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L42[03:34:49] <MonsieurPatateuh> Hey sup
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L44[03:36:10] <Althego> not much
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L46[03:37:45] <MonsieurPatateuh> I have an
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L79[07:12:09] <Rolf> awesome!
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L107[09:10:42] <ve2dmn> Elon Musk:
Entrepreneurial Leader Of New-age Manufacturers Uses
Science,Knowledge.
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L110[09:12:20] <ve2dmn> TIL Elon Musk has
triple citizenship
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L115[09:27:39] <Althego> hehe people
collected enough money to send greatersapien in a polar
circumnavigation of earth (to show flat earthers you can)
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L119[09:34:23] <ve2dmn> Althego: nice.
Where can I contribute an extra $ that way?
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L123[09:39:48] <kmath> YouTube - Flying
over Anti-Crepuscular Rays
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L125[09:44:03] <ve2dmn> Althego: is he
rent a plane or simply buying tickets?
L126[09:44:16] <ve2dmn> renting*
L127[09:46:14] <Mat2ch> ve2dmn: sounds
like he's just buying tickets
L130[09:48:43] <ve2dmn> Business-class
$19,500. Only 32 seats available, Economy class $11,900. Middle
seats in economy class will be kept vacant for optimal comfort.
Only 154 seats available
L131[09:50:46] <Althego> by distance
travelled i already went around earth multiple times
L132[09:51:05] <GlassYuri> ...what
programming languages do I want to learn in the future
L133[09:51:09] <Althego> and not
interested in travelling at all anyways
L134[09:51:11] <Althego> who knows
L135[09:51:13] <GlassYuri> python
maybe
L136[09:51:17] <Althego> only the
future
L137[09:51:32] <Althego> from __future__
import languages
L138[09:51:39] <ve2dmn> GlassYuri: if you
wait long enough, computer will program themselves
L139[09:51:47] <Althego> yes, python
already has future :)
L140[09:51:49] <ve2dmn> Althego: stack
overflow
L141[09:52:02] <Althego> pyhon is useful
in general anyway
L142[09:52:12] <GlassYuri> ...it actually
only says 'language'
L143[09:52:35] <Althego> what kind of
it
L144[09:52:40] <GlassYuri> it's clearly
implied to mean programming language, but I might actually write
'python and mandarin'
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L146[09:53:30] <ve2dmn> it depends WHY you
want to learn that language
L147[09:53:57] <ve2dmn> if it's only for
the $, go for COBOL, FORTH or FORTRAN
L148[09:54:16] <Althego> cobol may be
niche, but fortan is quite widely used
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L150[09:54:27] <Althego> and modern
dialect is actually quite ok
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L152[09:54:59] <ve2dmn> Althego: but good
programmers in thoses languages are rare
L153[09:55:15] <Althego> real programmers
can program in fortan in any language :)
L154[09:55:19] <GlassYuri> python because
it's often used as a scripting/plugin language and is useful for
doing work for which a compiler is kinda overkill
L155[09:55:32] <Althego> and you know what
it is not funny when you see c code that is used as fortran
L156[09:55:56] <Althego> python is useful
for all around anything if you want to throw together a useful tool
quickly
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L158[09:56:20] <ve2dmn> and Python is only
10-20% slower then C
L159[09:56:31] <Althego> multi threaded
problems though
L160[09:56:43] <Althego> supposedly perl
is fast too :)
L161[09:57:05] <GlassYuri> I also have to
write which languages I like and hate
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L163[09:58:38] <Althego> but c is not
going away anytime soon
L164[09:58:42] <GlassYuri> I'm sure I will
come across as a competent programmer if my application is just one
massive rant about what things I hate for minor reasons
L165[09:58:50] <Althego> along with it c++
is also here to stay at least for a while
L166[09:59:42] <GlassYuri> that's what
people look for in job applications, how much you hate
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L168[10:01:32] <Althego> i dint think
so
L169[10:01:35] <GlassYuri> the thing with
C and C++ is that I see no reason why they *should* go away
L170[10:01:43] <GlassYuri> meanwhile
javascript...
L171[10:02:01] <Althego> c++ is getting
increasingly convoluted
L172[10:02:13] <GlassYuri> which language
has killed more people, C or JavaScript
L173[10:02:14] <Althego> yes js shouldnt
exist
L174[10:03:51] <GlassYuri> C is more
likely to be used in context where there is greater potential for
gore
L175[10:05:05] <ve2dmn> well... I don't
know in what language it was coded but a PDP-11 Therac25 medical
device actually delivered the wrong dose of radiation and killed
someone
L176[10:05:25] <GlassYuri> more than one
person I think
L177[10:05:32] <ve2dmn> 3
L178[10:05:51] <Althego> i think those
accidents happened much later too
L179[10:05:54] <ve2dmn> but in one case it
was a brain tumor and the patient neve woke up
L180[10:05:54] <Althego> with some
ct
L181[10:05:56] <Althego> maybe ge,
L182[10:06:02] <GlassYuri> javascript is
more likely to ruin you financially than to cut off your
limbs
L183[10:06:05] <GlassYuri> I guess
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L185[10:06:32] <ve2dmn> "The
high-current electron beam struck the patients with approximately
100 times the intended dose of radiation, and over a narrower area,
delivering a potentially lethal dose of beta radiation."
L186[10:07:18] <Althego> with pdp-11 it
was probably c or fortran
L187[10:07:37] <Guest96656> Can someone
explain how I can insert a picture in a reply on the KSP
forum?
L188[10:08:08] <ve2dmn> Guest96656:
easiest way is to use an image sharing site and link to that
L189[10:08:11] <GlassYuri> Guest96656, if
you can't attach it upload it to imgur or some other hoster and
embed it
L190[10:08:12] <ve2dmn> (like imgur)
L191[10:08:24] <Guest96656> thanks!
L192[10:09:26] <KrimZon_2> I wouldn't
count a language as having killed someone unless it was a
consequence of the language design
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L194[10:11:01] <ve2dmn> KrimZon_2: it was
a race condition if my memory is correct. That 'could' have been
prevented with another language, but remember that this was in
1980s with a PDP-11...
L195[10:11:18] <GlassYuri> KrimZon_2, well
null has been called the most expensive mistake ever
L196[10:13:44] <sandbox> Mr Null
L197[10:14:49] <ve2dmn> GlassYuri: the
tyranny of the default, and without input, Null is always the
default. Just look at Null Island
L198[10:17:01] <Althego> hehe null
island
L199[10:17:09] <Althego> i went there so
many times
L200[10:17:14] <KrimZon_2> I'd define null
as its own type, so when you try to assign null to something that
isn't nulltype you get a type error.
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L202[10:17:38] <Althego> typical in
simulators when lat-lon remains uninintialized
L203[10:17:59] <Althego> haha types
L204[10:18:18] <ve2dmn> KrimZon_2: you are
thinking too high-level
L205[10:18:19] <Althego> the designers of
ada thought something like that too
L206[10:18:33] <Althego> all they achieved
is lenghty administration of types and no real safety
L207[10:18:46] <KrimZon_2> aw :/
L208[10:19:06] <KrimZon_2> i'd heard of
ada but not seen much actual code written in it
L209[10:19:09] <ve2dmn> At the assembleur
level... null is simply 0
L210[10:19:24] <Althego> the solution is
obviously not a bdsm language, but testing
L211[10:20:44] <ve2dmn> And if you don't
initialise variables at that low level (with anything) you get
either 0 or the garbage that was left by the previous
application
L212[10:20:44] <KrimZon_2> i wonder if the
design of a language could make testing easier
L213[10:21:04] <ve2dmn> KrimZon_2: you can
force the compiler to reject some things
L214[10:21:54] <ve2dmn> Like, there is a
patch for GCC that force it to check for buffer overflow before any
memory write
L215[10:22:13] <ve2dmn> but it takes CPU
time to do that and nobody want a slower application
L216[10:23:14] <ve2dmn> Everything in life
is a compromise and/or tradeoff.
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L218[10:24:57] <ve2dmn> Life lesson: never
post a wall of text to a small subreddit and expect people to read
it...
L219[10:25:18] <Althego> no, never expect
people to read
L220[10:25:35] <Rokker> reading is for
communists
L221[10:26:08] <ve2dmn> Althego: well,
/r/truegaming has a self-selecting bias of well-meaning readers and
it spoiled me
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L227[11:00:59] <ve2dmn> (for the record, I
posted a wall of text to the Surviving Mars subreddit)
L228[11:01:28] <ve2dmn> If the devs reads
it, I'll be happy
L229[11:05:50] <ve2dmn> the game isn't
bad, but I have a few... frustrations... with it
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L231[11:08:42] <Althego> there is no scott
manley narration for it :)
L232[11:09:17] <ve2dmn> I would pay for
that DLC
L233[11:09:44] <ve2dmn> 1$ extra for the
Scott Manley voice reading the in-game text
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for a custom Jon St. John stock chatterer voice line pack.
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L239[11:48:45] <Althego> hmm, i didnt see
this
L240[11:48:46] <Althego> yet
L242[11:50:07] <kmath> YouTube - Juno and
The New Jupiter: What Have We Learned So Far?
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L268[13:07:17] <Althego> what
L270[13:07:18] <kmath> YouTube - New Mars
Science Results
L271[13:07:23] <Althego> just started
streaming now
L272[13:07:29] <Althego> i havent finished
the jupiter one yet
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L282[13:35:38] <ve2dmn> Althego: did they
find anything?
L283[13:35:46] <Althego> where
L284[13:35:52] <ve2dmn> On Mars
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L286[13:36:05] <ve2dmn> Aside from cool
rocks
L287[13:36:14] <Althego> no life if you
mean that
L288[13:36:22] <Althego> aside from a
seasonal methane production
L289[13:36:32] <Althego> which may or may
not be from life
L290[13:37:07] <ve2dmn> Cool
L291[13:37:17] <Althego> but that is not a
new thing
L292[13:37:22] <JCB> methane production?
Oooh.. lets build refueling stations there then! ;)
L293[13:38:07] <ve2dmn> JCB: depend on the
amount. It might turn out that you and I produce more Methane in a
day than this process...
L294[13:38:27] <Althego> hehe
L295[13:38:32] <Althego> i think it is
about ppm levels
L296[13:39:16] <ve2dmn> "You want to
harvest that? how" "Well, the tubes would be
unconfortable at first, but you would get used to it"
L297[13:39:28] <Althego> lol
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L299[13:39:49] <ve2dmn> (I don't remember
where that is from. I think Dilbert)
L301[13:40:00] <kmath> YouTube - Beyond
Good and Evil - jet boots
L302[13:41:05] <Althego> collecting that
kind of gas for fuel usage is not a new idea :)
L304[13:46:39] <JCB> Althego I'm no
'cow'....
L305[13:47:01] <JCB> then again... someone
once said, we produce less CO2 driving than if we were to walk/run
the same distance.. or something
L306[13:52:04] <ve2dmn> Probably. But that
CO2 came from a plant, so it was already part of Carbon cycle
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L308[13:52:04] <JCB> lol... carbon... you
know we got carbon tax here? One of the reasons why we pay the most
on gas than anywhere in North America. :\
L309[13:52:04] <ve2dmn> If will could fill
our cars with food, we would not be even talking about it
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L320[14:05:34] <ve2dmn> Smell like a
crappy article
L321[14:05:58] <ve2dmn> This methane will
be the butt of all jokes
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L327[14:43:19] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: Did you ever wonder where Kerbals lived?
L328[14:44:19] <JCB> ... guessing other
than in our heads?
L329[14:44:53] *
Scolar_Visari assumes Kerbals live in underground
bunkers.
L330[14:46:42] <Althego> must be
underground
L331[14:46:49] <Althego> nothing on the
surface
L332[14:46:58] <Althego> also heavy
asteroid bombardement
L333[14:47:00] <JCB> Maybe they just
digital clones... all come from one master copy stored in some
building at the space center
L334[14:47:04] <Althego> almost no signs
of life
L335[14:47:12] <Althego> and they wear the
helmets on the surface too
L336[14:48:13] <JCB> they seem to know how
to swim very well, someone suggested they could also be partly
aquatic
L337[14:48:16] <darsie> They live in the
asteroid complex.
L338[14:48:19] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
The Kerbal Space Program was created in response to Kerbin's
deteriorating surface conditions. Slowly becoming uninhabitable,
Jool's moons remain the only hope.
L339[14:48:19] <darsie> astronaut*
L340[14:48:59] <JCB> there is the ruins,
old space complex...
L342[14:49:19] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: In a
generation, Kerbin will be unfit for complex life. The atmosphere
will be replaced with rocket exhaust.
L343[14:49:43] <ve2dmn> I'm having a
discussion on reddit where someone seems to think we will explore
outside of our local cluster group...
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L345[14:50:08] <JCB> Perhaps.. or perhaps
not, planet does have a lot of plantlife... was never determined
what kind of fuel is used.
L346[14:50:32] <ve2dmn> I doubt we will
cross the 4 millions+ light-years distance between here and outside
the local cluster group
L347[14:51:09] <Althego> maybe not
us
L348[14:51:17] <Althego> but some kind of
ai descendants
L349[14:51:33] <ve2dmn> Sure. An AI could
live millions of years
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L351[14:53:58] <JCB> who's to say.. the
future could go any which direction... or even in multiples
L352[14:54:11] <ve2dmn> but good luck
crossing that 4+ million light-years at sub-light speeds
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L354[14:54:36] <Scolar_Visari> That's
better.
L355[14:54:43] <JCB> lol.. its only just
space
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L357[14:55:28] <ve2dmn> JCB: it's fun to
speculate, but I doubt with our current understanding of the
universe we would go outside the solar system
L358[14:55:31] <Scolar_Visari> There's a
lot more to space than space. Most of it's dark energy I
guess?
L359[14:55:44] <ve2dmn> Space is hard and
BIG. REAL BIG.
L360[14:55:50] <JCB> sure.. could cross
that distance, but there are other things gotta worry about too.
Time.. dilation.. particles..
L361[14:56:03] <ve2dmn> radiation
L362[14:56:22] <JCB> Voyager 1/2 pretty
much there, took nearly same time I've been alive
L363[14:56:27] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: If
you could make interplanetary travel pedestrian, I'm sure you'd
have the radiation thing figured out by the time you want to do
interstellar.
L364[14:56:41] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: Time
dilation, on extreme scales, would be extraordinarily
helpful.
L365[14:57:03] <JCB> go out there, come
back, find out 4billion years passed
L366[14:57:04] <Scolar_Visari> Though
getting to high fractions of c would be problematic.
L367[14:57:29] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: That's
not quite how it'd work unless you're traveling
intergalactic.
L368[14:57:37] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari:
which is why I said earlier that we will never leave the local
cluster
L369[14:57:52] <JCB> might not even have
to deal with distances... just jump instantly, but then there has
been talk about disconnect of time between two locations placed
such a large distance
L370[14:57:59] <Scolar_Visari> Though I
believe a return journey is typically not a consideration in any
quasi-plausible discussion of interstellar travel.
L371[14:58:29] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: I
was gone, though I wouldn't say never, particularly if human-sicle
shenanigans ever become a thing.
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L373[14:59:00] <JCB> lol.. book I have
talks about using black holes as a power source.... powering
interstellar ships
L374[14:59:10] <Scolar_Visari> Or, Heaven
forbid, antimatter rockets with thrust greater than a baby's
fart.
L375[14:59:20] <ve2dmn> You really think
we could build a ship that travel to a fraction of c and that last
for 4 millions+ years?
L376[14:59:37] <APlayer> One day? Why
not?
L377[14:59:50] <JCB> may not even need
spaceships...
L378[15:00:21] <ve2dmn> We have trouble
building things that last 1000 years... much less 10000
L379[15:00:33] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: So
long as you don't violate causality and do it before the Universe's
expansion physically forbids it.
L380[15:00:49] *
Scolar_Visari notes applying modern technology to a problem in the
far future is extraordinarily problematic.
L381[15:00:56] <JCB> ve2dmn you are
talking about a ten-fold in time... human race hasn't exactly been
around super long time
L382[15:01:07] <Althego> we can build
things to last several thousand years
L383[15:01:08] <Scolar_Visari> It'd be
like us trying to apply Egyptian architecture to modern skyscraper
construction.
L384[15:01:12] <Althego> butthey are made
of stone and not machines
L385[15:01:29] *
ve2dmn shrugs
L386[15:02:03] <JCB> space environment is
a relatively new thing for us. making something to last on Earth as
opposed to in space presents different challenges.
L387[15:02:05] <ve2dmn> I just don't see
it with our current understanding of how things work
L388[15:02:27] *
Scolar_Visari ponders using Psi Operative stasis
fields.
L389[15:02:40] <JCB> skyscrapes.. stone..
isn't concrete just a version of stone?
L390[15:02:52] <Scolar_Visari> JCB:
Skyscrapers typically rely more on steel than stone.
L391[15:03:03] <Scolar_Visari> You really
couldn't *get* skyscrapers without lots of steel, in fact.
L392[15:03:11] <Scolar_Visari> And modern
ones typically use lots of glass.
L393[15:03:21] <JCB> ok so some steal,
sure..
L394[15:03:36] <JCB> mind you, japanese
have managed to make houses that don't even use nails
L395[15:03:42] *
Scolar_Visari points at the Empire State Building, for instance,
using steel for its strength and employing the limestone mostly for
decoration as it doesn't carry the weight of the
building.
L396[15:03:51] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: That's
true with most historical cultures.
L397[15:03:53] <Draconiator> Steel was
made from things that came from the earth too :P
L398[15:04:14] <Rolf> theres bucnh of
housing styles that doesnt
L399[15:04:20] <JCB> a lot of the towers
going up over here, concrete and steel reinforcement
L400[15:04:48] *
Scolar_Visari points to the waddle and daub style of housing
popular in Medieval Europe, relying mostly on sticks held together
with a mixture of poo and horse hair.
L401[15:06:09] <JCB> Scolar_Visari seen a
video on one of those... economical, but the stench... when people
could afford, they made some improvements on things. Stone was also
used
L402[15:06:23] <Rolf> in old days people
would burn down house theyre moving out in order to get nails
back
L403[15:06:42] <Draconiator> Gotta wonder
what kept our ancestors back from the tech explosion
nowadays.
L404[15:07:03] <Althego> knowledge
L405[15:07:04] <JCB> sigh... still get the
occasional arsonist..
L406[15:07:13] <Althego> or the lack of
it
L407[15:07:18] <JCB> maybe even some
people playing dirty, forcing redevelopments
L408[15:07:20] <Rolf> Draconiator: no
science
L409[15:07:32] <Rolf> also, keeping
discoveries secret
L410[15:07:58] <JCB> partly knowledge,
partly survival, partly some people felt that religion and serving
the lord was more priority
L411[15:07:59] <Scolar_Visari> Rolf:
That's not really a thing throughout most history aside from very
rare examples ala the secret (albeit poorly kept) production of
silk.
L412[15:08:58] <Scolar_Visari> Keeping
Greek Fire secret, for example, was likely one of the reasons the
Roman Empire could hardly produce much of it.
L413[15:09:08] <ve2dmn> I'm thinking it
also took critical mass to get the bass rolling on the
science
L414[15:10:10] <JCB> there was a number of
factors...
L415[15:10:27] <JCB> quite a bit of
science was actually repressed at times
L416[15:10:34] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: That's
more a myth than reality.
L417[15:10:35] <ve2dmn> bass? ball
rolling. Stupid brain
L418[15:11:21] *
Scolar_Visari wishes there was some way the Dark Ages myths could
be taken out back and hanged and quartered.
L420[15:12:05] <JCB> I only know some
things...
L421[15:12:35] *
Scolar_Visari notes the time frame in the link covers the period
before and after the Reformation and Counter
Reformation.
L422[15:13:29] <Draconiator> I even read
something that said our LEDs today were reverse-engineered from the
Roswell UFO. Do I believe that/ no. lol
L423[15:14:17] <Scolar_Visari>
Draconiator: That's a myth. They actually have their basis in
technology recovered from a captured Sectoid circa 1960s.
L424[15:14:27] <JCB> Men in Black RPG book
says, almost all of the tech now, was brought from other
races/worlds... or something.
L425[15:14:40] <Rolf> didnt you know,
everything was reverse engineered from time machine found in
1700s
L426[15:14:50] <Rolf> no aliens. just
humans
L427[15:15:28] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: As
much in good humor as that is, a lot of people in the past and
modernity (IE Chariots of the Gods) have used the same claims in
serious attacks on cultures deemed too stupid to have developed
things on their own like the Great Pyramids.
L428[15:15:32] <JCB> meh.. just thankful
for some things we have... social media? Ugh... like I got time for
that these days?
L429[15:15:45] <Draconiator> "Hey
Gorble, have the humans recieved our declaration of war?"
"They have Yable, but they play them in places called Clubs,
and they call it Dubstep now.
L430[15:15:47] <Draconiator> "
L432[15:16:37] <Althego> are whales
smarter than humans?
L433[15:16:57] <Scolar_Visari> More
seriously: Technology wasn't reverse engineered. We simply bought
it off the Bentusi.
L434[15:17:03] <Althego> hehe
L436[15:18:00] *
Scolar_Visari shudders at the mention of Scott Adams in a
discussion of science.
L437[15:18:12] <JCB> I don't have answers
for everything... I do know to things, internet has a lot more
stuff than I do. And I need food soon.
L438[15:19:04] <Scolar_Visari> The
internet has any answer you want. Some more accurate than
others.
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L440[15:19:40] *
Scolar_Visari considers the implementation of Wikipedia:Identifying
reliable sources on a global scale.
L441[15:19:44] <JCB> internet also poses a
lot of problems as well.. goes bothways
L442[15:21:50] <Scolar_Visari>
"SpaceX promised to fly tourists to the Moon. How's that
going?" No they did not.
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L444[15:22:25] <Scolar_Visari>
"Nothing else has been announced officially" Except for
the cancellation of any and all plans to ever launch a manned
vessel on the Falcon Heavy.
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L446[15:23:39] <JCB> moon tourists... has
me looking for my mun cruise ship...
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L449[15:24:50] <Scolar_Visari> SpaceX was
solicited by private individuals for a Lunar mission, but it opted
not to pursue them beyond what appears to have been back of the
envelope planning. I'm unsure as to why this story continues to be
incorrectly covered.
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L451[15:26:28] <JCB> ah found it..
L452[15:27:13] <JCB> one career, I had
something like 12 tourist jump out of the woodwork. 2 wanted kerbin
orbit, 10 wanted mun orbit..
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L454[15:27:47] <JCB> somehow managed to
build, launch a craft with only lvl2 pad and VAB...
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L456[15:29:16] <Scolar_Visari> What on
Earth . . . ? "NASA is 100% safe and 100% boring. They should
ask for volunteers for a 95% safe orbital system at 25% cost of the
100% safe system. Solid rockets are the way to go with a robust
capsule eject system."
L457[15:29:35] <Scolar_Visari> So . . .
NASA's already done exactly what this person wanted?
L458[15:29:57] <JCB> sorry to burst the
bubble, going to space has always been considered not safe...
L459[15:30:19] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: It's
probably as safe as driving.
L460[15:30:21] <JCB> then again, never has
been walking across the street..
L461[15:30:46] <Scolar_Visari> Though,
ahem, solid fuel LES have already been a thing for a while now, not
that they're the end-all to LES.
L462[15:31:04] *
Scolar_Visari points to CST-100 and Dragon V2 liquid fuel escape
rockets.
L463[15:31:30] <JCB> You can never
eliminate risk, only manage it
L464[15:33:30] <JCB> any case.. gotta
go..
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L466[15:33:57] <Scolar_Visari> Oh dear.
"No plans whatsoever to create faster engines to send probes
to other star systems. No plans to deflect killer asteroids. All we
do spends billions peeping into Space with multiple telescopes,
that's it!"
L467[15:34:22] *
Scolar_Visari hides the papers on asteroid deflection
strategies.
L468[15:36:35] <Scolar_Visari> New rule:
Any time any one ever mentions, "faster engines" in the
context of spaceflight, they probably haven't a clue as to what
they're talking about.
L470[15:40:00] <schnobs> Wasn't there a
way to remote control a probe from a nearby crewed vessel, no link
back to kerbin required?
L471[15:43:31] <Scolar_Visari> There still
should be.
L472[15:43:52] <Scolar_Visari> They appear
to require a minimum number of pilots, however.
L474[15:44:43] <kmath> YouTube - How to do
remote control with pilots in Kerbal Space Program 1.2
L475[15:44:45] <schnobs> Just reading up
on it (why isn't that on KSPedia?)...
L476[15:45:02] <Scolar_Visari> schnobs:
I've noticed it's not been up to date on a lot of stuff (such as
new parts).
L477[15:45:44] <schnobs> you need a 2.5m
Capsule or Lander Can to *give* control, plus a spare pilot and
relay antenna. Most everything can take it, even cockpits.
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L479[15:48:19] *
Scolar_Visari would think an in-game pedia ala the Civpedia would
also be helpful.
L480[15:49:17] <schnobs> Wouldn't it be
nice? That's what I was hoping for when I first heard of
KSPedia.
L481[15:54:30] <Scolar_Visari> Heck, even
the Total War games have a -pedia now.
L482[15:54:56] <Scolar_Visari> Though,
nonsensically, one that you must be online to use. Heaven forbid
they re-integrate an offline one again.
L483[15:57:11] <schnobs> Been a long while
since i touched that. It's easy to add a -pedia, but for content
and usefulness, Civ sets the benchmark I think.
L484[15:57:53] <Scolar_Visari> The City
Builder games (Caesar III, Pharaoh, etc.) had pretty good in game
encylopedias to match their novel-length manuals.
L485[15:58:02] <Scolar_Visari> And that
was starting in the 90's!
L486[15:58:23] *
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given the amount of writing that went into its other
content.
L487[16:00:11] <schnobs> Well, back in the
90s it was probaly more necessary. In my neck of the woods,
(affordable) internet flatrates didn't turn up until y2k or
so.
L488[16:01:26] <Scolar_Visari> It is
irritating in modern games to have online-only encyclopedias,
though, particularly since it means opening up a memory eating
browser.
L489[16:01:43] <Scolar_Visari> It's like
Creative Assembly forgot how to make in-game windows . . .
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L517[18:28:44] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
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L549[22:01:02] <Draco12> so I managed to
remove the IDE/PATA interface board out of one of my old CD-ROM
drives...if I replace it with a SATA one, it would work
right?
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L557[22:38:14] <JCB> Mmm...
L558[22:39:19] <JCB> been mulling over
something. In the early days, they just wanted to get someone into
space... but later, they went to two and three person crews. I
understand workload and wanting to go bigger, but was there any
other reasons why they didn't go back to two person crew
ships?
L559[22:39:46] <JCB> asking because been
brainstorming something for a project..
L560[22:41:10] <bees> you launch what your
rocket payload gives you
L562[22:41:29] <bees> and large space
stations like ISS require a lot of maintenance
L563[22:41:53] <bees> would probably be
much less in next gen station, because ISS is somewhat ancient
already
L564[22:41:58] <JCB> I know there was
issues with isolation on single person crew..
L565[22:42:58] <JCB> lol.. ancient
huh?
L566[22:43:43] <bees> electronics, solar
panels
L567[22:44:51] <bees> ISS is a long lived
station, new one with all this data from ISS could be much
better
L568[22:44:54] <JCB> perhaps, though this
ain't no cell phone.. oop two months, gotta get a new one
L569[22:45:30] <JCB> at least we are
getting a lot of mileage out of it...
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L571[22:45:48] <JCB> don't forget,
hubble's been up quite a while too
L572[22:48:48] <Supernovy> 3 was chosen
because that's how many people you need for 24 hours of eight hour
shifts. I think the idea came from the navy.
L573[22:49:41] <Supernovy> For the Skylab
missions I'd guess they chose three because they already had a
three-crew craft.
L574[22:50:04] <Supernovy> Don't know why
Soyuz went up to three. Their moon mission was planned for
two.
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L578[23:22:06] <JCB> The Russians did two
and three... It was more to do with the design of teh spacecraft
and how much room they had. Unfortunately, at the time, in order to
fit 3, the crew couldn't wear suits. That didn't exactly go over
well and was changed
L579[23:25:06] <JCB> hmm.. speaking of
shifts... I take it no mod that takes into account rest periods?
(kerbals never rest?)
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