't even tell if my modded install will even start :)
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L583[10:27:54] <Eddi|zuHause> occasionally
after those 5 minutes i lost the urge to play the game at all
L584[10:28:25] <Eddi|zuHause> also, kinda
bad to have the game crash on you
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L586[10:33:40] <Althego> hmm, cross code
will be 1.0 on 20th of september
L587[10:37:21] <Althego> i wonder what the
story is, because i practically finished the game and all side
quests qithout the story
L588[10:37:30] <Althego> but it was still
so good that couldnt stop it
L589[10:42:25] <Azander> How do I tell KSP
to focus back on my chip in Map mode ?
L590[10:42:33] <Althego> backspace
L591[10:42:44] <Azander> :( not
working
L592[10:43:08] <Althego> then tab around
until you come back to your ship :)
L593[10:55:20] <Azander> didn't work, only
tabbed to each planet/moon.. though that was good enough
L594[10:55:43] <Althego> that is strange,
normally after a while you get back to your ship
L595[10:56:00] <Althego> technically shift
tab also work but that ignites your engiens too
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L611[11:57:46] <Fluburtur> I need to find
out how to make my head in my CAD program
L612[11:58:22] <Fluburtur> I guess use my
highest zoom lens to remove all parallax and put stickers over my
face where joints are and at known distacnes
L613[11:59:08] <Althego> scan it
L614[11:59:24] <Fluburtur> I don't have a
3d scanner
L615[11:59:27] <Fluburtur> I want to build
one
L616[11:59:33] <Althego> there was that
xbox thing
L617[12:01:02] <Fluburtur> yeah but I
don't have that
L618[12:02:11] <Althego> discontinued,
must be cheap to come by
L619[12:02:25] <Fluburtur> my methodis
probably easier
L620[12:02:41] <Fluburtur> because then I
can import the photos in my cad program and use the dots as
references
L621[12:03:04] <Fluburtur> and I could use
my 700mm lens
L622[12:03:07] <Fluburtur> which is a
telescope
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L626[12:28:26] <BlackMoon> Althego:
Mouseover a menu and shift+tab won't trigger engines
L627[12:28:49] <Althego> or supposedly if
you hide the navball
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L629[12:32:11] <UmbralRaptop> Can confirm
dropping the navball works. unless 1.4.x broke it.
L630[12:36:11] <JVFoxy> I found out...
when switching between overview map in flight, to craft/staging
view, it takes a moment before brake controls will activate.
:\
L631[12:37:02] <JVFoxy> was using map view
as I was rolling closer to the pole, brakes don't work there, had
to switch over. Kept wondering why controls weren't responding at
first when I tried hitting the brakes.
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L635[12:45:46] <Guest35331> hi ther
L636[12:45:49] <BlackMoon> Lock the brakes
next time? :)
L637[12:46:06] <Althego> hah you managed
to circumvent the bot reply
L638[12:46:11] <Guest35331> *there
L639[12:46:16] <Guest35331> hi ther
L640[12:46:19] <Guest35331> hi there
L641[12:46:24] <Althego> we get it
L643[12:46:39] <kmath> YouTube - WE GOT
HIM !
L644[12:46:47] <Eddi|zuHause> clearly we
need a better bot
L645[12:46:56] <Guest35331> I'm sorry that
might be a bit politically motivated
L646[12:47:01] <Guest35331> the video i
just linked to
L647[12:47:14] <Guest35331> does anyone
here use OPM Visual Effects
L649[12:50:46] <Eddi|zuHause> uhm, there's
a song in my library with a playcount of 10, but i would swear i've
never heard that before
L650[12:51:28] <JVFoxy> Blackmoon eh.. I
wanted to be rolling, was using map view so I could see the
co-ordinates for how close to the pole I was.. I didn't want to be
on it, just nearby. Sitting directly on top causes..
problems.
L651[12:52:40] <JVFoxy> speaking of the
pole.. because the planets don't have tilts, it basically in
sunlight full-time I'm guessing
L652[12:52:58] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, should
be
L653[12:52:58] <Althego> and no
atmospheric distortion either
L654[12:53:23] <Eddi|zuHause> hence the
poles coming up in suggestions about solar powered bases
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L656[12:54:26] <JVFoxy> wondering if I
should just do a fuel base
L657[13:02:01] <UmbralRaptop> blinks at
Guest35331
L658[13:02:20] <UmbralRaptop> JVFoxy:
still want to be on a mountain if possible?
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L662[13:16:49] <JVFoxy> mountain..
why?
L663[13:20:20] <BlackMoon> Eve?
L664[13:21:06] <BlackMoon> also, yea kinda
disappointed no planet tilts in KSP -_-
L665[13:21:27] <Althego> eve rss just
simulates it somehow
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L669[13:30:38] <Althego> 15.3 MB
downloaded
L670[13:30:52] <Althego> strange because
idont remember installing this, yet there is a usb connection
L671[13:31:29] <APlayer> I get a plain
text string of
'{"actId":"698","downType":"","filePath":"/2015/02/","statPath":"/tech-doc/android/download/SAMSUNG_USB_Driver_for_Mobile_Phones.zip","fileName":"198a8abf-c7cf-48bc-80de-70f0b292192b.zip","dispName":"SAMSUNG_USB_Driver_for_Mobile_Phones.zip","delYn":""}'
L672[13:31:44] <APlayer> Any hints on what
I need to do?
L673[13:31:51] <Althego> probably turn on
js :)
L674[13:32:19] <BlackMoon> also you could
look at the url...
L675[13:32:48] <Althego> that contains
actid
L676[13:32:49] <BlackMoon> "
/tech-doc/android/download/SAMSUNG_USB_Driver_for_Mobile_Phones.zip
" putting that onto the end of somthing might work..
L677[13:32:50] <APlayer> JS is on for
me
L678[13:33:01] <APlayer> BlackMoon: I
tried to, but with no success
L680[13:33:22] <BlackMoon> Hmmm
L681[13:33:29] <APlayer> All of them
returned 404s (though in prettified form)
L683[13:34:29] <JVFoxy> UmbralRaptop
mountain..?
L684[13:34:49] <BlackMoon> Ah k.
L685[13:35:15] <UmbralRaptop> JVFoxy: to
be certain that kerbol is above the horizon, especially if not at
the exact pole.
L686[13:35:30] <Althego> not many
mountains at the pole
L687[13:35:37] <APlayer> Althego:
Alrighty, thanks! What's warpology.com, though?
L688[13:35:42] <Althego> that is me
L689[13:35:47] <Althego> or at least i pay
for it
L690[13:35:57] <Althego> and a friend of
mine puts silly things on it
L691[13:36:00] <APlayer> Oohh.
L692[13:36:09] <APlayer> Thank you very
much! :-)
L693[13:39:16] <JVFoxy> don't have to be
on the exact pole, just close to it
L695[13:40:40] <JVFoxy> Althego if it was
computer generated voice.. would you say its disguised?
L696[13:40:59] <Althego> probably
L697[13:41:42] <JVFoxy> ... pre-recorded
though..
L698[13:41:56] <JVFoxy> that would mean
its just a playback, can't really talk to them
L699[13:41:57] <Althego> not necessarily,
can be text to speach
L700[13:42:18] <JVFoxy> ya.. text-speech
probably more disguising
L701[13:42:25] <JVFoxy> or.. voice
changers
L702[13:42:56] <JVFoxy> though... text to
speech don't really convey moods too well
L703[13:43:15] <JVFoxy> unless they tell
you to shut-up every time you try to say something
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L706[13:44:04] <kmath> YouTube -
Thunderstruck on FLOPPOTRON
L707[13:44:18] <Althego> hah this is
new
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L709[13:45:02] <Althego> lol toilet
seat
L710[13:46:50] <Fluburtur> he really
outdid himself in that one
L712[13:47:43] <kmath> YouTube - Take On
Me - Otamatone Cover (Full Version)
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L720[14:55:59] <BlackMoon> OHHH
NICE.
L721[14:56:07] <BlackMoon> 950DV on mun
surface.. on the poles..
L722[14:56:22] <BlackMoon> launch in JUST
the right orbit that my remaining 427DV is enough to get home
:0
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L724[14:57:50] <BlackMoon> actually
managed to get the return down a little further.. 275dv to
return.
L725[14:58:44] <BlackMoon> but yea that is
like the first time I have ever gotten a decent low DV return from
polar orbit
L726[15:00:19] <JVFoxy> I've a rescue
mission on older game sitting around 45deg latitude on the mun. A
touch.. nervous going through with the mission plan
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L730[15:02:50] <JVFoxy> dang it... bell in
video makes me think message here from someone c.c;
L731[15:03:18] <BlackMoon> Yea, got to
bring lots of extra DV for that return.
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L734[15:04:10] <BlackMoon> protip: raise
your AP, do an inclination change back to 0 at AP. Much easier
returns...
L735[15:05:04] <JVFoxy> I have a fuel
station already placed in medium mun orbit with an add-on tank for
the lander
L737[15:05:49] <BlackMoon> nice. I was
already thinking about how id have to send a fuel tanker in to
refuel that ship to get home lol.
L738[15:09:53] <BlackMoon> And already
sending another lander to the mun, even though the last one has not
even left mun SOI
L739[15:10:07] <BlackMoon> Kerbal alarm
clock FTW.
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L743[15:26:06] <JVFoxy> well.. plane flew
ok with 1.5 tons.. wonder if a 4.5 ton cargo of fuel is also
doable
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L746[15:30:13] <Eddi|zuHause> if i'm short
on fuel on returning from minimus, i use a mun encounter
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L763[16:37:30] <JVFoxy> well... 4.5 ton
load to pole.. took a bit getting up there... screaming fast ride
back. still 270 fuel left over from the test haul. weee
L764[16:38:04] <JVFoxy> leaving just a
tank up there though, game considers it debris.. as opposed to crew
cabin, just calls it 'ship'.. I'll have to record something later.
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L776[18:48:03] <Supercheese> Hmmm, I want
some nicer Command Bridges for my interplanetary craft
L777[18:48:11] <Supercheese> The basic Mk2
Cockpit isn't satisfactory any longer
L778[18:48:31] <Eddi|zuHause>
cupola?
L779[18:48:35] <Supercheese> Prakasa
Aeroworks has some nice pods, but many of them have questionable
texturing and lack the "Lights On" emissive feature for
their windows, which I would very much like to have
L780[18:48:53] <Supercheese> Stock cupola
is far too small
L781[18:49:17] <Eddi|zuHause> or a
full-fledged star trek-like bridge for 20 crew?
L782[18:49:25] <Supercheese> that would be
nice
L783[18:49:31] <Supercheese> any
recommendations for "cool command pod" mods?
L784[18:49:40] <Eddi|zuHause> sorry,
no
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L802[19:40:16] <Eddi|zuHause> so, for
5000dv i can get to jool in 3 years, or for 7000dv in 300
days
L803[19:41:26] <Eddi|zuHause> why don't i
have an alarm clock?
L804[19:49:36] <Eddi|zuHause> ok, i loaded
a satellite, everything is fine, i loaded my space station, game is
a slideshow
L805[19:56:10] <Rolf> we have it SLIGHTLY
harder than nasa people
L806[19:56:22] <Rolf> we dont have
hundreds or thousands people working for us
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L827[22:27:55] <Supercheese> -__-
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L829[22:35:50] <Sargun> hahaha
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L832[22:59:27] <Eddi|zuHause> i mix this
up every single time, is Freilassing near Munich or
Stuttgart...
L833[23:00:26] <UmbralRaptor> Yay,
puns.
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L835[23:02:10] <Eddi|zuHause> of course,
the correct word in that situation would have been
"Lärmschutzwand" (noise protection wall)
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L837[23:06:59] <Supercheese> I love German
words
L838[23:07:08] <Supercheese> Just
concatenate
L839[23:07:30] <Rolf> I remember that
website joke about german and concatenate
L840[23:07:36] <Rolf> it made a REALLY
long wordf
L841[23:07:38] <Supercheese> and those
prefix-conjugated participles
L842[23:07:51] <Supercheese> 10/10 would
umlaut again
L843[23:07:58] <Eddi|zuHause> it's not a
joke.
L844[23:08:39] <Supercheese> I mean,
Chemistry terms do the same concatenation spree as German
L845[23:08:53] <Supercheese>
Adenosinetriphosphate
L846[23:09:13] <Supercheese> oh no wait
there actually is a space in there
L847[23:09:29] <Supercheese> Ok,
Dimethylhydrazine
L848[23:09:35] <Eddi|zuHause> a bunch of
surplus "e"s in there
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L850[23:10:23] <Eddi|zuHause> and that's
surprising, because "e" is even more common in german
than english
L851[23:10:41] <Supercheese> Yeah, in this
instance, the English term needs the "e"s to make long
vowels
L852[23:10:51] <Supercheese> otherwise
you'd have a bunch of short-i
L853[23:11:15] <Supercheese> and
short-a
L854[23:14:01] <Eddi|zuHause> if english
had properly vowel-shifted its spelling, most of the english
"e" would now be "i"
L855[23:15:12] <Supercheese> I recall that
one fascinating article written in alternate-history-English that
had stayed more germanic and refused Latin/Greek loan words
L856[23:15:17] <Supercheese> an article on
Firststuffs
L858[23:15:48] <Supercheese> a good
read
L859[23:15:55] <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but
that is of course nonsense
L860[23:16:05] <Supercheese> Indeed, but
entertaining
L861[23:16:15] <Eddi|zuHause> because
german has also plenty of loanwords from french, greek and
latin
L862[23:17:01] <Eddi|zuHause> and in the
past 70 years also english
L863[23:17:41] <Eddi|zuHause> also over
the past 30-ish years a bunch of english-sounding new
creations
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