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L17[01:59:26] <JCB> aw.. no liver
streamers.. ponder..
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L19[02:00:28] <BadRocketsCo> o/
L20[02:00:33] <UmbralRaptor> livestream of
liver function
L21[02:00:36] <UmbralRaptor> \o
L22[02:00:44] <JCB> live streaming
ksp...
L23[02:00:48] <JCB> also hellos
L24[02:00:57] <JCB> blurp... OSB wants
update
L25[02:00:58] <BadRocketsCo> How're things
around these parts of the town? :P
L26[02:01:01] <Althego> but there was a
succesful long march launch not so long ago
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L28[02:08:56] <JCB> Umm.. derp... so KSP
loaded, but.. menu never showed up. Uh.. ok thats a new one for me.
*gives ksp the three finger salute and forces shutdown*
>_<
L29[02:09:54] <JCB> I'm going to go on a
limb here.. suspect OBS threw a proverbial wrench into the loading
somewhere when both were starting up
L30[02:10:19] <Althego> 3 finger
salute?
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L32[02:15:37] <UmbralRaptor> Ctrl Alt
Del
L33[02:16:18] <Althego> wikipedia said it
was some kind of serbian orthodox thing. or sicilian separatist
thing
L34[02:17:16] <UmbralRaptor> uh
L35[02:18:15] <Althego> i have never
encountered this phrase, but if it means reboot it is way down the
list
L36[02:18:25] <JCB> what Althego said...
old PC term.. I've been around a while
L37[02:19:20] <JCB> I could have given it
the one or two finger saluts... but doubt that would help me pc
wise. :P
L38[02:19:35] <Althego> i would have
understood the 1 finger one
L39[02:20:17] <JCB> oh.. n/m.. I managed to
blindly click the Quit...
L40[02:20:56] <JCB> looks like it was just
that first menu that decided to go invisible.. clicked back into
the game, somehow managed to hit continue.. it did that pan across,
other menu showed up
L41[02:21:10] <Althego> hehe
L42[02:21:15] <JCB> again.. I think OBS
messed things up when both were loading
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L44[02:48:36] <JCB> also sigh.. Manley and
some of his videos not posting...
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L46[02:58:30] <Eddi|zuHause> i would have
assumed a "liver stream" is something involving
alcohol
L47[02:59:50] <JCB> .... -face palms- live
stream... sorry, was just waking up again.
L48[03:00:08] <JCB> what I get for crashing
7pm.. only to wake up just before midnight
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L54[03:19:07] <Rokker> livest stream
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L61[03:59:28] <XXCoder> you missed
word
L62[03:59:59] <Althego> what
L63[04:01:14] <XXCoder> author acciently a
word
L64[04:01:41] <Althego> trust me, i never
word accidentlz, because i dont have ms office installed :)
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L66[04:03:24] <XXCoder> lol
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L70[04:21:57] <Althego> something
japansese
L71[04:22:04] <Althego> a piece of
rail
L72[04:22:17] <Althego> strange lines
L73[04:22:21] <Althego> what is this
L74[04:24:50] <GlassYuri> from the left,
section of overhead wire, a "this door doesn't open"
indicator from an old hibiya line train, a piece of rail, and a
piece used to connect traction motors
L75[04:26:33] <JCB> can see the carbon
deposits on the wire.. almost looks like a section of copper
pipe
L76[04:27:29] <JCB> also, interesting shape
to the rail. Any idea if this was local service or high
speed?
L77[04:27:37] <GlassYuri> JCB, that is
actually the top of the wire, the bottom is flat from
friction
L78[04:28:10] <JCB> alright... sort of hard
to tell either way, but thanks
L79[04:29:17] <JCB> I understand that
overhead wire is setup in a pattern, so that it plays back and
forth on the pickup head, preventing wear spots
L80[04:29:39] <JCB> ... well reducing I
should probably say instead
L82[04:31:43] <XXCoder> 2000 yen
L83[04:32:01] <JCB> ah got you... usually
when one says wire.. tend to think more round. I never really got a
good look at the size of overhead wire, even though my city uses
them for trolley buses
L84[04:32:41] <GlassYuri> JCB, the bottom
probably was round at some point
L85[04:32:53] <GlassYuri> although, why
make it round if it doesn't stay that way
L86[04:34:20] <JCB> I guessing the wear is
after years of service...
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L88[04:35:55] <GlassYuri> JCB, the thing
you should know about contact wires is that they have two notches
on the top, which the hangers grab into without contacting the
pantographs
L89[04:36:46] <JCB> rail line overhead wire
vs trolley bus wire...
L90[04:37:46] <JCB> thanks, its ok. Its
just I never seen rail line overhead wire up close before
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L93[04:42:08] <GlassYuri> JCB, trolley bus
wire is probably slightly different
L94[04:42:45] <Althego> this is going in a
weird direction. how wires are different
L95[04:42:47] <JCB> far as I know.. its
just copper wire... the pickup heads are different
L96[04:43:45] <JCB> Althego just came
across a vintage video on rocket propellant safety. They said
KSC... my mind went to the one in KSP game...
L97[04:43:53] <Althego> hehe
L98[04:44:26] <Althego> squad probably
intentionally chose that name for the space center exactly for this
reason
L99[04:44:27] <JCB> I see it before.. just
wasting time a little
L100[04:44:35] <JCB> I was thinking of
streaming a mun mission
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L110[06:00:23] <GlassYuri> so about that
door indicator I bought, I can't find anything about how to
correctly wire it up online, and I can't even measure a resistance
across the connector
L111[06:02:51] <GlassYuri> I took the
screws out but the back plate doesn't move
L112[06:03:13] <Althego> what is a door
indicator? signals door open?
L113[06:05:39] <GlassYuri> signals which
door *doesn't* open
L114[06:06:24] <GlassYuri> the hibiya line
used to have three doors per car per side, but some trains actually
had five on the first and last two cars
L115[06:06:38] <GlassYuri> these did not
open on all stations however
L116[06:07:01] <GlassYuri> past tense used
loosely because some of them are still in service for now
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L118[06:15:51] <GlassYuri> what do you
call screws which have a hole for another screw in their head,
because I just encountered four of them
L119[06:16:04] <Fluburtur>
inception?
L120[06:16:06] <Althego>
screwception
L121[06:16:10] <Althego> hehe
L122[06:16:46] <Althego> some screws have
holes for a wire to go through, that fixes them tightly
L123[06:17:09] <GlassYuri> I don't have
the tools to get them off so I'm done with this thing for now
L124[06:17:09] <Althego> but that is
mostly in aviation. maybe they exist in trains too
L125[06:19:46] <GlassYuri> I have two
resistors, two capacitors, two diodes and two columns of five eight
legged through hole components on the inaccessible side
L126[06:20:09] <GlassYuri> now on the
front there are two columns of two characters each
L127[06:20:32] <Althego> then google
it
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L129[06:21:33] <GlassYuri> I already
did
L130[06:22:12] <GlassYuri> closest I found
was someone saying that the other type works if you just plug it
into a 100v outlet
L131[06:22:40] <Althego> unusual
voltage
L132[06:23:20] <GlassYuri> even ignoring
the fact that I would kill myself messing with mains voltage, I do
not know if there is any difference between the two types
L133[06:23:50] <GlassYuri> (the other type
is horizontal, mounted above the doors inside the train, mine is
mounted outside)
L134[06:24:36] <GlassYuri> I mean it'd be
unusual if they were different but
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L138[06:35:13] <GlassYuri> here's a
picture where you can't see the component that's on the hidden
side, except for some shine through indicating that it's there
https://i.imgur.com/e59LJFx.jpg
L139[06:35:59] <GlassYuri> sorry bad pic,
traces on the lower half are almost invisible
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L157[07:54:08] <GlassFragments> ...can you
die from ingesting a sharp edged piece of cereal
L158[07:54:28] <Althego> probably
not
L159[07:55:23] <sandbox> I don't see why
not
L160[07:56:12] <Althego> you can die of
many things easily
L161[07:56:23] <Althego> this included.
would it happen? probably not
L162[07:58:13] <GlassFragments> Althego,
by that logic you could also answer the question "can you die
in a plane crash?" with "probably not because aviation
incidents rarely end in a crash"
L163[07:58:30] <Althego> which is all
true
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L166[08:15:35] <kmath> YouTube - tail
glitch
L167[08:16:31] <Althego> hehe
L168[08:16:45] <Althego> cant you fly
something above the island to see if the plane is still
there?
L169[08:17:32] <Fluburtur> well I have
nothing in flying conditions right now
L170[08:17:38] <Fluburtur> went to the
store and they have no foam
L171[08:17:46] <Fluburtur> and even then I
don't think I could see the plane
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L173[08:42:21] <APlayer> That's exactly
the kind of thing NASA would call a "glitch" in their
spacecraft
L174[08:42:48] <APlayer> "We've had a
minor fuel valve glitch, caused an explosion in the engine and loss
of the spacecraft" :P
L175[08:46:05] <Fluburtur> well helis are
as complicated and suicidal as rockets
L176[08:46:07] <Fluburtur> perhaps
more
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L179[09:27:32] <Fluburtur> uh all my
familly will be here soon exept the cousin that play drums
L180[09:27:39] <Fluburtur> how are we
supposed to do musioc then
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L188[10:21:53] <kubi> nice slippers
L189[10:29:27] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: tail
strike?
L190[10:29:45] <Fluburtur> not
initially
L191[10:29:45] <APlayer> It had a fly on
its tail and tries to shake it off
L192[10:29:57] <Fluburtur> servo went derp
and then it got a tail strike
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L194[10:30:22] <APlayer> Servo? Where does
it have a servo?
L196[10:31:13] <Mat2ch> APlayer: the tail
rotor needs a servo to control the pitch of the blades
L197[10:31:26] <APlayer> Oh, I see
L198[10:31:32] <APlayer> And what does
this affect?
L199[10:31:34] <Mat2ch> the main rotor has
one, too
L200[10:31:52] <Fluburtur> anti-couple
stuff
L201[10:31:55] <Fluburtur> ans yaw
L202[10:32:00] <Mat2ch> APlayer: the tail
rotor is there to compensate the yaw which is caused by the main
rotor
L204[10:32:17] <Mat2ch> see, if you turn
something in space one direction, you have to turn something
different in the other
L205[10:32:29] <Mat2ch> that's what's
happening to helicopters all the time
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L208[10:32:47] <APlayer> Yes, but that's
the tail rotor
L209[10:32:52] <Mat2ch> so you control the
pitch of the tail rotor blades to generate more or less movement to
compensate
L210[10:33:04] <APlayer> Why don't you
just control its speed?
L211[10:33:26] <Fluburtur> the tail rotor
is mechanically linked to the main rotor
L212[10:33:27] <Mat2ch> that would be
possible, but would need a second motor
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L214[10:33:36] <Mat2ch> also it might be
much slower
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L216[10:33:45] <Fluburtur> they are all
driven by a signle motor and keep a constant speed
L217[10:34:01] <Fluburtur> and changing
pitch is faster than changing speed
L218[10:34:10] <APlayer> Humm, I see
L219[10:34:23] <Fluburtur> I think the
tail rotor spins like 5x faster than the main rotor
L220[10:34:40] <APlayer> Though, you don't
need to change the tail rotor speed any faster than the main rotor
changes its speed
L221[10:34:49] <APlayer> Ah, then
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L229[11:07:49] <kmath> YouTube - Floating
an Anvil on Liquid Mercury
L230[11:08:04] <Fluburtur> not sure I have
enough
L231[11:11:53] <Althego> maybe with a tiny
anvil :)
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L235[11:38:52] <Rokker> so i was
thinking
L236[11:39:22] <Rokker> if the NB-36H ever
actually went into full testing
L237[11:40:01] <Rokker> you would have had
the first 3 mixed power aircraft that i can think of
L238[11:40:30] <Rokker> 4 conventional jet
engines, 6 piston powered props and 4 nuclear jet engines
L239[11:40:56] <Althego> no, 4. 4th being
the faith of the pilots :)
L241[11:46:36] <kmath> YouTube -
Waterfall
L242[11:46:42] <Althego> escher
power
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L252[13:05:00] <Rokker> Althego: the
museum has a waterfall too
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L255[13:16:54] <JCB> uff... wanna ksp but
too out of sorts. :\
L256[13:21:44] <UmbralRaptop> Mess around
with stuff in sandbox?
L257[13:22:24] <UmbralRaptop> (flight
between dessert airfield and woomerang?)
L258[13:23:00] <JCB> desert airfield in
latest version right?
L259[13:23:14] <Althego> i think only with
expansion
L260[13:23:49] <JCB> ya.. no have
that..
L261[13:24:57] <JCB> sorta started messing
in 1.3 though now I feel bad for having ditched a few career saves
in earlier versions that I really wanted to progress with
L262[13:25:39] <JCB> eventually.. I'll go
back, since I wanna record something of a neat little mun
mission
L263[13:25:54] <Althego> why not move the
whole save in the new version?
L264[13:26:41] <JCB> I wasn't sure if
they'd be compatible..
L265[13:26:57] <UmbralRaptop> If stock,
comparability is likely
L266[13:27:03] <Althego> practically
nothing has changed from 1.3 to 1.4
L267[13:27:18] <Althego> mods of course
are an issue
L268[13:27:22] <JCB> oh sorry, don't have
1.4, couple of missions were in 1.2.....
L269[13:28:12] <JCB> speaking of 1.4,
anyone have issues with fixed airplane landing struts?
L270[13:28:40] <JCB> struts.. gear...
those level 1, Cessna like landing gear.
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L272[13:31:44] <Althego> the diagonal
wheel things?
L273[13:31:47] <Althego> thsoe are
horrible :)
L274[13:34:49] <JCB> k... remembered they
didn't used to be so bad..
L275[13:35:02] <Althego> no, the were
pretty much always bad
L276[13:35:12] <JCB> did a plane 4-5tons,
flaps even. slowest I could touch down, stupid things still blows
up
L277[13:35:43] <JCB> I even doubled up on
landing them.. no such luck. sometimes even just one whole side
goes byebye
L278[13:36:23] <JCB> plane takes off ok...
just ended up with a drogue and parachute to land with.. ugh.
anyways
L279[13:36:44] <JCB> going to guess they
only really good for tiny drone planes
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L282[13:42:23] <Deddly> Haven't installed
anything from DVD for a while. Just realised that mine sounds like
some of the plane engines in KSP
L283[13:43:37] <JCB> I have DVD drive yet
to get installed for years here too.
L284[13:43:50] <Althego> haha dvd
L285[13:44:10] <JCB> ever since got
machine built for KSP... got lazy and just totally sucked into the
game.. forget anything else
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L289[13:58:54] <Althego> nice pictures,
but they still cant get this working
L290[13:59:19] <Althego> not bad from 2
metal covers, but not enough
L291[14:01:40] <JCB> lol.. just add a
little gas outboard.. drive it back to land
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L320[14:19:12] <Althego> must be a small
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L322[14:22:26] <transitbiker> bwoop
L323[14:22:33] <Fluburtur> bwoop
L324[14:22:49] <Althego> betty boop
L325[14:23:12] <transitbiker> in the
process of terminating redundant flights, and renaming ships to
better keep track of the ones that will remain
L326[14:23:51] <transitbiker> in general
i've been naming ones that need to be terminated "delete
me" to avoid confusion
L327[14:24:28] <transitbiker> 90 ore craft
to sift through x-x
L328[14:24:33] <transitbiker> more
L329[14:25:15] <JCB> transitbiker they
spread across different versions, or all in same one?
L330[14:25:43] <transitbiker> the older
mongoose probes are generally going to be retired, because they
lack the docking port sr that the space tugs are built around
L331[14:26:09] <transitbiker> they span
from 1.0.5 to 1.2.2
L332[14:26:53] <JCB> I've a few craft...
quite a few planes in the much older versions of the game.
L333[14:26:53] <transitbiker> those older
craft have already mostly been retired from flight and updated in
the editor
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L335[14:27:35] <JCB> you can sort of see
the age of the game itself through the parts used. Some updates
were good, though I wish they didn't keep changing the actual part
shape each time
L336[14:27:41] <Guest38928> Doesn't the
new EULA make Kerbal Space Program spyware?
L337[14:27:50] <transitbiker> yeah, SPH is
difficult because some of the planes ive flown around kerbin but
then i gotta terminate/recover leaving no evidence that it ever
took place
L338[14:27:59] <transitbiker> i dont use
1.3
L339[14:28:07] <transitbiker> likely never
will
L340[14:28:09] <JCB> uh...?
L341[14:28:14] <JCB> whats wrong with 1.3
now?
L342[14:28:21] <Gasher> no, someone just
for once read into the usual EULA taht apps have nowadays
Guest38928
L343[14:28:25] <jgkamat> the microsoft
EULA is worse from what I can tell
L344[14:28:37] <jgkamat> so if you use ksp
on windows you're already out of luck
L345[14:28:52] <Althego> hehe
L346[14:28:57] <JCB> huh?
L347[14:28:58] <transitbiker> everything
you build in 1.3 onward is technically not "yours" which
i find both offensive and legally dubious
L348[14:29:11] <Deddly> Hi
Guest38928
L349[14:29:14] <Althego> heh not this
idiocy again
L350[14:29:19] <Gasher> ^
L351[14:29:21] <Deddly> Guest38928, no, it
doesn't
L352[14:29:26] <Althego> why do they come
up with these schemes
L353[14:29:40] <Guest38928> That probably
has something to do with recent arguments about allowing mods to be
paid for
L354[14:29:40] <Gasher> maybe it keeps
them entertained
L355[14:30:05] <JCB> oh.. geh..
L356[14:30:06] <Guest38928> KSP probably
wants to keep their community free
L357[14:30:17] <transitbiker> i've read
the new agreement on the forum, and thats the language... yo post
it, build it, message it on their platforms and its no longer
"yours"
L358[14:30:33] <Guest38928> Bye
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L360[14:30:44] <transitbiker> it spans the
entire thing, game, forum, this channel, all of it
L361[14:30:58] <Althego> this channel is
hardly theirs
L362[14:31:06] <JCB> isnt' hte whole idea
to build and share with others?
L363[14:31:12] <Althego> they dont
maintain the server or the channel at all
L364[14:31:17] <transitbiker> that's why i
do not post on the forum any longer
L365[14:31:22] <Deddly> Guest38928, the
EULA is a mess because it's basically a copy/paste from other
games, but that doesn't make KSP spyware, and it doesn't mean bad
things are going to happen. There has been a lot of
scaremongering
L366[14:31:41] <JCB> Deddly oops.. guesty
already poofy
L367[14:31:42] <Althego> he wquit
L368[14:31:47] <Deddly> yeah
L369[14:32:15] <Deddly> transitbiker,
that's just legalese to allow them to host your text
L370[14:32:21] <JCB> don't suppose any of
you seen Adam Savage's sermon from the latest maker's fair on
creating things?
L371[14:32:33] <Althego> i didnt watch
it
L372[14:32:35] <Althego> normally i
do
L373[14:32:40] <Althego> but it was only 4
minyes
L374[14:32:44] <Althego> minutes
L375[14:32:44] <jgkamat> transitbiker: it
dosen't change ownership, you are giving them a license, which they
need anyway
L376[14:32:48] <transitbiker> its not
spyware, no, but when a legal document says things you contribute
are no longer your own, that is where i personally draw the line...
like... i'm not getting paid to contribute, or i'd maybe feel
differently
L377[14:32:58] <Deddly> transitbiker, if
you post text, yeah the EULA technically allows them to copy what
you write and sell it as a book. But it's not likely to
happen
L378[14:33:01] <jgkamat> if you upload
your code to github, they obviously need a license to host the
code
L379[14:33:15] <Althego> so when does it
becomes theirs?
L380[14:33:20] <Althego> when you create
it in the editor?
L381[14:33:24] <JCB> sorta why I've been
reluctant to get on steam... you don't pay for the game, you pay
for the rights to have access to it... :\
L382[14:33:45] <Althego> yes, this is what
i hate, tyou dont own the thing you bought
L383[14:33:48] <JCB> then again... I sort
of prefer a more physical copy, maybe I'm oldschool
L384[14:33:59] <Deddly> JCB, on DVD!
L385[14:34:04] <Althego> the people who
come up with these... worse than anything
L386[14:34:13] <transitbiker> i know ksp
is just a game, but it provides me with an important creative
outlet that i can't get elsewhere, so my creations stay on my side
of the screen till i get paid or till they change the text in the
document
L387[14:34:17] <JCB> remember some time
ago, people were pulling games off your pc through steam, didn't
even need a reason for it
L388[14:34:49] <Deddly> transitbiker, did
you ever read an EULA for another game forum?
L389[14:34:50] <JCB> I don't mind
sharing... just sorta nervous when it comes to makign videos
L390[14:34:54] <jgkamat> transitbiker: you
still have ownership of your creations so you can still
sell/share/post them everywhere
L391[14:34:59] <jgkamat> like actually
read the section
L393[14:35:27] <transitbiker> i post my
stuff to kerbalx, but do not expect the craft files to be linked on
the forums
L394[14:35:42] <Althego> i host them
myself
L395[14:35:56] <Deddly> transitbiker, a
link to the forums does not make the file come under the EULA
L396[14:35:58] <Althego> that is why i
asked when it becomes theirs
L397[14:36:05] <JCB> I would love to do a
'how to' build guide... then again, kind of harks from days of lego
stuff
L398[14:36:35] <Althego> how to build a
what?
L399[14:36:36] <Deddly> transitbiker, they
only "own" what they actually host. And since they don't
allow file uploads, that means all mods and craft files are
unaffected
L400[14:36:53] <jgkamat> they don't even
own it, you're just giving them a license to use it for
anything
L401[14:37:19] <Deddly> Right
L402[14:37:32] <transitbiker> in tis era
of data breaches, over-reaching EULA's and sue-happy legal teams,
i'm happy waiting till KSP is passed on to a less boiler-plate-ish
company that seems more interested in making money than making
money while respecting the end users
L403[14:37:42] <transitbiker> ok yea but i
dont want them to have access
L404[14:37:48] <transitbiker> thats my
argument
L405[14:37:52] <Deddly> And the only use
they have for that license is to e.g. transfer the text you wrote
to a new server or accidentally lose it in a forum migration
without getting sued
L406[14:37:56] <jgkamat> transitbiker: how
can they host the forum without having access to what's on the
forum
L407[14:38:12] <transitbiker> right, im
not posting to the forum, so problem solved
L408[14:38:26] <transitbiker> they dont
need to ask my permission to host things i do not post
L409[14:38:40] <jgkamat> I mean, you have
the same exact problem with kerbalx too
L410[14:38:44] <jgkamat> they need a
license to host your stuff as well
L411[14:39:14] <JCB> rahter than, 'oh look
at this thing I made, showing it off in a mission' more a how to
guide? Sort of like when Lego did those idea books.
L412[14:39:35] <transitbiker> their ELUA
is like a page long and is standard "buyer beware" common
sense stuff like dont upload a craft file that may damage someone's
game files etc
L413[14:40:43] <transitbiker> ya go read
it
L414[14:40:53] <transitbiker> i wish more
companies could figure it out
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L416[14:41:20] <Althego> hehe no way i am
wasting any time on that eula
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L418[14:41:23] <jgkamat> I would argue
that's worse, they aren't putting limits (or even explaining) on
what they can do with the files you upload
L419[14:41:46] <jgkamat> (it also 500
errors for me :C)
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L421[14:42:33] <transitbiker> kerbalx is
simply a warehouse for craft files, the owner has stated such
L422[14:42:57] <transitbiker> kinda like
the warehouse in indiana jones movies i suppose
L423[14:43:11] <jgkamat> transitbiker: the
only way to keep your files "yours" by your def at least,
is to host them yourself, if you let anyone else host them, they
obviously need a license to host it
L424[14:43:39] <transitbiker> i think we
are talking past each other here a bit
L425[14:44:28] <JCB> meh.. if I ever get
around to posting videos of what I do in KSP.. someone ask's if
they can try a craft, I may just email directly
L426[14:44:36] <transitbiker> kerbalx does
not claim to need my permission to host my craft files, me
uploading it is agreement enough for them, and i'm ok with
that
L427[14:44:39] <Deddly> I did say the EULA
is a mess. But it doesn't give them control over your stuff.
L428[14:45:03] <transitbiker> i guess im
just acting protectively
L429[14:45:16] <transitbiker> i dont like
the wording, so i didnt agree
L430[14:45:33] <JCB> I did a pretty neat,
simple twin engine super sonic plane, half tempted to submit it to
that Fighter Jet showdown a certain youtuber does. I just never got
into the weapons mod
L431[14:46:57] <transitbiker> well, have
you ever considered a "build this craft" challenge on
youtube? you show a craft built and you explain what part packs you
used (if any) and challenge viewers to come up with a solution of
their own
L432[14:47:28] <JCB> lol... asymmetrical
planes...
L433[14:47:35] <JCB> can only use each
part once
L434[14:47:41] <transitbiker> i have two
of those
L435[14:48:31] <JCB> I did something of a
weird plane... its got a main wing, boom on each side. One has
cockpit, other Mk1 crew cabin. engine in middle of wing. Not
exactly 'one part each' not entirely asymmetrical.
L436[14:49:06] <transitbiker> the
roll/pitch coupling is still odd on both because of uneven overall
lift capability of the parts... add a control surface to roll, but
you also add lift... quite the puzzle
L437[14:49:23] <JCB> someone complained,
'your cockpit is way off to the one side, it'll cause your plane to
spin around it, not hte middle of the plane.' Actually, its based
on where center of mass is.
L438[14:50:44] <JCB> actually.. the wing
flies ok.. I just balanced with ballast on one side. It does have a
slight bit of control imbalance, but its not a flight killer.
Planes IRL already have a lot of quirks that are far worse than
what you used to in KSP
L439[14:50:45] <transitbiker> in some
games you can set the view to focus on the cockpit, in ksp you can
use the alt click menu to focus view, but yeah, its fun to watch it
rotate around nothing and the cockpit off to one side
L440[14:51:26] <JCB> I did a roll..
centered around the engine. :P
L441[14:51:27] <Althego> b-wing?
L442[14:51:56] <transitbiker> the ones i
have built are more of a "b-wing" where the center of
mass is in an air void but it kinda twists so it rotates closer to
the cockpit, again the roll/pitch issue
L443[14:52:37] <transitbiker> a real b
wing in ksp is nearly impossible without some mods and cheating a
bit
L444[14:52:47] <Althego> yes the moving
parts
L445[14:52:47] <transitbiker> see related
scott manley vid
L446[14:53:27] <Althego> long ago
L447[14:53:39] <Althego> (in a galaxy far
away)
L448[14:53:41] <transitbiker>
repulsorlifts are not a thing in ksp, so you're stuck with
thrusting fuel using engines, and listing surfaces that are
hidden
L449[14:53:48] <transitbiker>
lifting*
L450[14:54:43] <JCB> heh.. starwars... I
just usually go with my own thing
L451[14:54:49] <transitbiker> ok now i
want to build a box frame aircraft that has a central open cargo
area
L452[14:55:07] <Althego> i just cant copy
existing designs
L453[14:55:24] <transitbiker> when i try
to copy i always end up changing it
L454[14:55:47] <Althego> i always wanted
to build a millenium falcon
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L456[14:56:05] <transitbiker> very part
heavy
L457[14:56:05] <Althego> but making it
also work is jsut hard
L458[14:57:08] <JCB> I've wanted to do my
own custom parts... help with parts count
L459[14:57:25] <Althego> part count is not
really an issue anymore
L460[14:57:48] <JCB> one of the
experiments I did in early ksp version was making a version of the
rockomax adulator into a sort of service module.
L461[14:58:23] <JCB> I mean.. its a
structural part with all that empty space...
L462[14:58:40] <Althego> adulator?
L463[14:58:55] <JCB> fff... adaptor
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L465[14:59:17] <JCB> that cone shaped
structual part
L466[14:59:39] <Althego> strangely
adulator seems to be a valid word
L467[15:00:07] <Althego> adulate: to show
excessive admiration or devotion to; flatter or admire
servilely.
L468[15:00:08] <JCB> ok.. maybe why I
didn't see the 'misspelled' underline
L469[15:00:22] <JCB> lol.. ok
L470[15:00:26] <Althego> i always used
hollow parts to hide things
L471[15:00:45] <Althego> probably doesnt
hide them from the physics, but at least they are not visible when
they shouldnt be
L472[15:01:14] <Althego> and with the
current decouplers i lost one of the big empty spaces
L473[15:01:16] <JCB> guess some cases I
could just use the service bay... at least its doors if I
want
L474[15:02:06] <Althego> that is extra
mass
L475[15:02:06] <JCB> just shame the mk1
fuselage structure part is only one size of length.
L476[15:02:28] <Althego> but there was
something more flexible
L477[15:02:37] <Althego> oh wait that is
probably expansion only
L478[15:02:43] <Althego> you could set the
legth
L479[15:02:50] <JCB> fairings?
L480[15:03:43] <JCB> way I figure it..
structural going to be fixed mass anyways, then you add things in
side if you want.
L481[15:04:28] <transitbiker> french
country-western on a celtic music channel...
L482[15:04:35] <transitbiker> sure why not
x-x
L483[15:08:33] <transitbiker> lets see if
i fixed the catamaran first
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L485[15:11:05] <transitbiker> looks like i
fixed it
L486[15:11:46] <Althego> i wish there was
a real water simulation
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L488[15:12:09] <Althego> these are not the
droids you are looking for
L494[15:17:06] <transitbiker> nice
L495[15:17:24] <JCB> had version with dual
engines but that was just too much :P
L496[15:17:49] <JCB> couple of I-beams on
the one side helped with balance a bit
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L501[15:24:58] <Althego> nice, but what is
al ok?
L502[15:25:56] <JCB> Nice
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L504[15:31:48] <UmbralRaptop> Proposed
lunar Союз, IIRC.
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L507[15:42:42] <APlayer> LOK is the
Russian LM, approximately
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L528[18:19:39] <schnobs> Making a Jool-5
video is hard.
L529[18:20:17] <schnobs> It's not as if
the plot would lend itself to suprising twists...
L530[18:20:37] <schnobs> Tylo or Laythe
first? Oh the suspense!
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L533[18:24:44] <kmath> YouTube - Spinning
a Record to Pieces at 12,500fps - The Slow Mo Guys
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L536[18:31:59] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
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L544[19:23:01] <darsie> With this
rocket
L545[19:23:21] <darsie> 6 tourists and a
pilot.
L546[19:26:21] <darsie> No EVAs allowed
for the passengers.
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L562[21:25:31] <LordFerret> greetz. anyone
else having problems logging in to the forums?
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L564[21:31:08] <LordFerret> i guess
not.
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L642[23:15:10] <JCB> hmm... curious
booster design..
L643[23:17:04] <JCB> pair of side engines,
center booster rocket with fins. half way up, drops the center,
keeps acceleration from going up too fast..
L644[23:19:18] <JCB> wanted to go with the
spark engine for the station propulsion, but doesn't seem to have
enough strength during launch. rocket ends up doing that bendy
thing. Ended up using the Terrier..
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