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L43[06:13:10] <GlassYuri> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgNhLgEWAAARAMR.jpg
L44[06:13:38] <Althego> hehe
L45[06:13:47] <Althego> safety first
L46[06:16:54] <Althego> so, is "it's business time" finally?
L47[06:17:04] <Althego> in 13 hours 13 minutes
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L49[06:38:17] <Eddi|zuHause> what business?
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L53[07:06:21] <sandbox> I hate those clicker games
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L55[07:34:50] <Althego> Eddi|zuHause: the name of the rocket, it's business time, electron from rocket lab, in less than 12 hours
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L58[07:54:29] <Althego> "the san cannot be magnetic lava"
L59[07:54:31] <Althego> sun
L60[07:54:37] <Althego> good, because it isnt
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L67[08:53:24] <GlassYuri> ...who writes a window program in C in 2014
L68[08:53:55] <Althego> there must be a few
L69[08:54:04] <Althego> by window you mean windows?
L70[08:54:08] <Althego> or windowed
L71[08:54:33] <GlassYuri> windows operating system, command line only
L72[08:55:11] <Fluburtur> why is tumblr not loading pictures
L73[08:55:25] <GlassYuri> because it's not written in C, obviously
L74[08:57:21] <GlassYuri> ...and this wouldn't even be the first time porting C code to C# in my current project iirc
L75[08:59:36] <Fluburtur> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ4_YvcfwMI
L76[08:59:37] <kmath> YouTube - Guillotine vs a spray paint can
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L81[09:13:31] <Althego> hehe
L82[09:13:44] <Althego> deadly precision
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L85[09:20:52] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: but why?
L86[09:20:58] <Fluburtur> why not
L87[09:21:06] <Fluburtur> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Joi2tDJz8A
L88[09:21:06] <kmath> YouTube - Arianespace TV
L89[09:21:32] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: well, could've been a great youtube channel. But no, nuts only. :D
L90[09:22:00] <Althego> what is this
L91[09:22:11] <Althego> cant be a launch
L92[09:22:30] <Fluburtur> idk
L93[09:22:48] <Althego> electron is after midnight
L94[09:23:00] <Fluburtur> I just need to hear stephane talk english to be happy
L95[09:23:14] <Althego> some german?
L96[09:23:24] <Fluburtur> he can speak german too?
L97[09:23:26] <Althego> hah, luckily i dont hear german accent that oftene now
L98[09:23:42] <Althego> then french
L99[09:23:51] <Fluburtur> yeah he's the boss of arianespace
L100[09:23:55] <Fluburtur> and he sounds very french
L101[09:24:05] <Althego> just as most germans sound very german
L102[09:24:06] <GlassYuri> was C/C++ style pointer notation designed specifically to mess with your brain
L103[09:24:14] <Althego> no, that was for pascal
L104[09:24:20] <Althego> and c++ references
L105[09:24:38] <Mat2ch> uh, there's an upcoming Ariane launch that is not listed on spaceflightnow?
L106[09:24:49] <Althego> that is why i said it cant be a launch
L107[09:24:53] <Althego> we would know that
L108[09:25:13] <Mat2ch> GlassYuri: yes.
L109[09:25:53] <Mat2ch> Maybe they announce that they wont build the Ariane 6, because there weren't enough orders and they're going straight to Skylon :D
L110[09:26:03] <Mat2ch> GlassYuri: but after you get used to it, it's ok...
L111[09:26:10] <Althego> even better, they already built skylon :)
L112[09:26:31] <Mat2ch> I really hope they do.
L113[09:26:41] <Mat2ch> Skylon is a far better project than Ariane 6
L114[09:26:44] <Althego> no, pointers are quite clear. * dereferences, & makes pointer
L115[09:26:49] <Mat2ch> nobody needs another rocket in that class
L116[09:27:07] <Althego> what i dont like the * is not part of the type
L117[09:27:29] <Althego> so you cant write whatever* a, b
L118[09:28:13] <GlassYuri> whatever *a, b, c[10]
L119[09:28:52] <Althego> if you want both to be pointers, then have to write the * again
L120[09:29:34] <Althego> but in contrast in pascal i could never remember when the ^ was in the front or in the back
L121[09:30:42] <GlassYuri> ...I don't even know anything about pascal other than that it exists
L122[09:31:21] <GlassYuri> oh and there used to be that borland pascal IDE which apparently broke if you installed their C++ IDE on the same PC
L123[09:31:30] <Althego> hehe
L124[09:32:18] <GlassYuri> borland c++ builder is what I started with when I was 12
L125[09:32:20] <Althego> and then there is ada of course
L126[09:32:39] <Althego> dereference is .all
L127[09:32:45] <Althego> jsut who came up with this
L128[09:32:50] <Althego> and optional too
L129[09:33:33] <GlassYuri> speaking of being 12, in 8 days I will be 22, and therefore applying for entry level positions with ten years of experience
L130[09:33:42] <Althego> hehe
L131[09:33:44] <Althego> nice
L132[09:34:10] <Althego> i am afraid i am closer to 42 now than to 32 :)
L133[09:35:11] <Althego> honestly i feel i am getting really dumb
L134[09:35:47] <Althego> so 4 pm in what time zone?
L135[09:36:02] <Althego> heh we are in this summer time
L136[09:36:20] <Althego> so it is probably in 1.5 hours
L137[09:36:22] <Mat2ch> E-Mail-Korrespondenz
L138[09:36:25] <Mat2ch> Eh, what
L139[09:36:29] <Mat2ch> on my, shortcuts
L140[09:36:42] <Mat2ch> well, the live stream is not starting for some reason...
L141[09:37:51] <Mat2ch> Althego: hrm, maybe that's really UTC. Youtube should tell the timezone
L142[09:38:07] <Mat2ch> we all should add the timezone (in UTC :P) when we talk about times...
L143[09:38:39] <Althego> so basically delete timezones
L144[09:38:47] <Althego> theyare a horrible idea anyway
L145[09:39:35] <GlassYuri> ...I dropped my phone and it turned off
L146[09:39:36] <Mat2ch> well, if done right they're ok
L147[09:39:49] <Althego> you cant do t hem right
L148[09:39:55] <Mat2ch> But some countries have very weird ones...
L149[09:39:56] <Althego> they change by time and space
L150[09:40:19] <Althego> you have to have a huge database to find out what some time translates to in a timezone
L151[09:40:23] <GlassYuri> have the sun rise at 4 and set by 19
L152[09:40:27] <Althego> and not all times are translatable
L153[09:40:45] <GlassYuri> just getting the correct timezone is not trivial
L154[09:44:01] <Kalpa> There's some youtube video on that
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L156[09:47:28] <Althego> the question is, what did they put in instead of red shell?
L157[09:47:51] <Althego> the name was silly anyway, because of red t...
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L166[10:46:07] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/254984631512858634/459745837216563221/slice.jpg
L167[10:47:13] <Althego> so will there be anything on that livestream?
L168[11:02:57] <Althego> probably not
L169[11:03:01] <Althego> i close it now, past 6
L170[11:10:39] <Althego> Fluburtur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-vQGP39DYY
L171[11:10:40] <kmath> YouTube - Drive On Liquid Mercury?!?!?
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L173[11:11:25] <Fluburtur> I know plastic floats on mercury
L174[11:11:28] <Fluburtur> glass too
L175[11:11:30] <Fluburtur> myself too
L176[11:11:57] <Althego> you could replicate that too
L177[11:12:20] <Althego> according to the calculation he did, you can totally drive on a mercury lake with a real car
L178[11:12:36] <Fluburtur> mercury has a density of like 13
L179[11:12:48] <Fluburtur> so you would need a very dense car to sink
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L184[11:16:45] <Fluburtur> the new gorillaz album sounds pretty nice
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L186[11:17:44] <Deddly> Lead floats on Mercury, IIRC
L187[11:18:29] <Althego> but you could still build floating boats on it from platinum :)
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L189[11:20:09] <Fluburtur> I should dip my hand in mercury but with no glove this time
L190[11:20:18] <Althego> no
L191[11:20:19] <Fluburtur> I guess that's not too risky as long as I don't have cuts and stuff
L192[11:20:45] <Althego> you can dip your hand in molten lead if your hand is wet
L193[11:22:16] <Fluburtur> holding dry ice is fun too
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L202[11:46:01] <Althego> and closing it off in a plastic bottle too :)
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L204[11:56:52] <Pakaran> now I'm picturing Kerbals using dry ice-powered improvised rockets to biome-hop on Minmus.
L205[11:57:42] <Althego> today i saw a car with an ad for something called kermann
L206[11:57:53] <Pakaran> (without doing any math, my hunch is peak thrust wouldn't be a problem, but re-heating the container walls would be, without some kind of electric input.
L207[12:00:01] <Pakaran> re driving on mercury, I'd think you'd want tires with a deep tread, to help them couple with the bulk liquid, or the car would skid all over the place.
L208[12:00:45] <Pakaran> now, if it just needs to stay upright while driving around a 6 km lake, that wouldn't be an issue.
L209[12:01:03] <Althego> hehe some people made a picture of a basketball up close. guess what, it seems flat :)
L210[12:01:26] <Deddly> Althego: That surprisingly does not make me want to buy that car
L211[12:02:08] <Pakaran> Kerbin also seems flat below about 400m.
L212[12:03:11] <Pakaran> (which is one issue with that one guy with the steam-powered rocket -- he was hoping to reach around 1.5 km altitude, which would be WORSE on Earth).
L213[12:03:25] <Pakaran> Not to mention he'd have vertigo or worse, and not be able to look for pixel effects, lol
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L216[12:28:07] <Eddi|zuHause> nothing worse than seeing a dead pixel in the sky
L217[12:30:39] <Eddi|zuHause> my maths teacher used to say "they used to make parabolic dishes from mercury, back when mercury wasn't poisonous"
L218[12:35:02] <Althego> hehe
L219[12:35:22] <Althego> "water is flat and always finds its level". oh really
L220[12:43:09] <Althego> why is the sudden frank herbert and dune fanaticism of elon?
L221[12:44:01] <Althego> or maybe, is that spice? https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/jpl/once-in-a-blue-dune
L222[12:47:39] <Althego> aaand scott video
L223[12:48:02] <Althego> ryugu doesnt look like it did in dreadnought when i was playing it :)
L224[12:48:21] <Althego> they chose a wrong a steroid for the game
L225[13:24:55] <Fluburtur> so, I just flew upside down in a tunnel in war thunder
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L227[13:27:01] <Althego> hehe
L228[13:27:36] <Fluburtur> if I can pull that move into an actual game it would be nuts
L229[13:27:43] <Fluburtur> and bomb some tank in the tunnel
L230[13:27:47] <Fluburtur> seems easy
L231[13:46:02] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380846093002473475/459791158810509312/20180622202356_2.jpg
L232[13:58:28] <Althego> seems not much is going on here now
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L252[15:08:59] <Eddi|zuHause> is that just me, or is that either a really tiny airplane or a really huge tunnel?
L253[15:09:16] <Fluburtur> probably big tunnel
L254[15:09:27] <Fluburtur> like twice the wingspan so around 20 meters
L255[15:10:51] <Eddi|zuHause> the scale is totally off on this picture
L256[15:11:24] <Eddi|zuHause> like, those wagons would fit for a 600mm narrow gauge "Feldbahn"
L257[15:12:14] <Eddi|zuHause> and even if you assume those are 1435mm standard gauge rails, that doesn't add up to 20m
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L265[15:43:18] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/7xf-ikdLqrk
L266[15:43:18] <kmath> YouTube - Fixed-wing aerial top dressing
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L269[16:00:00] <darsie> Challenge: Rescue a Kerbal from the surface of The Moon by flying over her within 2.2 km, switch to her, jetpack to a suborbital trajectory and collect her with the rocket. She must be at a high enough latitude so she can't jetpack to orbit.If the latitude is too low, jetpack retrograde.
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L271[16:04:25] <darsie> 45+ deg lat should be enough.
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L273[16:08:12] <KrazyKrl> Makes more sense if it's simply "Rescue a Kerbal with a craft that does not slow to below X orbital velocity in the Mun's SoI."
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L275[16:19:05] <darsie> What what X be if the Kerbal jetpacked to orbit?
L276[16:19:29] <darsie> To avoid picking her up from orbit.
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L279[16:27:45] <Eddi|zuHause> bonus points if the rocket is on a mun flyby?
L280[16:30:17] <KrazyKrl> Well... iirc the kerbal's RCS pack holds around 600m/sec of dV.
L281[16:31:18] <KrazyKrl> a height limit on the approach would need to be implemented (since orbital speed is inverse to orbital altitude)
L282[16:31:59] <KrazyKrl> Therefore: "Rescue a Kerbal from the Mun with a craft that does not slow below X orbital velocity when below Y altitude above the Mun."
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L285[16:35:10] <Draconiator> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M_ys_6eKHg - This is the world we live in, get used to it.
L286[16:35:39] <KrazyKrl> Top 10 list, did not bother to even play it.
L287[16:36:11] <Eddi|zuHause> well, the challenge above doesn't say you can't slow down to catch the kerbal. just i would imply that you can't land
L288[16:36:54] <KrazyKrl> well, landing or going retrograde would cause your orbital speed to approach zero... so...
L289[16:38:32] <KrazyKrl> Having a simple speed limit below a certain altitude gives the player more freedom to meet the mission requirements.
L290[16:39:54] <Eddi|zuHause> well, the question is if you can align the rocket speed with the kerbal speed to make a rendevouz, or if the kerbal should try to catch the rocket from a significant speed difference
L291[16:41:35] <KrazyKrl> oh, you can certainly dock easily if you understand a tiny bit about the navball.
L292[16:42:06] <KrazyKrl> the envelope of rendevouz is the problem, as the kerbal has very little dV to work with.
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L294[16:42:31] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Doesn't look like anything to me.
L295[16:42:54] * Scolar_Visari ponders . . . Planet Coaster or Railway Tycoon. Both have things running on tracks.
L296[16:43:14] <KrazyKrl> The main problems are the lack of time to slowly meet, and lack of dV for the meet.
L297[16:45:03] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know if that changed with the expansion, but i always missed a kind of launch planner to plan the maneuvers and such before you take off
L298[16:46:07] <UmbralRaptop> Scolar_Visari: Railgun Tycoon
L299[16:47:01] <KrazyKrl> Well, it could be implemented pretty easily by coopting the current target system... add a virtual orbit or something, and have a set as target. That way you can essentially rendevouz with a planned orbit.
L300[16:47:31] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptop: Hrm . . . That gives me an idea. A roller coaster ride plunging guests between two space battleships duking it out in CQC.
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L302[16:48:58] <UmbralRaptop> Scolar_Visari: Next time Disneyworld wants to make Space Mountain feel Star Warsy
L303[16:49:26] <Scolar_Visari> Psht, Disney World is already getting a Star Wars park by the end of this year.
L304[16:49:46] <Eddi|zuHause> there was a star wars ride in eurodisney back in 2000
L305[16:50:04] <Scolar_Visari> Dat 55% off though. I may not be able to competently design a roller coaster without accidentally maiming guests, but I could try.
L306[16:50:37] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptop: Railgun Tycoon indeed https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=798595146
L307[16:50:43] <Eddi|zuHause> there's also some jurassic world amusement park game
L308[16:51:16] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Got that one. It certainly is one of the prettiest games I've ever played.
L309[16:51:40] * Scolar_Visari likes the way the water actually falls off the sides of objects in sheets, including the moving and rather well animated dinosaurs.
L310[16:51:48] <UmbralRaptop> Scolar_Visari: nice.
L311[16:52:06] <Scolar_Visari> After getting JW:E, Planet Coaster has now begun to tempt me.
L312[16:52:47] <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't played any roller coaster tycoon games
L313[16:53:17] <Eddi|zuHause> i had some zoo games around 2000
L314[16:53:28] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: They were rather good in the day, particularly since they weren't hardware demanding and rather deep in terms of ride and landscape design for the time.
L315[16:54:04] <KrazyKrl> The fact that the first rollercoaster tycoon games took over 2 years of programming in straight ASM is mind boggling.
L316[16:54:33] <Eddi|zuHause> that number is probably wrong
L317[16:54:58] <Eddi|zuHause> because it was based on existing transport tycoon code, which is easily another 5 years older
L318[16:54:59] <Scolar_Visari> KrazyKrl: Chris Sawyer got his start porting Elite 1984, which was also made in assembly langage.
L319[16:55:32] <KrazyKrl> yes, but he completely refactored the code so it would run well. And ASM isn't forgiving at all.
L320[16:55:44] * Scolar_Visari ponders how much of a hassle it must've been for Sawyer to have single handedly developed his games and not descend into madness.
L321[16:56:41] <Eddi|zuHause> no sane person today would program a game without using an existing game engine
L322[16:57:37] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Not that all engines really take advantage of modern technology . . .
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L324[16:58:28] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptop: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=837228736&searchtext=space
L325[16:58:33] <KrazyKrl> Factorio is one of the few games that does to reasonable extents.
L326[16:59:22] <UmbralRaptop> Nice
L327[16:59:52] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptop: I think I'd now rather prefer a Hell-themed amusement park with various rides inspired by Hieronymous Bosch.
L328[17:00:12] <UmbralRaptop> uh
L329[17:00:41] <Scolar_Visari> Wow https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1279415469&searchtext=space
L330[17:01:09] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptop: I was always a fan of making rides in Rollercoaster Tycoon that were inside terrain, but that was always a pain in the but and difficult to enjoy once finished.
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L332[17:01:39] <KrazyKrl> yea, the underground isometric stuff in RCT was kinda weird.
L333[17:02:28] * Scolar_Visari also ponders a Solar System theme park with planet-themed rides and a Jupiter System area with roller coasters based on the Galilean satellites.
L334[17:02:55] <Scolar_Visari> Europa, of course, getting a log flume ride.
L335[17:03:31] <Eddi|zuHause> Disneyland Europa ;)
L336[17:04:25] <Eddi|zuHause> Scolar_Visari: so is there a mod where you can play rollercoaster tycoon in planet coaster? :p
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L338[17:05:41] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: I suppose that wouldn't be anymore difficult than that one VR game that has a virtual arcade . . .
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L340[17:06:40] <UmbralRaptop> Scolar_Visari: I'm reminded of www.xkcd.com/1752 for some reason.
L341[17:09:29] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptop: I disagree with the Venus experience. A blast furnace would be too warm and not enough pressure. Why not just get a bathyscape, light it on fire from the inside and exceed crush depth?
L342[17:12:03] <KrazyKrl> Venus is ~1323 PSIA, the challenger deep is ~15,000 PSI(A?)
L343[17:12:12] <UmbralRaptop> Need to make sure there's enough oxygen to keep the fire going, but yeah.
L344[17:12:33] <UmbralRaptop> ;c 1323/14.7
L345[17:12:33] <kmath> UmbralRaptop: 90
L346[17:13:19] <UmbralRaptop> … oh, right. As in only ~900 m of water.
L347[17:13:33] <KrazyKrl> yea, venus is only 90 bar.
L348[17:14:38] <Scolar_Visari> Heck, you could just you a surplus World War II submarine.
L349[17:14:39] <Eddi|zuHause> "only" :p
L350[17:14:52] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Still better than some of those other hothouses I've discovered in Elite Dangerous.
L351[17:15:20] <UmbralRaptop> Okay, steal a nuclear submarine, and cause a reactor meltdown near crush depth.
L352[17:15:27] <KrazyKrl> Well, your car's hydraulic brakes probably work at at least double the pressure on venus.
L353[17:16:13] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptop: I was thinking about a primitive Type VII or something.
L354[17:16:17] <Fluburtur> yeah but on a very small surface
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L356[17:17:18] <Scolar_Visari> As Venus doesn't have anything more energetic than ultraviolet radiation in meaningful amounts, you'd just be wasting a perfectly good nuclear reactor!
L357[17:17:48] <UmbralRaptop> Definitely not something like an Alfa.
L358[17:17:51] <UmbralRaptop> hm
L359[17:17:52] <KrazyKrl> I'm just saying that the pressure in the challenger deep is an order of magnitude larger than venus.
L360[17:18:11] <UmbralRaptop> WW2 submarine plus thermite.
L361[17:18:18] <KrazyKrl> and this is assuming atmopsheric or vacuum pressure (not that it matters much at these values)
L362[17:18:43] <KrazyKrl> the heat soak would probably get you first... being entropy and all.
L363[17:18:44] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptop: I'd still think thermite would be to warm!
L364[17:18:48] <UmbralRaptop> KrazyKrl: challenger deep would work for Europa, I guess. (Near the sea bottom)
L365[17:18:56] * Scolar_Visari ponders a really long shnorkel.
L366[17:19:04] <JCB> sending subs to other worlds are we?
L367[17:19:14] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: Replicating the conditions on Earth.
L368[17:19:24] <Scolar_Visari> For my theme park: Visari's Planetary Adventure of Certain Doom.
L369[17:19:55] <Scolar_Visari> With the exception of Earth World, all the other attractions are invariably fatal; some more immediate than others.
L370[17:20:32] <JCB> physical conditions or we also talking psychological ones too?
L371[17:20:58] * Scolar_Visari sincerely recommends the Sun Coaster for those lacking the stomach to die in a vacuum or slowly wait to be crushed by a sea of magnetic hydrogen.
L372[17:21:04] <Scolar_Visari> Er, metallic hydrogen. Though I suppose it is magnetic.
L373[17:21:21] <KrazyKrl> everything is magnetic given a powerful enough field.
L374[17:21:24] <JCB> lol... suck that hydrogen up with a magnet.. wee
L375[17:21:31] <KrazyKrl> i.e. you turn atoms into hot dogs.
L376[17:21:46] <Scolar_Visari> KrazyKrl: But Metallic Hydrogen is really weird stuff.
L377[17:22:09] <JCB> seem to recall something about getting close to making metallic hydrogen here on earth..
L378[17:22:26] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: All reports are poorly replicated at this point in time.
L379[17:23:00] <JCB> close.. I didn't say we succeeded yet.
L380[17:23:06] <UmbralRaptop> Europa surface: Mount Everest with a therac-25 pointed at you.
L381[17:23:36] <Scolar_Visari> Some have *claimed* metallic hydrogen, though it's an inherently difficult product to study given the stupid high pressures involved.
L382[17:24:20] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptop: I heard Io world is a gas.
L383[17:25:21] <UmbralRaptop> Scolar_Visari: summit of mount Erebus, maybe?
L384[17:25:22] <JCB> water pressure in the deepest oceans.. not even close. pressures in core of the planet.. meh, just getting radiation.. pressures deep inside those gas giants, close but nope.. pressure inside the sun, well now you cooking
L385[17:25:55] <UmbralRaptop> Pressures inside the Sun's core are, uh, odd.
L386[17:26:28] <UmbralRaptop> You're in the part of the phase diagram where degeneracy pressure sort of matters.
L387[17:26:57] <JCB> go that deep down a gravity well... don't forget, things can go still along ways further, still to reach blackhole states
L388[17:32:22] <UmbralRaptop> yeah
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L390[17:34:43] <JCB> Right now, I can't wait till fusion tech..
L391[17:40:46] <Scolar_Visari> Fusion Energy: 20 Years Away! (R)
L392[17:41:35] <JCB> or so they say...
L393[17:41:42] * Scolar_Visari will stick with molten salt reactors.
L394[17:42:32] <JCB> ah but can molten salt reactors work as fusion thrusters as well? :)
L395[17:42:55] <Scolar_Visari> No, but neither can most fusion power plants.
L396[17:43:25] * Scolar_Visari also notes that near-future fusion reactors concepts tend to use tritium, which is not terribly suitable for high endurance spaceflight.
L397[17:43:27] <UmbralRaptop> The most viable fusion thruster that I'm aware of has a fission first stage. >_>;;
L398[17:43:39] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptop: And a fission third stage!
L399[17:43:57] <JCB> well it is a sort of specific bit of hardware... its the process..
L400[17:44:06] <UmbralRaptop> Okay, yes. They can get that huge.
L401[17:44:18] <JCB> the power of a mini sun pushing you along.. all you need is light gases
L402[17:45:07] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: Most reasonable approaches to fusion propulsion I've seen involve compression of fusion fuels and the technosorcery of magnetism, rather than a powerplant ala Nuclear Thermal Rockets.
L403[17:45:49] <JCB> then again, I'm sorta drawing off a RPG setting.. where they also have auxiliary reactors for power.. I think. The thruster ones just push the ship around.
L404[17:45:52] <Scolar_Visari> One could conceivably have fusion propulsion and now economical fusion power plants.
L405[17:46:06] <Scolar_Visari> *not
L406[17:47:06] * Scolar_Visari reads a Planet Coaster review: "If you want a 'Simcity' experience ... ie a realistic simulation game."
L407[17:47:10] <JCB> other than just throwing nuclear bombs out the back the ship... the other ideas I remember just uses radiation and heat to super expand gases...
L408[17:47:11] <UmbralRaptop> RPG settings often have silly high thrust fusion rockets for gameplay purposes.
L409[17:47:17] <Scolar_Visari> Hahaha! They jest. "Simcity" and realism!
L410[17:47:39] <UmbralRaptop> (Note: gameplay purposes are not bad)
L411[17:48:02] <JCB> well you get stuff like seen in the Expanse... one setting I kind of like, uses a little more realistic approach. Most ships barely even reach 1g...
L412[17:48:03] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: MSNW LLC. has, for some time now, promoted a design in which deuterium and tritium and fused by magnetically compressed copper sheaths, for instance.
L413[17:48:41] <UmbralRaptop> JCB: maybe some sort of direct exhaust thing, so you can get an Isp on the order of 0.05 to 0.15 c?
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L415[17:50:18] <JCB> Everone's got their own take on things... thruster tech is rather fast changing field..
L416[17:50:49] <Scolar_Visari> Meeeeh . . .
L417[17:51:34] <Scolar_Visari> While there have certainly been improvements (see Blue Origin's deep DEEP throttle hydrolox and methane engines), a lot has been around for a while and some of the alternatives haven't really taken off.
L418[17:51:53] <Scolar_Visari> Quite literally in the case of electric propulsion, courtesy of those immutably low thrust to weight ratios.
L419[17:52:30] <JCB> seeing quite a bit more of the ion thrusters on things
L420[17:52:59] <JCB> granted, a lot of the other newer ideas still haven't gotten to see the light yet, takes a ton of cash to get things proven... progress tends to be slow
L421[17:53:13] <Scolar_Visari> Ion Drives have been around for decades.
L422[17:53:36] <JCB> ya I know.. I keep forgetting I've been around for nearly as long sometimes
L423[17:54:18] <Scolar_Visari> And a lot of the reason alternatives haven't been explored is that there's not much of a demand at the moment.
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L425[17:54:47] <JCB> other methods seem to be cheaper, even if they aren't quite as efficient.
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L427[17:55:03] <Scolar_Visari> Or, in the case of some, far too much minimum mass to actually launch aboard existing launch vehicles.
L428[17:55:13] <JCB> electric propulsion also tends to have very high power demands
L429[17:56:12] <Scolar_Visari> Dat low thrust.
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L431[17:56:20] <JCB> that launch where they used electric turbo pumps and lipo batteries.. had to drop half the power pack in order to make up for some ISP... mean, it worked but was it worth it?
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L433[17:57:25] <Scolar_Visari> The Electron?
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L435[17:57:50] <JCB> I was actually impressed with that multi staged solid rocket booster system they used earlier, send that micro sat into orbit? Certain someone said it wasn't very cost effective. Made me wonder if they looked at the bigger picture. As in the setup given the fact it was several factors smaller.
L436[17:57:51] <JCB> ya
L437[17:58:54] <Scolar_Visari> There are several solid fuel only orbital launch vehicles, some of them former ICBMs or SLBMs.
L438[17:59:28] <Scolar_Visari> In some cases, it's done because there are aging ICBMs around.
L439[18:00:00] <Scolar_Visari> Though the United State's DoD in particular would like faster, "on demand" launches that solid fuel LVs are uniquely suited for that liquid fuel LVs are not.
L440[18:00:50] * Scolar_Visari glares at the Minotaur family https://www.nasa.gov/centers/wallops/images/content/563647main_IMG_0490.jpg
L441[18:01:03] <JCB> ah.. the SS-520-5 launched from Japan
L442[18:03:55] <Scolar_Visari> Though, in other cases, solid fuel orbital launch vehicles are thinly veiled tests articles for ICBMs ala Japan's Epsilon.
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L444[18:05:57] <JCB> meh.. anything can be turned into a weapon..
L445[18:06:05] <JCB> sometimes you don't even need anything, just your hand
L446[18:06:22] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: Well if it looks like an ICBM and quacks like an ICBM.
L447[18:07:07] <JCB> originally the SS-520-5 was a sounding rocket, third stage added
L448[18:07:50] <Scolar_Visari> ICBM needs to be a tick bigger to be useful.
L449[18:08:01] <Scolar_Visari> As, ahem, a certain Reich found out to its dismay.
L450[18:08:52] <JCB> meh... riech wanted to bomb the US with a spaceplane... then realized heat generated on the skips would have destroyed the craft first chance it got
L451[18:09:14] <JCB> thicker heatsheild, resulted in too heavy a craft, wouldn't have made it far
L452[18:09:50] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: I was thinking of the V-2 having too puny a payload to compensate for its wretchedly poor accuracy.
L453[18:10:03] <Scolar_Visari> Which is just as well.
L454[18:10:28] <JCB> rocket powered interceptor planes too
L455[18:10:40] <JCB> a lot of stuff was radical... came too late
L456[18:11:18] <Scolar_Visari> To be frankly, it wouldn't have mattered how early they were developed because they were dead ends ala the rocket planes.
L457[18:11:51] * Scolar_Visari amusingly notes Germany spent more on the V-2 than was spent on the Manhattan Project.
L458[18:12:30] <Scolar_Visari> The high unrest created research penalties and they weren't generating any points for Great Scientists.
L459[18:16:19] <Scolar_Visari> The Deutschephysik Civic was, in retrospect, a poor idea.
L460[18:23:16] <Scolar_Visari> I GOT IT! A Land Before Time-themed amusement park!
L461[18:24:55] <Azander> Scolar_Visari: they call that Jurrasic Park :P
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L463[18:25:53] <Scolar_Visari> Azander: Ah, but Jurassic Park didn't have a sweet theme song with Diana Ross.
L464[18:30:16] <Scolar_Visari> ♫If we hold on togeeeether, I know our dreams will neeeever die!♫
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L467[18:39:07] * Scolar_Visari ponders if anyone else sat through the trailer for the upcoming Robin Hood movie and thought it was an adaptation of Thief.
L468[18:45:28] * Scolar_Visari goes of to steal the plot of Thief and incorporate it into a movie
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L470[18:51:00] <maltesh> Hmm.
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L472[18:58:24] <maltesh> Steam Link is $2.50. I'm tempted to get another one just for the HDMI and Ethernet cable.
L473[18:58:51] <Zarthus> I'm tempted too.
L474[18:58:58] <Zarthus> but I have no television.
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L477[19:02:45] <maltesh> Hm, yeah, that would put a damper on it.
L478[19:03:58] <Eddi|zuHause> i saw that too but i have no clue what i would do with it
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L481[19:06:03] <maltesh> Well, like I said, it does (or at least the one I bought in early '17 did) come with both an HDMI cable and an Ethernet cable. Beyond that, I mostly just use it when I feel like playing a steam game on TV. It's kind of annoying to turn on and off, though.
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L484[19:06:32] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
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L486[19:09:22] <maltesh> Greetings, Starfighter.
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L488[19:21:21] <JCB> rwar
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L490[19:39:01] <Draconiator> Ooooh Space.com says Rocket Lab has a launch soon.
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L496[20:26:40] <darsie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOG-pQ4aJhE
L497[20:26:40] <kmath> YouTube - It's Business Time Launch Livestream
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L511[21:28:35] <darsie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOG-pQ4aJhE should start soon.
L512[21:28:51] <darsie> Electron rocket launch.
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L523[23:05:35] <Rolf> hmmmmm no video yet
L524[23:05:49] <Rolf> ah finally
L525[23:06:05] <Althego> on what
L526[23:06:15] <Rolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOG-pQ4aJhE
L527[23:06:16] <kmath> YouTube - It's Business Time Launch Livestream
L528[23:06:23] <Althego> that
L529[23:06:28] <Althego> waht it hasnt happened yet?
L530[23:06:43] <Rolf> it showed rocket at various angles viewpoint then back to logo
L531[23:06:58] <Althego> ah scrub
L532[23:08:38] <Rolf> oh drat
L533[23:28:22] <Althego> hmm, i can get unlimited mobile data now
L534[23:29:16] <Althego> https://i.redd.it/5zdt1ye5ej511.jpg
L535[23:29:35] <Rolf> lol
L536[23:29:51] <Rolf> looking if there is larger version
L537[23:31:06] <Althego> and it looks like it is better to switch becausei pay around the same already just with limited amount. and i happened to run out of it. dont know how, never happened with this one before
L538[23:31:40] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/5599fc223e8c54d4d24bf1c79379ffdc.jpg
L539[23:34:00] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/abbe94f65fc7c894a0aff00b768a6b42.png
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