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L5[00:34:25] <Eddi|zuHause> taniwha: it's
disney, do they do anything that is NOT
"commercial"?
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L13[01:27:59] <Rokker> Eddi|zuHause: im
sad. the initial speculation was that it would be an obi wan
movie
L14[01:28:08] <Rokker> y'know an actual
major character
L15[01:28:18] <Rokker> not some side
character that people love for no reason
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L18[01:33:46] <Althego> what is this
about?
L19[01:34:14] <Althego> would be
interesting to see what happened to obi wan between the 2
trilogies
L20[01:34:27] <Althego> or not, he tried to
hide
L21[01:36:16] <TheKosmonaut> Rokker: HOW
DARE YOU
L22[01:36:33] <TheKosmonaut> Boba Fett
survived the Sarlacc pit, a feat accomplished by nobody else
L23[01:36:36] <TheKosmonaut> not even a
Jedi
L24[01:37:01] <Althego> in robot chicken at
least
L25[01:37:15] <Althego> dont know about the
real lore
L26[01:38:09] <Althego> but if this is
about sidney star wars movies, with the last jedi i gave up on the
frenchise
L27[01:38:25] <Althego> i have no intention
to suport them going down this road
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L29[01:39:07] <TheKosmonaut> Althego: You
mean to say, they're going down a path that you cannot
follow?
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L32[01:43:38] <Rokker> boba fett died and
im glad he did
L33[01:46:56] <Althego> i mean they are
destroying star wars
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L35[01:47:31] <Althego> we thoght the
prequel trilogies were bad. they are nowhere near as bad as the
disney movies
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L39[02:02:02] <Rokker> Althego: i wholly
disagree
L40[02:02:06] <Rokker> very much so
L41[02:02:23] <Rokker> star wars is better
than it ever was when lucas' grubby little hands were on it
L43[02:10:25] <kmath> <pbdes>
"...collision likelihood in GEO is as much as 4 orders of
magnitude higher than previously published by other resea…
https://t.co/PIY6ibPvBf
L44[02:10:33] <Rokker> jesu cristo
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L59[03:46:28] <Mat2ch> So, you all heard
about Tajmar's latest paper about the EM drive and that it doesn't
work? Well, some experts on EM drives hold against it that Tajmar
didn't have a working EM drive at all
L60[03:47:59] <Rokker> Mat2ch: orrrrr
L61[03:48:07] <Rokker> Mat2ch: EM drive
doesnt work at all
L63[03:49:31] <kmath> <FxPhilW>
@Franck_McBecker @VAXHeadroom @fcain @Redshift42 @arstechnica Paul
March (head EW engineer) did a scan of the cavit…
https://t.co/XWrQbYo5tW
L64[03:49:53] <Mat2ch> Rokker: then tell me
why Eagleworks did see something
L65[03:50:59] <Mat2ch> something that was
50 times greater than Tajmar
L66[03:55:02] <Rokker> Mat2ch: because
eagleworks needs to try to justify their existence
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L68[03:57:35] <Rokker> Mat2ch: might i
remind you that up til that point Eagleworks most notable thing was
a highly conceptual interstellar warp ship
L69[03:57:42] <Rokker> fan art of it at
that
L70[03:58:22] <Rokker> now im not saying
anything, but i wouldnt be surprised if they are seeing the numbers
they want and not the mistakes
L71[04:02:57] <KrazyKrl> Suprising very
few... it turns out that not being able to put megawatts into
practically a broadcaster tends to be a poor source of
thrust.
L72[04:14:09] <GlassYuri> so my new phone
screen seems to finally arrive this evening, and I absolutely need
my phone tomorrow, so now I'm wondering if it's better to install
it right away or to not mess with the phone
L73[04:14:44] <Mat2ch> KrazyKrl: The real
question is: If it works, why does it work. If we know the why, we
might be able to amplify it
L74[04:15:43] <KrazyKrl> Well... there's
this thing called reaction mass and this guy named einstien that
postulated this other thing...
L75[04:16:29] <KrazyKrl> turns out you need
lots of energy to get any reasonable force.
L76[04:16:36] <Mat2ch> well, Einstein
couldn't figure out parts of quantum physics
L77[04:17:44] <Triffid_Hunter_> Mat2ch:
mostly because he didn't want to for religious reasons
L78[04:19:34] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut: so ive
been doing some thinking
L79[04:20:43] <Rokker> Mat2ch: thats not so
bad when you realize Tesla didnt believe in the electron
L80[04:21:36] <KrazyKrl> I mean... even now
it's a "best guess"
L81[04:21:38] <Rokker> Einstein might not
have been able to figure out some quantum mechanics but he still
knew what he was talking about
L82[04:21:51] <Rokker> KrazyKrl: what,
electrons?
L83[04:22:50] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut:
oi
L84[04:22:52] <Gasher[work]> lol. science
is no more than "best guess" anyway
L85[04:24:11] <Rokker> im so tired of that
mindset
L86[04:24:17] <Rokker> is it technically
true, sure
L87[04:24:18] <GlassYuri> gravity is only a
best guess. it could be an omnipotent invisible cat throwing
everything off the edge for all we know.
L88[04:24:27] <KrazyKrl> It's all voodoo
clouds.
L89[04:24:30] <Rokker> but if those best
guesses werent true, then most of our crap wouldnt work
L90[04:24:31] <KrazyKrl> And magnets.
L91[04:24:34] <Rokker> so shove it
L92[04:24:58] <KrazyKrl> Why's Earth?
Magnets.
L93[04:25:46] <GlassYuri> KrazyKrl, then
how do polar bears and penguin go to the right pole without having
a sense of magnetism
L94[04:25:56] <GlassYuri> checkmate,
magnetists
L95[04:26:04] <KrazyKrl> Because of the
monkey thing.
L96[04:26:05] <Gasher[work]> Rokker, yeah
it's kinda implied that these best guesses were made by people who
are both smarter and more knowledgeable by those who use the
results of their work
L97[04:26:07] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut:
OI
L98[04:26:16] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut: IVE
BEEN DOING SOME THINKING
L99[04:26:30] <Rokker> where is he
L100[04:30:18] <KrazyKrl> Maybe cutting
stick figures out of generic sliced ham, and recreating the German
advance through Belgium.
L101[04:30:47] <KrazyKrl> I mean... that's
totally not my weekend plans or anything.
L102[04:32:23] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut: quit
having a life
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L104[04:44:19] <Althego> all scientific
theories are the current best guesses
L105[04:45:24] <KrazyKrl> most accurate
guesses*
L106[04:45:29] <Althego> the difference is
that they tried as hard as they could to show they dont work
L107[04:45:34] <Althego> and they failed
to do that
L108[05:03:44] <Eddi|zuHause>
<KrazyKrl> [...] and recreating the German advance through
Belgium. <-- in real time? wasn't that like 18 days or so?
L109[05:17:22] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut:
fdfdshfsd
L110[05:18:07] <Eddi|zuHause> is that
english?
L111[05:19:51] <Gasher[work]> it's a
rokkerism
L112[05:29:18] <Althego> hehe
L113[05:29:33] <GlassYuri> Rokker, damn,
now I have something to tell him too
L114[05:30:06] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut:
where are you, i want to complain about the Battlefield V
trailer
L115[05:30:48] <GlassYuri> have you ever
had a deliveryman ring your doorbell just for them to notice that
they didn't bring the package
L116[05:31:26] <GlassYuri> "is this
you?" "...yes" apologizes and runs back to van
L117[05:31:41] <Rokker> lolwut
L118[05:31:50] <Rokker> must be new
L119[05:32:14] <Althego> hehe
L120[05:33:54] <GlassYuri> Rokker, I'm not
actually sure if I heard a van, there was other traffic as well.
there's a rumour that yamato assigns people who screw up to
bicycles
L121[05:34:41] <Althego> or you must have
been a scary gaijin
L122[05:35:25] <GlassYuri> and delivery
drivers appear to be overworked pretty badly, can't blame them for
a mistake like that
L123[05:36:30] <Eddi|zuHause>
<Althego> or you must have been a scary gaijin <-- they
all look alike?
L124[05:36:53] <Althego> maybe, i dont
know
L125[05:37:36] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut: god
dammit I wanna complain about BF V to you so i can go to bed
L126[05:38:01] <Althego> complain with
highlight and he can rad back later
L127[05:38:05] <Althego> read
L128[05:38:16] <Eddi|zuHause> (that's
actually not a racist stereotype, it's that your brain is not
trained with "foreign" faces from a very early age on, so
their defining features are more difficult to learn)
L129[05:38:26] <GlassYuri> ...they
packaged this up so well that the packaging smashed the smaller
packages inside
L130[05:38:37] <Eddi|zuHause> (it's
basically like learning a foreign language)
L131[05:39:23] <Althego> i can imagine
that. but i was talking about the fact that he is not japanese can
cause problems for some people
L132[05:40:05] <Althego> insecurities,
what if he doesnt speak japanese, have to use english, better not
talk to him
L133[05:40:49] <GlassYuri> Althego, he
actually said he forgot the package when he started running
L134[05:42:10] <Rokker> Althego: it's so
bad
L135[05:42:18] <Rokker> why
battlefield
L136[05:42:19] <Rokker> why
L137[05:42:25] <Rokker> you were the
chosen one
L138[05:42:39] <GlassYuri> I've gotta say
whoever packaged this originally knew that it would get smashed by
shipping
L139[05:42:40] <Althego> dont complain to
me. i didnt make it and never cared for the series
L140[05:42:49] <Rokker> you were supposed
to bring balance to historical FPSs not destroy them
L141[05:42:54] <Althego> lol
L142[05:43:07] <Althego> you were the
chosen one
L143[05:43:47] <Althego> historical fps
should be swords and arrows
L144[05:43:58] <Althego> because that was
the weponry for thousands of years
L145[05:44:05] <Rokker> >shooter
L146[05:44:08] <Rokker> >swords
L147[05:44:18] <GlassYuri> Althego,
firearms have been around for a while as well
L148[05:44:24] *
Rokker stares at Althego
L149[05:44:29] <Althego> but coparatively
short time
L150[05:44:35] <Althego> you can shoot
arrows
L151[05:44:38] <Rokker> first person
SHOOTERS
L152[05:44:41] <Rokker> SWORDS
L153[05:44:47] <Althego> but since it is
not viable fro mclose range you have to have some other
weapon
L154[05:44:51] <Rokker> 2+2=5?
L155[05:45:51] <Eddi|zuHause> you can
still throw swords?
L156[05:46:05] <Rokker> also implying ww1
and ww2 aren't history
L157[05:46:27] <Eddi|zuHause> maybe
they're a conspiracy theory?
L158[05:46:36] <Althego> i just said they
are a small part of history. all the other parts are not
covered
L159[05:47:01] <Rokker> strategy games are
better for older history
L160[05:47:11] <GlassYuri> Rokker,
"we didn't think the target audience would know there was a
world war one" -EA exec
L161[05:47:17] <Althego> lol
L162[05:47:18] <Rokker> also possibly a
finely tuned historic mount and blade
L163[05:47:22] <Eddi|zuHause> all of EU4
happens in history not containing WWI or WWII
L164[05:47:32] <Rokker> GlassYuri: the way
they handled ww1 was cancer
L165[05:47:41] <Althego> but yet somehow
people are fine with fantasy based things where you are in a first
person view with swords and arrows
L166[05:47:46] <Rokker> disgusting
guns
L167[05:48:02] <Rokker> too
unrealistic
L168[05:48:23] <Rokker> Althego: right but
those aren't grand battles
L169[05:50:16] <GlassYuri> so today I
learned, after the zombie apocalypse dies down, try to get to a
chinese online shopping warehouse
L170[05:50:34] <Eddi|zuHause> those are
HUUUUUGE
L171[05:50:38] <GlassYuri> they're so
paranoid about shipping damage that most stuff in there will
survive a direct bomb blast
L172[05:50:45] <Althego> hehe
L173[05:50:54] <Althego> unnecessary,
zombies dont do that
L174[05:51:02] <Eddi|zuHause> well, i
imagine everything in China is actually HUUUGE
L175[05:51:22] <Rokker> yeah, your
standard sheet metal hangar will do just fine
L176[05:51:28] <Eddi|zuHause> downside is:
china will have a lot of zombies
L177[05:51:35] <Althego> hehe
L178[05:51:38] <Althego> in some
parts
L179[05:51:53] <Rolf> heh the most dense
city of all would be so full of zombies
L180[05:51:55] <Althego> the peopulation
is not evenly distributed
L181[05:51:56] <Eddi|zuHause> er, the
parts that also have the huge warehouses :p
L182[05:52:22] <Rokker> air force plant 4
best choice
L183[05:52:24] <Rolf> india would be one
of worse places for post-zombie living
L184[05:52:30] <Rokker> mile long
factory
L185[05:52:32] <Rokker> mmmm
L186[05:52:35] <Rokker> plane parts
L187[05:52:39] <Rokker> mmmm
L188[05:52:48] <Rokker> guns
L189[05:52:49] <Rokker> mmmm
L190[05:53:00] <Eddi|zuHause> i imagine
the best place would be some central asian steppe country
L191[05:53:14] <Eddi|zuHause> Kasachstan
and the like
L192[05:53:26] <Althego> they wouldnt even
get infected in the first place
L193[05:53:33] <GlassYuri> Rokker, a near
infinite amount of consumer goods would be pretty useful
though
L194[05:53:34] <Althego> unless it infects
animals too
L195[05:54:01] <Eddi|zuHause> they also
probably wouldn't embrace a "refugees welcome"
philosophy
L196[05:54:03] <Rokker> GlassYuri: ok,
sure, maybe
L197[05:54:12] <Rokker> BUT
L198[05:54:28] <Rokker> GlassYuri: plant 4
has more than enough food
L199[05:54:50] <Rokker> not to mention a
lot of bikes for transport to the local grocery stores
L200[05:55:40] <GlassYuri> Rokker, I
promise that if it remains possible for us to stay in touch after a
zombie apocalypse, I will dig up random stuff worth a plane and
trade it for a plane with you
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L203[05:57:07] <GlassYuri> ...so I worried
about having to deal with instructions written in chinese, but it
turns out, there are no instructions
L204[05:57:37] <GlassYuri> well, n written
ones, but some pictures and diagrams
L205[05:59:01] <GlassYuri> the forwarding
company gave me so much trouble because there was some glue in one
package which they refused to ship, but turns out there was glue in
another package as well which they just didn't notice
L206[06:00:46] <Rokker> GlassYuri: the
plant currently makes F-35s, but they have C-130s on base as
well
L207[06:00:53] <Rokker> and a 737
apparently
L208[06:00:59] <GlassYuri> so my china
fetish (TheKosmonaut's words) officially endangers aviation, I'm so
proud of myself
L209[06:01:39] <GlassYuri> Rokker, F-35
would probably be of limited value to me
L210[06:03:05] <Rokker> GlassYuri: no
strafing runs on zombies?
L211[06:03:13] <GlassYuri> C-130 could
work, assuming the chuo line goes out of service
L212[06:04:10] <GlassYuri> Rokker, if my
friends and me are in a situation where we can affort to operate an
F-35 we probably don't have much to worry about
L213[06:04:16] <Rokker> Also DFW is
nearbish
L214[06:04:17] <GlassYuri> *afford
L215[06:04:28] <Rokker> so I could fly to
there and grab a plane
L216[06:04:40] <Althego> why do you ned a
c-130?
L217[06:04:51] <Rokker> Althego: none of
your business
L218[06:05:13] <GlassYuri> if the chuo
line goes out of service it could likely be used as a C-130
runway
L219[06:05:34] <Althego> in case of a
zombie apocalypse i would go with russian planes, they canusually
land on grass runways and generally more enduring
L220[06:05:51] <Rokker> ...
L221[06:06:05] <Rokker> Althego: I'm sorry
but you can back your dumb comments up tyvm
L222[06:06:07] <GlassYuri> it's long,
almost perfectly straight, quadruple tracked giving some width, and
generally elevated to at least the height of surrounding
buildings
L223[06:06:40] <Rokker> Althego: you are
right that Russian FIGHTERS are much more battlefield runway
friendly
L224[06:06:57] <GlassYuri> Althego, C-130s
can do a stadium, assuming the crapload of rockets you strapped to
it ignite properly
L225[06:07:20] <Kalpa> What about
C-17s
L226[06:07:22] <Rokker> but the C-130 is
extremely capable of taking off in many areas
L227[06:07:34] <Rokker> Kalpa: but less
durable but not unreasonably so
L228[06:08:02] <Kalpa> I saw a C-17 here
few weeks ago
L229[06:08:08] <Kalpa> It wasn't on
flightradar24
L231[06:08:31] <kmath> YouTube - c 17
american air force landing in sand
L232[06:08:33] <Kalpa> (This probably
should not come as a particular surprise to anyone)
L233[06:08:38] <Rokker> I see them all the
time
L234[06:08:47] <Rokker> sometimes they are
sometimes they aren't
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L236[06:08:51] <Kalpa> This one landed on
Helsinki-Vantaa Intl (EFHK)
L237[06:09:11] <Rokker> Kalpa: I saw one
last week doing touch and goes along with one of the air force one
747s
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L239[06:09:24] <Rokker> well
"VC-25s" non 747s
L240[06:09:30] <Rokker> not
L241[06:09:55] <Kalpa> Big-ass military
transports aren't that common here, as our defense forces don't
employ any :P
L242[06:10:00] <GlassYuri> I tend to see
chinooks, as well as a few fighters
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L244[06:10:19] <Rokker> Kalpa: actually
got a crappy quality but neat pic of a B-17 flying in the same
frame as Air Force One
L245[06:10:29] <GlassYuri> also spotted a
C-130 a few weeks back
L246[06:10:38] <Rokker> so a 747 and a
B-17. two great Boeing quad enfines
L247[06:11:00] <Rokker> Kalpa: also the
C-17 ain't big
L248[06:11:05] <Kalpa> I can't vouch for
B-17, I only ever had a scale model of B-29
L250[06:11:59] <Rokker> is little
babby
L251[06:12:54] <Rokker> little babby
plane
L252[06:13:22] <Rokker> Kalpa: also got to
walk on that B-17. it was here for the unveiling of the Memphis
Belle celebration
L253[06:14:17] <Kalpa> It's still big, no
matter if you find the bigger fish to compare it to. Just like a
20kg salmon is big, even if you'd compare it to a tunafish.
L254[06:14:46] <Rokker> is babby
L255[06:14:54] <Kalpa> Yeah, suit
yourself.
L256[06:15:11] <GlassYuri> the chinese
glue I received has "Is a surprise adhesive force" and
"Stimulate the taste-free" written on it
L257[06:15:13] <Rokker> Kalpa: anyways my
museum has the first prototype C-17
L258[06:15:18] <Rokker> its a movie
star
L259[06:16:01] <Rokker> Kalpa: I mean it's
not much larger than a C-124
L260[06:17:01] <Rokker> anyways the
museums C-17 has been in transformers 1 and 2 and iron man 1 and
2
L261[06:18:18] <Rokker> Althego: also with
regards to ruggedness, the A-10 can take off on worse runways than
even the russians
L262[06:19:15] <GlassYuri> but can it take
off with one wing and one engine
L263[06:20:20] <Rokker> probably?
L264[06:21:17] <GlassYuri> Rokker, ...are
there planes out there that are designed to take off with an engine
out?
L265[06:22:15] <GlassYuri> like, I know
that a lot of planes will probably do it, but as an actual design
requirement
L266[06:22:36] <Rokker> GlassYuri: from
startup, probably not many
L267[06:23:08] <Rokker> GlassYuri: planes
are designed to be able to finish their takeoff if an engine failed
mid takeoff
L268[06:24:33] <Rokker> GlassYuri: I wanna
say the DC-1 had that as a design requirement because plane design
in the 1930s was equal parts hilarious, weird and terrifying
L269[06:25:30] <Rokker> they asked five
manufacturers to bid for construction of a three-engined, 12-seat
aircraft of all-metal construction, capable of flying 1,080 mi
(1,740 km) at 150 mph (242 km/h). The most demanding
part of the specification was that the airliner would have to be
capable of safely taking off from any airport on TWA's main routes
(and in particular Albuquerque, at high altitude and with
severe summer temperatures) with one engine
L270[06:25:30] <Rokker>
non-functioning.[
L271[06:25:39] <Rokker> brilliant
L272[06:25:53] <Rokker> gg TWA
L273[06:26:05] <GlassYuri> I mean in early
aviation being stuck with a borked plane and no access to proper
maintenance didn't seem to be that exceptional
L274[06:27:13] <Rokker> GlassYuri: since
ur a china weeb have you ever heard the wonderful story of the CNAC
Douglas DC-2 and a 1/2
L275[06:27:33] <GlassYuri> I haven't
L277[06:29:44] <Rokker> so this is a
DC-3
L278[06:30:04] <Rokker> you might notice
its right wing is shorter and rounder than the left
L279[06:30:16] <Gasher[work]> lol
L280[06:30:44] <Rokker> Which is because
in 1941 in a small airfield in Suifu china
L281[06:30:48] <Gasher[work]> i read that
Corsairs wings were assymetrical due to propeller's influence but
this seems to be too much for that
L282[06:30:52] <Rokker> the plane was hit
with a jamanese bomb
L283[06:30:59] <Rokker> japanese
L284[06:31:05] <Rokker> where did that m
come from
L285[06:31:13] <Gasher[work]> who was the
donor?
L286[06:31:15] <Rokker> im too tired to
type words good
L287[06:31:26] <GlassYuri> m and p are
next to each other on the keyboard
L288[06:32:15] <Rokker> Gasher[work]: well
they just so happened to have a bunch of older less valuable DC-2s
laying around so they took the wing off one, flew it down to suifu
and bolted it on
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L290[06:32:22] <Gasher[work]> ah
L291[06:32:51] <Rokker> they tested it out
on another DC-3 first to make sure it wouldnt go horribly
wrong
L293[06:33:51] <GlassYuri> that is
amazing
L294[06:34:08] <Rokker> GlassYuri: CNAC
was pretty impressive overall
L295[06:34:23] <Rokker> underappreciated
part of the chinese ww2 war effort
L296[06:36:16] <GlassYuri> Rokker, the
tail also seems pretty patched up
L297[06:36:25] <Rokker> probably
L298[06:36:33] <Rokker> most planes dont
survive bombs at all
L299[06:36:34] <Rokker> so
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L301[06:37:40] <legion> Gasher[work]:
italian fighter planes also are asymmetrical to counter prop
torgue
L302[06:38:58] <Rokker> a lot of planes
are called DC 2 and a halfs, but this is probably the one with the
coolest story
L303[06:39:24] <Rokker> well not a
lot
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L305[06:39:29] <Rokker> a decent few
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L308[06:44:48] <Rokker> GlassYuri: have
you ever visited either of the technik museums
L309[06:45:04] <GlassYuri> both
twice
L310[06:45:25] <Rokker> GlassYuri:
jelly
L311[06:45:34] <GlassYuri> jelly?
L312[06:46:24] <Rokker> im jealous
L313[06:46:38] <GlassYuri> Rokker, they
have a chinese QJ class steam locomotive sitting in front of a
string of US transportation corps tank cars
L314[06:47:25] <GlassYuri> heck, the QJ
was temporarily renamed 'anti-imperialism class' during the
cultural revolution
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L317[06:48:47] <GlassYuri> Rokker, they
have a lot of space stuff too
L318[06:50:14] <Rokker> I know
L319[06:50:32] <GlassYuri> Rokker, perhaps
the most ridiculous one is the ship kept in operating condition, on
land
L320[06:51:03] <Rokker> including the
closest thing to a surviving buran
L321[06:51:45] <Rokker> since Russia
didn't see fit to actually preserve theirs
L322[06:51:53] <Rokker> because they hate
aircraft history
L323[06:51:59] *
Rokker states at Gasher[work]
L324[06:52:02] <GlassYuri> Rokker, they
don't just have the atmospheric flight prototype, but also one of
the smaller scale reentry test models
L325[06:52:15] <GlassYuri> and that one
has visibly returned from space
L326[06:52:49] <Rokker> meh we have
lifting bodies that have go to space here too. that one's not
terribly impressive
L327[06:54:03] <Rokker> GlassYuri: I'm
more interested in the planes they have on stilts
L328[06:54:31] <GlassYuri> Rokker, the
outdoor planes really aren't in the best possible condition
L329[06:54:56] <GlassYuri> a lot of them
have equipment removed or behind badly scratched glass panels
L330[06:54:59] <Rokker> they never
are
L331[06:57:09] <Rokker> GlassYuri: but
they have a Dassault Mercure
L332[06:57:12] <GlassYuri> the 747 has the
cabin removed in the rear section so you can see the hull structure
and pressure bulkhead, which is definitely cool
L333[06:57:30] <Rokker> hehehe
Mercure
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L335[07:00:52] <GlassYuri> Rokker, there
is another really impressive aviation museum somewhere else in
germany too
L336[07:01:14] <GlassYuri> not quite sure
where, not even sure if there's an airport nearby
L337[07:01:43] <Rokker> there are a few
good German museums
L338[07:03:21] <GlassYuri> and near where
I'm from there's the zeppelin and dornier museums in
friedrichshafen, which are really good too
L339[07:05:09] <Rokker> GlassYuri: the
Berlin Museum of Technology has a raisin bomber on the roof as well
as some cool unique planes from ww2
L340[07:05:35] <GlassYuri> I haven't been
there
L341[07:06:26] <Rokker> GlassYuri: holy
crap
L342[07:06:35] <Rokker> they have the
Cessna that was landed in red square
L343[07:07:57] <Rokker> also a Fw
200
L344[07:11:18] <Rokker> GlassYuri: were
you thinking of the Flugwert Schlessheim in Munich
L345[07:11:47] <GlassYuri> no
L346[07:11:58] <GlassYuri> somewhere
northeast
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L348[07:12:10] <Rokker> flugwert is
neat
L349[07:12:21] <Rokker> they have a Europa
rocket as well as an ariane booster
L350[07:12:24] <Rokker> and the X-31
L352[07:13:47] <GlassYuri> (go to
einblicke for pictures)
L353[07:15:01] <GlassYuri> ...they doubled
in size since I went there
L354[07:15:31] <Rokker> not bad but I'd
prefer flugwert
L355[07:15:52] <Rokker> also the Berlin
military museum is nice
L356[07:16:08] <GlassYuri> it's been a few
years but I remember it being crammed full of interesting
stuff
L357[07:16:24] <GlassYuri> from the
pictures it seems like it may have become less crammed due to the
expansion
L358[07:23:16] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut:
oiii
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L360[07:32:58] <GlassYuri> ...this model
kit I bought from china uses a resistor as a small tank
L361[07:33:07] <GlassYuri> if it works and
it's stupid
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L363[07:34:19] <GlassYuri> somehow the
instructions show high quality metal wheels while the actual
included ones are garbage plastic ones
L364[07:35:21] <GlassYuri> actually they
seem pretty good for plastic wheels
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L367[08:20:07] <Rokker> So I want to start
a youtube series on plane and rocket history
L368[08:20:16] <Rokker> not sure what
plane to start with
L369[08:20:22] <Rokker> or how to format
it
L370[08:20:25] <Rokker> or anything
L371[08:20:32] <Rokker> but ima do it gosh
darnit
L372[08:25:31] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut:
oi
L373[08:26:09] <GlassYuri> Rokker, start
with a very common misconception
L374[08:26:37] <Rokker> GlassYuri: that
russian planes were good?
L375[08:26:41] <Rokker> very common
L376[08:27:05] <Rokker> GlassYuri: i was
thinking more like profiles of specific planes
L377[08:27:13] <Rokker> like a video about
the B-17
L378[08:27:18] <Rokker> and a video about
the F-22
L379[08:30:17] <GlassYuri> Rokker, I think
the first few vids should gather attention and show off your
knowledge / video production skills
L380[08:31:11] <GlassYuri> also, the plane
video I need the most is one that outlines how a modern air
engagement would work out
L381[08:31:15] <Rokker> GlassYuri:
nonexistent
L382[08:31:22] <Rokker> information is
gonna be my strong suit
L383[08:31:33] <Rokker> gonna work out the
production as i go
L384[08:31:52] <Rokker> i have an
unlimited amount of plane footage i can shoot
L385[08:32:08] <Rokker> for over 350 plane
and bombs and missiles
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L387[08:33:18] <GlassYuri> starting from
what a strategic background could be like, to how and why an
engagement would happen, how it could play out, the numbers
(planes, distances/area, time) involved
L388[08:34:08] <Rokker> GlassYuri: those
kinds of topics would probably be better suited waiting until i
actually have skills built up
L389[08:34:45] <GlassYuri> Rokker,
sure
L390[08:38:27] <GlassYuri> Rokker, also,
my graphic design skills are beyond nonexistant, so I can't help
you with any of that
L391[08:39:02] <GlassYuri> your best luck
would be to look at other aviation and military channels and try to
emulate their infographics and animations
L392[08:39:18] <Rokker> well that's the
thing
L393[08:39:38] <Rokker> I've noticed a lot
of people who talk about obscure aircraft pr about tactics
L394[08:39:51] <Rokker> but not common
planes that people love
L395[08:40:19] <Rokker> maybe there's a
reason for that but idk
L396[08:40:28] <Rokker> feels like there
is a small untouched niche
L397[08:42:49] <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i tried
surviving mars again, but i have quite huge performance problems
with the graphics
L398[08:43:16] <Eddi|zuHause> with pretty
much all settings at minimum
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L401[09:01:42] <Rokker> Eddi|zuHause:
weird
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L406[09:21:44] <Althego> this guy must be
working night shift or something
L407[09:23:47] <Althego> hmm, wintergatan
video
L408[09:23:56] <Althego> he didnt release
new ones for a wehile
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L411[09:27:34] <Eddi|zuHause> what's
"a while"?
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L413[09:30:10] <Althego> there were no
wednesday updates for at least two weeks
L414[09:30:57] <Althego> but i wasnt in
good enough condition since wednesday evening to check it
L415[09:33:23] <Fluburtur> how fo you
close a balloon?
L416[09:33:37] <Althego> glue?
L417[09:33:45] <Fluburtur> no the rubber
ones
L418[09:33:50] <Fluburtur> you do a knot
but idk how
L419[09:33:52] <Althego> small
string
L420[09:34:07] <Althego> usually they
float and you hold them with a string.
L421[09:34:14] <Althego> andthat would
close it
L422[09:34:22] <Fluburtur> do you think I
am righ and have helium
L423[09:34:28] <Fluburtur> I don't even
have hydrogen
L424[09:34:32] <Althego> but you can have
the string
L425[09:34:43] <Althego> you could have
hydrogen since you have water and electricity
L426[09:34:48] <Fluburtur> but you are
supposed to knot the end of the balloon
L427[09:34:56] <Althego> yes, you can do
that too
L428[09:35:03] <Fluburtur> yeah but I
haven't made a hydrogen generator yet
L429[09:41:16] <Mat2ch> Althego: there was
an update this wednesday
L430[09:41:41] <Althego> yes but i was not
in the physical condition to check anything for 1.5 days
L431[09:41:58] <Mat2ch> Althego: just
wanted to inform you that you should go and check :)
L432[09:42:08] <Althego> i wrote that
because i saw the video
L433[09:43:07] <Mat2ch> Ah
L435[09:43:18] <kmath> YouTube - No Knot
Air Balloon | English | Simple Lock
L436[09:43:22] <Mat2ch> wasn't clear to me
what you meant :)
L437[09:48:40] <Eddi|zuHause> i usually
just twist the end of the balloon, and hope it sticks
L438[09:49:02] <Eddi|zuHause> not a very
reliable method :p
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L441[09:58:14] <Althego> i am watching
you. and i dont like what i see. you better get out of my
turf
L443[09:58:54] <Rokker> Fluburtur: I'm
starting a YouTube series... eventually
L444[09:59:05] <Fluburtur> it better be
gud
L445[09:59:34] <Althego> do it in russian
to counterbalance your explosive americanness :)
L446[09:59:48] <Judge_Dedd>
"gud" is "god" in Swedish. That sentence from
Fluburtur made me to a double-take
L447[09:59:56] <Judge_Dedd> to/do
L448[10:00:10] <Althego> guess from the
"git gud"
L449[10:00:22] <Althego> you can make a
gud command in git if oyu really want to
L450[10:00:41] <Judge_Dedd> Althego,
that's obviously referring to the deity of code repositories.
L451[10:00:54] <Rokker> Fluburtur: its
gonna be about planes
L452[10:01:13] <Fluburtur> how
surprising
L453[10:01:13] <Rokker> sorta like a 5 to
10 minute informational thing about a plane and its history
L454[10:01:19] <Fluburtur> could be
nice
L455[10:01:59] <Rokker> gotta wait til I
can get a decent camera to shoot footage of planes at the museum.
decent mic so it doesnt sound bad.
L456[10:02:52] <Althego> you can make
narration later in a studio
L457[10:03:22] <Fluburtur> or get a nice
microphone that clips on your shirt
L458[10:03:24] <Fluburtur> or hat
L459[10:03:59] <Judge_Dedd> Rokker, is it
a noisy environment?
L460[10:04:01] <Rokker> eh I dont plan on
being on screen
L461[10:04:12] <Rokker> I plan on
recording after the fact
L462[10:04:16] <Althego> you dont need to
be
L463[10:04:16] <Rokker> recording
sount
L464[10:04:19] <Rokker> sound
L465[10:04:31] <Fluburtur> we will see you
on the reflection of thz windows
L466[10:04:36] <Rokker> like talking over
the footage shot
L467[10:04:40] <Fluburtur> unless you go
full robbaz and never show your face ever
L468[10:04:43] <Judge_Dedd> Ah, then
microphone is an easier choice
L469[10:04:57] <Althego> but we already
know how he looks like
L471[10:07:12] <ve2dmn> The day of GDPR
emails. YOU get a GDPR email! YOU get a GDPR email! EVERYONE get a
GDPR email!
L472[10:07:20] <Althego> hehe
L474[10:09:22] <Eddi|zuHause> who is the
narrator and who is kagura in that picture?
L475[10:09:29] <Fluburtur> the snek
L476[10:09:33] <Althego> kagura is
probably the snake
L478[10:10:36] <Althego> what is rs2? i
know of rs232 :)
L479[10:10:46] <Fluburtur> rising storm 2
vietnam
L481[10:12:31] <Althego> what you always
wanted to ask but was too afraid?
L482[10:13:26] <Althego> probably venus is
an easier target than mars for manned exploration
L483[10:13:34] <UmbralRaptop> Notably,
"isn't getting back to Venus orbit 0.5-1.0 km/s higher than
getting from the surface of Mars back to earth?"
L484[10:14:45] <Rokker> Fluburtur:
reeeeeee
L485[10:17:18] <APlayer> "Hot enough
to melt lead". Does that mean that soldering is nice and easy,
or a nightmare? :P
L486[10:17:32] <Althego> hehe
L487[10:17:35] <Mat2ch> UmbralRaptop:
also: If you're stuck on Mars, because your rocket didn't fire,
it's way easier to get rescued...
L488[10:17:59] <Althego> if you are stuck
in a balloon you are sill in the balloon on venus
L489[10:18:31] <ve2dmn> APlayer: it means
iit's in a constant state of reflow
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L491[10:18:40] <APlayer> Hehe
L492[10:21:15] <APlayer> UmbralRaptop: I
have reliability questions, though. No way NASA will approve
inflating a big balloon on Venus with people in it
L493[10:21:37] <APlayer> This has not been
done even in remotely similar scenarios
L494[10:21:56] <Althego> yes that seems to
be a better concern
L495[10:21:57] <UmbralRaptop> that,
too,
L496[10:21:59] <Althego> nobody has done
it
L497[10:22:04] <Althego> not even a
demonstration vehicle
L498[10:22:24] <Althego> if you cant
inflate it in time, they fall down and fry
L499[10:23:51] <APlayer> And the worst
part is, you can't inflate it without the people. It eventually
requires you to rendezvous with it in the atmosphere, which is even
worse
L500[10:24:22] <Judge_Dedd> Yeh but
UmbralRaptop, if it's a balloon it's already nearly in space
;)
L501[10:24:41] <UmbralRaptop> …
L502[10:25:17] <Judge_Dedd> don't worry, I
play KSP so I'm clearly not serious
L503[10:28:50] <Althego> Fluburtur: how is
entropy doing
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L505[10:36:14] <Althego> hehe
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L507[10:41:18] <APlayer> Entropy is not
doing. Entropy is increasing.
L508[10:41:26] <Althego> or allah is
doing
L509[10:41:31] <APlayer> No.
L510[10:41:35] <APlayer> Don't.
L511[10:41:44] <Althego> you have to
remember that guy :)
L512[10:42:32] <Zarthus> i bet you just
sent a reminder to all staff through Mod9000
L513[10:42:42] <Judge_Dedd> :/
L514[10:42:44] <APlayer> Oh, hi
Zarthus
L515[10:42:48] <Zarthus> wadup
L516[10:43:03] <Judge_Dedd> Looks like
Esper staff also have it set to ping :P
L517[10:43:03] <APlayer> We were already
conferring about that
L518[10:43:24] <Zarthus> i don't actually,
i was tuned in to this channel by chance
L519[10:43:35] <TheKosmonaut> Moderator is
not doing.
L520[10:43:40] <TheKosmonaut> Only Mod9000
is doing
L521[10:43:44] <Zarthus> we havent seen
this guy in months
L522[10:43:49] <APlayer> Moderator is
increasing.
L523[10:45:09] <Zarthus> im watching a
detroid: become humong playthrough
L524[10:45:25] <Zarthus> i would buy it
but it's 70 bucks and i can experience it just the same through
youtube
L525[10:45:56] <Judge_Dedd> bucks is not
doing
L526[10:46:09] <TheKosmonaut> Oh Cage is
doing
L527[10:48:20] <Althego> and entropy s the
name of the solid rocket motor fluburtur wants to make. several
(not very successful) test fires.
L528[10:49:12] <APlayer> I recall that.
;-)
L529[10:53:52] <TheKosmonaut>
;mission
L530[10:53:58] <Althego> never
forget
L531[10:54:04] <Althego> press f to pay
respects
L532[10:54:13] <TheKosmonaut> You decide
to test out the new VASIMIR mod. This was universally decided to be
a bad idea.
L533[10:54:14] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut: now
that you are alive
L534[10:54:23] <Rokker> I hate Battlefield
V trailer
L535[10:54:42] <TheKosmonaut> Rokker:
CAPTAIN HOOK
L536[10:54:47] <Rokker> after rewatching
it I no longer thing it looks like a boring BF game but a downright
awful one
L537[10:55:00] <TheKosmonaut> Or MG
shooting a grenade out of the air and downing the Me
L538[10:55:15] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut: why
in the hell is there a British woman fighting germans on the front
lines
L539[10:55:31] <TheKosmonaut> Rokker:
should have been Russian or Maquis tbh
L540[10:55:54] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut:
especially when there are NUMEROUS french resistance women that
could have been better more accurate choices
L541[10:55:58] <Rokker> more
inspiring
L542[10:56:09] <TheKosmonaut> I think the
trailer would be a lot better as the Maquis in Paris or maybe a
Russian woman
L543[10:56:24] <TheKosmonaut> But I think
the pacing of the trailer is what bothered me most.
L544[10:56:34] <TheKosmonaut> Besides hook
hands
L545[10:56:38] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut: also
their two choices for arty tank are bot idiotic
L546[10:56:42] <Rokker> like
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L548[10:56:59] <Rokker> reloads in the 10s
of seconds
L549[10:57:27] <TheKosmonaut> And I love
that tanks ran through allies' position in that house
L550[10:57:34] <TheKosmonaut> And the dude
had a katana
L551[10:57:37] <TheKosmonaut> KATANA
L552[10:57:38] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut: I
mean a freaking Churchill AVRE?
L553[10:57:41] <Rokker> come on
L554[10:57:50] <TheKosmonaut> And the
woman came back to life with a barbed cricket bat
L555[10:58:48] <Rokker> STURM TIGER?
L556[10:59:03] <Rokker> THE TANK THAT HAD
TO BE LOADED WITH A CRANE EVERY SHOT
L557[10:59:09] <ve2dmn> The backlash has
been much more entertaining then the trailer... and I haven't watch
the full trailer yet
L558[10:59:58] <Rokker> ve2dmn: I knew BF1
was taking them down a slippery slope of historical inaccuracy but
this is disgusting
L559[11:00:11] <ve2dmn> I have no opinion
on the subject because the last game of that type I played was in
2007
L560[11:00:26] <Rokker> D I S G U S T I N
G
L561[11:02:14] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut: the
only allied tank not based of the churchill was the fricken single
valentine
L562[11:02:23] <Rokker> I hate the
churchill
L563[11:03:06] <TheKosmonaut> ve2dmn: at
least BF1 treated WWI with reverence in the campaign. I do hope the
same applies to the campaign in BFV
L564[11:03:29] <Althego> it is not because
they dont know history. it is because of sjws, who will not play
that game anyway but they just have to have an opinion on it
L565[11:03:36] <TheKosmonaut> But with
them announcing no season pass or paid DLC. I guarantee the money
is all in cosmetics. Because it's just gonna look terrible
L566[11:03:49] <TheKosmonaut> I hope
there'd be a toggle to turn off cosmetics.
L567[11:04:08] <TheKosmonaut> I honestly
was expecting a Battle Royale mode tacked on at the end of the
trailer.
L568[11:04:38] <TheKosmonaut> Without
pinning it on one side or another, it just screams of EAism
L569[11:04:45] <ve2dmn> ^
L570[11:05:02] <ve2dmn> EA is easy to
blame anyway.
L571[11:06:05] <VanDisaster> a valentine
with a churchill in europe?
L572[11:06:44] <VanDisaster> it's like
"hey we can't use Shermans coz we want it to be
different" without thinking that it should be 60%
shermans
L573[11:07:47] <Althego> hehenyoutube
offered a video: why people hate the bf5 trailer
L574[11:08:20] <VanDisaster> the churchill
was a good tank... eventually
L575[11:10:11] <Rokker> VanDisaster:
that's another thing
L576[11:10:22] <Rokker> this whole thing
feels far far dar too british
L577[11:10:41] <Rokker> VanDisaster: you
know what they went for for an attack bomber?
L578[11:10:52] <Rokker> a fricken
blenheim
L579[11:10:57] <Rokker> A BLENHEIM
L580[11:12:28] <Rokker> and not only a
blenheim
L581[11:12:37] <Rokker> but a blenheim
with the wrong damn guns
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L584[11:13:53] <Rokker> blenheim had 4
7.62 Vickers
L585[11:14:02] <Rokker> D I S G U S T I N
G
L586[11:14:13] <Althego> this looks like
some alternate universe thing :)
L587[11:14:42] <Althego> but i was never
one of those people who absolutely know everything of ww2
L588[11:23:56] <Rokker> Althego: I dont
know everything about ww2
L589[11:23:59] <Rokker> just about
planes
L590[11:27:45] <VanDisaster> when is this
set? :p
L591[11:27:54] <VanDisaster> presumably
post 1944
L592[11:28:10] <VanDisaster> well post
d-day
L593[11:29:00] <VanDisaster> that is an
odd looking spitfire too
L594[11:29:28] <VanDisaster> and why does
the poor upper gunner not have a gun :p
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L596[11:32:55] <VanDisaster> wtf are those
transport planes meant to be, too
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L599[11:39:01] <SamIam> Afternoon
L600[11:40:59] <SamIam> Is there anyone
from support here?
L601[11:41:12] <Althego> we can try to
help
L602[11:41:18] <SamIam> For some reason we
have either a computer registered twice or a machine that has a
license that shouldn't. Is there anyway to check the machine
names...so I can determine where the machine is that has it
installed erroneously?
L603[11:41:18] <Althego> but dont expect
any magic
L604[11:42:13] <Althego> ksp doesnt have
drm, so i dont see how individual computers factor in
L605[11:42:34] <Althego> or you may be
talking about some other ksp
L606[11:42:53] <SamIam> There servers keep
track of the mac address that each machine is registered to.
L607[11:43:06] <SamIam> This is the EDU
Version
L608[11:43:20] <Althego> ah, havent seen
anybody yet who uses that
L609[11:44:38] <SamIam> I just sent them
an email....would be nice if they had a support number for their
EDU versions
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L622[12:59:40] <ve2dmn> Blaank: it wasn't
burned by the rocket, it was burned by a brush fire.
L623[13:01:07] <Draconiator> ...CAUSED by
the rocket, so technically he's correct.
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L625[13:02:51] <Althego> yes i read that
in the tweet
L626[13:03:01] <Althego> but i thought he
probably knew that already
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L628[13:13:25] <ve2dmn> Technically
correct
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L631[13:19:24] <ve2dmn> Reminds me of the
delta 4 rocket picture destroyed a lens
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L635[13:23:30] <Mat2ch> So, does anyone
want a Stellaris steam key?
L636[13:28:19] <ve2dmn> How nice of
you!
L637[13:28:37] <ve2dmn> I already have the
game
L638[13:28:47] <ve2dmn> (and all the
DLC)
L639[13:53:44] <Draconiator> I
don't.
L640[13:53:51] <legion> i'd like it
L641[13:53:52] <Draconiator> that's nice
Match.
L642[13:54:10] <Draconiator> I'd take it
too, but legion offered first.
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L649[14:15:09] <Althego> hehe
L650[14:15:30] <Mat2ch> legion: you were
first
L651[14:16:04] <ve2dmn> legion: You were
the chosen one!
L652[14:16:05] <Mat2ch> also I didn't
think to get so many answers so fast
L653[14:17:15] <legion> lol
L654[14:17:56] <legion> i was thinking of
buying it one day. just hadn't gotten around to that yet
L655[14:18:16] <ve2dmn> Mat2ch: Humble
Monthly?
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L657[14:20:26] <Mat2ch> legion: query me
;P
L658[14:20:42] <Althego> today i learned:
thundercats roar. why???????
L659[14:22:20] <Mat2ch> ve2dmn: got it
from a lottery
L660[14:22:43] <ve2dmn> lucky
L661[14:23:22] <legion> so many games to
play...
L662[14:23:22] <Mat2ch> Depends. I wanted
to get Dirt Rally ;)
L663[14:23:35] <Mat2ch> you have to play
Stellaris now
L664[14:23:38] <Althego> and so few lives
to live?
L665[14:24:13] <legion> and Don't Starve,
and DotHacknet (free HB gift)
L666[14:25:34] <Mat2ch> I started playing
AI War: Fleet Command
L667[14:26:28] <legion> oh, have that,
didn't really like it too much
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L669[14:31:47] <ve2dmn> I have 50+ extra
keys from stuff I got in Humble monthly... mostly crappy
games
L670[14:33:19] <Althego> steam key sounds
like some macguffin in a steampunk universe. something that unlocks
some yet unknown incredible power and everybody is looking for
it
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L672[14:38:20] <Mat2ch> ve2dmn: gimme!
;)
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L674[14:41:27] <ve2dmn> I'll PM you, but
the list is not up to date
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L677[14:45:03] <ve2dmn> brb
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L683[15:10:14] <ve2dmn> well... my meeting
got cancelled
L684[15:10:23] <Althego> good
L685[15:10:33] <Althego> who d oesnt hate
meetings
L686[15:10:57] <ve2dmn> it was a 3 people
meeting....
L687[15:11:06] <ve2dmn> We were thinking
of moving it to the Pub
L688[15:11:14] <Althego> hehe
L689[15:17:48] <ve2dmn> I guess I'm gonna
go home since the office is empty
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L691[15:29:22] <Fluburtur> there is
thunder here
L692[15:29:25] <Fluburtur> for once
L693[15:30:34] <Mat2ch> oh, nice
L694[15:30:49] <Mat2ch> we will have two
more hot days and on Monday I think I need a boat again...
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L696[15:37:27] <Fluburtur> wow this one
actually made my room shake
L697[15:37:30] <Fluburtur> and it was
far
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L702[15:58:17] <kuzetsa> ^ does the stock
aerodynamic model / vanilla KSP game have a karman line, as real
planets with atmospheres have, or is it just a theoretical value in
this mod O_O
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L704[15:59:37] <kuzetsa> I want to say the
abrupt atmospheric cut-off at 70km could mean no karman line
exists, but I don't know how to calculate it :(
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L709[16:10:15] <Guest19818> Hi, does
anyone have any experience with ksp enhances edition on Xbox one
and the game failing to launch?
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L711[16:12:59] *
UmbralRaptop is unfortunately only familiar with the PC
version.
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L713[16:15:40] <Guest19818> Thanks; I've
uninstalled and reinstalled/ hard reset. Just won't launch.
L714[16:16:06] <UmbralRaptop> kuzetsa:
currently glaring angrily at Wikipedia, but I think it ends up
being below the cutoff altitudes for most planets in KSP.
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L721[17:00:58] <Eddi|zuHause> surely that
would be a kerman line?
L722[17:04:38] <KrazyKrl> The Kerman line
is the outer surface of an expanding fireball.
L723[17:05:24] <Eddi|zuHause> so maybe the
atmosphere is just a special case of a fireball?
L724[17:06:16] <KrazyKrl> I mean... people
actually burn to death very slowly.
L725[17:06:51] <darsie> By breathing
air?
L726[17:07:41] <Eddi|zuHause> well,
"burning" is just another name for
"oxidizing"
L727[17:08:32] <Eddi|zuHause> which is
pretty much any chemical reaction in the presence of oxygen
L728[17:08:54] <KrazyKrl> Yes... As much
as no-cost skateboards are awesome, cell damage can only go so far
as the repair or reject mechanics can cope.
L729[17:09:59] <Eddi|zuHause> just like
flying is the ability to fall and miss the ground, living is the
ability of burning without going up in flames
L730[17:10:29] <KrazyKrl> or... burning
slow enough for your organs to fail first.
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L732[17:11:48] <Tank2333> O/
L733[17:12:43] <Eddi|zuHause> man i have
this song stuck in my head, but i fear linking the video here
breaks about all the rules, ever
L734[17:13:08] <Tank2333> Nsfw?
L735[17:13:11] <darsie> It's ok, I haven't
read the rules ;).
L736[17:14:18] <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't
either, but i got told off for breaking them often enough to
actually worry about it :p
L737[17:16:01] <KrazyKrl> Just find the
kazoo remix of the song.
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L751[17:47:52] <kuzetsa> UmbralRaptop:
yeah, I get the impression that limit for where you cross the
karman line will depend on your lift/drag ratio
L752[17:48:44] <kuzetsa> as I said - not
sure how to calculate it / big part of why anything I ever made
which lands like a spaceplane just glides & never launches from
runway
L753[17:48:55] <UmbralRaptop> Yeah, I'd
like a "this is the standard airfoil for measuring these
things", but no…
L754[17:49:06] <kuzetsa> p much
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L758[17:58:41] <maltesh> To me, my
board!
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L762[18:16:39] *
UmbralRaptor ? equations in the form of y = x*e^(-x)
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L766[18:29:20] <JCB> Draconiator ....
5.1... sound... single port... specialized plug perhaps?
L767[18:29:53] <Draconiator> Yeah, I had a
plug break off on me in the audio out port...my speakers
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L769[18:30:50] <KrazyKrl> It's virtual
5.1.
L770[18:31:13] <KrazyKrl> i.e. crap.
L771[18:31:21] <KrazyKrl> it's less than
$2 though!
L772[18:31:30] <Guest65908> Hi, does
anyone have any experience with ksp enhances edition on Xbox one
and the game failing to launch?
L773[18:31:30] <JCB> I was going to say...
two ear buds don't make 5.1 no matter what you say..
L774[18:31:53] <JCB> otherwise... USB
sound chip, does make a good idea for pi projects and the
likes.
L775[18:32:00] <KrazyKrl> The first bullet
point literally says "Virtual 5.1 USB sound card"
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L777[18:32:31] <KrazyKrl> the problem i
personally have with it is the fact it probably needs to use
kernel-mode drivers in the OS... on a $2 device from china.
L778[18:32:52] <JCB> hey.. at least its
not one of them endless loop drives from china
L779[18:33:19] <KrazyKrl> The hardware
isn't the problem... it's whatever they have hidden in the
software.
L780[18:33:45] <JCB> .. virtual 5.1...
maybe I've been watching too much ghost in the shell.. got me
thinking of having a 5.1 sound system in my brain.
L781[18:34:26] <KrazyKrl> nope... it
attempts to magic in sound delays to mimic discrete speakers.
L782[18:34:33] <KrazyKrl> from a stereo
signal...
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L784[18:36:10] <JCB> heh.. k.. sounds like
a lot of work. Honestly? I'd be just as happy with two speaker
stereo... then again, I'm sort of simple in some ways
L785[18:37:10] <KrazyKrl> Well...
at-a-glance it just looks like the device is a USB-to-headphone and
a mic-to-USB adapter. I bet the sound processing is done on the
CPU.
L786[18:37:44] <KrazyKrl> you can't really
pack a dedicated DSP on a USB and sell it for $1
L787[18:37:59] <JCB> I saw some of the
reviews... people use them for pi devices with no real big deal..
so maybe ok in some ways
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L789[18:50:51] <Draconiator> Doing some
splicing right now, never ca have too many wires...well unless they
all get tangled...lol
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L791[18:52:21] <KrazyKrl> Make sure you're
using the proper impedance. mics and headphones are high impedance,
line level audio is low impedance.
L792[18:52:35] <KrazyKrl> no idea what the
voodoo USB soundcard is.
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L795[19:08:15] <Draconiator> This is for
my speakers.
L796[19:10:10] <Draconiator> One of the
wires is one wire with 3 bundles inside of it, the other one os one
of those 2-channel ones. so it's kind of interesting.
L797[19:11:08] <Draconiator> Both ground
wires'll have to be wrapped. that gives the impression of wrapping
three bundles together.
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L802[19:30:15] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
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L805[19:46:55] <Draconiator> Tested
splice, sounds amazing
L806[19:47:58] <KrazyKrl> Tested
splice...
L807[19:48:02] <KrazyKrl> hands now shoot
bees
L808[19:50:10] <ve2dmn> Confirmed: Krazy
is a splicer
L809[19:50:24] <Eddi|zuHause> you might
have confused it with gene splicing
L810[19:50:34] <KrazyKrl> I know what i'm
about, son.
L811[19:53:08] <Eddi|zuHause> CISPR on
bro!
L812[19:53:51] <KrazyKrl> Just stick it in
the CRISPR drawer.
L813[19:55:06] <Draconiator> lol
L814[19:55:38] <Draconiator> \if I was
experimenting with genetics...I'd probably have some kind of
monstrosity eating me right now.
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L816[19:57:25] <Supernovy> I'd make some
hybrid vegetables, and I'd try to make them stay fresh for
longer.
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L818[19:57:57] <Supernovy> Like a
carrotlettuce, maybe through in some apple genes. Mmmmm, crispy
CRISPR
L819[19:58:00] <Eddi|zuHause> if they make
plants producing meat proteins, are they vegan?
L820[19:58:12] <Draconiator> lol
L821[19:59:10] <Eddi|zuHause> (there was a
weaker argument like that a few years ago about meat grown in
petridishes being kosher/halal)
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L823[19:59:38] <Guest84384> um hey
L824[19:59:44] <Guest84384> I have a
bug
L825[19:59:58] <Eddi|zuHause>
congratulations
L826[20:00:07] <Guest84384> thanks it
sucks
L827[20:00:10] <Guest84384> what do i
do
L828[20:00:10] <KrazyKrl> is your
refridgerator running?
L829[20:00:20] <Guest84384> um no
L830[20:00:37] <Eddi|zuHause> conservation
of bugs is usually done by drying, not freezing
L831[20:00:52] <KrazyKrl> well... the
conversion efficency is about 2:1
L832[20:01:04] <Guest84384> what do you
mean
L833[20:01:18] <Guest84384> I am so
confused
L834[20:01:30] <ve2dmn> Guest84384: What
kind of bug?
L835[20:01:32] <KrazyKrl> it takes ~1 watt
to move ~1 watt of heat energy.
L836[20:01:38] <Guest84384> ok so
L837[20:01:46] <Eddi|zuHause> you must not
have been around the internet for very long :p
L838[20:02:14] <Guest84384> basically my
crafts stop working infact the entire game goes biserks and makes
the save file unplayable
L839[20:02:21] <Guest84384> its happend
twice now
L840[20:02:27] <KrazyKrl> modded?
L841[20:02:31] <Guest84384> nope
L842[20:02:37] <Eddi|zuHause> x64?
L843[20:02:39] <Guest84384> yeah
L844[20:02:53] <Guest84384> but idk if 32
makes a difference
L845[20:03:08] <Eddi|zuHause> x64 system
or x64 executable?
L846[20:03:15] <Guest84384> idk
L847[20:03:23] <Guest84384> system
L848[20:03:26] <Guest84384> i think
L849[20:03:52] <ve2dmn> can you give more
details?
L850[20:03:59] <Eddi|zuHause> if you go to
the game directory, theres a KSP.exe and a KSP_x64.exe (or
something like that)
L851[20:06:13] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know
if this works on windows, but you could try forcing steam to use
the x64 one by editing the properties->start options to
"%command%_64"
L852[20:07:01] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't even
know if that is still necessary
L853[20:08:42] <Guest84384> yeah so I
started a game after a few hours of playing I built a craft and the
physics seemed off it tillted and crashed but when it hit the
ground the craft bounced I re-loded from the lauchpad but only half
the craft loaded in and GUI identifiers where all active. now
everytime I load the file up and try to launch the rocket the
rocket apears real
L854[20:08:43] <Guest84384> ly small from
the spacecenter veiw and when I try to press escape instead of a
menu the camera just like leaves the plannet
L855[20:10:26] <ve2dmn> I'm not sure I
follow...
L856[20:10:58] <ve2dmn> From what I can
gather, you camera is acting weird
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L858[20:12:08] <ve2dmn> you can maybe try
to hold Numpad + if you are too zoomed out
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L861[20:13:59] <Guest84384> hm
L862[20:14:04] <Guest84384> its not just
the cammera
L863[20:14:14] <Guest84384> the menu wont
even pop up
L864[20:14:20] <Draconiator> yeesh....a
vlogger I follow on YouTube was videoing his wife carrying a
folding patio chair while very pregnant....and she goes "I'M A
BOMBER!"
L866[20:15:13] <ve2dmn> Guest84384: even
if you restart the game?
L867[20:15:21] <Guest84384> yeah
L868[20:15:39] <Guest84384> also I the
caft just doesn't respond to any keys
L869[20:16:04] <ve2dmn> And if you try a
new save?
L870[20:17:31] <Eddi|zuHause> just a few
uncorrelated things: you sure you still have space on the HDD where
the game files and the savegames are stored?, and can you cech the
integrity of the game files?
L871[20:19:16] <Guest84384> yeah i did
that it said there were a few issues and fiexed them but nothing
changed
L872[20:20:44] <KrazyKrl> most of the time
the few files changed tend to be the config files.
L873[20:21:00] <KrazyKrl> but the game
glitching in full-stock with a standard craft?
L874[20:21:07] <KrazyKrl> yea...
somethings hinky.
L875[20:22:49] <Eddi|zuHause> well, it
could be that the savegame is already corrupted, do you have
earlier savegames?
L876[20:23:56] <Eddi|zuHause> or you could
try importing the craft (from the VAB save) into a new
(non-carreer) savegame
L877[20:24:00] <ve2dmn> If you are using
steam, I would suggest backuping your save, unistalling the game
and re-installing it
L878[20:24:42] <KrazyKrl> other than
removing the save files and appdata stuff... redownloading is just
a waste of bandwidth.
L879[20:25:36] <KrazyKrl> something got
messed up and then saved to the persistence file save.
L880[20:29:02] <ve2dmn> Either that or the
hard drive is having issues
L881[20:29:51] <KrazyKrl> Yep, i'm more
leaning towards something weird with the system... since plenty of
people crash stuff in KSP without KSP crashing.
L882[20:30:21] <ve2dmn> I hate the idea of
wasting bandwith, but doing remote tech support, I tend to go with
the 100% sure solutions
L883[20:31:02] <ve2dmn> If the person is
more technically inclinded, they'll ask if then can do X
instead
L884[20:32:14] <ve2dmn> One can only do so
much by chat
L885[20:33:43] <Draconiator> Okay this is
weird...I'm resplicing one of my satellites (2.1) and this thing
does not care how you wire it up as far as polarity for some
reason.
L886[20:34:22] <ve2dmn> Draconiator: have
you tried reticulating splines?
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L888[20:36:37] <VengefulSpoon84>
Okay.
L889[20:36:42] <VengefulSpoon84> What is
this for?
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L891[20:37:15] <ve2dmn> This? As in IRC or
Chat in general?
L892[20:37:27] <ve2dmn> unless he meant
life itself
L893[20:37:51] <KrazyKrl> Why did the
chicken fingers?
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L897[20:48:15] <Guest84312> Anyone
home?
L898[20:48:33] <ve2dmn> maybe
L899[20:49:04] <Guest84312> Hee Hee,
question - Does one HAVE to run KSP through Steam? I have a
mac
L900[20:49:17] <ve2dmn> Steam no
required
L901[20:49:24] <ve2dmn> not*
L902[20:50:09] <ve2dmn> Find the
executable (the KSP_64 probably in your case) and just run
taht
L903[20:50:12] <ve2dmn> that*
L904[20:50:13] <Guest84312> Good, I can't
get into me steam account. I deleted my original gmail account and
now cannot "authenticate"
L905[20:50:40] <Guest84312> There is NO
way to actually contact them
L906[20:50:58] <ve2dmn> Shaun? is that
you?
L907[20:51:11] <Guest84312> Nope, I'm new
to this forum
L908[20:51:29] <ve2dmn> ok, cuz I know
someone named Shaun who did this...
L909[20:51:54] <Guest84312> The
"help" system keeps running me in circles !!!
L910[20:52:03] <ve2dmn> I have more then
one Shaun in my steam frind list now because he could never log
back into his old account -_-
L911[20:52:12] <Guest84312> guess I can
kiss-off that purchase
L912[20:53:33] <Guest84312> Well, I got my
$$ worth. racked up 1700 hours on that gam
L913[20:54:55] <Guest84312> Ciao all
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L915[20:55:50] <ve2dmn> I was gonna say
that you can get the account back by proof of ownership... but he
left
L917[20:56:50] <KrazyKrl> Oh yea... unless
you break the contract you sign to use steam; that account is
yours... and steam support is very helpful when trying to keep a
paying customer.
L918[20:58:11] <ve2dmn> The twist is that
you need an account for the ticket system...
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L920[20:58:36] <ve2dmn> So, you sort of
have to make an account to get back your account
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L922[20:59:19] <KrazyKrl> i'd imagine if
you give them a phone call you don't
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L924[21:00:35] <ve2dmn> they have phone
support?
L926[21:05:37] <KrazyKrl> and probably to
email them.
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L928[21:07:18] <KrazyKrl> steam used to
have a phone support line... but with the millions of steam users,
and only a few hundred valve employees...
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L932[21:16:08] <Rokker> does kath have a
tell feature
L933[21:16:10] <Rokker> I forget
L934[21:16:19] <Rokker> .tell rokker
test
L935[21:16:38] <ve2dmn> that was the older
bot
L936[21:17:47] <Rokker> i wanna tell flub
something :(
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L945[22:06:08] <Draconiator> From my
experience....Chinese made things work great....IF you leave them
alone. SSD still works great.
L946[22:06:46] <Draconiator> Don't jostle
them around or it WILL break but...leave them alone and yer
good.
L947[22:10:08] <darsie> Chinese
volleyballs?
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L962[23:57:26] <Althego> hehe these gdprs
mails keep coming