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L57[05:04:38] <Eddi|zuHause> i've never
understood why the game insists on showing the opposite side of the
planet every single time
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L60[05:29:44] <Gasher[work]> hm, inversion
of ailerons is a funny thing
L61[05:31:31] <Althego> or of any control
surface
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L63[05:32:51] <Gasher[work]> well those
which are on the furtherst and the most flexible part usually show
that effect much more
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L78[08:08:24] <Althego> hehe
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L85[08:37:35] <Truga> guys
L86[08:37:38] <Truga> why didn't anyone
tell me
L88[08:38:25] <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds
like a horrible idea :p
L89[08:38:35] <Truga> no it's the best
idea
L90[08:40:12] <Truga> Supports in-flight
IVA, and room-scale VAB / SPH.
L91[08:40:14] <Truga> perfect
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L93[08:45:36] <Mat2ch> now, how motion sick
do you get on a crash? :D
L94[08:46:51] <Truga> I've become immune to
VR sickness almost 2 years ago, I'll be fine :p
L95[08:50:25] <ve2dmn> I tried the HTC
Vive. It was awesome. A bit too pricey for me
L96[08:50:58] <sandbox> I saw the Robbaz
video too
L97[08:51:45] <Truga> ve2dmn i have a vive
pro now, been flying il-2 basically daily
L98[08:51:48] <Truga> it's so so good in
vr
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L100[08:52:31] <ve2dmn> I 'rented' my
experience
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L119[10:13:44] <Althego> good idea
L120[10:13:57] <Althego> until we have
direct brain interface
L122[10:21:53] <Althego> but this is well
known
L123[10:22:07] <ve2dmn> I knew the days
were getting longer since some fossil records show years of 425
days, but I didn't know the mechanism
L124[10:22:51] <ve2dmn> Can't wait for the
25h day.
L125[10:22:57] <Althego> hehe
L126[10:23:00] <Althego> bit far
away
L127[10:23:13] <Althego> a leap second
every few years
L128[10:23:22] <ve2dmn> if i could, I
would try the 28h cycle thing for a few weeks
L129[10:27:36] <ve2dmn> I'm sure it would
do wonders for my sleep issues
L130[10:27:54] <Althego> not everybody is
on a 24 hour cycle
L131[10:28:18] <Althego> the day night
changes correct it to the actual day length
L132[10:28:27] <Althego> but your body may
want to function on something else
L133[10:28:48] <ve2dmn> I can't sleep with
daylight
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L135[10:35:27] <Rokker> GlassYuri: are you
ever going to post a tweet that, idk, uses the required language
for the channel
L136[10:35:39] <Rokker> so that kmath isnt
posting in chinese or japanese
L137[10:36:18] <GlassYuri> it's not like I
gave you all the information you need to understand it
L138[10:37:31] <Rokker> its not about
understanding
L139[10:38:17] <GlassYuri> it's about two
lines of text on your screen that you can't read
L140[10:38:39] <Rokker> no
L141[10:38:47] <Rokker> its about 2 lines
of text breaking channel rules
L142[10:42:12] <TheKosmonaut> Shh
L143[10:42:14] <TheKosmonaut> Quiet
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L146[10:46:53] <Althego> are the launchpad
symbols shakaing for everybody else? it looks really annoying
L147[10:53:19] <GlassYuri> "The USSR
and the Soviet Union" wat
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L149[11:05:23] <Fluburtur>
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
L150[11:05:26] <Fluburtur> new robbaz
videos
L151[11:05:29] <Fluburtur> redneck
brothers
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L158[11:49:42] <Althego> hehe
L160[11:50:10] <kmath> YouTube - "Fat
Earth Theory' - How Earth's Shape Changes Spacecraft Orbits
L161[11:53:59] <Fluburtur> one hehe a day
to keep the althego alive
L162[11:54:31] <Althego> i was thinking...
if in 46 it was possible to get radar echo from the moon, today it
should be available for anybody
L163[11:54:48] <Althego> because at that
time it was cutting edge, now it is probably just microwave
tech
L164[11:55:07] <Fluburtur> eh still would
need enough power to be dangerous for idiots
L165[11:55:12] <Fluburtur> but now I want
a moon radar
L166[11:55:13] <Althego> hehe
L167[11:55:14] <Fluburtur> good job
L168[11:55:23] <Althego> but they couldnt
say that hah you cant know how far the moon is
L169[11:55:39] <Althego> yes they should
just blow themselves up, but since they would never do any
experiment...
L170[11:55:57] <ve2dmn> Althego: Ham radio
operator also use the moon to bounce off signals
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L172[11:56:05] <Althego> lol
L173[11:56:08] <Fluburtur> mostly the
upper atmo tho
L174[11:56:11] <Fluburtur> a bit
closer
L175[11:56:13] <Althego> are you sure not
the ionosphere or something
L179[11:56:47] <Fluburtur> ve2dmn those
guys are hardcore then
L180[11:56:54] <Fluburtur> how much power
do you even need to do that?
L181[11:56:55] <Althego> lol the
bird
L182[11:56:56] <ve2dmn>
"Earth–Moon–Earth communication (EME), also known as moon
bounce, is a radio communications technique that relies on the
propagation of radio waves from an Earth-based transmitter directed
via reflection from the surface of the Moon back to an Earth-based
receiver."
L183[11:57:00] <Fluburtur> like 100 watts
or something
L184[11:57:06] <Althego> that is not even
much
L185[11:57:17] <Fluburtur> it kinda is for
amateur radio stuff
L186[11:57:18] <Althego> now i want to
build a moon distance measuring radio
L187[11:57:23] <Fluburtur> but I think the
limit is actually 1kw
L188[11:57:34] <Fluburtur> and my CB is 2w
at most
L189[11:57:36] <Althego> think of it, my
psu is something like 550 watts
L190[11:57:42] <Althego> in the pc
L191[11:57:53] <Althego> so it is easily
available power
L192[11:58:11] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: it
depends
L193[11:58:30] <ve2dmn> The record for
lowest is 3 milliwatts
L194[11:58:38] <Fluburtur> radio power and
electrical power are not exactly the same kind of stuff
L195[11:58:46] <Fluburtur> I mean they are
but you can do nice stuff with low radio power
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L199[11:59:24] <Althego> squatting
slav?
L200[11:59:47] <Fluburtur> yes
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L202[12:01:02] <ve2dmn> But different
wavelength react differently
L203[12:01:15] <ve2dmn> some are bounced
more easily on the ionosphere
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L205[12:03:21] <Althego> i actually didnt
know how the sun synch orbit works
L206[12:03:30] <Althego> i knew it was
some extra gravitational effect on it
L207[12:03:35] <Althego> but i didnt know
what
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L209[12:11:41] <ve2dmn> I didn't realise
that the EME communcation has a doppler effect at moonrise or
moonset, but it makes a lot of sense
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L214[12:15:34] <APlayer> How significant
would the doppler effect be, though?
L215[12:15:57] <ve2dmn> according to
wikipedia, it's 300hz for a 144MHz communication
L216[12:17:25] <APlayer> Isn't that next
to nothing?
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L219[12:24:45] <ve2dmn> It is, but it's in
interesting way to verify the speed, distance and radius of the
moon
L220[12:26:37] <Althego> for radio
transmission that i not much. for a real radar image, i bet they
have to work really hard to cancel that
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L222[12:32:25] <senray> Anyone familiar
with how Kolonization levels and such work with MKS? Trying to
figure out what the numbers on the dashboard mean
L224[12:35:49] <kmath> YouTube - Wings
combat and crazy swordsman challenge.
L225[12:36:01] <Althego> hehe
L226[12:36:05] <Althego> instant
crash
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L228[12:39:00] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: uh,
when was the video shot?
L229[12:39:19] <Fluburtur> between like 4
months ago and a few weeks ago
L230[12:40:03] <Fluburtur> some of that
footage is from before the canadair crash
L231[12:40:28] <Rokker> hmmmm
L232[12:40:33] <Rokker> umbral raptor is
dead
L233[12:40:33] <Althego> english
captions?
L234[12:40:38] <Rokker> i wished to speak
with him
L235[12:41:03] <Fluburtur> I speak like 10
words in that video, no need for captions
L236[12:41:28] <Althego> i still dont know
what those words mean :9
L237[12:42:14] <Rokker> Althego: well if i
know french
L238[12:42:16] <Rokker> and i dont
L239[12:42:22] <Rokker> 5 of them were
surrender
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L241[12:43:01] <Althego> lol
L242[12:43:10] <Fluburtur> rokker
pls
L243[12:43:13] <Fluburtur> only 2
L244[12:43:28] *
Rokker slaps Fluburtur in the maginot line
L245[12:43:43] <Rokker> Fluburtur: the F3D
is so bad
L246[12:43:48] <Rokker> sooooo bad
L247[12:43:55] <Fluburtur> heh
L248[12:44:07] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: ah, I
see. You were wearing coats there.
L249[12:44:11] <Mat2ch> it's freaking hot
now...
L250[12:44:28] <Fluburtur> yeah in the
videos of last weekend I didn't even have a shirt on
L252[12:44:43] <kmath> YouTube - only up
challenge
L253[12:45:44] <Althego> is that the
fanservice? :)
L254[12:46:00] <Fluburtur> yeah you get to
see my skeletton
L255[12:46:08] <Fluburtur> no xray needed,
just a strong enough light
L256[12:47:42] <Althego> hehe
L257[12:48:00] <Althego> reminds me of
tasogare otome x amnesia
L258[12:48:27] <Fluburtur> rokker new
peter video
L259[12:48:45] <Althego> dead girl
completely fine with seen naked. absolutely fears showing her real
remains
L260[12:48:45] <Fluburtur> btw apparently
foamie was at the memphis belle thing
L261[12:49:21] <Fluburtur> can't touch
nakey ghost
L262[12:51:48] <ve2dmn> Althego: out of
context this was weird
L263[12:52:13] <Althego> fluburtur talked
about skeletoin
L264[12:52:17] <Rokker> ve2dmn: pretty
weird in context
L265[12:53:43] <ve2dmn> It's
Anime-related. Still weird but it's not suprising
L266[12:54:05] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: Please
put the shirt back on ;P
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L268[12:54:21] <Althego> hehe
L269[12:54:22] <Fluburtur> I don't want to
die
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L272[12:56:40] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: Heat
wave? Is it 32°C + 100% humidity?
L273[12:56:54] <Fluburtur> not far
L274[12:56:59] <Fluburtur> more like 25
and thunder
L275[12:57:17] <ve2dmn> 25C? You call that
a heat wave?
L276[12:57:29] <Fluburtur> it was more
warm last week
L277[12:59:32] <Mat2ch> ve2dmn: it's 30°C
here for days now and the next thunderstorm will be tomoroow
L278[12:59:59] <Mat2ch> and then 27°C and
thunderstorm every day for the next few days /o\
L279[13:00:03] <Mat2ch> I will die of
humidity
L280[13:00:08] <ve2dmn> Mat2ch: I have
friends in Sweden who are in similar situation
L281[13:00:15] <Mat2ch> steamed to
death
L282[13:00:24] <Mat2ch> They had 30°C in
Oslo!
L283[13:00:27] <Mat2ch> OSLO
L284[13:00:40] <Mat2ch> That's hotter than
a typical summer there
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L286[13:02:22] <ve2dmn> let's hope it
doesn't last
L287[13:02:39] <ve2dmn> I would hate to
see my friends suffer, while I get 13°C
L288[13:03:23] <APlayer> Schools are
partially closing during the afternoons here in Germany. Our school
has a similar policy (it has to be blah-blah degrees hot by 10 AM
or something), but it only applies to grades 10 and lower, so the
older students have to sit in the heat while the younger ones are
leaving the school :P
L289[13:03:48] <ve2dmn> no A/C?
L290[13:05:21] <APlayer> Technically, we
have a centralized ventilation and cooling unit, but it's as old as
the school itself, which is about 45 years I think. And I've never
felt any effect from it. Those are basically huge pipes to make the
airflow slow in order to not distract anyone, so it's natural that
it can't be felt, but I don't think it's working at all, because it
doesn't help
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L292[13:06:15] <ve2dmn> We have heat pump
for both summer and winter. They are awesome (when they work
correctly)
L293[13:07:37] <APlayer> Also,
occasionally the heating is on in summer, because it's centralized
too. It used to have handles until a few years before I started
visiting this school, when *modernization* called for the controls
to be in the caretaker room, and it /never/ works well.
L294[13:08:11] <APlayer> Sometimes in
winter it's on such a high setting that being in a room is as
unbearable as being there mid summer
L295[13:08:58] <ve2dmn> How cold is it
outside?
L296[13:09:55] <Eddi|zuHause> last week i
was working on some machines in a factory, and their cooling water
system was so cold that it formed drops on the pipes. THAT was a
completely extremely unpleasant place to work
L297[13:09:59] <APlayer> Up to -20°C and
sometimes might be a bit colder, but I don't remember such
temperatures this year. I think the coldest this winter was -15° or
so
L298[13:10:37] <ve2dmn> And I guess you
all heat with natural gas?
L299[13:10:42] <APlayer> I mean, welcome
to south Germany, where continental climate slaps you in winter,
and then slaps you again in summer
L300[13:11:10] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not that
far south
L301[13:11:35] <ve2dmn> APlayer: look up
the weather data for Montreal
L302[13:11:40] <APlayer> Well, I'm not
sure how much of that gas is actually wasted when heat is wasted,
because we have a double system where they generate electricity
from gas and as a bonus, harvest the excess heat
L303[13:11:46] *
TerminalRaptor missed the summers. Lots of 40+ days?
L304[13:12:59] <Althego> i like the small
puff effect that haooens when jets flame out
L305[13:13:18] <Althego> Rokker: there he
is now, TerminalRaptor
L306[13:13:53] <ve2dmn> APlayer: I would
curious how we would compare. I also have continental weather with
very low in January and very high in July
L307[13:14:14] <ve2dmn> And 70% humidity
all the time :/
L308[13:14:43] <APlayer> ve2dmn: The
extreme ranges, I'd estimate, are -20 and +35. Usual worst of the
year is -10 and + 30 or so
L309[13:14:52] <APlayer> Call that -15,
perhaps
L310[13:14:57] <Fluburtur> I need to get a
band together
L311[13:15:08] <Fluburtur> I have a
drummer friend and I know someone who plays guitar
L312[13:15:14] <Fluburtur> so we could try
to play some stuff
L313[13:15:20] <TerminalRaptor> Currently
26 C with 41% humidity outside IAD.
L314[13:15:24] <ve2dmn> APlayer: similar
to mine I guess
L315[13:15:25] <Fluburtur> if we ever find
the time and room to put all the music crap
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L317[13:15:45] <APlayer> The weather here
seems close to that of TerminalRaptor's
L318[13:16:00] <Fluburtur> I wanted to
turn my room into a music room before it became my workshop and
full of crap
L319[13:16:16] <APlayer> Also, hailstorms.
They are not usual, but we've had three this summer already
L320[13:16:39] <Eddi|zuHause> sidenote: it
isn't actually summer yet
L321[13:17:08] <APlayer> Well, this
apparent summer. I'm going by temperature, not calendar here
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L323[13:18:35] <TerminalRaptor> Virginia
is weirdly lacking in hail vs the midwest.
L324[13:19:49] <ve2dmn> APlayer: I just
compared with Munich. I have the same annual highs, but I get -10C
lower on average
L325[13:20:13] <APlayer> Munich is a bad
comparison
L326[13:20:22] <ve2dmn> I went with what I
know
L327[13:20:44] <APlayer> The particular
place where I live is a meteorological anomaly, we have a much
higher amount of clouds and rain
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L330[13:21:01] <ve2dmn> ok.
Montains?
L331[13:22:48] <TerminalRaptor> ooh, ps/2
ports.
L332[13:22:55] <APlayer> I guess it's just
a nearby small river and the local landscape, because the mountains
are another 150 km from here
L333[13:22:56] <Althego> must be an old
pic
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L336[13:26:58] <ve2dmn> APlayer:
Interesting. Although not unheard of
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L339[13:28:15] <ve2dmn> (which nearly
ruined the winter olympics)
L340[13:28:58] <APlayer> Hey, this area is
informally called "Germany's bladder"
L341[13:29:25] <APlayer> Really, the
weather sucks, but you don't think much about it if you live
here
L342[13:29:29] <APlayer> It becomes
normal
L343[13:29:40] <ve2dmn> same, I
guess
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L346[13:30:51] <ve2dmn> Note to self:
don't visit Aplayer in the deep of winter... I'm trying to escape
the cold during holidays, not go back in it
L347[13:31:40] <APlayer> The one
difference about holidays in hot and cold places is, when it's
cold, you can add an additional layer of clothes. When it's hot,
you're stuck
L348[13:32:02] <ve2dmn> Although I hate
cold waves, I still prefer cold then warm: It's usually easier to
warm up then to survive a heat wave
L349[13:32:12] <ve2dmn> ninja'd
L350[13:32:16] <Althego> except when it is
cold, that additional layer just lengthens the time until you get
completely cold
L351[13:33:02] <ve2dmn> Althego: no
really: you produce your own heat. You only need to delay cold
until it's spring again anyway
L352[13:33:10] <Althego> hehe
L353[13:33:51] <APlayer> Real programmers
overclock their CPU to produce heat during the cold months of the
year
L354[13:34:08] <ve2dmn> I run bitcoins
miners for that
L355[13:34:41] <Gasher> so you basically
burn bitcoins for heat? neat
L356[13:34:49] <ve2dmn> at 6c/kwh it's
almost worth it
L357[13:34:53] <Rokker> TerminalRaptor:
oi
L358[13:36:49] <TerminalRaptor> Rokker:
io
L359[13:37:13] <Rokker> TerminalRaptor:
new horizons is awake
L360[13:37:27] <Althego> there are several
months until its flyby
L361[13:37:31] <Rokker> TerminalRaptor:
kupier belt object :d
L362[13:37:36] <Rokker> :D
L363[13:37:40] <Rokker> Althego: dont
care
L364[13:38:31] <TerminalRaptor> Ultima
Thule hype!
L365[13:38:51] <Rokker> Althego: even a
year before we reached pluto, NH was giving us better pics of pluto
than we had ever seen
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L367[13:40:02] <Althego> we need a charity
foundation that sends flat earthers to space so that they can see
the curvature with their own eyes (and optionally brings them
back)
L368[13:40:23] <Fluburtur> send them to
venus
L369[13:40:59] <Fluburtur> also I had my
camera at work today so I took funny pictures
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L371[13:41:41] <ve2dmn> Gasher: we heat
with electricity anyway... so why not waste it to do 'some'
work
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L376[13:50:45] <APlayer> Only bring them
back if they earned it
L377[13:51:51] <Fluburtur> Rokker have you
seen the new rs2 maps
L378[13:51:58] <Fluburtur> there is omaha
beach but with helis
L379[13:52:28] <Rokker> no
L380[13:52:59] <Fluburtur> resort
L381[13:53:01] <Fluburtur> try it
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L383[13:53:11] *
JCB peeks in...
L384[13:53:27] <Althego> peek in, poke
out
L385[13:53:51] <JCB> just.. something on
the my mind, but didn't want to interrupt
L386[13:53:55] <ve2dmn> PEEK(53281)
L387[13:53:57] <Althego> poke
53281,1
L388[13:54:39] <JCB> peek-poke.. and on
that, was reading up on the commands in a friend's apple II user
guide..
L389[13:54:41] <Althego> i was thinking
about the middle number and you typed in faste :)
L390[13:55:00] <Althego> but this number
is for c64
L391[13:55:07] <ve2dmn> ^
L393[13:55:34] <JCB> I remember seeing the
commands before on a few other machines, even used it in code for
an old PC..
L394[13:55:53] <JCB> but wasn't sure how
they actually worked. Seems it's helpful to have useful
addresses
L395[13:55:55] <ve2dmn> Possible. Syntax
would change
L396[13:56:53] <JCB> but any case...
dropped by, seems one thing lead to another (scott's video on
orbits, me looking up on subsatellites from apollo, ... now I
forgot..)
L397[13:57:16] *
JCB flips to the other tab and 'oh ya's.
L398[13:57:24] <Althego> today put
together 2 small sstos
L399[13:57:32] <Althego> both are bit
anemic
L400[13:57:41] <Althego> but they
worked
L401[13:57:50] <JCB> was thinking to do a
video recording, wondering how much info from previous space
missions I should put in.. since some of it takes ideas from
them.
L402[13:58:00] <Althego> not bad without
ker and after a long hiatus
L403[13:58:35] <JCB> sometimes anemic
works out better? Put too much fuel in, have to compensate with
more or bigger engines
L404[14:00:22] <Althego> that is the
problem, the single jet is not enough so it eats up too much fuel
during ascent
L405[14:00:39] <Althego> i would need 1.1
jets :)
L406[14:00:48] <ve2dmn> Althego: I tried
making a single-fuel SSTO
L407[14:00:50] <ve2dmn> ...I gave up
L408[14:00:58] <Althego> yes that is
hard
L409[14:01:03] <Althego> or rather reasy
but inefficient
L410[14:01:22] <Althego> if you want a
single nuke and still do anything, that doesnt work out
L411[14:01:26] <ve2dmn> That LV-N just
doesn't have enough TWR
L412[14:01:34] <JCB> LV-N also pretty darn
heavy
L413[14:01:42] <Althego> maybe if you
could overload the engine and then it starts to overheat and eat
more fuel but output more thrust...
L414[14:01:43] <ve2dmn> And big
L415[14:01:51] <Althego> yes they used to
be pretty much op engines
L416[14:02:06] <Althego> but now they are
something like 2.5 t
L417[14:02:07] <JCB> wasn't just the
engines... game physics changed too
L418[14:02:22] <ve2dmn> That LV-N looks so
big, next to the air-breathing engines
L419[14:02:28] <JCB> used to be able to
cruise at orbital speeds in atmos, sipping fuel... lol
L420[14:02:35] <Althego> hehe
L421[14:02:39] <Althego> yes, up to 68
km
L422[14:02:48] <Althego> with orbital
speed
L423[14:03:02] <JCB> I didn't even have to
scoop stack
L424[14:05:16] <ve2dmn> And I have yet to
make a ship that can take off from Eve
L425[14:05:31] <ve2dmn> Although, I came
pretty close
L426[14:05:48] <JCB> lol.. I've yet to go
past minmus other than maybe a few failed attempts to Jool
L427[14:05:52] <Althego> i have a dream
vehicle for eve. ascends with props until it reaches usable
pressures
L428[14:05:57] <Althego> so it would be
really small
L429[14:06:16] <ve2dmn> props? Run on
powers?
L430[14:06:23] <Althego> but since my
electric prop design could barely make a small plane ascend
L431[14:06:24] <JCB> electric props?
L432[14:06:37] <Althego> i doubt i could
make enough thrust for direct lifting
L433[14:07:03] <Althego> and stock props
are bothersome, even 1, having 2 or 4 on a craft is really
bad
L434[14:07:11] <JCB> I've sometimes
wondered about props and wings on other worlds.. lower
gravity/pressure, how those would affect things.
L435[14:07:28] <Althego> scott talked
about wind turbines in mars
L436[14:07:37] <Fluburtur> lower grav
would be fine, idk about presure
L437[14:07:44] <Althego> it turns out they
are surprisingly good sepite the lack of pressure
L438[14:07:53] <Fluburtur> I guess you can
use reynolds number to translate the aerodynamics
L439[14:08:28] <JCB> considering jet
engines run 30k feet up no problems on Earth here.. where human's
can't breath too well
L440[14:08:57] <JCB> though partial
pressure of O2 might be a problem in some cases
L442[14:15:49] <JCB> huh... ok this is
cool, the home page on youtube for me finally fixed itself..
L443[14:16:37] <Rokker> Fluburtur: nah, i
think thats buddah
L444[14:16:50] <Gasher> Fluburtur, what's
that game?
L445[14:16:51] <JCB> Fluburtur
sproing!
L447[14:17:03] <Fluburtur> rising storm
2
L448[14:17:08] <Althego> a rokker jesus?
ew
L449[14:17:16] <ve2dmn> I had a design
with 'pods' that could be dropped on any planets. They would fit
below the ship in the middle and includes a small antenna and all
the science
L450[14:18:52] <Rokker> Althego: im your
own personal jesus
L451[14:18:59] *
Rokker reaches out and touches Althego
L452[14:19:04] <Althego> brr
L453[14:21:16] <JCB> UmbralRaptop Yay
Titan... though you'd freeze pretty quick
L454[14:21:41] <UmbralRaptop> Obviously
you should use an ASRTG
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L456[14:22:55] <JCB> geh... strapped like
a backpack?
L458[14:31:08] <Rokker> Fluburtur: dont
judge. you should fire a gun however you are most comfortable
shooting it
L459[14:31:20] <Fluburtur> but viets don't
fly
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L470[15:18:14] <ve2dmn> darsie: you know,
you can use more than 1 docking port at once?
L472[15:19:58] <ve2dmn> I don't recommend
that particular one... it was a pain to dock correctly
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L477[15:35:47] <transitbiker> so, ive not
seen anyone else mention the fact that the foster mother from
terminator 2 is the same actor as the immigrant mother telling a
bedtime story to 2 kids as the ship sank in titanic
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L479[15:38:29] <transitbiker> she was also
in aliens
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L481[15:38:49] <transitbiker> i'm
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L483[15:41:53] <darsie> ve2dmn: I didn't.
Looks like this works in the VAB, too.
L484[15:45:40] <darsie> ve2dmn: You mean
in a circuit?
L485[15:45:47] <darsie> loop
L486[15:45:52] <JCB> transitbiker
Weaver?
L487[15:46:04] <ve2dmn> not just a
loop
L488[15:46:27] <darsie> Well, ofc a space
station can multiple ports and docked ships.
L489[15:46:28] <ve2dmn> but you can use 2,
3 or more docking ports for more stability
L490[15:46:58] <JCB> keyed docking ports
would be nice... forced alignments
L491[15:47:05] <darsie> JCB: They
are.
L492[15:47:25] <ve2dmn> JCB: check out the
Konstruction Ports
L493[15:48:06] <JCB> well I'm sure there
are such in mod' packs
L494[15:48:06] <Supercheese> or DockRotate
mod
L495[15:48:15] <Supercheese> works with
vanilla ports even
L496[15:48:21] <ve2dmn> ^
L497[15:48:32] <Supercheese> so it
effectively upgrades your already-launched ships
L498[15:49:09] <JCB> docking port
alignment indicator... although, I'm actually getting pretty good
with using just the nav ball. :)
L499[15:50:45] <ve2dmn> Supercheese: I
like the Konstruction ports because you can make the link
permanent... But they lack compatibility with standard ports
L500[15:51:29] <JCB> ve2dmn that like the
welding sorta thing?
L501[15:51:36] <ve2dmn> yes
L502[15:51:56] <ve2dmn> They have an
auto-alignement feature
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L504[16:04:35] <Fluburtur> Rokker finally
have the f6f-5n
L505[16:04:46] <Fluburtur> I can finally
research the glorious vb 10
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L510[16:13:34] <Rokker> Fluburtur: i cant
explain navy planes
L511[16:13:52] <Rokker> Fluburtur: explain
what
L512[16:13:55] <Supercheese> Spoilers: The
VB.10 is ***horrible***
L513[16:14:06] <Fluburtur> paper wings
apparently
L514[16:14:12] <Fluburtur> but I want
those french jets
L515[16:14:13] <Supercheese> awful, awful
plane
L516[16:14:20] <Fluburtur> they are
horrible apparently
L517[16:14:22] <Fluburtur> in a good
way
L518[16:14:36] <oren> Rokker: why aren't
supersonic seaplanes a thing dammit
L519[16:14:48] <Supercheese> wasn't there
one
L520[16:14:50] <Supercheese> from uhh
convair
L522[16:15:01] <Rokker> oren: they
tried
L523[16:15:02] <Supercheese> that
one
L524[16:15:05] <Rokker> it was dum
L525[16:15:20] <Rokker> Fluburtur: explain
what dammit
L526[16:15:29] <Fluburtur> the ugly ball
on the wing
L527[16:15:34] <Rokker> radar
L528[16:16:04] <Fluburtur> why
L529[16:16:08] <JCB> mmm... would love
model of the Tigercat :)
L530[16:16:14] <Rokker> Fluburtur: for
seeing things
L531[16:16:28] <Fluburtur> no
L532[16:16:38] <Rokker> Fluburtur:
yes
L533[16:16:49] <Fluburtur> no
L534[16:16:51] <Fluburtur> it ugly
L535[16:16:53] <Fluburtur> remove it
L536[16:17:02] <Supercheese> it's a RADAR,
I believe
L537[16:17:09] <Supercheese> early ones
tended to be... bulgy
L538[16:17:23] <oren> it's a malignant
tumour
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L540[16:17:55] <Rokker> Supercheese: i
already said that
L541[16:18:00] <Rokker> and they are still
bulgy
L542[16:18:20] <JCB> a few modern aircraft
have wing mounted radar pods
L543[16:19:32] <JCB> you want ugly..? Go
check out Burt Rutan's Boomerang aircraft :P
L544[16:19:55] <Fluburtur> crpa the mb157
can climb
L545[16:20:02] <Fluburtur> up to 3000m
with no effort
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L564[17:45:09] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: Don't take down the statues of Emperor
Palpatine! The Galactic Empire is part of our heritage!
L565[17:47:36] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari: bit
political innit
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L568[17:53:01] <Scolar_Visari> It'd only
be current if we discussed it in the context of the modern First
Order.
L569[17:55:08] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari: can
we please just try to keep thinly veiled political references out
of the channel
L570[17:55:13] <Rokker> no need for them
in here
L571[17:56:01] *
Scolar_Visari senses Rebel scum.
L572[17:56:27] <BenjaminK> Rokker's
right
L573[17:56:28] <BenjaminK> Please
L574[17:56:36] <BenjaminK> Nobody needs a
heated debate
L575[17:57:49] <Supercheese> or even a
Lukewarm debate
L576[17:57:49] <Scolar_Visari> BenjaminK:
About a fictional universe in a channel where such things are
pandemic?
L577[17:58:07] <Scolar_Visari> Second only
to idling, of course.
L578[17:58:28] <Rokker> oh please
L579[18:00:04] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
your reference was so thinly veiled we could see its
unmentionables
L580[18:01:52] <Scolar_Visari> Given the
amount of people who dress up like Stormtroopers . . .
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L582[18:04:06] <Scolar_Visari> Though
Heaven forbid I bring up the topic of Inner Sphere 'Mech names >
Clan 'Mech Names.
L583[18:04:13] <Scolar_Visari> Mad Cat
FOREVER!
L584[18:04:43] <KerbalCanuck> Is there a
mod so I can see my speed in a digital read out?
L585[18:04:51] <Rokker> KerbalCanuck:
hello mr CF-100
L586[18:05:06] <Rokker> a digital readout
where
L587[18:05:37] <darsie> KerbalCanuck: It's
displayed above the navball.
L588[18:06:47] <KerbalCanuck> So it's not
only displayed on the vertical speed indicator, but on the navball
as well?
L589[18:07:03] <darsie> Try playing KSP
;).
L590[18:07:05] <Rokker> should be
L591[18:07:15] <Scolar_Visari>
KerbalCanuck: RPM can also display it for IVAs as part of the
MFDs
L592[18:07:19] <Rokker> KerbalCanuck:
might have an arrow that can hide it
L593[18:07:28] <KerbalCanuck> RCS
Indicator!
L594[18:07:35] <Rokker> might wanna look
to see if you accidentally pressed it
L595[18:07:38] <KerbalCanuck> On the
Navball
L596[18:09:10] <KerbalCanuck>
Ahh… See I though it was always beside the Altitude
L598[18:09:46] *
Scolar_Visari shakes Magic 8 Ball to receive,
"doubtful".
L599[18:11:00] <ve2dmn> Rokker: I have a
psecial place in my heart for the doomed CF-105 project
L600[18:11:29] <KerbalCanuck> I agree
ve2dmn
L601[18:13:37] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
Take one SAAB Draken and call me in the morning.
L602[18:13:54] <Rokker> ve2dmn: yeah but i
called him a CF-100 cause thats the Canuck
L603[18:14:04] <Rokker> canadas only
internally designed and manufactured fighter
L604[18:14:27] <KerbalCanuck> So if I have
made my engine throlled to 50% when I attached it in the assembly
building and then only had the throttle to 50% on the launch pad. I
would be really only be used 25% of the engine actual power. Am I
correct?
L605[18:14:37] <Scolar_Visari> The MiG-31
is also a suitable over-the-counter substitute, but do not take
MiG-31 if you are pregnant, trying to become pregnant or have
severe peanut allergies.
L606[18:15:27] <Scolar_Visari> MiG-31 is
not for everyone and may lead to increased risk of heart attack
with individuals with a family history of heart problems. Contact
your local arms dealer to see if supersonic fighter craft are right
for you.
L607[18:15:31] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: I'm
only allergic to Avocados
L608[18:15:45] <Rokker> ve2dmn: also
L609[18:15:58] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: can
it cause halitosis?
L610[18:16:11] <Rokker>
XF-108>CF-105
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L613[18:16:30] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
Allergic to lawyers?
L614[18:16:31] <JCB> Scolar_Visari you
been watching Robbaz on youtube?
L615[18:16:33] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
they... they did
L616[18:16:39] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari:
that too
L617[18:16:50] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: The
only, only thing I watch on YouTube is perhaps The Cinema
Snob.
L618[18:17:10] <JCB> Just the Saab
reference... and Robbaz did a Viggen or something in KSP with VR
mod
L619[18:17:16] <ve2dmn> I'm actually
allergic to Birch pollen, but I had cross-allergic reaction to
avocado
L620[18:17:29] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: I've
always liked the appearance of the Saab.
L621[18:17:47] <Scolar_Visari> Not the
cars, mind you, but the older delta winged planes.
L623[18:18:02] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: I
cannot be sure that the MiG-31 is clean of pollens.
L624[18:18:17] <Scolar_Visari> Again, this
is really something your local arms dealer should be discussing
with you in private.
L625[18:18:32] <ve2dmn> Basically, I
could, at any moment, develop an allergic reaction to ANY of this
long list of 40 things
L626[18:18:41] <JCB> Sorta fan of the
Beech 18 myself... A little of the Skyran, Tweeter... ok so blame
some models I found. c_C
L627[18:18:46] <Scolar_Visari> That list
should grow given the right viral infection.
L628[18:18:54] <JCB> skyran... skyray I
mean.. ugh
L629[18:19:03] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari:
meat?
L630[18:19:32] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
Depends. Care to become part of a human experiment involving
liberal amounts of gene therapy?
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L633[18:20:58] <Scolar_Visari>
"Spontaneous allergies among human test subjects via viral
injection and genetic manipulation. Abstract: Subject melted into a
chunky goo after injection of over five thousand types of
pathogens."
L634[18:20:58] <ve2dmn> with the right
tick, you become allergic to alpha gal, a sugar found in beef,
lamb, venison and pork.
L635[18:21:33] <Scolar_Visari>
"Discussion: Perhaps with better funding and a, uh, more
robust methodology, we may avoid premature deaths."
L636[18:22:25] <Scolar_Visari> Hey, funny
thought: If I add several control subjects, my proposed paper would
surpass the EmDrive in legitimacy!
L637[18:23:23] <ve2dmn> that's a very low
bar
L638[18:24:22] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: Not
adding any controls was even less forgivable than the failure to
quantify their sources of error, even if we're to assume they ran
out of money for purchasing a small copper cylinder.
L639[18:25:26] <JCB> Scolar_visari you
hear about the recent results from the EM drive?
L640[18:25:58] <Scolar_Visari> JCB:
Indeed. Nothing to hear about though.
L641[18:26:22] <JCB> Starting to find its
been pulling on Earth's magnetic field...
L642[18:27:28] <ve2dmn> JCB: that's good
news! It seems we can now just get rid of the stupid cavity and use
only the necessary component... miniaturization!
L643[18:28:08] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: I
don't think the recent Tajmar paper quantified sources of error,
either.
L644[18:28:18] <JCB> not quite. They
turned it around in the test stand a few different ways. Found out
it was pulling in the same direction regardless..
L645[18:28:48] *
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control being an unforgivable mistake.
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L647[18:29:30] <Scolar_Visari> Excuse me.
"Mistake" would imply that they just went,
"whoopsies, I failed to include that in my first draft!".
This is a bit more serious.
L648[18:30:49] <JCB> either way... the
idea of pushing or pulling on Earth's own field while in orbit,
does pose some interesting thoughts. Usually its been used for
orientation of spacecraft
L649[18:31:03] <Scolar_Visari> If a
differently shaped cavity would've registered as producing thrust,
that would've immediately invalidated the idea that the resonating
did anything.
L650[18:31:42] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: It's
certainly not a new idea, and I doubt the EmDrive is an ideal
approach to using magnetic fields. Dem tethers, on the other
hand.
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L652[18:32:32] <JCB> Speaking of tethers..
I remember NASA tried something, but more power generation. Though
other than the tether itself getting jammed, no idea what came of
the experiment
L653[18:32:40] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: the
point is to find out HOW it works, then it becomes an engineering
problem
L654[18:33:16] <ve2dmn> (including the
fact that it might simply not be worth it)
L655[18:33:46] <JCB> isn't the idea of the
EMDrive considered something of a reactionless system?
L656[18:34:21] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
*If* it worked at all is infinitely more important, and the papers
published thus far have all done squat for that because their
setups were awfully designed, and none of the, "how" it
works aspects are remotely plausible.
L657[18:34:48] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: The
creator tried arguing it was not reactionless, but that's also the
only way it'd really be anything other than a photon drive.
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L659[18:35:40] <GurrenLagannCWP>
Hey!
L660[18:36:54] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari:
until I know *how* it works, and it has been reproduce, it's still
just a fancy idea on a piece of paper with thin proof
L661[18:37:03] <JCB> The one test, where
they turned it different directions, far as I know, showed it
didn't so much work, rather it was reacting to the the planet's
field, or even test equipment
L662[18:37:19] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
Wha? If it doesn't work, why does how it works matter?
L663[18:37:40] <ve2dmn> If it doesn't
work, then it's science fiction
L664[18:37:48] <GurrenLagannCWP> rip my
chances of running principia
L665[18:37:55] <ve2dmn> because then,
there is no *how*
L666[18:38:12] <Scolar_Visari> That's what
I was saying, none of the publishing papers seemed to make any
serious effort to established if it worked at all or not because
they didn't account for sources of error or implement an obvious
control.
L667[18:38:12] <JCB> if it doesn't work,
at least we'll know that it actually doesn't work and why
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L669[18:38:57] <Scolar_Visari> The most
EagleWorks did was, "Well some of these things could be error
sources, but we're not actually going to investigate
them."
L670[18:39:24] <ve2dmn> Remind me of the
EME communication we discussed this morning. It works, but it's
next to useless compared to sats
L671[18:39:36] <GurrenLagannCWP> Oh my god
Ezriilc is here
L672[18:39:43] <GurrenLagannCWP>
WOOHOO
L673[18:39:47] <JCB> problem with testing
it, you dealing with such minuscule figures, just about anything
can mess it up.
L674[18:40:17] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: Not
nearly as simple as the Earth-Moon-Earth semaphore system.
L675[18:40:18] <JCB> OOoooo.. EME.. was
talking to friend about that yesterday too
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L677[18:40:58] <ve2dmn> You know what I'm
talking about! I feel less like an idiot :D
L678[18:41:06] <JCB> eh well.. they also
did floating reflective balloons as experiments too
L679[18:41:14] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: Yeah,
they really made no effort to try and eliminate those sources in
the end. It's just as well that the only other peer reviewed paper
was retracted after they accounted for a rather serious
error.
L680[18:41:52] *
Scolar_Visari notes that cosmonauts working for the Salyut program
did some work with observing man-sized targets from low
orbit.
L681[18:41:55] <JCB> Eh.. explore all
venues, find the ones that work. At least now we don't have to
repeat it.
L682[18:42:10] <Scolar_Visari> Low orbit
semaphore relay communication system!
L683[18:42:11] <GurrenLagannCWP> anyway
Ezriilc rarely chats on IRC
L684[18:42:22] <Scolar_Visari> Most people
on IRC don't do anything.
L685[18:42:29] <GurrenLagannCWP>
Yeah
L686[18:42:32] <Ezriilc> But I try to pay
attention whenever I can.
L687[18:42:42] <Scolar_Visari> They merely
sit there in dark space, awaiting the signal to begin their 50,000
year campaign of terror.
L688[18:42:50] <Ezriilc> And in fairness,
I'm always here, even if not chatting.
L689[18:42:59] *
GurrenLagannCWP gets hyped about a HyperEdit update
L690[18:42:59] <Ezriilc>
"always"
L691[18:43:25] <Scolar_Visari> Ezriilc:
Always here as in metaphorical or WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN HERE like
Ambassador Kosh in a very literal sense?
L692[18:43:30] <ve2dmn> All hail
Hyperedit!
L693[18:43:30] <Ezriilc> I hear ya, and
I'm also enthusiastic still, but other stuff... ya know.
L694[18:43:44] <GurrenLagannCWP> I got
SOME planet packs to work
L695[18:43:45] <JCB> Going to see about
heading up to the mountains this weekend with a friend, go test out
my 6 element 2 meter yagi I made with his radio.. see how far out
we can go
L696[18:44:01] <Scolar_Visari> Now now, I
know most of us are going to be playing the new Jurassic World game
and won't have time for IRC or KSP.
L697[18:44:12] <Ezriilc> ve2dmn, ty.
L698[18:44:24] <JCB> Meh.. movies. I'd
rather KSP
L699[18:44:29] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: Game,
not movie.
L700[18:44:42] <JCB> jurassic movie..
game.. still meh, I'd rather KSP :P
L701[18:44:56] <Scolar_Visari> It's like
Planet Coaster, but with dinosaurs.
L702[18:45:03] <Scolar_Visari> And Jeff
Goldblum.
L703[18:45:22] <JCB> oh.. that case, just
give me Zoo Tychoon, at least they have fennecs.
L704[18:45:23] *
Scolar_Visari would actually pay twice the vanilla cost if they
implemented anatomically correct dinosaurs.
L705[18:46:09] <Scolar_Visari> None of
this Hollywood stuff. I wanted feathers! FULL COATS OF FLIGHT
FEATHERS!
L707[18:49:42] <ve2dmn> To be honest, I
never used HyperEdit. It brings my confort to know that it's there
in case things go horribly wrong
L708[18:49:43] <JCB> Careful.. I hear high
winds can be a bit of a problem with coat of feathers :P
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L711[18:50:23] *
Scolar_Visari reads bad article which claims, "Deinonychus
Used its Hind Claws to Disembowel Prey". NO NO
NO.
L712[18:50:28] <Ezriilc> ve2dmn, That, and
testing are the biggest uses.
L713[18:51:07] <JCB> I'm just glad youtube
finally got a glitch on my account fixed..
L714[18:52:37] <Scolar_Visari> Wait . . .
"The go-to weapons in Velociraptor's arsenal were the single,
curved, three-inch-long claws on each of its hind feet, which it
used to slash, jab, and disembowel prey." No no no
again!
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L716[18:56:38] <Supercheese> The go-to
weapons were meditative thought, logical debate, and civilized
discourse for the Philosoraptor.
L717[18:57:09] <Scolar_Visari>
Supercheese: That's also a bit of a stereotype. Some employed name
calling to great effect, particularly against herbivores.
L718[18:58:26] <Scolar_Visari> The ad
dinosaurim was not created as an informal fallacy until a T-Rex
responded to an attack on his short arms (during a debate on impact
extinction events, no less) by eating his antagonist whole.
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L722[19:01:01] *
Scolar_Visari is amused that the Jurassic World Evolution site
dinopedia entry for the Pachycephalosaurus mentions an alternative
to the popular but scientifically debated practice of
headbutting.
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L724[19:02:37] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
L725[19:03:05] <Scolar_Visari> Supernovy:
Would you like to play a game today?
L726[19:05:11] <Azander> The only winning
move it not to play.
L727[19:07:35] *
Scolar_Visari moves first with a sudden strike by nuclear armed
bombers flying underneath Azander's radar with a followup strike by
SSBNs parked just off shore from their targets firing their
payloads on depressed trajectories.
L728[19:07:49] <Scolar_Visari> I ARE
WINNER!
L729[19:08:53] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: if
you ever played defcon, you know that scenario is really
unlikely
L730[19:09:33] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
DEFCON uses magick to make everything visible!
L732[19:10:12] <Scolar_Visari> Also: For a
time, particularly when the Soviet Union was reliant on R-7
derivatives, a first strike could've realistically wiped out their
entire strategic nuclear arsenal.
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L735[19:10:43] <GurrenLagannCWP> Ezriilc,
i'm thinking to mess around a bit more, now that i got
InterKalactic 2 to work
L736[19:10:45] <Scolar_Visari> Yeah, I
know, I think everything in the game (SSBNs and attack craft
included) were always visible.
L737[19:11:17] <ve2dmn> but not the
submarines or the silos
L738[19:11:19] <Ezriilc> Um...
ok...?
L739[19:11:44] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: In
practice, airplanes and surface vessels would be harder to detect
than video games in general seem to imply.
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L744[19:15:17] <Scolar_Visari> Though I
wouldn't be so sure on sending a Dragon V2 around the Moon or back
before one even launches into LEO.
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L749[19:22:29] *
Scolar_Visari ponders why the Kerbalized versions of SpaceX did not
opt to name the Dragon family of vehicles into the Kraken family of
vehicles.
L750[19:24:42] <UmbralRaptop>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L751[19:24:55] <GurrenLagannCWP> GTG
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L753[19:25:10] <UmbralRaptop>
Incidentally, the stock crafts now include something that looks
like a GSLV clone.
L754[19:28:01] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: Moar early von Braun clones plz.
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L757[19:29:43] <UmbralRaptop> Point.
L758[19:29:56] <UmbralRaptop> Also some
old style Mars landers?
L759[19:30:17] <UmbralRaptop> (though
Duna's atmosphere is way thinner than it used to be)
L760[19:30:48] <Scolar_Visari> Same with
Mars, from von Braun's perspective!
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L763[19:32:01] <Scolar_Visari> It actually
took some time to get the surface atmospheric pressure accurately
figured out, much to the detriment of von Braun's fascination with
gigantic wings.
L764[19:32:10] <Scolar_Visari> Blunt body
shapes for everyone!
L765[19:33:47] <Scolar_Visari> Amusingly,
however, the BFR concepts involve the use of puny wings.
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L770[19:37:52] <UmbralRaptop> There's a
suspiciously green patch in the background.
L771[19:38:17] <Scolar_Visari> This was
all published prior to Mariner 4.
L772[19:38:24] <Supernovy> I recently
managed to get my hands on an outline for a space mission where
they would put a small nuclear pulse ship on top of an uprated
Saturn V
L773[19:38:38] <Scolar_Visari> There was
still the hope that it'd be less Marsy than modern Mars.
L774[19:39:13] <Scolar_Visari> Supernovy:
I would think that would either require impossibly small pulse
units or very few pulse units.
L775[19:39:37] <Supernovy> 0.1 - 20
kt
L776[19:39:41] <Scolar_Visari> Unless
they're, like, magnetically compressed pulse detonation
thrusters.
L777[19:40:09] <Supernovy> yeah here we
go, published in '65
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L786[19:45:18] *
Scolar_Visari sees ft/sec.
L787[19:45:23] <Scolar_Visari> What kind
of heresy is this!?
L788[19:45:35] <Scolar_Visari> Feet?
POUNDS!?
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L790[19:46:07] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: the
dark ages
L791[19:46:15] <UmbralRaptop> Also, ion
engines for ?→♂?
L792[19:46:57] <Supernovy> It's USA
1965!
L793[19:47:47] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: yes, Stuhlinger was rather forward thinking at the
time. I think he mentioned the possibility of the transfer vehicles
being docked with en route by the crew return vehicles so personnel
would not spend so much time in deep space. The transfer vehicle
mostly handling life support and shipment of the Mars
ascent/descent vehicles.
L795[19:49:26] *
Scolar_Visari still shudders at the mechanical complexity of
nuclear warhead based pulse rockets.
L796[19:49:44] <Scolar_Visari> I imagine
having the magazine and pulse unit dispenser fail would be as bad
as having a dud.
L798[19:53:51] <Scolar_Visari> I have that
one here somewhere.
L800[19:55:35] <Supernovy> I remember
General Atomic referring to it as "external
combustion"
L801[19:55:46] <UmbralRaptop> … landing a
nuclear pulse vehicle?
L802[19:56:23] <Rokker> UmbralRaptop: my
pet dinosaur is dumb
L803[19:56:48] <UmbralRaptop> Is she
complaining about something?
L804[19:57:48] <ve2dmn> I know a 24h live
dinosaur webcam
L806[19:57:56] <kmath> YouTube - Faucons
UdeM - nichoir en direct
L807[19:58:06] <Supernovy> No, they have
separate excursion vehicles that look suspiciously similar to
Venture Stars.
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L809[19:59:15] <Scolar_Visari> Supernovy:
I would not have put it beyond them to land the entire thing.
L810[19:59:29] <Supernovy> recommended
radiation dose across the mission? 500 mSv.
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L812[20:00:15] <Rokker> UmbralRaptop: she
really hates my left hand
L813[20:00:55] <Scolar_Visari> Supernovy:
500 mSv so long as you're in front of the pusher plate.
L814[20:01:25] <Supernovy> As long as
you're in that 40,000 lb shelter.
L815[20:01:40] <UmbralRaptop> Didn't
Zubrin estimate about that much exposure for Mars Direct?
L816[20:02:12] <Supernovy> From space
radiation alone?
L817[20:02:14] <UmbralRaptop> Rokker:
acquire a glove for falconry?
L818[20:02:40] <UmbralRaptop> Yes.
(Solar+galactic cosmic rays mainly)
L819[20:02:44] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: For how many days, however? 1 Sv for 1,000 days is
rule of thumb at the moment.
L820[20:02:47] <Rokker> UmbralRaptop: but
its weird
L821[20:02:57] <Rokker> she will step up
onto my right hand just fine
L822[20:03:02] <Rokker> doesnt care at
all
L823[20:03:16] <Rokker> but if my left
hand comes near her, she gets angry
L824[20:04:06] <UmbralRaptop>
Scolar_Visari: Uh, something like 800?
L825[20:04:10] *
Scolar_Visari would be cautious of Zubrin's radiation estimates
given the last edition was published circa 2011.
L826[20:04:22] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: I'd think 500 mSv would be a bit of a low ball,
then.
L827[20:04:30] <UmbralRaptop> This is from
a 90s edition. >_>
L828[20:04:59] <UmbralRaptop> What is it,
158 days each way, 500 on the surface?
L829[20:06:11] *
Scolar_Visari would actually be cautious of anything Zubrin has
said in the last few years in general given his recent
excursions.
L831[20:11:33] <Scolar_Visari> Who needs
to break down payload masses, volumes and R&D costs when you
can say, "Just a few Falcon Heavy launches will
do"!?
L832[20:12:23] *
Scolar_Visari is also amused Zubrin wrote the article after SpaceX
already indicated manned launches were never going to be a thing
for the Falcon Heavy
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L838[20:38:31] *
Scolar_Visari ponders how long Huygens will last on
Titan.
L839[20:47:51] <Supernovy> Is it still
going?
L840[20:47:54] *
Scolar_Visari revels in satisfaction, having finally acquired the
Bretonnia regiments of renown.
L841[20:48:15] <Scolar_Visari> Supernovy:
No, its battery died not too long after setting down. I was
thinking how long it would last as a visible artificial
feature.
L842[20:48:28] <Supernovy> Ah.
L843[20:48:51] <Scolar_Visari> Like, how
would Titan's erosive forces and freakishly cold atmosphere effect
it?
L844[20:50:20] <Supernovy> Is it a very
dust-stormy place?
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L846[20:50:30] <UmbralRaptop>
Unclear.
L847[20:50:31] <Supernovy> What's the wind
like?
L848[20:50:51] *
UmbralRaptop had no idea. Lots of dunes, though.
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L850[20:51:08] *
Scolar_Visari notes Titan has an atmospheric density at surface
greater than that of Earth.
L851[20:51:09] <UmbralRaptop> Also, rain
is fairly rare, and shouldn't be that reactive?
L852[20:51:17] <Supernovy> 0 < wind
< infinity, then
L853[20:51:55] <Scolar_Visari> Supernovy:
The heat death might fix that all up.
L854[20:52:18] <UmbralRaptop> I'd say we
can safely set an upper bound of Neptune (400 m/s?)
L855[20:53:11] <Scolar_Visari> Neptunian
wind speeds can exceed 600 m/s!
L856[20:54:13] <Scolar_Visari> It's a cold
world. A blue world. A world hostile to all life as we know
it.
L857[20:56:12] <KrazyKrl> It's a mad mad
mad mad mad mad world?
L858[20:56:18] <UmbralRaptop> To be fair,
a lot of worlds are hostile.
L860[20:57:24] <kmath> YouTube - The
Chicken Heated Nuclear Land Mine (Oh yes, totally a real
thing)
L861[20:57:33] <Scolar_Visari> KrazyKrl:
All around us are uninhabitable planets, icey planets, desert
planets.
L862[20:57:46] <Supernovy> All around me
are familiar faces
L863[20:57:48] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: That's why we should be Building Better Worlds (and
preferably not worlds).
L864[20:58:32] *
UmbralRaptop stares at Weyland an Yutani.
L865[20:59:21] <Scolar_Visari> Moreover, I
find some much too massive, I find them far too cold, the planet on
which we're trapped on is the best we've ever had.
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