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L3[00:06:19] <umaxtu> some nutjob stole a
plane from the airport and crashed it
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L6[00:11:07] <Althego> not so high jack
:)
L7[00:12:17] <Blaank> Any injuries?
L8[00:12:55] <cringe> ISS UTL: 31%
L9[00:16:26] <umaxtu> just the
"pilot" afaik
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L26[01:53:52] <kmath> YouTube - NASA Live:
Official Stream of NASA TV
L27[01:55:40] <Supercheese> thanks
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L32[02:06:13] <Althego> seems there is a
delay
L33[02:17:40] <Rolf> major one or just
minutes?
L34[02:17:52] <Althego> around 15
minutes
L35[02:18:12] <Althego> 20
L36[02:19:16] <Rolf> man I love issac
arthur
L37[02:19:34] <Althego> has good videos but
i could get to like them
L38[02:19:41] <Althego> same way with
veritasium
L39[02:20:05] <Rolf> its one of 2 channels
I am a pateon supporter of
L40[02:20:21] <Althego> *could not
L41[02:20:31] <Rolf> why?
L42[02:20:34] <Althego> dont know
L43[02:21:20] <Rolf> one of reasons I love
that channel is its 100% captioned
L44[02:21:31] <Althego> ah that might be a
huge factor for you
L45[02:21:40] <Rolf> for that channel? not
really
L46[02:21:45] <Rolf> I love the topics
being talked
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L48[02:43:17] <Althego> 10 minutes
L49[02:47:55] <Althego> what is no go, vme
status
L50[02:48:14] <Althego> they are not
ready
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L52[02:50:50] <Deddly> :/
L53[02:51:05] <Deddly> "a
condition"
L54[02:51:11] <Deddly> Glad they are
specific
L55[02:59:00] <Rolf> well not being ready
is a condition ;)
L56[03:00:00] <Deddly> "The teams
continue to work through the issues"
L57[03:00:15] <Deddly> C'mon man. No
transparency at all?
L58[03:00:19] <Althego> more updates?
L59[03:00:22] <Althego> like this?
L60[03:00:43] <Deddly> Yeah, valuable
update. We learned a lot there.
L61[03:00:48] <Althego> hehe
L62[03:01:10] <Deddly> Glad they could tell
us all about the clock that's not even on-screen
L63[03:01:49] <Althego> as i said, spaces
is a lot better at this. they have lot of cameras, infos, in fact
they could pass as an entertainment company just with the
launches
L64[03:02:20] <Deddly> They are more
interesting, I agree with that
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L66[03:06:19] <Deddly> Now he's reading
generalised info. Nice
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L68[03:22:28] <Supercheese> Go for
launch!
L69[03:22:34] <Althego> finally
L70[03:22:50] <Althego> and we have a
clock
L71[03:23:02] <Althego> still fix
L73[03:23:21] <Rolf> lol its same rocket
type as that funny meme pic I saw
L74[03:23:36] <Rolf> ... what is that
rocket mission anyway
L75[03:23:45] <Althego> those white tops,
are they the basis of the ksp part?
L76[03:24:18] <Althego> delta iv heavy with
parker solar probe
L77[03:24:28] <Supercheese> T - 4 m
L78[03:24:46] <Rolf> so, not mars eh
lol
L79[03:24:58] <Althego> it is a mission 60
years in the making
L80[03:25:02] <Althego> closest to the sun
ever
L81[03:25:05] <Althego> still
interesting
L82[03:25:13] <Althego> mars already has
several rovers and orbiters
L83[03:25:21] <Althego> uranis and neptune
had none
L84[03:25:43] <Althego> unfortunately even
in the best case only 1 of the two will get one
L85[03:26:20] <Althego> 2 minutes until the
fireball
L86[03:26:21] <Rolf> Althego: yeah mars
comment was related to that silly meme
L87[03:26:31] <Althego> link?
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L89[03:27:01] <Althego> if there are
intelligent beings on super earths they may never know spaceflight.
how sad
L90[03:27:08] <Rolf> its simple: Mars: I'm
wet. NASA: I'm coming!
L91[03:27:14] <Althego> lol
L92[03:27:16] <Supercheese> DANGIT
L93[03:27:20] <Supercheese> why
L94[03:27:30] <Althego> somewhat not
appropriate for this channel
L95[03:27:35] <Rolf> indeed
L96[03:27:45] <Rolf> thankfully VERY PG
words
L97[03:27:48] <Althego> eh
L98[03:27:51] <Althego> stopped again
L99[03:28:27] <Rolf> 4 minutes again
L100[03:28:34] <Althego> they are running
out of time
L101[03:28:39] <Althego> 65 minutes launch
windo
L102[03:28:50] <Supercheese>
Scrubbed!
L103[03:28:55] <Supercheese> nuuuuu
L104[03:29:05] <Rolf> awww
L105[03:29:26] <Althego> see you tomorrow
the same space time?
L106[03:29:27] <Rolf> what happened?
L107[03:29:42] <Rolf> same time next day,
not same space sorry
L108[03:29:46] <Supercheese> bleergh
L109[03:30:00] <Althego> but it is time to
space, so space tiem
L110[03:30:27] <Rolf> so, meet at same
spot, which would be in space by that time? ;)
L111[03:31:12] <Althego> why is that flame
burning in the lower left corner?
L112[03:31:35] <Rolf> burnoff of excess?
or reason for scub?
L113[03:31:46] <Althego> that was burning
there all the time
L114[03:31:58] <Rolf> oh didnt notice till
you pointed it out
L115[03:32:13] <Althego> and as mentioned
they intentionally fill up the space around the rocket with
hydrogen, so the flame doesnt make any sense
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L117[03:32:44] <Rolf> flame color
dunno
L118[03:32:56] <Rolf> is that hyrogen
burning?
L119[03:33:16] <Althego> hydrogen flame
should be colorless, but somehow it is always reddish
L120[03:33:23] <Althego> orrather
orange
L121[03:34:04] <Rolf> cameras can see bit
more of IR, also I think its due to other stuff being in burning
space, like oxygen and nirogen etc
L122[03:34:22] <Rolf> did they explain why
yet?
L123[03:34:28] <Althego> they ran out of
time
L124[03:34:30] <Althego> 65 minutes
L125[03:34:41] <Rolf> dang
L126[03:34:44] <Althego> but strange
because we passed 1 hour now
L127[03:39:38] <Althego> i wonder if
children playing with ksp today, when they grow up and some of them
become rocket scientists, will there be kerbal themed rocket names
in the future?
L128[03:39:53] <Rolf> ... and hopefully
not KSP-style rockets...
L129[03:39:56] <Althego> what an
incoherent sentence
L130[03:40:07] <Althego> what do you mean
it shouldnt explode? :)
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L132[03:40:22] <Rolf> lol
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L134[03:40:49] <Rolf> honestly KSP taught
me about how orbit works than anything else.
L135[03:40:54] <Supercheese> same
L136[03:40:57] <Rolf> theres even xkcd
joke about it
L137[03:41:01] <Althego> yes it taught me
a lot of things
L138[03:41:08] <Althego> intuitive
understanding of orbits
L141[03:41:16] <Supercheese> I win
L142[03:41:26] <Supercheese> :P
L143[03:41:27] <Rolf> lol
L144[03:44:53] <Althego> i wanted to try
out that wind tunnel mod
L145[03:44:54] <Rolf> looks like they got
tired of rocket
L146[03:45:00] <Rolf> showing sun then
earth
L147[03:45:30] <Rolf> man I wish auto
captions work on live
L148[03:45:39] <Althego> you dont want to
watch the rocket for 24 hours
L149[03:45:51] <Rolf> yea
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L152[03:47:13] <Althego> yes i liked
this
L153[03:47:24] <Rolf> I read some comice
only once a while
L154[03:47:33] <Rolf> now catching up on
xkcd
L155[03:47:46] <Althego> dont forget to
read the alt text
L156[03:47:55] <Rolf> always
L157[03:48:58] <Rolf> y axis one lol so
funny
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L159[03:55:56] <Rolf> Oh you guys heard of
Kate Dopingscandal
L160[03:56:01] <Rolf> man I love
xkcd
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L169[05:22:45] <Deddly> Did they
launch?
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L171[05:32:28] <Rolf> Deddly: sadly
no
L172[05:32:31] <Rolf> delayed till
sunday
L173[05:33:30] <Fluburtur> oh good, I went
to bed anyways
L174[05:39:47] <Althego> ypu went to bed
at 9?
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L176[05:40:21] <Fluburtur> idk, I watched
a movie too
L177[05:41:02] <Rolf> soon 4 here
L178[05:42:02] <Eddi|zuHause> the funniest
thing about xkcd
L179[05:42:07] <Eddi|zuHause> i read it
for about a year
L180[05:42:14] <Eddi|zuHause> before i
learned about the alt text
L181[05:42:28] <Althego> i read through
years before i did :)
L182[05:42:52] <Rolf> years also
L183[05:42:58] <Rolf> before I knew about
alt text
L184[05:43:23] <Rolf> I guess I discovered
alt text hmm 2 to 3 years ago? bit vague sorry
L185[05:44:30] <Eddi|zuHause> i think i
started reading around the 300s, and discovered alt text around the
600s but i'm not sure anymore
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L187[05:50:35] <Deddly> Thanks Rolf. Did
they ever say what the issue was?
L188[05:50:54] <Rolf> they might have.
live videos dont get captions
L189[05:51:12] <Althego> they had two
delays nd they ran out of time
L190[05:53:30] <Deddly> Huh
L191[05:53:34] <Deddly> Oh well
L192[05:54:05] <Rolf> 65 minutes is quite
tight
L193[05:54:26] <Rolf> didnt they setup it
so rocket is readu to go say few minutes before even start of
window?
L194[05:54:36] <Rolf> or is there such
thing as being readu too long?
L195[05:55:21] <Althego> in case of
cryogenics, probably
L196[05:56:10] <Rolf> I just thought up,
why not blast rocket with very dry air to keep it from icing
up?
L197[05:56:34] <Althego> but i think it
was either alignment (earth rotated) or administrative (closed
airspace)
L198[05:57:19] <Eddi|zuHause> "earth
unexpectedly rotated" is a cool abort reason for a space
agency :p
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L210[06:20:09] <Black_Eagle> so landing a
space plane on duna is much more difficult than i thought
L211[06:20:22] <Althego> it is really
difficult since the atmo change
L212[06:20:28] <Althego> even on the
lowlands
L213[06:20:51] <Althego> i found 2 ways to
make it work: instant slow down just above the ground by
parachutes
L214[06:21:04] <Althego> then hop down on
the ground without lift
L215[06:21:18] <Althego> or use some
rockets to generate lift while you slow down
L216[06:21:30] <Althego> either heavy rcs
or rotated engines
L217[06:21:55] <Althego> best is to
combine the two, have feew seconds of propulsion and the
chutes
L218[06:22:17] <Eddi|zuHause> vernor
engine?
L219[06:22:24] <Althego> yes
L220[06:22:31] <Althego> or normal
engine
L221[06:22:33] <Althego> s
L222[06:23:10] <Black_Eagle> my only
weapon is nerva :P this isn't working, stall speed ~120m/s
L223[06:23:14] <Black_Eagle> i think there
is a way
L224[06:23:15] <Althego> haha
L225[06:23:17] <Black_Eagle> but can't be
sure
L226[06:23:23] <Althego> you could try to
land on your tail
L227[06:23:33] <Althego> but with a plane
that is quite hard
L228[06:23:46] <Black_Eagle> hmmmm. i'll
try that
L229[06:23:53] <Althego> i can do that on
the mun, but never tried that on duna
L230[06:24:12] <Althego> best if the
engine sticks out, because it has 12 m/s tolerance
L231[06:24:34] <Eddi|zuHause> is that
easier or harder with atmosphere?
L232[06:24:39] <Althego> harder
L233[06:24:53] <Althego> because the
flyable plane has the usual com-col alignment
L234[06:24:59] <Deddly> Much harder
L235[06:24:59] <Althego> so it doesnt want
to turn 90 deg
L236[06:25:15] <Deddly> ^
L237[06:25:30] <Althego> you can set it up
a barely stable nimble plane
L238[06:25:39] <Althego> and in the thin
atmosphere it might work
L239[06:26:03] <Deddly> But you still have
to wrestle against all the control surfaces
L241[06:26:33] <kmath> YouTube - To Duna
an back without oxidizer by SSTO in KSP 1.3.0
L242[06:26:35] <Deddly> Transitioning from
level flight to vertical is not easy
L243[06:26:49] <Black_Eagle> hey i found a
good landing spot. got four bounces and down to 60m/s then broke
everything
L244[06:27:03] <Althego> you could just
pull up until it flies upwards, then wait until gravity stops then
hover down gently
L245[06:30:36] <Deddly> Althego: nice
plane and great landing
L246[06:30:43] <Althego> haha
L247[06:30:49] <Althego> i wish
L248[06:30:59] <Althego> usually i say a
mission is correct if you can easily do the landing
L249[06:31:03] <Althego> this was not the
case
L250[06:31:38] <Deddly> referring to the
landing on Duna
L251[06:31:38] <APlayer> o/ Deddly
L252[06:31:46] <Althego> so as in the moon
landing. it was hard, but they practiced and planned enough so it
was doable
L253[06:31:50] <APlayer> Nice to see you
in a non-busy state :D
L254[06:32:03] <Deddly> APlayer, hey
hey
L255[06:32:28] <Deddly> Kinda busy really
but stealing a few mins :)
L256[06:33:33] <APlayer> Heh
L257[06:34:08] <Althego> stealing time. a
good sci-fi short :)
L258[06:35:43] <APlayer> "Hey! Don't
you DARE STEAL MY TIME!"
L260[06:36:13] <kmath> YouTube - Stealing
Time | SciFi Time Travel Short Film
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L262[06:37:56] <Deddly> Althego, about
landing on the tail by heading up and then back down on the rear
engine, yes that would be the way to go, but it isn't easy anyway,
because you gain a lot of altitude and have to reverse your plane
without going too far, and in reverse, control surfaces do the
exact opposite of what you want them to do,
L263[06:38:41] <Althego> yes sas reverses
in reverse and destabilizes your craft
L264[06:38:55] <Althego> i had more than
one landing on eve without sas because of this :)
L266[06:41:43] <Eddi|zuHause> you can
invert control surfaces?
L267[06:41:55] <Althego> only
deployment
L268[06:42:08] <Althego> but your
direction of flight inverts them in effect
L269[06:42:26] <Eddi|zuHause> ?
L270[06:42:47] <APlayer> Althego: What
wizardry is that?
L271[06:43:04] <APlayer> Or is it larger
than it looks like?
L272[06:43:32] <APlayer> Smaller* than it
looks like
L273[06:43:32] <Althego> it is as it is
written and what it looks like. an open pit mining excavator
L274[06:44:03] <Althego> some of them dont
have tracks but some flat surfaces which they use as a base and can
walk around slowly
L276[06:46:22] <kmath> YouTube - The
Largest Walking Dragline Excavator in The World - Marion 8050
Dragline
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L278[06:51:32] <Eddi|zuHause> this short
film is a bit weird... he travels 5 minutes in time, but in that
time, the earth rotation alone would have taken him like 30km from
his origin point, yet he is still "in the
neighbourhood"
L279[07:00:15] <Black_Eagle> Althego,
couldn't flip the plane around
L280[07:00:32] <Althego> as we said, it is
hard
L281[07:01:01] <Black_Eagle> never argued
that, just told you it didn't work because i said i'd try :P
L282[07:01:22] <Althego> you could try to
use counterweights for this :)
L283[07:01:32] <Althego> but then why not
add fuel as counterweight :)
L284[07:03:32] <Eddi|zuHause> well, i
suppose if you're willing to make alterations to the plane, then
you should probably rework it to avoid that kind of landing instead
:p
L285[07:04:50] <Althego> obviously
L286[07:05:10] <Althego> still, landing
with a plane on duna is about as hard as landing on tylo
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L290[07:27:09] <Black_Eagle> ok i
landed
L291[07:28:31] <Black_Eagle> and i only
spent 200 fuel landing. would have been probably cheaper to just
retroburn to stop
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L300[08:08:51] <Black_Eagle> yeah so ran
out of fuel. had 3.7k dV at 70km LKO for the whole trip
L301[08:08:55] <Black_Eagle> dunno what i
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L303[08:10:00] <Fluburtur> weather is nice
today so I will take the vg33 to a ride again
L304[08:10:09] <Fluburtur> tweak the
controls a bit
L305[08:10:12] <Althego> 1100 to duna, at
least 200 to land. 2000 to come up, around 700 to comeb ack
L306[08:10:23] <Fluburtur> I actually want
it to be less reactive
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L308[08:11:47] <Black_Eagle> someone said
3000 is possible but i guess that's no lithobraking and all
parachutes
L309[08:11:53] <Black_Eagle> but hey, i
added parachutes
L310[08:12:08] <Althego> all parchutes
needs more mass than a bit of fuel
L311[08:12:11] <Fluburtur> use the m700
scanner for lithobraking
L312[08:12:24] <Althego> you can land with
a single parachute and a weak engine in combo
L313[08:15:24] <Black_Eagle> it's a space
plane, i can't turn it around. my nerva does help me though because
it's slanted and points a little downwards
L314[08:16:33] <Black_Eagle> i'll try
again. i added some small wheels in the back to help bouncy
L315[08:16:36] <Black_Eagle>
unbounce
L316[08:17:40] <Althego> for rough
landings i go with the widely spaced triangle wheel position. so
back wheels as far back as possible as wide as possible. possibly
the whole plane is around a triangle with the wheels at the
corners
L317[08:17:41] <Black_Eagle> and about
1000 more fuel but now i just don't know if i can make it into
kerbin orbit :P we'll see!
L318[08:17:53] <Black_Eagle> yeah, moved
the wheels quite a bit apart
L319[08:18:02] <Black_Eagle> and front
wheel waaaaay front
L320[08:19:23] <Black_Eagle> should i
lower my braking force as well?
L321[08:19:50] <Althego> not really
L322[08:20:31] <Althego> only if the wants
to somersault
L324[08:26:41] <kmath> YouTube - FloWave
Exhibition Video 2014
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L329[08:38:33] <Black_Eagle> yass made it
into orbit with larger tanks. but now i can't remember how much
fuel i had last time so it's possible i just lowered my dV
L330[08:38:46] <Althego> hehe
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L332[08:41:57] <Black_Eagle> climbing 30t
orbit with a rapier and nerva is...weird. took half a kerbin to
gain the speed
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L336[08:43:43] <Black_Eagle> well, 200
more dV. now at 4.1k
L337[08:44:02] <Althego> that might make
it
L338[08:44:20] <Black_Eagle> i have
parachutes this time
L339[08:44:32] <Althego> alternatively you
could take the small isru
L340[08:44:39] <Althego> and less
fuel
L342[09:00:23] <Fluburtur> because I want
to make old planes
L344[09:01:17] <Eddi|zuHause> why is that
logo an unhealthy looking swan?
L345[09:01:34] <Fluburtur> idk
L346[09:01:42] <Eddi|zuHause> i mean, that
neck shape is not good ;)
L347[09:01:58] <Fluburtur> eh idk, swans
can usually do that
L348[09:02:10] <Fluburtur> like when they
go fluff up their tail feathers
L349[09:02:50] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, when
landed, but while flying?
L350[09:03:01] <Eddi|zuHause> or in case
of swan... watered :p
L351[09:03:11] <Fluburtur> swans can do
whatever they want
L352[09:03:17] <Fluburtur> they don't
really care what we think
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L355[09:17:32] <Fluburtur> day 2 of flight
testing the vg33
L356[09:17:44] <Fluburtur> I will tweak
the controls a bit and maybe try some harder maneuvers
L358[09:21:34] <kmath> YouTube - Martin
Hawaii Mars - Flight to Oshkosh
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L362[09:49:16] <DogeGAMR> Hi
L363[09:49:17] <Mod9000> Hello,
DogeGAMR
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L369[09:57:26] <DogeGAMR> How many people
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L373[10:19:27] <Black_Eagle> many
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L380[10:21:50] <Black_Eagle> but it can
indeed complete a round trip to duna and back
L381[10:22:14] <JVFoxy> geh... ok
so...
L382[10:22:25] <JVFoxy> 8 kerbals want
orbital trip.. 2 needs rescue..
L383[10:22:50] <JVFoxy> one rescue is one
star, the other is 3... does the 3 stars mean kerbal way out in
high orbit or something?
L384[10:23:10] <Black_Eagle> probably. you
can check that from the tracking station, though
L385[10:23:33] <Black_Eagle> you'll have
to make note of the specs of the mission and then try and
understand which of the orbits is the rescue one
L386[10:24:05] <JVFoxy> don't think
tracking shows you where the kerbal is till you take the rescue
contract..
L387[10:24:20] <Black_Eagle> it
should
L388[10:25:31] <JVFoxy> let me test
something
L389[10:28:09] <Black_Eagle> you're right
though, i can't find that anymore. pretty sure i've been able to
see some things about the missions i've been given
L390[10:28:15] <JVFoxy> mm.. I know with
satellites, shows you proposed orbits... rescue contracts dont'
show anything till you accept them
L391[10:29:29] <JVFoxy> lol... ok
so...
L392[10:30:01] <JVFoxy> I accepted the
missions.. turns out the ships are pretty close to each other in
orbit
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L395[10:44:09] <JVFoxy> sigh... really
wish mk1 crew cabin can be radial attached
L396[10:45:05] <Althego> byt he power of
gr... cubic octagonal strut
L397[10:45:28] <Althego> that is the glue
that makes impossible possible
L398[10:47:52] <JVFoxy> which I do a lot
of...
L399[10:48:13] <JVFoxy> trouble is.. cabin
still ends up using a node on the end..
L400[10:48:33] <JVFoxy> so.. another strut
on the end.. I guess
L401[10:49:24] <Althego> rock tumbling and
polishing. didnt know this was a thing. but turns unremarkable
ordinary rocks to shiny colored stones
L402[10:51:37] <JVFoxy> heh.. decorative
stones.. seen them sometimes in shops, words etched on one side of
some fairly flat ones.
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L405[10:56:22] <Eddi|zuHause> don't rescue
missions show up in the tracking station before you accept
them?
L406[10:56:32] <Althego> yes
L407[10:56:35] <Althego> as most missions
do
L408[10:56:59] <Althego> in order for you
to see if you want to accept them or not
L409[10:57:26] <JVFoxy> don't show for
me.. unless I"m missing something
L410[10:57:52] <Eddi|zuHause> would be
nice to have a quick access button in the mission list, to go to
tracking station
L411[10:57:55] <Althego> can be a mod. or
looking at the wrong body
L412[10:57:55] <Eddi|zuHause> and
back
L413[10:58:31] <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you
disabled showing untracked objects?
L414[10:58:44] <Eddi|zuHause> or unknown
objects
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L418[11:02:08] <JVFoxy> fully upgraded
tracking station?
L419[11:02:47] <JVFoxy> arg.. also stupid
router/isp.. something's been buggy here since a week ago now.
Getting annoying
L420[11:04:00] <Althego> fully upgraded
station is only needed for asteroids
L422[11:06:24] <JVFoxy> just checked the
wiki... its only after accepting a rescue contract will it spawn
the unfortunate kerbal in place...
L423[11:06:31] <Mat2ch> Ah, no flying
props today? ;)
L424[11:08:42] <Althego> isnt that pic
from yesterday?
L425[11:09:30] <JVFoxy> Fluburtur nice..
got to test fly it.. how's it preform?
L426[11:09:42] <Fluburtur> very nice
L427[11:09:47] <Fluburtur> it is very
docile and kinda slow
L428[11:11:06] <JVFoxy> slow is good...
you don't want it reacting too fast on you
L429[11:11:40] <JVFoxy> slow flying or
slow controls?
L430[11:12:09] <Fluburtur> slow
flying
L431[11:12:15] <Fluburtur> the controls
can be very reactivre
L433[11:12:29] <Mat2ch> oh, how much does
it weight?
L434[11:12:34] <Fluburtur> 1.2kg
L435[11:13:27] <JVFoxy> well it is a big
profile..
L436[11:13:44] <JVFoxy> everything got
smoothed out I hope..?
L437[11:14:00] <Fluburtur> yeah
L438[11:14:51] <Fluburtur> but I need to
make a new nose section
L440[11:15:02] <Fluburtur> ole one is
kinda broke and not very good
L441[11:15:07] <JVFoxy> I know some people
like the speed. I'm like 'but it goes out there so fast, you have
to keep pulling it in all the time..
L442[11:15:32] <Fluburtur> well it looks
like it could go fast
L443[11:15:40] <Fluburtur> but it would
need more power and thinner wings
L444[11:15:49] <Fluburtur> I made the
wings really thick for the scale look
L445[11:16:40] <JVFoxy> I kind of like hte
scale look.. speed
L446[11:17:30] <JVFoxy> but ya.. thin
wings, make them weaker unless you reinforce them. Faster you go,
don't need as much lift from the wings. But slower tends to suffer
unless you flaps it
L447[11:17:52] <Fluburtur> I kinda want to
retrofit flaps in this one
L448[11:18:41] <JVFoxy> can get
complicated... more for helping to land or ?
L449[11:18:56] <Fluburtur> scale looks and
flying slow
L450[11:19:30] <JVFoxy> well you said it
already flies slow... but is that more a feeling or ?
L451[11:19:56] <Fluburtur> nah it is one
of my slowest airplanes
L452[11:20:05] <Fluburtur> at least it
looks like it should fly faster
L453[11:20:17] <Fluburtur> but that's
because it has a tribalde prop, more torque but less speed
L454[11:20:54] <JVFoxy> try different
pitch?
L455[11:21:20] <Fluburtur> it is a
10x6" prop, already quite pitchy
L456[11:21:30] <JVFoxy> just be careful..
dramatic speed change can throw your momentum off.. used to fast,
then switching to slow.. visa versa
L457[11:21:40] <Fluburtur> I guess I could
fit a more powerful engine but it would lose efficiency then and
not gain much
L458[11:22:10] <Fluburtur> the current
power setup is as efficient as can be so far so I would need to
change both prop and motor to get it faster
L459[11:22:25] <JVFoxy> guess depends on
style/setup you want.
L460[11:22:53] <Fluburtur> yeah
L461[11:23:08] <Fluburtur> I will see how
well the fiberglass ones do with the current setup
L462[11:24:55] <JVFoxy> at last you in
open field.. not on flight line.. I know depending on where you
are, some limits. Have to pass tests to prove you fly ok
L463[11:25:01] <JVFoxy> last-least
L464[11:25:24] <Fluburtur> well, the
prototype pretty much passes the test exept for speed
L465[11:25:34] <Fluburtur> I did a few
rolls earlier and they were very good
L466[11:25:38] <Fluburtur> using ailerons
and rudder
L467[11:25:43] <Fluburtur> didn't attempt
a loop however
L468[11:25:50] <Fluburtur> and it stalls
very gently
L469[11:26:00] <JVFoxy> whats it based off
again?
L470[11:26:12] <Fluburtur> arsenal
vg33
L471[11:27:33] <JVFoxy> small fench
fighter... suppose to fast, not much range..
L472[11:28:03] <Fluburtur> yeah it was
supposed to bring french fighters back to the level
L473[11:28:13] <JVFoxy> what did you coat
your's with?
L474[11:28:19] <Fluburtur> nothing
L475[11:28:26] <Fluburtur> some tap on the
wings and fuselage at most
L476[11:28:31] <Eddi|zuHause> so what's
limiting the speed then? propeller shape? propeller rotation
speed?
L477[11:28:34] <Fluburtur> the fuselage is
3d printed
L478[11:28:40] <Eddi|zuHause> air
resistance?
L479[11:28:49] <Fluburtur> yeah propeller
type and speed
L480[11:29:12] <JVFoxy> overall surface
texture... surface drag
L481[11:29:25] <JVFoxy> then its profile
drag
L482[11:29:25] <Fluburtur> it rotates at
like 7k rpm at most
L483[11:29:40] <Fluburtur> static thrust
of 750g and pitch speed of 65kph
L484[11:30:12] <Fluburtur> if it had more
pitch it would go faster
L485[11:30:52] <JVFoxy> more pitch needs
more torque
L486[11:31:16] <Fluburtur> torque isn't a
problem, I have a big 900kv motor on there
L487[11:31:16] <JVFoxy> finer pitch takes
more RPM
L488[11:31:48] <Fluburtur> I could use a
smaller prop with higher pitch
L489[11:32:15] <Fluburtur> I would
sacrifice static thrust for more speed
L490[11:33:13] <Eddi|zuHause> so that
basically works like gear ratios?
L491[11:33:30] <JVFoxy> don't look at just
the power/prop... if the hull and the wings of the plane aren't
very smooth, its going to cause more drag the more power you put
on
L492[11:34:07] <Fluburtur> yeah that
fuselage isn't the smoothest but it's not that bad
L493[11:34:23] <Fluburtur> Eddi|zuHause
basically yeah, you trade "air torque" for speed
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L495[11:35:01] <JVFoxy> props are almost
like gears in a car..
L496[11:35:13] <JVFoxy> finer pitch, grips
the air better but has to spin faster..
L497[11:35:48] <JVFoxy> deeper pitch good
for speed but needs a bit more torque.. bad preformer, may even
stall slower air speeds if running too fast
L498[11:36:19] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm assuming
there's a minimum of this "air torque" or you won't take
off?
L499[11:37:04] <Fluburtur> yeah if you
have a prop with very high pitch is basically wo'nt work at lower
airspeed
L500[11:37:11] <JVFoxy> more like you'd be
wasting a lot of power at first.. till you get moving
L501[11:37:14] <Fluburtur> because the
airfoil of the propeller will be stalled
L502[11:37:28] <Mat2ch> it's like hitting
the air sideways then
L503[11:37:39] <Fluburtur> and fitting a
variable pitch prop in planes that small is kinda hard but it would
be beneficial
L504[11:37:43] <Fluburtur> I guess I could
try
L505[11:37:51] <JVFoxy> how much pitch to
the air a prop can stand depends on the profile before it
stalls
L506[11:38:14] <Althego> that plane is not
too small
L507[11:38:29] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't
think i've understood how stalling works yet
L508[11:38:50] <JVFoxy> props also suffer
from whats called P-factor.. or asymmetrical thrust when airflow
doesn't come directly at it
L509[11:38:51] <Althego> really
understanding anything aero would take years
L513[11:41:57] <kmath> YouTube - Airflow
during a stall.
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L515[11:48:38] <Althego> they have gone to
plaid
L516[11:52:57] <JVFoxy> eh... just got
word, plane got stolen out of sea-tac, then crashed after doing
stunts...
L517[11:53:47] <Althego> yes
L518[11:53:51] <JVFoxy> q-400...
L519[11:54:29] <JVFoxy> I live just north,
across border and hearing about this now.. though massive barge
fire smoking up half the city most of the day sorta got majory of
the news I guess.
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L524[12:05:14] <Althego> hehehehe
L525[12:05:22] <Althego> hopefully
tomorrow we can see this
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L528[12:30:56] <JVFoxy> derrrr...
L529[12:31:01] <Althego> p
L530[12:31:07] <JVFoxy> as Scott said.. a
rocket that sets itself on fire
L531[12:31:13] <Althego> yes
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L537[12:36:32] <Althego> using the wrong
tailfins?
L538[12:36:45] <Althego> those have very
little action
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L540[12:36:52] <Althego> i basically never
user htem
L541[12:37:09] <Eraknelo> I'm trying to
reset my password on the forum, but it ALWAYS says "passwords
do not match" while resetting :\
L542[12:37:34] <JVFoxy> they seem to
work... I just need something to guide, swivel engines helps with
control as well.
L543[12:38:08] <JVFoxy> ok.. distracted...
'check yo staging' >.<
L544[12:38:13] <JVFoxy> SRBs only fired
off
L545[12:40:10] <JVFoxy> nice srb
seperation...
L546[12:40:37] <JVFoxy> gotta love the
little dance they do on way out... stupid separator drag...
L547[12:41:01] <JVFoxy> sometimes gets so
bad, they pop off, then suddenly slam each other behind the rocket
because of that bit of drag
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L549[12:42:49] <Eraknelo> Any forum
administrator here?
L550[12:44:01] <Blaank> Looks high drag
but fine.
L551[12:44:02] <JVFoxy> doh.. srb and
booster burn out too close..
L552[12:44:23] <JVFoxy> +extra tank, bump
up booster power..
L553[12:45:35] <JVFoxy> design I had
yesterday didn't have an inter stage... it was just srb+booster
then craft
L554[12:50:38] <JVFoxy> yay LKO... though
maybe could do without having 4 terriers in the inster stage...
should try 2 instead
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L556[12:50:59] <JVFoxy> if wondering: 8
orbital tourist contracts, 2 rescues
L557[12:54:20] <JVFoxy> now for re-entry
test
L558[12:54:28] <Althego> that may be a bit
problematic
L559[12:56:35] <JVFoxy> touchdown
L560[12:57:35] <JVFoxy> ya, I had troubles
figuring out what to do about heatshields. I knew mk1 pod can do
safely, barely, from 70km circular orbit, no shield.. this, I just
need to make sure I'm able to slow down enough first
L561[12:57:55] <JVFoxy> extra gyro's and
batteries in the rounded nose cones.. probably too much battery but
I'd rathe rnot run out
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L566[13:08:01] <Althego> not really. when
you take two hitch hikers to the mun
L567[13:08:19] <JVFoxy> I could.. but
didn't have research for it yet
L568[13:08:47] <JVFoxy> oh and one wanted
hi-g tour after I was done testing.. I got my cheetah on the ready
for him now
L569[13:09:15] <JVFoxy> just take the
plane out, fly straight up, pitch over, dive for the ground. Pull
up last second ;P
L570[13:09:45] <JVFoxy> mind you.. gotta
take care, pilot tends to black out sometimes too
L571[13:11:20] <Althego> hehe, i didnt
know that the a380 needed a separate category. so in communication
they append "super" after the callsign (in contrast to
the previously heaviest "heavy" category)
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L573[13:12:20] <JVFoxy> yup
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L575[13:12:47] <JVFoxy> you know why they
call them heavy.. super heavy?
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L580[13:26:27] <Blaank> Humm... I usually
use a well tuned low fuel SRB for the high g adventures. Fine line
between pulling enough G's and burning off the parachute.
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L582[13:30:46] <JVFoxy> figured
plane...fuel is cheap and I can return everything
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L585[13:33:59] <JVFoxy> phew.. surface
landing, thought was going to fall over. all good
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L587[13:34:24] <Althego> what is not
surface landing? is there volume landing?
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L589[13:36:40] <Tank2333> does not the
word landing imply a solid surface like "land" ?
L590[13:36:58] <BlackMoon> Althego: get
off the internet dad. Also, water.
L591[13:37:03] <Althego> water landing
always seemed an oxymoron
L592[13:37:58] <BlackMoon> its a water
watering.
L593[13:38:02] <JVFoxy> was hoping water
landing.. but seems to land on teh surface ok
L594[13:38:13] <JVFoxy> but now...
contract completion list just showing blank. :\
L595[13:38:27] <Tank2333> Thanks
obama
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L597[13:44:29] <JVFoxy> ok fixed.. just
had to reload
L600[13:45:06] <JVFoxy> was another for
Kerbin's Junkyard... but eh..
L601[13:45:07] <Althego> hehe
L604[13:50:11] <JVFoxy> the 4 originals...
not rescued. Haven't needed to ....
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L607[13:54:47] <BlackMoon> Protip: Flag
planting is the most EXP you can get. Flag on mun+minmus = level
2
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L609[13:55:12] <BlackMoon> I sent tour
buses over to the muns for mass flag planting expeditions
L610[13:56:16] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not
sure, but one day i was under the impression that everyone got flag
planting XP if only one on the mission planted a flag.
L611[13:57:45] <Althego> also going
outside of soi and back: 3 stars
L612[13:57:49] <Eddi|zuHause> also, to
reiterate my question from yesterday: what's the status of FAR?
it's not listed as 1.4.x compatible, does it still work?
L613[13:57:51] <JVFoxy> ugh ok.. two more
rescue missions show up.. I don't need more. >.>
L614[13:58:30] <Eddi|zuHause> if you keep
doing rescue missions, the game will just generate more of
them
L615[13:58:31] <Althego> you always need
more sla... kerbals
L616[13:58:35] <JVFoxy> thankfully they
don't spawn till you accept them. I got enough garbage from other
operators float'n around in orbit right now
L617[14:00:04] <Althego> i didnt progress
with the packaged plane
L618[14:00:15] <Althego> i dont have an
interesting way to transport it
L619[14:00:28] <Althego> i think i need to
put it inside an other plane
L620[14:00:34] <JVFoxy> I've been itching
to setup a polar base...
L621[14:00:40] <Althego> but i have
already done that once
L622[14:01:02] <Althego> needs to be
something else
L623[14:01:19] <Althego> maybe launching
from submarine?
L624[14:01:23] <JVFoxy> maybe I'll install
kerbal attachments/inventory, send some cargo up there...
L625[14:02:24] <Althego> the best would be
if i could combine it with an electric prop and launch it to
eve
L626[14:02:53] <Althego> because the
previous eve plane looked really stupid on a rocket
L627[14:02:57] <JVFoxy> Althego such a big
craft... mobile flying base sorta idea?
L628[14:04:42] <Althego> what big
craft
L629[14:13:36] <JVFoxy> sorry.. mixed ya
up with someone else then I guess. another was working on swing
wing for plane but also had refinery and other things on it
L630[14:13:47] <Althego> i have
L631[14:13:51] <Althego> but the small
one
L632[14:13:54] <JVFoxy> ok
L633[14:14:21] <Althego> the big plane guy
is transitbiker
L634[14:14:26] <Althego> but i havent seen
him around lately
L635[14:15:44] <JVFoxy> ah
L636[14:16:00] <Althego> he makes huge an
dreally uglyp lanes
L637[14:17:36] <JVFoxy> not fan of ...
'messy' either.
L638[14:17:49] <JVFoxy> some reason the
'cheetah' I made really appeals to me
L639[14:18:25] <Fluburtur> so, I have to
glue the tail of the vg33 back on and make a new nose
L640[14:19:06] <JVFoxy> Fluburtur so you
did crash it? I was wondering that picture of it looking like was
going to clip wing in the field there
L641[14:19:19] <Fluburtur> oh it did
L642[14:19:27] <Althego> hehe
L643[14:19:37] <JVFoxy> ah.. imagine if it
was faster.. how much more damage
L644[14:19:40] <Fluburtur> the tail
unglued itself cleanly because I didn't put tape and the nose was
already quite damaged
L645[14:19:45] <Eddi|zuHause> so, is it
possible to make a plane part that has a hatch and can be used by a
kerbal, but not assigned from the hangar before mission start (like
command seats?)
L646[14:20:00] <Eddi|zuHause> bonus points
if the hatch has a ladder that can reach the ground
L647[14:20:02] <Fluburtur> and I need to
change the design of the nose a bit
L648[14:20:27] <JVFoxy> Eddi|zuHause I'm
guessing not including the one already on the cockpits?
L649[14:20:32] <Althego> in some cases if
you move the root node the editor doesnt put in a kerbal
automatically
L650[14:20:42] <Eddi|zuHause> yes. not
including, but similar, to that
L651[14:20:44] <Althego> but that was
mostly annoying me, and less useful
L652[14:20:59] <Eddi|zuHause> JVFoxy:
problem with the cockpit hatch is that it can't be used by people
sitting in the crew cabin
L653[14:21:00] <JVFoxy> there had been
talk about including a hatch on the mk1 crew cabin...
L654[14:21:19] <Althego> there is a hatch
on it
L655[14:21:22] <JVFoxy> other than that...
I know firespitter has a cabin with a hatch on the side but it
looks more likely used for heli parts
L656[14:21:39] <JVFoxy> mk1 has hatches on
ends.. ya. but put anything new them, it complains
L657[14:22:12] <Althego> oh you mean
crewed part, not cockpit
L658[14:23:38] <Eddi|zuHause> what i want
is something like: cockpit, crew cabin^n, hatch, utilities,
tail
L659[14:23:46] <JVFoxy> Eddi|zuHause as
far as I know... crew inside can only use hatches on the part the
reside in
L660[14:24:05] <Eddi|zuHause> so i want
the hatch part to have a "seat", that i can transfer
kerbals to
L661[14:24:08] <JVFoxy> there are add-on
parts, that gives you a hatch, but in order for them to work, crew
has be 'sitting inside' said part
L662[14:24:22] <Eddi|zuHause> but not
available as a "start with a kerbal on this part" during
crew assignment in the hangar
L663[14:24:28] <Althego> there is the
inflatable airlock in the expansion
L664[14:24:41] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't have
the expansion
L665[14:24:47] <Althego> that could serve
as a hatch and it cant be crewed if deflated
L666[14:25:13] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly
sure the functionality for what i want is there
L667[14:25:25] <Eddi|zuHause> just has to
be put together the right way
L668[14:25:50] <Eddi|zuHause> is there any
guides on making a part?
L669[14:26:00] <Althego> probably
L670[14:26:37] <JVFoxy> I'm sure there is
already been something done... a lot of people have talked about
how annoying it is the mk1 crew cabin hasn't a side hatch
L671[14:26:40] <Eddi|zuHause> problem is,
if i start making a mod, i'll never play the game ever again
:p
L672[14:26:52] <Althego> hehe
L673[14:27:27] <JVFoxy> I've made parts..
well modified a part.. or two. When KSP got past a certain version,
think they changed something where I couldn't modify props inside
cockpits easily
L674[14:28:07] <Fluburtur> I think I will
put a video system in my vg33
L675[14:28:14] <JVFoxy> I turned an
adapter cone into a service module... I think I can still do
that..
L676[14:29:15] <Eddi|zuHause> what i'd
probably also like is a 2.5m crew cabin that seats 4 people
L677[14:29:31] <JVFoxy> other than the
flat mk2 body style?
L678[14:30:15] <Eddi|zuHause> no, not the
flat one
L679[14:30:31] <JVFoxy> actually, now you
mention it, I would love to make a mk1 body style thats double
length mk1 cabin for 4 crew, but comes with various interiors
L680[14:31:30] <JVFoxy> or just the
regular mk1 with a few interior ideas...
L681[14:31:35] <Eddi|zuHause> what's
always felt a bit odd was the reverse seat in the crew cabin
L683[14:31:51] <Althego> business plane.
must hold a meeting during flight
L684[14:32:27] <JVFoxy> heh.. side bench,
side by side
L685[14:32:47] <Eddi|zuHause> Fluburtur:
about 2 words in that title made any sense at all
L686[14:33:04] <Eddi|zuHause> JVFoxy:
military truck style?
L687[14:33:08] <Fluburtur> you need to
learn more chenglish
L688[14:33:14] <Althego> hehe
L689[14:33:23] <Althego> the language of
the future
L690[14:34:13] *
JVFoxy finds but and chokes on 15 lines of address text.
>.<
L691[14:34:18] <JVFoxy> sec..
L693[14:35:09] <Althego> i always thought
it wanted to be something llike that
L694[14:35:53] <Eddi|zuHause> JVFoxy:
that's a tiny bit bigger than 1.25m
L695[14:36:13] <JVFoxy> was more to show,
side ways couch for sitting two in plane
L696[14:36:47] <Eddi|zuHause> just wanted
to say, that's not very kerbal :p
L698[14:37:40] <Althego> lol
L699[14:37:50] <JVFoxy> day when planes
become RV's.... ummm..
L700[14:38:16] <Blaank> I have serious
doubts about the pressurization system on that.
L701[14:38:38] <Blaank> Also your view is
going to be an airport.
L702[14:38:45] <Althego> or rather the
quality of pressure isolation
L703[14:38:52] <Blaank> Unless you plan on
landing on dirt runways in remote locations.
L704[14:40:19] <Althego> but there is
nothing there
L705[14:40:29] <Althego> so why would you,
it is exatly the same as with the airpport
L706[14:40:39] <Althego> make it a
hydroplane
L707[14:40:52] <Althego> then you can land
right next to some tropical island
L708[14:41:22] <Althego> maybe also do
some scuba driving
L709[14:41:45] <JVFoxy> it looks like its
based off the BAE 85.. which is considered a short runway type
aircraft. It was used in a particular UK airport exclusively
because of quiet and short takeoff/land role
L710[14:42:54] <JVFoxy> pressurizing
probably isn't too hard a challenge. swing up cargo doors been
around a while now. Probably used the same concept on the platform
under it on the hull seals
L711[14:43:19] <Althego> whoever buys it,
i hope the door swing open at t 30k feet :)
L712[14:43:39] <Althego> rich guy sitting
there, and the next moment, puff, gone
L713[14:43:47] <JVFoxy> sadly.. it has
already happened on commercial airliners in teh past.. not on that
particular one but I think the DC-10 had issues
L714[14:45:22] <Eddi|zuHause> but on which
busy business airport will you open that and enjoy the view?
L715[14:45:30] <JVFoxy> it was mostly
related to the latching system being improperly designed and
defeated. Someone forced the door latch, which bent a rod that held
claws in place..
L716[14:45:59] <JVFoxy> plane like that..
wouldn't go to busy airports.. probably have private island
runway..
L717[14:46:29] <Althego> yes, i am a fan
of air crash investigations :)
L718[14:46:40] <Althego> used to binge
watch it on youtube before flying :9
L719[14:46:51] <Eddi|zuHause> well,
chances are on a private island you'd have an office for that kind
of meetings. i'd say this is more for quick
during-trip-meetings
L720[14:47:05] <Althego> no, you dont
understand
L721[14:47:12] <Althego> the point is not
to use it
L722[14:47:14] <Althego> but to have
it
L723[14:47:16] <Althego> because you
can
L724[14:47:36] <JVFoxy> like hte RV that
can also double as a boat on water?
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L726[14:48:02] <JVFoxy> they had a hard
time selling that thing... people were scared taking it out on the
water
L727[14:48:09] <Althego> hehe
L728[14:48:33] <BlackMoon> hard to explain
to your auto insurance that your house sank
L729[14:48:49] <Althego> happens all the
time
L730[14:49:00] <Althego> people build
houses on river banks
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L732[14:49:09] <Althego> then they wonder
why water flooded them
L733[14:50:34] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, and
the insurance will only pay for rebuilding the house, but not for
moving away to a safer location
L734[14:50:58] <Eddi|zuHause> so the same
house will need insurance over and over and over
L735[14:51:10] <Althego> also from george
carlin: people build their homes on an active volcano, theen they
wonder why they have lava in the living room
L736[14:51:26] <Eddi|zuHause> with the
owners not having enough money to move, because the building won't
sell
L737[14:51:34] <JVFoxy> then you get
places that ends up flash flooding your home with mud. End of the
day, turns into solid earth
L738[14:52:14] <Althego> heh, the red mud
catastrophe thing (which was because of neglect)
L739[14:52:14] <JVFoxy> shrug.. homes can
sink into the ground too..
L740[14:52:31] <Althego> not only mud, but
poisonous and radioactive
L741[14:52:32] <Eddi|zuHause> (that's
usually state funded insurance, because no private insurer would
ever sell you insurance for that house)
L742[14:53:07] <Althego> heh that was
already 7 years ago, time flies when you get old
L743[14:54:02] <JVFoxy> wonder when
someone drains a whole lake by accident...
L744[14:54:20] <Althego> ho w do you drain
a lake by accident
L746[14:54:37] <Eddi|zuHause> well, people
created lakes by accident
L747[14:54:44] <Althego> too dark
L748[14:54:50] <Althego> what is there to
be seen?
L749[14:55:10] <Eddi|zuHause> i've had KSC
float in the air before
L750[14:55:14] <Eddi|zuHause> but never
this dark
L751[14:55:30] <BlackMoon> not much, just
super dark KSC, with stars on top of some of the buildings
L752[14:56:05] <Althego> also somebody
should convince squad to at least add some rudimentary radio
aids
L753[14:56:13] <Althego> for the
runways
L754[14:56:15] <Althego> -s
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L756[14:56:27] <Althego> or something that
is targettable
L757[14:56:35] <Althego> why are the icons
not targettable?
L759[14:56:35] <BlackMoon> I want a
bitching betty, "Pull up. Pull up. Terrain. Terrain. too low.
Pull up"
L760[14:56:49] <Althego> hehehe
L761[14:57:02] <Eddi|zuHause> "in
300m, turn left"?
L762[14:57:09] <Althego> and make it all
in kerbal
L763[14:57:31] <BlackMoon> Swaa skwaaa
swkaaa.
L764[14:57:34] <Althego> something like
chatterer just situation sensitive
L765[14:57:43] <JVFoxy> I figured, if it
was bad enough, I'd drop a rover at the end of the runway.. use the
marker it creates as a guidance.
L766[14:57:46] <Althego> probably isnt
hard to make
L767[14:58:01] <Althego> yes, but why do
you need to do these tricks?
L768[14:58:20] <JVFoxy> way I see it, KSP
is stock...barebones
L769[14:58:23] <JVFoxy> add what you
want
L770[14:58:40] <Althego> say you are
flying back from a long way, you have to do dead reckoning, surely
it will not be the shortest route. i dont do the haversine in my
head
L771[14:59:12] <JVFoxy> think kerbinside
still adds radio aids.. you can customize your own in
L772[14:59:17] <JVFoxy> I haven't used it
in a while though
L773[15:00:44] <Althego> i dont want to
maintain another system. i have enough. and i am not even a
sysadmin
L774[15:01:01] <JVFoxy> I thinking it be
nice to have at least some kind of way to build an airbase on the
other main continent. More so I don't have to fly halfway around
the world for some of the waypoints
L775[15:01:17] <Althego> there is the
desert runway
L776[15:01:29] <Althego> and baikerbanur
or whatsitsname
L777[15:02:00] <Althego> but as i said not
even the icons are targettable, let alone having a
landingguidance
L778[15:02:05] <JVFoxy> I know baiker is
tucked away in some mountains..
L779[15:03:22] <Althego> but there is
nothing on the huge east continent
L780[15:03:40] <JVFoxy> where's the desert
runway even?
L781[15:04:06] <Althego> in the
desert
L782[15:04:11] <Althego> maybe expansion
only
L783[15:04:18] <JVFoxy> wiki says
expansion only .. ya
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L786[15:07:32] <JVFoxy> ok.. interesting
to know. Baikerbanur, wiki: While craft cannot be launched at this
space center, this space center provides the same recovery bonuses
in career mode as the main KSC. Craft in the vicinity of the inland
KSC space center are recovered for a 98% refund of their value,
while craft recovered from the launchpad obtain a 100%
refund.
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L790[15:12:10] <Supercheese> wait, I
thought you *could* launch from there...
L791[15:12:17] <Supercheese> as of the
expansion
L792[15:12:31] <Supercheese> I don't own
it so I can't check
L793[15:12:35] <Althego> maybe with the
expansion. there is a pseudo russian site where you can
launch
L794[15:12:37] <Althego> but it is
tiny
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L796[15:14:14] <JVFoxy> No.. I know I
can't launch...
L797[15:14:23] <JVFoxy> didn't know about
the recovery part
L799[15:15:03] <Althego> that one is
called the woomerang launch site
L800[15:15:09] <Althego> the other one is
the desert
L801[15:15:50] <JVFoxy> ya just poking
wiki... other than island and baiker.. the rest are just in
expansion
L802[15:16:03] <Althego> hehe i just
noticed now, it is called the dessert :)
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L804[15:20:51] <JVFoxy> on other scale of
things...
L805[15:21:04] <JVFoxy> base directly on
pole.. or somewhere closer to sore?
L806[15:21:06] <JVFoxy> *shore?
L807[15:21:49] <Althego> make it the
pole
L808[15:21:53] <Althego> probably strange
physics there
L809[15:22:07] <JVFoxy> been to the pole
on a previous game...
L810[15:22:11] <JVFoxy> eh...
L811[15:22:11] <Althego> you need polar
satellites for coverage
L812[15:22:21] <JVFoxy> see if I still
have pics
L813[15:23:22] <Eddi|zuHause> i've been to
the polar region, but not at the actual pole
L814[15:23:38] <JVFoxy> I've been directly
on the poke...
L815[15:23:41] <JVFoxy> er pole.. dang
it
L816[15:23:49] <JVFoxy> lets just say..
its not too friedly
L817[15:25:27] <JVFoxy> ok so no
pics...
L818[15:26:20] <JVFoxy> walking over the
direct pole, caused my kerbal to... end up on the ground, but
standing like the ground was vertical instead
L819[15:26:57] <JVFoxy> sort of on its
side, but standing up... not sure if was before or after got
bounced into the air a bit
L820[15:27:16] <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds
fun
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L822[15:27:38] <JVFoxy> so.. not directly
on pole.. maybe beside it.. put warning flags around pole just in
case ;P
L823[15:27:51] <Eddi|zuHause> i once tried
to land a probe on the mun polar region
L824[15:28:02] <JVFoxy> ya same..
L825[15:28:25] <JVFoxy> problem with
surface projections, makes the terrain a lot more crazier.
Something about how further to the pole you go, the height scale
goes weird
L826[15:29:29] <Althego> but the ice is
fortunately flat
L827[15:29:36] <Althego> normally at
least
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L830[15:32:36] <Eddi|zuHause> uhm, yeah,
using a mercator projection for anything even remotely close to the
poles is insane
L831[15:33:37] <Eddi|zuHause> but i still
haven't found out what projection they used on the world map that i
grew up with
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L834[15:35:53] <Althego> i have seen
similar
L835[15:35:59] <Althego> this too because
you already linked it :9
L836[15:36:50] <Eddi|zuHause> but even
there they cut off the poles
L837[15:36:57] <Eddi|zuHause> because it
doesn't make any sense
L838[15:37:04] <Althego> yes, poles can be
a singularity
L839[15:39:12] <Althego> this projections
is not on wiki :)
L840[15:39:31] <Eddi|zuHause> also, it's
difficult to make out in the low res picture, but i think they
didn't put 0° in the center
L841[15:40:08] <Althego> it is a bit to
the left
L842[15:40:22] <Eddi|zuHause> but rather
something like 10°E, to have the cut at 170°W in the bering
strait
L843[15:42:09] <JVFoxy> geez... bigger
version of my cheetah executive jet, 12km height, doing
442m/s
L844[15:42:58] <JVFoxy> I added an
additional mk1 cabin, set of 'strakes' on the front for a bit of
lift balancing....
L845[15:44:02] <JVFoxy> test flight to at
least the ice shelf in the north, seeing how much fuel it uses
up
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L848[16:13:30] <JVFoxy> huh.. still does
pretty good fuel wise.. 450 out of 700 just getting to the pole..
didn't land though. Just passing right over at 12km up
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L853[16:27:38] <kmath> UmbralRaptor: I'll
let supernovy know when I see them
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L855[16:33:27] <JVFoxy> lol.. whoops,
plane has 'floaty wings'..
L856[16:33:41] <JVFoxy> didn't push them
together where they touch the body..
L857[16:34:57] <Supercheese> Boats... with
wings... wingboats
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L859[16:37:08] <Eddi|zuHause> ;wa 3:31EDT
in UTC
L860[16:37:10] <kmath> Eddi|zuHause:
convert 3:31 pm EDT->August 11, 2018 to UTC: 7:31:00 pm
UTC->Saturday, August 11, 2018
L861[16:37:27] <Eddi|zuHause> interesting
that that works
L862[16:38:03] <Eddi|zuHause> ;wa 3:31EDT
in CEST
L863[16:38:06] <kmath> Eddi|zuHause:
convert 3:31 pm EDT->August 11, 2018 to Central European Time
(Germany) (saving): 9:31:00 pm CEST->Saturday, August 11,
2018
L864[16:38:36] <Eddi|zuHause> bonus points
if it could use 24h clock
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L874[17:11:51] <BlackMoon> Supercheese:
Hydroplanes are very much a thing in KSP :)
L875[17:12:13] <BlackMoon> Iv floated like
200 ton nuclear reactors on a couple small fins, 200m/s stable with
just 400kN thrust
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L877[17:12:52] <BlackMoon> Great way to
have/move offshore KSPI reactors
L878[17:13:19] <BlackMoon> (I got tired of
trying to launch 200 ton reactors for suborbital hops, with 200+
parachutes on them..)
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L880[17:15:14] <Supercheese> oof
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L882[17:22:36] <CandyAngel> Are there any
mods which fix stock bugs?
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L884[17:27:41] <Supercheese> the Rescue
contract fix mod comes to mind
L885[17:27:52] <Supercheese> although that
fixes what is more of a Stock/Modded interaction
L886[17:27:55] <Supercheese> rather than
purely stock bug
L887[17:28:25] <Supercheese> also
WorldStabilizer
L888[17:30:52] <JVFoxy> spinning out of
control huh?
L889[17:30:57] <CandyAngel> Thankies for
the hints
L890[17:31:31] <CandyAngel> I played again
after not playing for a while and the bugs are super annoying, like
the Rep->Science one where it consumes twice as much reputation
as it should..
L891[17:36:23] <CandyAngel> Annnd I just
found a bug in CKAN too :(
L892[17:37:07] <BlackMoon>
WorldStabilizer?
L893[17:37:38] <BlackMoon> Ah nm, googled
it
L894[17:37:49] <CandyAngel> Setting up KSP
on my streaming account so I can stream it for my friend. Can't run
CKAN from 2 accounts at the same time -.-
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L898[18:15:50] <Fluburtur> what happens if
I microwave mercury
L899[18:16:44] <BlackMoon> the planet or
element?
L900[18:16:51] <Fluburtur> the
element
L901[18:17:05] <BlackMoon> It gets hotter.
eventually boils.
L902[18:17:17] <Fluburtur> I happen to
have about 300 grams of mercury for very obscure reasons
L903[18:17:29] <BlackMoon> a few months
later, you surfer from irreversible brain damage from heavy metal
poisoning
L904[18:17:41] <BlackMoon> suffer
L905[18:18:17] <BlackMoon> I recommend not
drinking it. Even if you do heat it up in the microwave
first.
L906[18:19:21] <Fluburtur> I don't think
my plastic cups can resist being microwaved
L907[18:19:57] <BlackMoon> Most plastic
cups don't have a will or means of locomotion and as such won't
offer any resistance to being put into the microwave.
L908[18:22:08] <BlackMoon> BTW: mercury
like most liquids is constantly evaporating.
L909[18:22:34] <BlackMoon> Its the fumes
that are the most dangerous part of mercury, since your digestive
tract is poorly equipped to absorb it.
L910[18:22:51] <Fluburtur> I have it in a
sealed container
L911[18:23:03] <BlackMoon> that is good.
Do not huff the mercury. You won't get high or super powers.
L912[18:23:15] <BlackMoon> Just more brain
damage.
L913[18:23:29] <Fluburtur> but there are a
few drops outside
L914[18:23:41] <Fluburtur> I guess I
should put it next to the window then
L915[18:24:14] <JVFoxy> lol.. how ya even
micrwave a planet?
L916[18:24:16] <BlackMoon> Either get the
drops back into the jar, or properly dispose of them (hahahah...
yea.. right... $$$$)
L917[18:24:31] <BlackMoon> JVFoxy: With a
very big microwave of course.
L918[18:24:57] <JVFoxy> I mean.. don't we
already communicate with probes using the microwave bands?
L919[18:25:05] <BlackMoon> Or a very small
one, I mean you don't technically need to shield the thing if you
don't have anyone standing around it..
L920[18:25:40] <BlackMoon> We communicate
with ipads and laptops with microwave bands too.
L921[18:25:46] <BlackMoon> You are being
microwaved right now.
L922[18:25:51] <JVFoxy> hate to say it
but.. mercury vapor is a serious health hazard
L923[18:25:54] <BlackMoon> And so is the
mercury.
L924[18:26:05] <BlackMoon> Yep.
L925[18:26:28] <BlackMoon> Mercury vapor
is extreme level health hazard. you'd be better off licking lead
paint then having that shit around.
L926[18:27:20] <JVFoxy> fortunately,
liquid mercury is easy enough to spot, it clumps up readily.. more
so than water. And it doesn't exactly make things 'wet'
L927[18:27:37] <Fluburtur> yeah mercury is
quite fun to play with
L928[18:27:53] <BlackMoon> fluburtur:
seriously would put any droplets back into the container, and throw
out anything that has been exposed to them and might have micro
droplets
L929[18:27:54] <Fluburtur> if you can dip
your hands in mercury (with gloves that is) you should try it
L930[18:28:25] <BlackMoon> (Technically
throwing it out in regular trash is a HUGE fucking nono, but its
also likely $$$$$$$$$$ to properly dispose of it and a lot of
bullshit...)
L931[18:28:49] <BlackMoon> do not throw
your 300g vial out.. people would probably buy it.
L932[18:28:49] <TheKosmonaut> Language
BlackMoon
L933[18:28:56] <BlackMoon> Opps
sorry.
L934[18:29:17] <JVFoxy> wouldn't even know
how one would dispose of excess mercury... maybe if you had a lab
of some kind around? college/university?
L935[18:29:50] <BlackMoon> JVFoxy: waste
disposal place. Aka place that takes used
oil/gasoline/paint/pesticides/etc.
L936[18:30:23] <BlackMoon> they *should*
take it, since they also will be taking flouresents/mercury halide
bulbs.
L937[18:30:23] <JVFoxy> maybe but good to
check first
L938[18:30:51] <BlackMoon> Yea, you'd have
to call em, and hear em grumble about "NO WAY" till you
tell em their website says they are supposed to accept it lol
L939[18:31:04] <Fluburtur> I don't intend
of getting rid of it anyways
L940[18:31:05] <JVFoxy> they'd probably
more prepared to take certain kinds, certain forms. Maybe not in
rawest forms like liquid metals
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L942[18:31:24] <BlackMoon> local recycling
places here are meh about actually taking what they claim if they
see it as any kinda hassel
L943[18:31:50] <BlackMoon> fluburtur:
Sure, but PLEASE get rid of anything that has been contaminated
with droplets of it.
L944[18:32:16] <JVFoxy> shop I worked with
wanted to dispose of metal tin coated with photosensitive material.
First time they were ok, but wouldn't give anything back funds
wise. Secondtime they refused
L945[18:32:19] <BlackMoon> even if you
just throw it into the trash, that is still 1000x better then
having it sit in your room or something.
L946[18:32:20] <JVFoxy> so much for going
green
L947[18:32:49] <BlackMoon> hahahah.
L948[18:33:01] <JVFoxy> .... certain kinds
of batteries used to have mercury.., people toss them into the
trash all the time. Now the recycling center takes them
L949[18:33:05] <BlackMoon> yea processor
likely told the recycling place they wouldn't take it since it was
'contaminated'
L950[18:33:20] <BlackMoon> alkalines have
been mercury free for ages.
L951[18:33:32] <JVFoxy> hense... certain
'old' batteries I said
L952[18:33:47] <BlackMoon> Nicads are
still around here and there... :)
L953[18:33:49] <JVFoxy> back in those
days, wasn't really a way to recycle them even
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L957[18:42:15] <Draconiator> Yeesh, a lot
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L965[18:53:31] <JVFoxy> airshow over
here
L966[18:54:06] <JVFoxy> blue angel's f-18
flew over the other day.. was like 'the... why they flying in this
area. This isn't america...' then friend told me was airshow
weekend. I had no clue till now
L967[19:01:16] <Rolf> good, the invasion
cover is working
L968[19:01:18] <Rolf> oops
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L970[19:04:09] <mabus> was pretty cool
driving through norfolk, va
L971[19:04:14] <mabus> f22s flying all
over the place
L972[19:04:56] <JVFoxy> sorta mixed
feelings on the f22s for our airforce... gotten kind of fond of the
cf-18s here.. maybe a canadian version of the super hornets
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L976[19:36:52] <BlackMoon> I don't get
remotetech contracts... 'no connectivity to inner planets' to get
inner planets contract...
L977[19:37:14] <BlackMoon> spent forever
trying to achive that, even turned off/destroyed all my sats, no
good, tried changing time incase KSC was connected.. no good.
L978[19:37:26] <BlackMoon> build megasat
and point dish at every planet, suddenly the contract is doable??
wut.
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ground.. early career..
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L985[19:46:12] <BlackMoon> imgur sure is
cranking the quality to potato these days.
L986[19:46:56] <BlackMoon> FVfoxy: yea I
went to see the airshow today in Canada, BC. Had them fly about
100' over my truck.
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L988[19:51:02] <JVFoxy> oooh?
L989[19:51:25] <JVFoxy> hmm.. wonder how
this'll fly... custom plane for dropping a cabin down over near the
north pole
L992[19:51:58] <JVFoxy> would have loved
to go... can't afford. I got lucky back when I volunteered at the
museum of flight
L994[19:52:17] <BlackMoon> JVFoxy: I just
parked a few blocks away and sat on my tailgate :P
L995[19:52:50] <JVFoxy> I got right in
there, mostly because I was helping at the booth for the museum a
few years back
L996[19:53:06] <JVFoxy> I suppose I could
have gone over, sat somewhere nearby but eh.. not the same as being
able to tour the planes
L997[19:53:08] <Rokker> M
L998[19:53:09] <Rokker> U
L999[19:53:09] <JVFoxy> I got pics
L1000[19:53:11] <Rokker> S
L1001[19:53:12] <Rokker> E
L1002[19:53:14] <Rokker> UM
L1003[19:53:18] <Rokker> MUSEUM
L1004[19:53:24] <Rokker> JVFoxy:
MUSEUM
L1005[19:53:24] <JVFoxy> ....
L1006[19:53:57] <Rokker> museum is one of
my ping words
L1008[19:54:02] <Rokker> I like
museums
L1009[19:54:17] <Rokker> museum is my
summon word
L1010[19:54:22] <JVFoxy> oh was like..
its spelled right.. autochecker wasn't throwing a fit at me
L1011[19:54:39] <Rokker> JVFoxy: I wanna
go to the museum of flight
L1012[19:55:26] <Rokker> I mean it still
doesnt hold a candle to my local museum but I still like trying to
visit all the aerospace museums
L1013[19:56:05] <JVFoxy> been to one in
seattle ages ago
L1014[19:56:15] <JVFoxy> back when
concorde sat in the parking lot.. parked under it ;P
L1015[19:56:38] <JVFoxy> then again,
later when it was on the other side of the road early says before
the roof was built
L1016[19:56:47] <JVFoxy> says=days
L1018[19:59:29] <Rokker>
>deviantart
L1019[19:59:34] <Rokker> hmmm
L1020[19:59:43] <Rokker> debating whether
or not to click
L1021[20:00:46] <Rokker> JVFoxy: come to
the national museum of the usaf
L1022[20:03:13] <JVFoxy> I've visited the
Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center, I happened to be near there while
visiting a friend. He offered up the chance to go there, I'd drive
him. His vision meant he couldn't drive... sadly he passed a short
while after I left.
L1023[20:04:46] <Rokker> JVFoxy: well if
you are ever within like... 300-500 miles of dayton it's worth the
long detour
L1024[20:04:47] <Eddi|zuHause>
<JVFoxy> .... certain kinds of batteries used to have
mercury.., people toss them into the trash all the time. Now the
recycling center takes them <-- now we have laws that all shops
need to take back batteries (if they sell them)
L1025[20:04:58] <Rokker> JVFoxy: we have
the XB-70
L1026[20:05:03] <Rokker> and an
F-22
L1027[20:05:06] <Rokker> YF-23
L1028[20:05:55] <Eddi|zuHause> is anyone
here playing adventure games?
L1029[20:06:07] <Eddi|zuHause> and
replaying them for any side achievements?
L1030[20:06:27] <Rokker> I barely have
time to play them for main achievements
L1031[20:06:30] <Eddi|zuHause> (some of
them are crazy hidden)
L1032[20:06:34] <JVFoxy> ugh ok base
transport just ... all over the place. take off a truss, use the
normal tail piece instead of one pointed down, its fllying ..
better.
L1033[20:07:05] <JVFoxy> Edii|zuHause
olden days..
L1034[20:07:26] <Eddi|zuHause> in the
olden days, there were no achievements :p
L1035[20:07:36] <JVFoxy> no.. for your
battery question
L1036[20:08:15] <Eddi|zuHause> as far
back as i can remember, i was always told to not throw batteries
into the trash
L1038[20:08:50] <JVFoxy> mostly they were
button cell types
L1039[20:09:18] <Eddi|zuHause> most
people know mercury from being in thermometers
L1040[20:11:30] <UmbralRaptor> …and
tuna
L1041[20:12:11] <BlackMoon>
Tunamometers.
L1042[20:12:43] <Eddi|zuHause> a few
years ago a family got hospitalized after some kids found a jar of
mercury and brought it back home
L1043[20:12:51] <UmbralRaptor> eek
L1044[20:13:16] <BlackMoon> And now
Fluburtur is playing with the stuff and spilling it, and thinking
about microwaving it -_-
L1045[20:13:53] <BlackMoon> And this is
why we can't have shiny liquid metal things.
L1046[20:15:05] <JVFoxy> just get the
t-900 or whatever to deal with him
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L1048[20:15:24] <JVFoxy> you think the
regular liquid metal is deadly...
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L1050[20:30:25] <JVFoxy> uff.. ok third
try.. this version flying better. used long rocket fuel tank
instead of trusses for the middle.. much more stable. :)
L1051[20:31:12] <JVFoxy> I sort of want
to do a single engine version now.. but .. getting the landing gear
to touch teh ground might be a problem without the underwing
pods
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L1057[20:48:16] <BlackMoon> lol at little
drop pod
L1058[20:48:25] <JVFoxy> only not to be
dropped from flight
L1059[20:48:38] <JVFoxy> land, detatch,
roll away from it
L1060[20:48:45] <JVFoxy> more a
test
L1061[20:48:53] <BlackMoon> Yea, Iv found
it generally easier to do a flight drop. if you circle around till
it lands, it will even work!
L1062[20:49:19] <JVFoxy> thing
is...
L1063[20:49:28] <JVFoxy> I didn't upgrade
the hangar
L1064[20:49:32] <BlackMoon> Of course, if
you want to land with it, thats fun too.
L1065[20:49:33] <JVFoxy> so limited to 30
parts..
L1066[20:49:37] <BlackMoon> ah,
lol.
L1067[20:49:42] <JVFoxy> current config..
28 parts..
L1068[20:49:55] <BlackMoon> thats enough
to put 1 chute on it :0
L1069[20:50:31] <BlackMoon> just deploy
the chute and disconnect the docking coupler as emergency abort,
even if you still normally land it :P
L1070[20:52:00] <JVFoxy> this isn't final
version..
L1071[20:53:05] <JVFoxy> mulling things
over as I fly out.. docking port on the front, thinking next run
I'd send another module out, connects to it.
L1072[20:53:59] <JVFoxy> I was kind of
hoping if I can one engine design, maybe it'll free up some parts
space. I know I can just upgrade the hangar but ...
challenges?
L1073[21:04:13] <BlackMoon> redocking is
pretty tricky too with front mounted ports
L1074[21:04:27] <BlackMoon> vertical
ports you can just retract/extend landing gear, usally...
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L1076[21:05:58] <JVFoxy> getting a little
worried I've burned past my bingo...
L1077[21:06:17] <JVFoxy> I won't know
till I drop off, head back.. its just a test..
L1078[21:06:33] <BlackMoon> hehe. I once
was going to make one more hop
L1079[21:06:44] <BlackMoon> then looked
at my DV and was like oh shit and pulled off a quick orbit
instead
L1080[21:07:03] <BlackMoon> make a node
back home... 6DV left after that burn to 40km PE, lol
L1081[21:07:13] <TheKosmonaut> That's a
few times now BlackMoon
L1082[21:07:45] <BlackMoon> sorry. Not
used to family friendly channels. I'll try harder.
L1083[21:09:55] <JVFoxy> lol..
whoops
L1084[21:10:03] <JVFoxy> forgot, gear
does /all/ gear including the legs
L1085[21:10:23] <BlackMoon> hahah. Iv
been binding solar panels to gear on sats that don't have any
gear.
L1086[21:10:35] <BlackMoon> cause havent
fully upgraded the VAB
L1087[21:16:41] <Rokker> JVFoxy: oh you
know what else my museum has
L1088[21:16:42] <Rokker> rockets
L1089[21:16:48] <Rokker> lovely lovely
rockets
L1090[21:16:53] <Rokker> like a Titan
IV
L1091[21:17:04] <Rokker> the only one
left
L1092[21:17:43] <JVFoxy> ya I was reading
up on that. I didn't realize it lifted off on just SRB's only then
switched to liquid after on the next stage
L1093[21:18:05] <JVFoxy> SRB's considered
stage 0.. like they didn't really consider it a 'proper stage' or
something?
L1094[21:18:19] <Rokker> JVFoxy: and then
the second stage was hotfired too
L1095[21:18:28] <BlackMoon> JVFoxy:
Programmers made it. :)
L1096[21:18:49] <BlackMoon> Hot
fired?
L1097[21:18:55] <JVFoxy> .. programers...
"m equals 1" rwar!
L1098[21:19:01] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut:
quit oppressing BlackMoon
L1099[21:19:07] <Rokker> reee
L1100[21:19:11] <Rokker> <3
L1101[21:19:19] <JVFoxy> hot fired means
firing engine before previous stage burnout
L1102[21:19:28] <Rokker> yes
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L1104[21:19:46] <JVFoxy> mostly so the
fuel lines didn't vapor or bubble because of low gravity when
thrust stopped
L1105[21:19:57] <Rokker> JVFoxy: there's
a cool video out there of what happens when you hotfire a Titan (II
in this case) second stage
L1107[21:20:24] <kmath> YouTube -
Archival Titan II Launch Vehicle Staging Video in Color
L1108[21:20:30] <JVFoxy> Russian did it a
lot on number of their rockets.. hence why the latices between
stages.
L1109[21:20:32] <BlackMoon> JVFoxy: Sooo,
Hot rocket on still firing rocket action eh?
L1110[21:21:05] <BlackMoon> How does that
not result in horrible horrible things like.. whenever I stage too
soon in KSP and previous stages take out the main rocket?
L1111[21:21:11] <JVFoxy> though in some
cases, they added boosters on the latices, dropped the previous
stage, burned boosters to give some push on the tanks. fired
engine, then dropped the frame
L1112[21:21:12] <Rokker> JVFoxy: yeah but
lattice hotfires dont look as cool
L1113[21:21:34] <JVFoxy> gemini did hot
firing... they had holes in between stages
L1114[21:21:34] <BlackMoon> Do they stay
attached till the previous stage burns out?
L1115[21:21:46] <Rokker> BlackMoon: we
are talking like a few seconds of overlap in firing at most
L1116[21:21:53] <Rokker> usually
fractions of seconds
L1117[21:22:04] <Rokker> no
L1118[21:22:18] <Rokker> once the next
stage is ignited they drop
L1119[21:22:23] <BlackMoon> rokker: Yes
and a few seconds of overlap = exploded rocket in KSP. 1/2 second
maybe goes well. 1/4 second would likely be OK
L1120[21:22:43] <Rokker> watch the
youtube link
L1121[21:22:47] <TheKosmonaut> Rokker: I
oppress as I please
L1122[21:22:54] <BlackMoon> k
L1123[21:22:55] <JVFoxy> some cases I
think in gemini or mercury.. they had little booster rockets. would
fire into the previous stage, they found the close proximity
actually gave a slightly better boost than if was done in open
space away
L1124[21:23:05] <TheKosmonaut> Now shut
up and bring my grapes and chariot
L1125[21:23:12] *
Rokker throws TheKosmonaut's tea in the harbor
L1126[21:23:29] *
TheKosmonaut clicks harsh treatment
L1127[21:23:41] <BlackMoon> wow that
shroud got demolished lol.
L1128[21:23:42] <JVFoxy> oh and.. made it
to pole..
L1130[21:23:52] <JVFoxy> second pic.. you
can see texture doing that 4 way
L1131[21:23:52] *
Rokker rises up anyways, on the opposite side of where his soldiers
are
L1132[21:24:16] <BlackMoon> JVFoxy:
spiderlegs. Too bad it does not have servos...
L1133[21:24:23] <TheKosmonaut> They rise
from the highest developed province
L1134[21:24:25] <JVFoxy> servoes.. for
what/
L1135[21:24:31] <BlackMoon> to move the
legs like a spider.
L1136[21:24:40] <JVFoxy> oh..
walky?
L1137[21:24:43] <JVFoxy> shrug..
L1138[21:24:47] <JVFoxy> its a
test..
L1139[21:24:48] <BlackMoon> a joke.
L1140[21:24:55] <Rokker> Tallboi
planes
L1141[21:25:01] <BlackMoon> walkers never
work out...
L1142[21:25:06] <JVFoxy> some point, I
may fly out a truck, dock to it, drive it around
L1143[21:25:27] <BlackMoon> Cool.
L1144[21:25:54] <BlackMoon> Protip:
Kerbal attachment system is a great mod for lifting things up to be
docked
L1147[21:27:36] <Rokker> tallbois
L1148[21:28:15] *
BlackMoon slaps hood of aircraft
L1149[21:28:24] <BlackMoon> You can fit
so much landing gear under here!
L1150[21:28:44] <JVFoxy> I'm considering
KAS/KIS.. as well as the ground experiments package
L1151[21:29:00] <BlackMoon> HIGHLY
recommend KAS/KIS
L1153[21:30:12] <BlackMoon> the only
downsides to KAS is.. the winches have some issues latching up back
to 0, they ARE powerful enough to rip your ship to pieces... and
sometimes the winch line flys around in annoying orbits, especially
in space (but not entirely limited to)
L1154[21:30:15] <Rokker> bigboi
tires
L1155[21:30:52] <BlackMoon> KAS is
absolutely wonderful for landed fuel transfers though, I wouldn't
attempt them with docking ports to be honest.
L1156[21:31:04] <Rokker> biggest boi
tires
L1157[21:31:06] <BlackMoon> its basically
you use the claw or you use KAS
L1158[21:31:25] <BlackMoon> because
docking ports are WAYYYY too fussy, especially when you factor in
changing mass of fully loaded/unloaded fuel
L1161[21:31:47] <Rokker> someone got
carried away with tweakscale on those tires
L1162[21:32:11] <JVFoxy> Rokker lol
L1163[21:32:28] <BlackMoon> Rokker: brb
taking my bomber offroading.
L1164[21:32:33] <JVFoxy> speaking of
KAS... does the end of the winch line still do that 'anti gravity'
thing when its loose?
L1165[21:32:54] <Rokker> BlackMoon: nah
use these instead
L1166[21:32:55] <JVFoxy> or way like a
small handful of dark matter?
L1167[21:33:02] <JVFoxy> way=weigh
L1168[21:33:25] <JVFoxy> arg... brain
must be cross firing or something, bad typos more lately
L1171[21:34:32] <Rokker> BlackMoon:
see
L1172[21:34:35] <Rokker> much nicer
L1173[21:34:36] <BlackMoon> that is just
wrong... -_-
L1174[21:34:44] <BlackMoon> 'To hunt the
tanks.. you must first become a tank!'
L1175[21:34:59] <JVFoxy> I messed with
KAS a while back... dropped a winch line down from a crane. The end
would go down, but the connector would seem to bobble the wrong
way, reverse of gravity. It also weight like stupid amount
L1176[21:35:12] <Rokker> hey now, the
A-20 is just a halftrack
L1177[21:35:41] <JVFoxy> ya.. early
versions were tracks..
L1178[21:35:59] <JVFoxy> reason for big
tires back those days, development hadn't evolved enough for high
strength and pressure like they have now
L1180[21:37:17] <Rokker> blegh, foxtrot
alpha
L1181[21:39:46] <JVFoxy> oh blegh..
japlopnik :P
L1182[21:39:54] *
JVFoxy shrugs, eh well
L1183[21:39:58] <Rokker> yeah
L1184[21:40:22] <JVFoxy> still.. massive
single tire... if that thing were to ever blow up on landing..
ouch
L1185[21:40:43] <JVFoxy> kiss your whole
wing goodbye.. as well has half hte fusellage
L1186[21:40:44] <Rokker> nah, if you see
it up close, that's a thickboi
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L1189[21:41:28] <JVFoxy> would have to
be.. 156lbs psi?
L1190[21:41:31] <Rokker> JVFoxy: speaking
of which, guess what they have at muh museum
L1191[21:41:49] <JVFoxy> Rokker 'phat
plane'?
L1192[21:41:50] <Rokker> you mean 156
psi
L1193[21:42:06] <Rokker> well phat plane
and its experimental fat tires
L1194[21:42:09] <JVFoxy> er ya sorry...
did say brain has been cross firing a lot. blame the heat
L1195[21:43:35] <Rokker> anyways, if its
usaf history there is a chance its gonna be one of two places
L1196[21:43:57] <Rokker> the NMUSAF here
in dayton or in washington dc at the NASM
L1197[21:44:50] <JVFoxy> ok so dropped
the cabin off.. geez this thing wasn't to rocket now... 1/3
throttle, its already near mach 1. I haven't even gotten up past
3km
L1198[21:45:31] <JVFoxy> wasn't.. wants.
arg X_X
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L1200[21:47:36] <JVFoxy> 550m/s.. 6.5km
up and still slowly climbing.. maybe it will make it back with the
fuel
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L1203[21:54:22] <BlackMoon> hahah I was
thinking how bad the aerodyanmics on that cabic where
L1204[21:54:26] <BlackMoon> cabin
L1205[21:56:24] <Eddi|zuHause> if you
think that was the only error in that line... :p
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L1208[21:58:36] <BlackMoon> I like how
KSP properly crossfeeds between adjacent tanks now..
L1209[21:58:54] <JVFoxy> I'm down to 360
fuel out of 1160.. plane without cabin is just a little over
8tons
L1210[21:59:15] <JVFoxy> cabin probably
adds.. a ton or so more.. the extra weight probably didn't help
matters either
L1211[21:59:29] <BlackMoon> Good news is
KSP jets still have like 15X ISP because they take into account
intake air
L1212[22:00:11] <JVFoxy> I already knew
lifting cargo will have a good bit of cost to it
L1213[22:01:59] <BlackMoon> the bigger
cargo bays can help you eliminate the drag cost (at the cost of
more mass, of course)
L1214[22:02:26] <JVFoxy> I know.. didn't
have research
L1215[22:02:37] <BlackMoon> ah.
L1216[22:02:45] <JVFoxy> I have a few
designs I did in sandbox..
L1217[22:02:53] <JVFoxy> one based off of
BAE's regional jet
L1218[22:03:35] <BlackMoon> I have a few
tech lines I still havent touched, because saving up for that sweet
sweet antimatter reactor..
L1219[22:04:28] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not
sure i even ever built the 3rd research center upgrade
L1220[22:04:44] <BlackMoon> (even if the
timberwind alone is insanely efficient and powerful. like
1000ISP/1100 thrust for 12 tons or something silly..)
L1221[22:04:56] <BlackMoon> (KSP-I
mod)
L1222[22:05:11] <JVFoxy> well ok guess I
don't have to worry about running out of fuel on the return trip...
barely used 200 and flew a little over twice as fast
L1223[22:05:44] <BlackMoon> Nice
L1224[22:06:16] <BlackMoon> maybe
consider holding the cabin with a decoupler or something instead,
even if it still has a docking port, for the drag bonus
L1225[22:06:31] <BlackMoon> (stack
decoupler that is)
L1226[22:16:41] <JVFoxy> single engine
gives me a bit more capacity to add more things but not sure if
it'll be enough power
L1227[22:18:54] <BlackMoon> well if you
optimize the drag you won't need as much power. I mean think of how
much faster you went, even though you only went from 9 tons to 8
tons
L1228[22:19:48] <BlackMoon> Stock KSP has
some vaguely sensible aerodynamics these days. its not just
'however much the part weights = drag'
L1229[22:22:23] <JVFoxy> I might just use
the single engine version for hauling smaller modules out... get
the cabin out first, then a power pack with radio relay and solar
panels next.
L1230[22:26:35] <JVFoxy> well... its
flying at least.
L1231[22:29:54] <BlackMoon> Yea :) that
is the trickyest part.
L1232[22:30:30] <JVFoxy> its about same
speed but doens't want to fly as high as the twin engine
version
L1233[22:30:56] <JVFoxy> then again, I've
also added a few more parts to the 'cabin' part
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L1235[22:39:51] <BlackMoon> Air intakes
may very well be why it does not want to fly as high
L1236[22:42:04] <JVFoxy> well.. 6 km up..
but its doing a little less than 200m/s
L1237[22:42:25] <JVFoxy> dont' matter
much.. it just means longer flight
L1238[22:44:40] <BlackMoon> Higher
altitude is generally a lot more fuel efficient, since less
drag.
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L1240[22:44:59] <BlackMoon> as long as
you have enough wing that your higher angle of attack does not
cause more drag then you saved
L1241[22:45:48] *
BlackMoon renames self clippy. "I see your trying to make an
aircraft! let me annoy you with that.
L1242[22:45:57] <JVFoxy> I may have
brought along too much fuel.. lol
L1243[22:46:17] <BlackMoon> never too
much fuel!
L1244[22:46:33] <JVFoxy> maybe less drag
but lower done engine works harder
L1245[22:46:48] <JVFoxy> higher up..
lower thrust... tradeoffs
L1246[22:46:58] <BlackMoon> if you ever
find you have too much just drop the droptanks on some poor and
homeless kerbals, they can use it to keep warm at night.
L1247[22:47:42] <BlackMoon> Yes, but you
need less thrust because of drag. eventually you reach a point your
going slower though, and that sucks.
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L1249[22:49:51] <JVFoxy> trouble is
finding that altitude, stable thrust, right pitch angle that gives
lift but doesn't drag too much you start slowing down
L1250[22:50:26] <BlackMoon> Yep, you
definitely got all the fine details down.
L1251[22:54:11] <BlackMoon> I tend to
find with some mild intake spam, 20km is a good starting point. But
without intake spam you are limited to a lot lower.
L1252[22:55:11] <JVFoxy> intake spam...
used to be a big thing for a lot of people back in early days of
ksp
L1253[22:55:37] <JVFoxy> I didn't bother
myself
L1254[22:56:55] <BlackMoon> Yea, it looks
pretty ugly, but still, 2 or 4 intakes per engine can be worked
into designs to not look too horrible.
L1255[22:57:15] <BlackMoon> the radials
are not too bad, though add a lot of drag.
L1256[22:57:44] <BlackMoon> oddly, less
drag when facing backwards, though intake much less air... but you
can spam a TON of them backwards and have less drag them having
them forwards :P
L1257[22:57:54] <BlackMoon> the mass
creeps up on you though hahah.
L1258[22:58:00] <JVFoxy> they make for
good water pontoons
L1259[22:58:06] <BlackMoon> hahah.
L1260[22:58:28] <BlackMoon> nah what you
do is make tiny hydroplane fins
L1261[22:58:56] <BlackMoon> Iv supported
200tons with just like 400kn, at 200m/s on hydroplane fins over the
water.
L1262[22:59:24] <BlackMoon> like 4 or 8
of the smallest fins in the game
L1263[22:59:46] <BlackMoon> (though I
usually use procedural wings for that, but still, tiny ones)
L1264[23:00:48] <BlackMoon> trick is
getting the right pitch that you don't keep bouncing outta the
water :)
L1265[23:01:22] <BlackMoon> with modified
impact stats on the fins, iv gotten up to 1200m/s on the water with
hydroplaning.
L1266[23:02:03] <JVFoxy> ouch
L1267[23:02:11] <JVFoxy> almost to the
pole again... get some daylight here
L1268[23:02:48] <BlackMoon> 200m/s
hydroplane is pretty doable with stock parts though.
L1269[23:05:10] <BlackMoon> Highly
recommend trying it some day if you have a huge amount of mass you
want to move over the ocean :)
L1270[23:05:56] <BlackMoon> Works very
well with mechjeb to keep heading/stability/etc.
L1271[23:09:24] <JVFoxy> now that I'm in
some daylight
L1274[23:10:37] <BlackMoon> Nice. see try
a stack decoupler off the cockpit to hold it instead, and unclip
the top engine, I bet it would have a LOT less drag.
L1275[23:10:50] <BlackMoon> just cause
KSP thinks stacks = awesome, radial = bad
L1276[23:11:08] <JVFoxy> no room for more
parts
L1277[23:11:13] <BlackMoon> you can even
have the decoupler to the docking port, or just docking port to
bare cockpit (you can still undock)
L1278[23:11:35] <BlackMoon> You have a
front docking port, just mate that to the cockpit
L1279[23:11:49] <JVFoxy> 600 of 1120 fuel
still unused.. near the pole
L1280[23:11:54] <BlackMoon> well the fuel
tank
L1281[23:13:06] <BlackMoon> Anyway, just
a thought to make it go faster/save a lot of fuel. seems like you
don't really need it if you can reach the poles though :)
L1282[23:18:45] <JVFoxy> I guess I could
have docked to the back of the tank but.. probably would have
wanted the top port of moving around later.. I'm still testing
things out
L1283[23:19:05] <JVFoxy> I might switch
to end docking instead..
L1284[23:19:23] <JVFoxy> though when I
think about it, would cause problems if I were to add more cabins
to the base..
L1285[23:20:57] <JVFoxy> I ended up
switching from the flat adapter plate to a small round battery for
a step up to the door. battery was like 1/4th the weight, plus it
could hold a charge
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