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L7[00:09:10] <Draconiator> Has anyone heard
of small hard drives with the platters about the same size as a
U.S. dime? I can't find anything on that and was wondering if I was
smelling things or not...
L8[00:09:31] <Althego> a decade ago
L9[00:09:51] <Althego> they were intended
for mobile things, but they were replaced with solid states, so
they never took off
L10[00:10:09] <Althego> maybe it was more
than a decade
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L57[05:34:28] <Fluburtur> im slowly getting
there
L58[05:36:05] <Althego> where
L59[05:36:17] <Althego> launch it from the
launchpad
L60[05:36:18] <Fluburtur> to having a
rocket that works properly
L61[05:36:31] <Althego> in ksp or rl?
L62[05:36:31] <Fluburtur> this runway is on
the other side of kerbin
L63[05:36:37] <Fluburtur> ksp
L64[05:36:51] <Fluburtur> the first stage
of that rocket is made to land like a plane
L65[05:36:59] <Fluburtur> but it is
unstable during reentry
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L67[05:37:06] <Althego> add airbrakes
L68[05:37:09] <Althego> wings,
whatever
L69[05:37:13] <Fluburtur> it has 3
already
L70[05:37:23] <Fluburtur> I guess it is
because of drag at the front
L71[05:37:31] <Fluburtur> but it works
better than the earlier version
L72[05:37:51] <Fluburtur> gets at a 45° aoa
during reentry but then I can control it fairly easily
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L81[06:07:06] <Fluburtur> uh I have been
accidentaly flying a plane without sas for a few minutes
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L84[06:30:29] <Fluburtur> I should tweak my
helicopter now
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L88[07:02:39] <Draconiator> Niiiiiice Flub.
I'm going to finish mine.
L92[07:24:47] <Althego> just look at that
beauty
L93[07:24:59] <Althego> elegant panel from
a more civilized time
L94[07:29:50] <Fluburtur> im havving issues
with the ESC of my heli
L95[07:30:00] <Fluburtur> I can't program
it and that's quite annoying
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L101[08:17:48] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: what's
your latest rocket engine test doing?
L102[08:18:13] <Fluburtur> I think you saw
the latest one
L103[08:18:20] <Fluburtur> also I have
news regarding the canadair
L104[08:20:33] <Althego> the incredible
power of the leafes pushed it to the gorund?
L105[08:20:39] <Althego> leaves
L106[08:20:44] <Fluburtur> sort of
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L110[08:21:16] <Althego> not visible
L111[08:21:26] <Fluburtur> yeah it
moved
L112[08:21:33] <Fluburtur> probably fell
down further
L113[08:21:35] <Althego> either fell down,
or somebody took it
L114[08:21:45] <Fluburtur> there is a
bunch of bushes at the bottom of the tree
L115[08:21:58] <Fluburtur> I will try to
get someone to take me there
L116[08:31:52] <Althego> build an 1:1
scale rc boat and use that. if possible rocket powereed
L117[08:32:00] <Fluburtur> heh
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L120[08:45:25] <Firice> how do you enter
in orbite please?
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L122[08:46:33] <legion> ...
L123[08:46:42] <Fluburtur> no orbit
today
L124[08:46:43] <legion> was just about to
answer.
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L127[09:08:44] <kmath> YouTube - LZX
VIDIOT, The beginning of a video modular synthesis journey
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L133[09:22:15] <APlayer> Hi there!
L134[09:22:21] <APlayer> Guess what time
it is?
L135[09:22:55] <APlayer> Because it's KSP
time! :D
L136[09:23:20] <kubi> it is the best time
ever
L137[09:24:11] <ve2dmn> Is there any good
way to play KSP on a couch?
L138[09:31:34] <kubi> yes
L139[09:31:43] <kubi> you need some
pillows though
L140[09:31:54] <kubi> one under your
knees
L141[09:32:06] <kubi> one to your mouse
hand
L142[09:32:22] <kubi> a 3m wide screen in
front
L143[09:35:29] <ve2dmn> sounds easier to
build custom hardware
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L146[09:36:19] <Fluburtur> I have a bunch
of potentiometers and buttons
L147[09:36:22] <Fluburtur> and
arduinos
L148[09:36:32] <Fluburtur> I could make
myself a stick and som stuff
L149[09:36:39] <APlayer> Build a KSP
control panel!
L151[09:37:11] <Fluburtur> well I want to
build a stick with a bunch of buttons on it, pedals, throttle lever
and another stick for rcs translations
L152[09:37:21] <Fluburtur> also a panel
for control groups and other actions
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L154[09:44:10] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: look at
the Simpit thread on the forum
L155[09:44:31] <Fluburtur> I looked at it
a few times
L156[09:44:33] <Fluburtur> nice
stuff
L157[09:44:37] <ve2dmn> yes
L158[09:44:50] <Fluburtur> also I would
like my stick to work with war thunder as well
L159[09:44:56] <Fluburtur> work with
everything basically
L160[09:45:01] <ve2dmn> it make my brain
go "That's a nice idea, I could probably do that"
L161[09:45:16] <Fluburtur> well hardware
side it would be easy for me
L162[09:45:17] <ve2dmn> But then I get
home and I'm too tired to do anythign
L163[09:45:20] <Fluburtur> but software is
hard
L164[09:45:25] <Fluburtur> heh
L165[09:45:31] <ve2dmn> software is easier
to debug
L166[09:45:47] <Fluburtur> im not patient
enough for software
L167[09:45:47] <ve2dmn> firmware is the
big issue
L168[09:45:55] <Fluburtur> not tangible
enough
L169[09:45:59] <Fluburtur> I prefer
hardware
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L174[09:59:42] <Althego> so what does he
mean by the cyborg dragon?
L175[09:59:50] <Althego> integrate a human
brain in dragon v2?
L176[10:00:02] <Althego> this is not
destination void
L177[10:01:31] <Fluburtur> why doesn't he
rocket land the fairing
L178[10:01:43] <Althego> how
L179[10:01:47] <Fluburtur> ooo Idea,
tether the fairings to the first stage
L180[10:02:00] <Fluburtur> and have
winches pull them and something to grab them
L181[10:02:07] <Fluburtur> or attach them
to the top of the first stage
L182[10:02:11] <Althego> actually
hydraulic or spring opener would be a better solution
L183[10:02:12] <Fluburtur> that sounds
kerbal enough
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L185[10:02:26] <Althego> but currently the
second stage does not come back
L186[10:02:47] <Althego> and the fairing
is still on when they first stage disconnects
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L189[10:06:02] <ve2dmn> Attach wings to
the fairing and glide them back to a landing strip?
L190[10:06:19] <Althego> they are already
wings of some sort
L191[10:06:26] <Althego> have rcs for
stabilization
L192[10:06:28] <Althego> even a
parachute
L193[10:06:31] <Althego> what more you
want
L194[10:06:54] <ve2dmn> them to auto-land
on some airstrip?
L195[10:07:03] <Althego> cant, they are
too far downrange
L196[10:07:14] <Althego> but they are
steered towards some point with this parafoil
L197[10:07:39] <Althego> but last time it
did not work too well
L198[10:08:30] <ve2dmn> put bigger wings
and have a pilot on board?
L199[10:08:54] <Althego> lol
L200[10:09:00] <Althego> pilot doesnt
help
L201[10:09:08] <Althego> extra mass, low g
tolerance
L202[10:09:21] <ve2dmn> I'm sure with big
enough wings, you could glide all the way back
L203[10:09:39] <APlayer> Huh, something
definitely happened to my KSP install since I last used it
L204[10:09:51] <ve2dmn> Or link 2 fairing
together and have them flap like wings
L205[10:09:57] <Althego> lol
L206[10:09:58] <ve2dmn> APlayer:
1.4.3?
L207[10:10:06] <ve2dmn> APlayer: 1.4.3
happened?
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L209[10:10:10] <APlayer> It basically
stopped working. That is, it /works/, per say, but it's soooo
slooow.
L210[10:10:22] <APlayer> No, 1.3 is still
there
L211[10:11:24] <APlayer> I'm watching this
rocket fly for at least 10 minutes, but the mission timer is still
at 1 (!) minute.
L212[10:11:34] <APlayer> 58 seconds,
even
L213[10:11:55] <APlayer> Oh, look it's 59
now.
L214[10:12:07] <ve2dmn> sounds like my
computer
L215[10:12:26] <APlayer> The thing is, it
worked a month or so ago, when I last played KSP
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L217[10:14:14] <APlayer> I'm trying to
figure out what causes this, but I have no idea. CPU0 is at less
than 50%, and I have a whopping 17 MB of free RAM, 282 MB on
"standby", whatever that is, and 7850 or so MB
used.
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L220[10:15:05] <APlayer> Meanwhile, Kerbal
Slide Show advanced to MET T+00:01:06
L221[10:16:12] <bees> close the browser in
background
L222[10:16:14] <bees> just in case
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L224[10:16:32] <bees> if it does not help,
look up to the sky, to avoid seeing planet at all
L225[10:16:38] <APlayer> I want to do it
next, let me check the console for log spam first, though
L226[10:16:40] <bees> if that does not
help, your install is cursed
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L228[10:18:59] <APlayer> I think it's
kOS
L229[10:19:44] <APlayer> kOS:
FlightControlManager: ToggleFlyByWire: steering True
L230[10:19:57] <APlayer> And the console
is completely filled with this stuff, the moment I unpause
L231[10:20:20] <Althego> what if i want to
fly by wings? :)
L232[10:22:34] <APlayer> Yeah, stopping
the kOS script fixes it. Whatever I broke.
L233[10:30:19] <APlayer> Hey, I fixed it.
It was my kOS script! :-)
L234[10:31:23] <APlayer> To anyone looking
for kOS devs: Hire me, I'll do the job slowly and badly!
L235[10:31:42] <APlayer> "Badly"
is the wrong form, though, isn't it?
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L239[10:43:32] <RandomJeb> more
worsely
L240[10:45:45] <ve2dmn> APlayer:
Wrongeworsely, probably
L241[10:45:59] <Althego> hehe
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L251[11:13:06] <ve2dmn> APlayer: which
reminds me, I'm looking for someone writting a rendez-vous and
docking kOS script... think you can do that?
L252[11:14:12] <APlayer> That's my
medium-term goal
L253[11:14:18] <Althego> hehe hawk 9
L254[11:14:46] <Althego> has 9 moros
engines? :)
L255[11:14:56] <Althego> or 10
L256[11:15:02] <Althego> with second
stage
L257[11:15:44] <APlayer> I have attitude
control scripts semi-working and I am currently working on Hawk 9
launch and landing sequences. Once I get that, I will design test
payloads and scripts that demonstrate rendezvous/docking with the
launch script.
L258[11:16:37] <APlayer> But keep in mind,
this is RSS and I will probably not write the docking script in the
sense you want it, because it will depend on a proper orbit and
launch within a proper launch window.
L259[11:17:27] <ve2dmn> yeah... I'm
looking for a docking-with-my-space-station script
L260[11:17:33] <ve2dmn> or refuel
station
L261[11:18:06] <APlayer> I will be glad to
provide assistance and ideas, though, because I will need to come
up with those for my own script too
L262[11:18:07] <Althego> myspace station
:)
L263[11:20:55] <Althego> hehe, i found out
the name of some bird in english is roller
L264[11:21:08] <ve2dmn> Falconry?
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L267[11:22:23] <Althego> the art of flying
rockets named falcon? :)
L268[11:22:52] <ve2dmn> ;wa define
Falconry
L269[11:22:53] <kmath> ve2dmn: falconry
(English word)->definition: noun->the art of training falcons
to hunt and return
L270[11:23:17] <ve2dmn> So, yes
L271[11:24:10] <APlayer> So, Elon Musk is,
in reality, not a rocketry enthusiast, but much rather an
ornithologist?
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L275[11:45:35] <ve2dmn> more like the
owner of the falcon training company
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L278[12:02:47] <APlayer> Congratulate me.
I managed, for the first time in my KSP life, to exceed a part's
G-load tolerance
L279[12:03:02] <APlayer> And it was not
even intended. And not on a plane either.
L280[12:04:48] <APlayer> I other news, we
have a Hawk 9 first stage with full loss of aerodynamic control
surfaces and no fuel on a sub-orbital trajectory and drifting in a
direction 150° or so off from where it should.
L281[12:06:25] <APlayer> Also, TIL this
rocket stage has a dV of almost 2 km/s with 4% of its fuel left,
when it has no second stage to carry
L282[12:07:42] <Rokker> APlayer:
neat
L283[12:08:43] <Althego> hehe
L284[12:08:56] <Althego> it is just an
empty tank basically at that point
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L286[12:09:46] <APlayer> I mean with no
second stage and no grid fins, of course.
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L291[12:22:48] <ve2dmn> how I feel about
containers ^
L292[12:24:45] <jgkamat> this is a very
high quality xkcd :)
L293[12:24:53] <ve2dmn> IKR?
L294[12:25:04] <ve2dmn> like, colours and
stuff
L295[12:29:35] <jgkamat> definetly one of
my favorites of all time :D
L296[12:29:40] <jgkamat> It resonates with
me
L297[12:30:02] <ve2dmn> I have this
love/hate relationship with containers
L298[12:30:45] <jgkamat> me too :D
L299[12:31:08] <jgkamat> I personally
really like containers for CI but I hate them for packaging
L300[12:31:19] <ve2dmn> I feel like they
are sometimes used because developpers are lazy
L301[12:32:16] <ve2dmn> And they prefer
that I have network headaches instead of them actually writing
software with proper packaging
L302[12:33:28] <ve2dmn> I have similar
issues with Virtualenv
L303[12:33:49] <ve2dmn> "Why use the
system packages, when you can re-install everything!"
L304[12:34:45] <ve2dmn> So, in the end,
you have to maintain a pip-enabled install inside a docker image
inside a VM
L305[12:35:10] <ve2dmn> "I get
connection errors. Fix it"
L306[12:35:51] *
ve2dmn is sorry for the rant...
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L308[12:44:23] <Althego> see prvious xkcd
:)
L309[12:45:58] <jgkamat> > I feel like
they are sometimes used because developpers are lazy
L310[12:46:01] <jgkamat> 100% agree
:D
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L313[12:52:24] <ve2dmn> it's like
cryptocurrency: the tech is cool, but it's been over-used so much
it's now a parady of itself
L314[12:52:46] <ve2dmn> parody*
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L316[12:54:12] <Fluburtur> well I planned
on going out for like 10 minutes and ended up being gone for like
an hour
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L320[12:59:12] <Rokker> Fluburtur: are you
familiar with Peter Sripol
L321[12:59:17] <Fluburtur> yeah
L322[12:59:37] <Rokker> Fluburtur: turns
out he lives in the next suburb over
L323[12:59:44] <Fluburtur> heh
L324[12:59:54] <Fluburtur> you don't live
too far from foamie ninja either then
L326[13:00:43] <Fluburtur> that guy is
really nice
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L332[13:04:35] <Rokker> Fluburtur: well
thats an interesting quadcopter
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L334[13:05:09] <Fluburtur> it is a
bicopter
L335[13:05:14] <Fluburtur> but with
coaxial rotors
L336[13:05:36] <Fluburtur> this guy is
pretty much the father of those
L337[13:05:48] <Rokker> ima call it a
quadcopter
L338[13:05:48] <Fluburtur> also has some
helicopters with a single blade and counterweight on the other
side
L339[13:06:10] <Fluburtur> he has a micro
hexacopter with single blade props
L340[13:06:16] <Rokker> its got rotors,
its a quadcopter imo
L341[13:06:21] <Rokker> wait what
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L343[13:08:10] <Fluburtur> single blade
gives more efficiency
L344[13:08:25] <Fluburtur> he gets like
60% more flight time on his single blade heli
L345[13:09:15] <Fluburtur> actually I
think he lives like 30 minutes or 1 hour away from peter but I
could tell him you could take him on a tour of the museum
L346[13:09:32] <Rokker> LOL
L347[13:09:41] <Rokker> Fluburtur: i do
give the best tours
L348[13:09:54] <Fluburtur> it's the dayton
usaf museum right?
L349[13:10:13] <Rokker> Fluburtur: its the
National Museum of the USAF
L350[13:10:20] <Rokker> near Dayton
Ohio
L351[13:10:24] <Fluburtur> ok
L352[13:10:51] <Rokker> Fluburtur: do you
think im too obsessed with the museum
L353[13:10:59] <Fluburtur> yeah but it's
not a bad thing
L354[13:12:09] <Rokker> Fluburtur: huh,
its possible the museum might get a mirage one day
L355[13:12:21] <Fluburtur> well it isn't a
hard plane to get
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L357[13:12:39] <Fluburtur> a dude a few
kilometers away has one in his backyard
L358[13:13:13] <Rokker> Fluburtur: well
they typically dont take aircraft they dont fly
L359[13:13:38] <Fluburtur> that better
mean they fly the WWII aircrafts
L360[13:13:48] <Fluburtur> and the
rockets
L361[13:13:52] <Rokker> Fluburtur: havent
flown rather
L362[13:14:04] <Rokker> like if it hasnt
served in the USAF it wont be in the museum
L363[13:14:09] <Rokker> or fought against
the USAF
L364[13:14:25] <Fluburtur> uh too bad, the
mirage is a good addition to any museum
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L366[13:14:40] <Fluburtur> and they are
technically allies too so I guess that counts
L367[13:14:52] <Fluburtur> some french
dude could take one of your pilots for a ride on the mirage
L368[13:16:24] <Rokker> Fluburtur: i think
the closest we will ever get is if we somehow get a Kfir
L369[13:16:32] <Rokker> which is
technically a V
L370[13:17:29] <Fluburtur> yeah
L371[13:17:41] <Rokker> Fluburtur: since
the Kfir was leased the the US for adversary training and
designated the F-21
L372[13:17:48] <Fluburtur> does the
simulated engagements mean you could get a rafale?
L373[13:18:00] <Fluburtur> also the rafale
is made to be able to land on your carriers
L374[13:18:08] <Rokker> wait
L375[13:18:22] <Rokker> the Kfir was only
leased by the navy and marines? huh i though USAF took it too
L376[13:18:49] <Rokker> Fluburtur: yeah i
knew that
L377[13:19:08] <Rokker> Fluburtur: there
is a picture out there somewhere of a rafael taking off from a
CVN
L378[13:19:17] <Fluburtur> heh
L379[13:19:40] <Fluburtur> btw I have a
box with paint brushes and it has "raphael" written on it
with a font that looks like the rafale one
L381[13:20:30] <kmath> YouTube - Rafale
Squadron on USS Truman
L382[13:22:13] <Fluburtur> is it really
that hard to land on a carrier?
L383[13:22:29] <Rokker> Fluburtur: carrier
landings can be pretty dang tough
L384[13:23:25] <Rokker> Fluburtur: ton of
things that can go wrong
L385[13:23:37] <Fluburtur> yeah
L386[13:23:47] <Rokker> Fluburtur: altho
its possible that not all of those are actual landing
attempts
L387[13:23:58] <Rokker> some could be
touch and go practice
L388[13:24:02] <Fluburtur> true
L389[13:24:51] <Rokker> Fluburtur: i know
thats something a few aircraft do
L390[13:24:57] <Rokker> or a few forces
do
L391[13:25:21] <Rokker> i believe brazil
practices touch and goes on US carriers when they are in the
area
L392[13:27:53] <Fluburtur> "eh yea
imma boop your carrier with my wheels"
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L394[13:31:20] <Moonhound> Greetings
Cosmonauts!
L395[13:31:42] <APlayer> Heeloo!
L396[13:32:10] <UmbralRaptop> greetings
and salutations.
L397[13:32:43] <Moonhound> just spent
about 12 hours trying to launch my first satellite :P
L398[13:33:21] <APlayer> How did it
go?
L399[13:33:42] <UmbralRaptop> Hopefully
better than the 4 inch flight.
L400[13:34:18] <Moonhound> All manner of
debris and dead astronauts scattered around Kerbin ... THOSE
probably orbit perfectly so I'm getting close!
L401[13:34:36] <APlayer> Diagnosis: Needs
MOAR struts
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L403[13:35:13] <Moonhound> I started
seeing what I could do as far as space planes and rovers go
L404[13:35:26] <UmbralRaptop> Weidly, this
might mean needing less rocket.
L405[13:36:14] <Moonhound> It's probably
wayyyyyyyy easier to reach orbit with a plane you know what I mean?
Breaking gravity and all
L406[13:36:41] <APlayer> Rockets are much
easier, I tell you that.
L407[13:37:19] <APlayer> May we see your
rocket, BTW?
L408[13:38:36] <Moonhound> This is fairly
nubbish of me to ask but um... How? o-O
L409[13:38:52] <Moonhound> I mean
screenshots sure, but sending them through here or what ?
L410[13:40:25] <Fluburtur> I have a google
drive folder with my ksp stuff
L411[13:40:45] <UmbralRaptop> Moonhound:
upload them to Google photos, imgur or whatever and post the
link.
L412[13:40:55] <Moonhound> ohhhh
right
L413[13:42:03] <ve2dmn> Moonhound: wait
until you find out this game has tons of mods...
L414[13:43:01] <APlayer> Moonhound: A lot
of us here use imgur.com
L415[13:43:06] <ve2dmn> +1
L416[13:43:18] <APlayer> ve2dmn:
Shush
L417[13:43:44] <APlayer> Also, +c
L418[13:44:50] <Moonhound> I know all
about the mods lol
L419[13:44:54] <ve2dmn> UmbralRaptop:
remember that discussion we had about the 909 ISP... I found a
graph I had of the pressure curve of Kerbin:
https://imgur.com/a/tF8XH
L421[13:44:57] <APlayer> If your enjoyment
factor E describes how much you like KSP and you have m mods, E =
m*c²
L422[13:45:16] <Moonhound> the google
drive stuff and what not is for people who usually have ....
whatcha call 'em
L423[13:45:18] <Moonhound> Friends
L424[13:45:24] <Moonhound> family
L425[13:45:33] <ve2dmn> mates
L426[13:45:36] <APlayer> Moonhound:
imgur.com/upload
L427[13:45:38] <Moonhound> Pals
L428[13:45:57] <APlayer> Summarize it as a
"social environment"
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L430[13:46:23] <Moonhound> I only found
one of the craft I had made I dunno what the frick I did with the
others
L431[13:46:31] <Moonhound> In a career
save
L432[13:46:52] <APlayer> You must have had
too few struts on them, so the craft save file got corrupted
L433[13:47:17] <Fluburtur> APlayer peoples
can use autostrut you know
L434[13:47:25] <Fluburtur> the problem is
obviously moar boosters
L435[13:47:36] <Moonhound> No I think that
I deleted the wrong save game :/
L436[13:47:39] <APlayer> MOAR
boostruts!
L437[13:47:41] <ve2dmn> UmbralRaptop:
conclusion: you were right
L438[13:48:07] <Moonhound> but this one
works for breaking atmosphere for that first couple contracts
L441[13:49:09] <APlayer> Moonhound: If you
feel like doing a bit of maths and physics and want a brief summary
of what you should absolutely know for vessel design, we will
gladly walk you through it
L442[13:49:48] <APlayer> Also, this craft
makes surprisingly lots of sense considering that it is one of your
first ones
L443[13:50:50] <UmbralRaptop> It's a
perfectly reasonable sounding rocket, though you'll want something
built around the LB-T45 for orbiting.
L444[13:50:55] <Moonhound> I have not just
been watching from the sidelines like a chump lol. YEARS i have
wanted to own this game. I did my own calculus based research and
what not over the years
L445[13:50:59] <UmbralRaptop>
*LV-T45
L446[13:51:07] <Moonhound> Yeah that one
has no use as an orbiter
L447[13:51:08] <UmbralRaptop> Nice
L448[13:51:43] <APlayer> Moonhound: So you
are familiar with stuff like delta-v and TWR and such?
L449[13:51:44] <ve2dmn> Moonhound: it's in
this month's HumbleBundle Monthly
L450[13:51:50] <Moonhound> I have one that
was kinda nifty but was just barely short of the required fuel to
have TWO astronauts in orbit to do science research and then come
back down
L451[13:52:01] <Moonhound> That news
arrived a day late for me
L452[13:52:09] <Moonhound> The humble
bundle
L453[13:54:37] <APlayer> Moonhound: If you
are the maths and programming type, you may want to check out the
kOS mod. :-)
L454[13:54:46] <ve2dmn> And KER
L455[13:54:52] <APlayer> KER is optional
with kOS
L456[13:54:56] <ve2dmn> true
L457[13:54:58] <APlayer> But useful if you
fly by hand
L458[13:56:21] <Moonhound>
https://imgur.com/a/yD12lWH <--- this bad boy was
SO close to stable orbit with a bit of fuel to punch back down into
atmosphere
L460[13:56:45] <Moonhound> SO close
L461[13:56:50] <Moonhound> theyre stuck up
in orbit
L462[13:57:16] <Moonhound> not a fully
stable one... they kinda kiss upper atmo on peri
L463[13:57:33] <Moonhound> but they aint
comin' down until i go get them lol
L466[13:59:18] <Althego> why are there
intakes on the rockets?
L467[13:59:21] <APlayer> That, on the
other hand, is not entirely reasonable
L468[13:59:22] <Moonhound> SO CLOSE
L469[13:59:49] <Moonhound> They seemed to
be working to add a lil more time on the SFB
L470[13:59:51] <jgkamat> that looks really
cool :)
L471[14:00:01] <APlayer> Moonhound: Do you
know how to calculate?
L472[14:00:01] <Moonhound> So I beefed up
all air intakes
L473[14:00:03] <Althego> time? no. speed?
maybe
L474[14:00:12] <Althego> because if thye
lessen the drag
L475[14:00:15] <APlayer> How to calculate
dV* LOL that sentence
L476[14:00:30] <Moonhound> delta V not
completely nay
L477[14:01:06] <Moonhound> And I suppose
yes the drag is slightly decreased since they utilize the airflow
instead of become hindered by it perhaps
L478[14:01:27] <APlayer> You have three
options: 1) Eyeball it, 2) I can give you the formula or 3) I can
walk you through on how to derive it. The latter involves a tad of
calculus, but not much
L479[14:02:20] <Moonhound> I would
severely appreciate any tutoring on how to fully understand the
formula, sir. :D
L480[14:02:25] <APlayer> Any way, to
achieve orbit, you need some sense of how much delta v your vessel
has. At least I need that, some people have played the game enough
to know if a vessel will orbit just by looking at it
L481[14:03:16] <Moonhound> I require all
statistics of my vessels. That was one of the mods I got. Kerbal
Engineer
L482[14:03:18] <APlayer> Well, alright.
So, dv = a * dt, which is the simple part. The hard part is that a
is not constant, but rather, it decreases as your vessel consumes
fuel
L483[14:03:43] <Moonhound> What variable
is a applied to
L484[14:03:54] <APlayer> a increases* m
decreases* because of a = F/m where F is the force of your
engines
L485[14:04:26] <Moonhound> Force divided
by mass
L486[14:04:30] <Moonhound> = a
L487[14:04:31] <APlayer> a is the
acceleration, yes
L488[14:04:31] <Moonhound> ?
L489[14:04:41] <Moonhound> ahhhh
wondrous
L490[14:04:56] <APlayer> Sorry, heh. I
messed up that first message.
L491[14:05:05] <Moonhound> Not a problem
:D
L492[14:05:34] <APlayer> Anyway, so you
have dv = F / m * dt, however, this only applies if F and m are
constant.
L493[14:07:27] <APlayer> F is, indeed, for
practical purposes constant (actually, it is slightly lower in the
atmosphere, but that is irrelevant for now, and much too complex to
model anyway). So you have to break down how the dv = a * dt part
works. Turns out, v, the velocity, is just the integral of a, the
acceleration. When a is constant, you get v = a*t. However, you
have a function a(t).
L494[14:09:03] <Moonhound> What is t
?
L495[14:09:11] <APlayer> a(t) = F * m(t).
m(t) is the difficult part, because your engines burn fuel and mass
decreases. But the engines burn fuel at a constant rate, let's call
it FC (fuel consumption) for now.
L496[14:09:14] <APlayer> t is the
time
L497[14:09:26] <Moonhound> ahh yes
L498[14:10:26] <APlayer> So, if you start
with mass m0 and burn fuel at FC kg per second, you have m(t) = m0
- t * FC. So, a(t) = F / (m0 - t * FC)
L499[14:12:06] <Moonhound> acceleration
divided by time = Force of engines divided by mass minus the rate
of fuel consumption
L500[14:12:14] <Moonhound> Do I understand
it correctly?
L501[14:12:37] <APlayer> a(t) means that a
is a function of t. That is, acceleration changes with time.
L502[14:12:48] <Moonhound> AHHHHHhh
L503[14:13:04] <Moonhound> because mass
decreases as fuel is consumed i see i see
L504[14:13:25] <APlayer> m0 - t * FC
yields the mass at any given t, because you start with mass m0 and
remove FC * t from that.
L505[14:13:38] <APlayer> And F is just F
and remains constant
L506[14:13:47] <Moonhound> ohhhhh man i
love math
L507[14:16:18] <APlayer> Now, you need, to
integrate, a starting t (which is 0), and an ending t. To calculate
your ending t, you need to know how much fuel you can burn, and get
t = m_fuel / FC
L508[14:17:26] <APlayer> m_fuel is more
conveniently described as m_wet - m_dry, which means fuelled mass
minus empty mass. Anyway, you get t = (m_wet - m_dry) / FC
L509[14:17:27] <Althego> scott landing a
capsule with a kerbal
L510[14:17:32] <ve2dmn> So the ultimate dV
is when 100% of the rocket is fuel
L511[14:19:05] <Moonhound> So dV of it in
the VAB
L512[14:19:21] <Moonhound> should help
tell me how well it can do
L513[14:19:54] <ve2dmn> yes
L514[14:20:14] <ve2dmn> you need between
3500 and 4000m/s of dV to make it into orbit
L515[14:20:45] <ve2dmn> real earth is more
like 20km/s
L516[14:22:19] <APlayer> Now, if you
integrate a(t) = F / (m0 - t * FC) from t = 0 to t = (m_wet -
m_dry) / FC, which you can of course do by hand, but I advise
against that, you get v = F / FC * ln(m_wet / m_dry)
L517[14:26:48] <APlayer> m_wet, m_dry and
F are things you can comparatively easily determine. The issue is
FC. That is of course a property of your engine. But KSP provides
you with a thing called Specific Impulse or Isp. Isp * 9.81 tells
you how fast the exhaust gasses of your engine are. Turns out, you
can relate that to fuel consumption via thrust: F = FC * Isp *
9.81. So, if you look closely, F / FC is the same as Isp *
9.81.
L518[14:26:48] <APlayer> Which yields you
the final equation, which is appropriately called the
"Tsiolkovsky Rocket Equation": dv = Isp * 9.81 * ln(m_wet
/ m_dry)
L519[14:28:16] <Moonhound> where does the
9.81 come from ? o_O
L520[14:28:25] <APlayer> The only issue is
when you have multiple engines with different Isp. Then you need to
average them with the weights being their thrust: (F1 * Isp1 + F2 *
Isp2 + ...) / F_sum
L521[14:29:06] <APlayer> The Isp thing is
just a convention. Isp * 9.81 is the same this as exhaust velocity,
or ve. The 9.81 has no meaning here, AFAIK, it's just defined this
way, whyever.
L522[14:29:19] <APlayer> the same
thing*
L523[14:29:25] <Moonhound> Does the engine
placement have any effect on these values??
L524[14:29:40] <APlayer> As long as they
all point in one direction, no, not really
L525[14:29:46] <Moonhound> okay lol
L526[14:30:12] <Moonhound> So it's a
majorly in-depth version of Ft-Lbs
L528[14:31:21] <Moonhound> oh the
correctional thrusters yeah
L530[14:32:27] <APlayer> Those are not
correctional thrusters. They are, in fact, the main propulsion of
this vessel, which exists in reality and is called
"Dragon".
L531[14:32:50] <Moonhound> That's a
real-world lander??
L532[14:32:51] <Deddly> Dragon Mk II,
right?
L533[14:32:53] <Moonhound>
NEAAAAAAAAAAT
L534[14:33:02] <Deddly> Dragon lands on
parachutes
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L536[14:33:24] <Moonhound> Hi
Deddly!
L537[14:33:27] <Deddly> But those
thrusters also work as an escape mechanism, which is neat
L538[14:33:28] <APlayer> Deddly: IIRC only
as a secondary method?
L539[14:33:34] <Deddly> Oh it's you,
Moonhound!
L540[14:33:40] <APlayer> Parachutes as a
secondary method, that is
L541[14:33:41] <Moonhound> Yessir!
^_^
L542[14:33:54] <APlayer> Wait, Moonhound
is not a new user here? :-)
L543[14:33:55] <Deddly> Nice to see you in
IRC, and congratulations on getting into KSP :)
L544[14:34:20] <Deddly> APlayer, we have
exchanged a few messages on the forum :)
L545[14:34:29] <APlayer> Ah, got it.
L546[14:36:28] <APlayer> I am somewhat
weird with forums. I hang out in at least three places that are
actually forums and I am even registered on them, but nevertheless
I spend 95% of the time on the IRC channel rather than the
forum
L547[14:36:59] <Moonhound> This is the
first time I have ever really participated in a forum or an IRC
channel
L548[14:37:05] <Moonhound> KSP means so
very much to me
L549[14:37:42] <Deddly> It's a window to
another world, isn't it?
L550[14:38:14] <Moonhound> It's a window
to an alternate dimension alright
L552[14:38:51] <Moonhound> if life had
been a bit different for me... i'd probably be working for NASA or
SpaceX
L553[14:39:25] <APlayer> I can't stop
looking at pretty KSP pictures :D
L554[14:39:25] <Moonhound> wow my comp
cant run at that level of awesome
L555[14:39:38] <APlayer> Let me tell you a
secret: Mine can't either
L556[14:39:42] <Moonhound> lol
L557[14:40:12] <Moonhound> if you saw this
Frankenstein i'm working with...
L558[14:40:28] <APlayer> My last GPU was
molten when I figured out why my monitor wouldn't show anything.
Well, actually this is not related to KSP, but it was molten
anyway.
L559[14:40:50] <Moonhound> The monitor I
have is so outdated most games run in letterbox :/
L560[14:40:59] <Moonhound> so
aggravating
L561[14:41:08] <Deddly> Moonhound, Oh
that's cool, I really miss 4:3
L562[14:41:29] <Moonhound> I really miss
them letting us poor folk not be left in the dirt
L563[14:41:34] <Deddly> Moonhound, I
always run KSP in 4:3 because it improves the framerate for
me
L564[14:41:52] <APlayer> Well, a new
monitor is usually not a problem around here. There are, somehow,
lots of spare ones just laying around.
L565[14:42:27] <Moonhound> Well if ya run
out of room, ol' Moonhound has space for one :P
L566[14:46:31] <Fluburtur> my chari has
metal tube legs and no skids and it legit made a hole in the
floor
L567[14:46:58] <Deddly> APlayer, about
Dragon, the dragon in current use is the one that delivers cargo to
the ISS. Lands in the ocean on parachutes. The propulsive landings
were recently shelved so as to channel resources into BFR
L568[14:47:17] <APlayer> Ah, got it
L569[14:47:34] <Deddly> It was a neat
concept, though. They got as far as testing the escape system
L570[14:47:43] <APlayer> BFR sounds like
it will be a big sink of everything, I'm eager to see what becomes
of that
L571[14:48:02] <Deddly> I mean the abort
system
L573[14:48:24] <kmath> YouTube - SpaceX
Pad Abort Test
L574[14:48:54] <Deddly> How much would
people pay to ride just that? :D
L576[14:50:22] <kmath> YouTube - Dragon 2
Propulsive Hover Test
L577[14:59:08] <Draconiator> Moonhound,
you still have one of those huge CRT monitors?
L579[15:01:21] <kmath> YouTube - SpaceX
Pad Abort Test
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L583[15:14:48] <Deddly> I already linked
that, but it's worth watching twice, Draconiator ;)
L584[15:15:07] <Fluburtur> marvel fanboys
annoy me
L585[15:15:19] <Fluburtur> all the marvel
movies are mediocre at best now
L586[15:15:20] <Deddly> * fanboys annoy
me
L587[15:15:22] <Fluburtur> since the first
avengers
L588[15:15:34] <Fluburtur> it's always the
same thing
L589[15:16:00] <Fluburtur> when I watch a
marvel movie then any other movie im like "oh this is so much
better"
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L592[15:19:00] <Deddly> Then of course
every movie in existence pales into insignificance when compared
with Star Wreck: In the Pirkinning
L593[15:24:07] <Fluburtur> yeah
L594[15:24:38] <Fluburtur> I mean I still
watch the marvel moveis because I want to setay up to date but I
would like it if they took some risk sometimes
L595[15:24:48] <Fluburtur> and get peoples
that make nice movies
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L600[15:51:01] <ve2dmn> nice movies?
Thoses are high risk. No, the studios want low risk, high reward so
they'll target those that go to the movies often
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L603[15:51:35] <Fluburtur> yeah but that
is stupid
L604[15:51:40] <Fluburtur> but well
everyone balls for it
L605[15:51:44] <Fluburtur> falls*
L606[15:51:49] <Fluburtur> and that's
sad
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L608[15:53:09] <ve2dmn> never
underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups
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L610[15:53:27] <ve2dmn> 'none of us is as
dumb as all of us'
L611[15:53:37] <Fluburtur> heh
L612[15:53:44] <ve2dmn> it's a nice
poster
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L618[16:05:09] <Draconiator> Bleh...most
of the time when I wanna get somewhere....Mun gets in the
way.
L619[16:05:25] <VanDisaster> use it
then
L620[16:16:37] <Moonhound> Draconiator no
no lol. It's LCD. It's just 10 years old or so.
L621[16:17:05] <Moonhound> max resolution
1280x1024
L622[16:18:14] <Moonhound> urrehbody wants
to do 4k-esque resolutions and I would literally have to hack their
games to affix the damn hex value to allow for any kind of 4:3
resolution.... and they'd probably disapprove of that
L623[16:18:29] <Moonhound> Like.... maybe
8 numbers
L624[16:18:35] <Moonhound> That's
all
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L628[16:40:43] <GurrenLagannTSS> Hey
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L632[16:59:42] <Rokker> boy
L633[16:59:51] <Rokker> someone at
Lockheed really likes stars
L634[17:00:15] <GurrenLagannTSS> What
stars
L635[17:00:21] <Rokker> all of them
L636[17:00:45] <Rokker> like 4/5ths of the
aircraft are named after stars, constellations, astronomical
objects etc
L637[17:00:51] <Rokker> or have star in
the name
L638[17:03:10] <GurrenLagannTSS>
Yeah
L639[17:03:11] <legion> naming themes are
a thing you know.
L640[17:03:44] <GurrenLagannTSS> I name
rockets after mods and amine charaters
L641[17:03:59] <legion> hey, that does
work.
L642[17:04:40] <Rokker> legion: yes but
it's why I'm annoyed at bowing for naming CST-100
"starliner"
L643[17:04:48] <GurrenLagannTSS> I think
of a random mod like BFR
L644[17:04:57] <Rokker> trying to steal
Lockheeds naming convention
L645[17:05:07] <GurrenLagannTSS> And i
name it BFR-58 for example
L646[17:05:36] <GurrenLagannTSS> Or i
think of a anime character
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L648[17:06:01] <GurrenLagannTSS> And name
it Buu-T5
L649[17:06:38] <Rokker> blegh
L650[17:06:39] <Rokker> anime
L651[17:07:01] <Fluburtur> what Rokker
said
L652[17:08:30] <GurrenLagannTSS>
Fluburtur, Rokker, [19:03:58] <legion> hey, that does
work.
L653[17:09:22] <Rokker> he's wrong
L654[17:10:13] <GurrenLagannTSS> he's
right
L655[17:15:18] <Rokker> Vega, Sirius,
Altair, Orion, Electra, Electra Jr, Super Electra, Lodestar,
Neptune, Little Dipper, Big Dipper, Constellation, Super
Constellation, Starliner, Saturn, Shooting Star, Starfire, SeaStar,
Hercules, Starfighter, another Orion, another Electra, Starlifter,
JetStar, JetStar II, Galaxy, Quiet Star, Tri Star, Warning Star,
Polaris, Agena
L656[17:15:28] <Rokker> Lockheed likes
stars
L657[17:15:41] <Fluburtur> well stars are
cool
L658[17:15:53] <Rokker> stars and
mythology
L659[17:16:33] <GurrenLagannTSS> another
Orion, another Electra
L660[17:16:34] <GurrenLagannTSS> lol
L661[17:17:11] <Rokker> oh and another
another Orion if you count the capsule
L662[17:17:17] <Fluburtur> uh I should
really make another hilt and handle for my saber
L663[17:17:22] <Rokker> but that's more
named cause of NASA than Lockheed
L664[17:17:27] <Fluburtur> the old one is
rather damaged and lose
L665[17:20:40] <GurrenLagannTSS> how about
another another another another another another Orion
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L676[18:52:50] <Eddi|zuHause> there'll be
plenty of Orions from here on out
L677[18:54:07] <Eddi|zuHause> there's an
old TV series from the 60s which feature a space ship
"Orion"
L678[18:55:44] <Eddi|zuHause> of course,
being a not-american TV series almost nobody in america will have
ever heard about it
L679[19:13:58] <Kalpa> I'm still sporting
mass shadow hawks
L680[19:14:18] <Fluburtur> I need to watch
the new episodes of the expanse
L681[19:14:31] <Kalpa> Third season is
here?
L682[19:14:35] <Fluburtur> yeah
L683[19:14:38] <Alanonzander> yep
L684[19:14:47] <Alanonzander> starting out
fairly good too
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L689[19:18:28] <Rokker> Fluburtur: people
are dumb
L690[19:18:41] <Fluburtur> yes
L691[19:18:57] <Rokker> Fluburtur: so i
found a tweet with footage of the WC-130 crash in georgia
L692[19:19:27] <Rokker> Fluburtur: people
think a bug that flew in front of the camera is a missile heading
towards the WC-130
L693[19:19:39] <Fluburtur> lmao
L694[19:19:46] <Fluburtur> it's an alien
spaceship obviously
L695[19:19:48] <Rokker> the same WC-130
they just watched bank to a >90 degree angle
L696[19:19:54] <Rokker> and then nosedive
into the ground
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L698[19:30:14] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: People talk of Rare Earths, but why not of
Rare Venuses!?
L699[19:30:47] <Fluburtur> because peoples
only care about themselves and the planet they are on
L700[19:31:04] <Fluburtur> makes me want
to know how many venus like planets there are out there
L701[19:31:17] <Scolar_Visari> They're
simply jealous they can't melt lead without using a fire..
L702[19:31:47] <Scolar_Visari> Fluburtur:
That's an amusing question, especially if we consider the strong
possibility that Venus was habitable ~1 bya.
L703[19:31:48] <Fluburtur> that's
something everyone should aspire to do
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L705[19:32:16] <Fluburtur> btw I will get
to work with mercury at my future job
L706[19:32:20] <Fluburtur> will be
nice
L707[19:32:38] <Scolar_Visari> The planet
or that wonky metal?
L708[19:33:01] *
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Corporation.
L709[19:33:02] <Fluburtur> planet, I will
be sent inside a probe so I can walk around
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L711[19:33:53] <Fluburtur> but actually I
will be thermometers and the ones for use aboce 200°c need
mercury
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L713[19:34:00] <Fluburtur> be making
thermometers*
L714[19:34:06] <Fluburtur> wtf is language
anyways
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L716[19:34:28] <Fluburtur> someone should
put that in the topic
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L719[19:34:55] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari: did
you hear Insight is only getting a 20% chance of launch for 30th
space wing
L720[19:35:01] <Rokker> they are worried
about visibility
L721[19:35:10] <Rokker> they are worried
it wont be... in sight
L722[19:35:27] <Fluburtur> Rokker
pls
L723[19:36:07] <Rokker> Fluburtur: altho
seriously tho, 20% chance of launc
L724[19:36:09] <Scolar_Visari> Fluburtur:
Temp-o-meters would likely be more accurate.
L725[19:36:10] <Rokker> which sucks
L726[19:37:44] <Fluburtur> when is it
supposed to launch?
L727[19:39:05] <Rokker> Fluburtur:
saturday
L728[19:39:38] <Fluburtur> k
L729[19:39:52] <Fluburtur> isn't there an
electron in the near future?
L730[19:40:11] <Rokker> Fluburtur:
blegh
L731[19:40:12] <Rokker> yes
L732[19:40:28] <Fluburtur> nice
L733[19:40:34] <Rokker> disagree
L734[19:40:49] <Fluburtur> it is a fun
rocket
L735[19:40:59] <Rokker> its an awful
company
L736[19:41:06] <Rokker> and founder
L737[19:41:20] <Fluburtur> worse than blue
origin?
L738[19:41:25] <Rokker> yes
L739[19:41:28] <Rokker> blue origin is
great
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L741[19:42:02] <Fluburtur> their rocket is
ugly
L742[19:42:06] <Fluburtur> and
useless
L743[19:42:26] <Rokker> Fluburtur: which
one
L744[19:42:37] <Fluburtur> the only one
they have so far
L745[19:42:41] <Fluburtur> and all the
others too
L746[19:42:53] <Rokker> New Glenn isnt
ugly, u are
L747[19:42:59] <Fluburtur> no u
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make up for the perceived aesthetic failings of the launch
vehicle.
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L750[19:44:14] <Fluburtur> no rocket
engine can beat the nk-33
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L752[19:44:24] <Rokker> Fluburtur: in
what, number of explosions?
L753[19:44:29] <Fluburtur> superior soviet
engineering
L754[19:44:41] <Rokker> superior failing
capabilities
L755[19:44:49] <Fluburtur> listen,
whatever the engine if you stuff that many in one place it will go
wrong
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L757[19:45:30] <Scolar_Visari> The NK-33's
not had that many failures. You're thinking of the NK-15
L758[19:45:51] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari: the
whole family is bad luck
L759[19:45:55] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
L760[19:46:07] <Rokker> Fluburtur: there
were only 2 of them on Antares
L761[19:46:13] <Fluburtur> the ones that
were hidden in some case for several decades then western spies
found out about them and didn't believe they were so good
L762[19:46:38] <Fluburtur> for real, the
russian engineers were very good at making engines
L763[19:46:55] <Scolar_Visari> Staged
combustion for the win.
L764[19:47:02] <Rokker> depends
L765[19:47:03] <Fluburtur> they made the
oxydiser rick turbopumps work
L766[19:47:08] <Rokker> they were good at
some things
L767[19:47:10] <Rokker> bad at
others
L768[19:47:15] <Fluburtur> and they had
developped pretty nice metalurgy
L769[19:47:18] <Rokker> just like the
americans
L770[19:47:42] <Fluburtur> they didn't
need none of that fancy titanium for the mig 25
L771[19:47:51] <Scolar_Visari> Some people
say it is better to increase thrust over specific impulse on a
first stage engine. Is it too much to ask for both?
L772[19:47:55] <Fluburtur> titanium that
they had to buy from russia via someone else
L773[19:48:07] <Rokker> thats because the
MiG-25 damages itself to hell when it hits mach 3
L774[19:48:15] <Rokker> it cant do
sustained mach 3
L775[19:48:19] <Rokker> so no need for
titanium
L776[19:49:00] <Rokker> Fluburtur: if they
used titanium in their engines, perhaps they could survive mach
3
L777[19:49:40] <Fluburtur> also their
planes didn't leak fuel all over the place when on the ground
L778[19:50:05] <Fluburtur> but well we are
gonna get into another endless argument because I like russian
planes better and im too tired for that
L779[19:50:08] <Rokker> Fluburtur: thats
because, once again, they didnt go fast enough for that to be a
useful feature
L780[19:50:15] <Rokker> Fluburtur: YOUR
OPINION IS WRONG
L781[19:50:20] <Fluburtur> yours too
L782[19:50:23] <Rokker> nope
L783[19:50:28] <Rokker> cause im
american
L784[19:50:35] <Fluburtur> how does that
matter
L785[19:50:42] <Rokker> because it means
im right
L786[19:50:47] <Scolar_Visari> Fluburtur:
Because something something exceptionalism something
something.
L787[19:50:52] <Rokker> ^
L788[19:50:53] <Fluburtur> the world
police jokes are fun but it isn't the case oyu know
L789[19:51:04] <Rokker> Fluburtur:
oi
L790[19:51:07] <Rokker> no politics
L791[19:51:28] <Fluburtur> k
L792[19:54:44] <Scolar_Visari> What on
Earth . . . "The necessity of creating a dependability in
transocianic flight was so great that the Hindenburg was torched
and the titanic was scuttled along with the lusitania."
L793[19:55:34] *
Scolar_Visari ponders if quoted individual was aware of the great
many of ocean liners built after the Titanic and Lusitania, like
the venerable Queen Mary and the luxurious Normandie.
L794[19:55:49] <KrazyKrl>
WhatInTarnation.Shiba.jpg
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L796[19:56:39] <Scolar_Visari> And it's
not like passenger aircraft built prior to the 50s tended to be a
lot like boats themselves.
L797[19:57:15] <KrazyKrl> Well, watercraft
and aircraft seem to have similar costs.
L798[19:58:32] <Scolar_Visari> Well, mind
you, said individual also thinks the major events of the last two
centuries were the product of a shadowy cartel of Elites.
L799[19:59:20] <KrazyKrl> Hey now... I'm
listening to countdown to armageddon.
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L801[19:59:56] <KrazyKrl> it's not so much
a cartel, as it is a community of idiots.
L802[19:59:58] <Scolar_Visari> Also: They
can't tell the difference between an Atlas V and an Atlas
ICBM.
L803[20:01:04] <Fluburtur> im trying to
pick a nice telescope for the surprise birthday of a friend
L804[20:01:19] <Fluburtur> kinda want to
go with a newtonian with motorized follow mount
L805[20:01:25] <Fluburtur> might visit the
shop that sells those
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L807[20:02:31] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
theres a difference?
L808[20:03:10] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari: are
you saying a 2 stage kerolox hydrolox rocket isnt used for
launching nukes at a moments notice? cause that sounds
implausible
L809[20:03:36] <Scolar_Visari> They seem
to be under the impression that Atlas Vs can be launched within
hours like an old ICBM.
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L828[20:03:55] <Scolar_Visari> You know,
ignoring that ICBMs didn't have to wait to be mated to an upper
stage and payload.
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L838[20:04:23] <KrazyKrl> I mean... the
boom part is kinda a payload.
L839[20:04:27] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
seems plausible
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L841[20:05:13] <Scolar_Visari> KrazyKrl:
Yeah, but it was already on top of the missile when it was in a
silo.
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L843[20:05:51] <Scolar_Visari> In a
nutshell: The person thinks that the X-37B can be launched within a
few days, ignoring reality.
L844[20:05:53] <KrazyKrl> Well, you can
send a whole lot of gerbils into space if you use an ICBM.
L845[20:06:44] <Scolar_Visari> I mean,
sure, there are no SRBs to add on to the X-37B launch
configuration, but it's not like ULA keeps a bunch of spare rockets
and personnel lying around on a moment's notice.
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L848[20:07:03] *
Scolar_Visari ponders airlifting Atlas V components.
L849[20:08:05] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari: i
mean we know that the CCB can be airlifted
L850[20:08:50] <Scolar_Visari> The
components, however, would still have to be subsequently assembled
and prepared for launch.
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L852[20:09:38] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari: its
pretty hard to hide an Atlas V preparing for launch too
L853[20:12:35] <Scolar_Visari> Said person
also thinks secret orbital launches are a thing.
L854[20:12:51] <Scolar_Visari> This
includes, amusingly, the Space Shuttles.
L855[20:13:49] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari:
i...
L856[20:13:54] <Rokker> wh...
L857[20:15:00] <Moonhound> Hiding a rocket
trying to break the gravity of earth? Nah.
L858[20:15:37] <Moonhound> Maybe an
aircraft with prototype propulsion that is silent and gives off no
heat and was 15 feet over my head sure
L859[20:15:49] <Moonhound> Dead
quiet
L860[20:16:26] <Moonhound> But even with
such propulsion systems... Someone would notice a massive craft
shooting straight up into the air.
L861[20:17:56] <Scolar_Visari> Moonhound:
I'm sure radar and infrared equipment made with the specific
purpose of monitoring launches would probably notice, too.
L862[20:17:59] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari: oh
this reminds me
L863[20:18:12] <Rokker> have you heard of
an amazing game called armor mmo
L864[20:18:51] <Moonhound> Even if they
had sci-fi engines, you're right, the size of a vehicle required
would get picked up by its mass alone
L865[20:19:51] <Scolar_Visari> MMOs are
evul.
L866[20:20:05] <Scolar_Visari> Moonhound:
Unlike The Expanse, we do not have magickal stealth ships!
L867[20:20:15] <cycloptivity> No obviously
its covered in both a plasma generated layer AND somehow absorbs IR
but also doesn't so its actually invisible
L868[20:20:18] <Moonhound> I mean there
was the entire Aurora project which .... Given the amounts of money
freely given to major airline companies states these projects would
surely have been completed....
L869[20:20:32] <cycloptivity> After all,
cloaking device is WAY simpler than magic carpet launch
system
L870[20:20:53] <Scolar_Visari> Magic
Carpet does sound like a sweet name for a small payload orbital LV
family.
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L872[20:21:02] <Moonhound> Interstellar
craft commissioned by the government to Boeing and Lockheed for
instance
L873[20:21:06] <Moonhound> BILLIONS of
dollars
L874[20:21:07] <Scolar_Visari> Or, better
yet: A multiple rocket launch system.
L875[20:21:12] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari: so
think war thunder/world of tanks/warplanes/warships style
game
L876[20:21:29] <Scolar_Visari> Rokker:
I'll consider it if they simply change all that to
Battletech.
L877[20:21:43] <Rokker> Scolar_Visari: no
no no listen, it gets really good
L878[20:21:59] <Scolar_Visari> Moonhound:
Do remember the USAF's had its fair share of aborted aerospace
projects ala Dynasoar and MOL.
L879[20:22:05] <Moonhound> The
"receipts" I guess you could call them claim completion
of said commissions. Yet we do not sail through the solar
system.
L881[20:22:25] <Moonhound> Yes alot of
failures
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L884[20:22:44] <Scolar_Visari> MOL and
Dynasoar weren't so much failures as they were simply
canceled.
L887[20:23:50] <Moonhound> That could be a
smoke show. They didnt even bother to cover their tracks on the
spaceplanes.
L889[20:24:18] <Moonhound> Tied into
government funding soooooo well documented
L890[20:24:30] <RandomJeb> the secret
space program is all conducted on the far side of the moon
L891[20:24:37] <Moonhound> Nah
L892[20:24:48] <Rokker> Moonhound: i
mean... the NRO half of mol wasnt declassified until 2012
L893[20:24:59] <Rokker> or was that
2014-15
L894[20:25:09] <Moonhound> a little
earlier wasn't it
L895[20:25:17] <Moonhound> came out with
the blue book stuff
L896[20:25:27] <Rokker> no, i was at the
declassification ceremony
L897[20:25:37] <Moonhound> Oh neat
L898[20:25:40] <RandomJeb> they're boiling
h3 out of the rocks for fuel and using ancient alien factories to
produce the space war machines that keep the enemy at bay
L899[20:25:50] <Moonhound> We are the
ancient aliens.
L900[20:25:52] <Rokker> Moonhound: got to
meet a few of the astronauts for it
L901[20:25:54] <Moonhound> calm it
down
L902[20:26:13] <Moonhound> Now that is
fucking magnanimous Rokker
L903[20:26:15] <Scolar_Visari> Moonhound:
It's hard to completely cover ones tracks with aerospace
development.
L904[20:26:19] <Moonhound> scuse the
cursing
L905[20:26:31] <TheKosmonaut>
Language
L906[20:26:53] <Moonhound> Reaching space
hits home is all. Apologies.
L907[20:32:13] <Rokker> Moonhound: met Bob
crippen, the first shuttle pilot, Richard truly, 2nd shuttle pilot
and former NASA admin, Karol Bobko, and then some guys who never
ended up flying after MOL was cancelled
L908[20:32:52] <Rokker> oh and General
Abramson who sorta helped lead the star wars initiative
L909[20:34:12] <Rokker> RandomJeb:
L910[20:34:18] <Rokker> Rokker:
L911[20:34:57] <Rokker> Rokker:
L912[20:35:11] <Rokker> Rokker:
L913[20:35:26] <Rokker> Rokker:
L914[20:36:16] <Rokker> Rokker:
L915[20:36:22] <Rokker> Rokker:
L916[20:36:29] <Rokker> Rokker:
L917[20:36:51] <Rokker> Rokker:
L918[20:37:18] <Rokker> Rokker:
L919[20:37:55] <Rokker> wat
L920[20:37:57] <Rokker> wtf
L921[20:38:00] <Rokker> sorry guys
L922[20:38:10] <Rokker> my phone must have
gotten water on it or something
L923[20:38:15] <Rokker> screen was going
weird
L924[20:39:37] <Rokker> set my phone down
for a second and it freaks out
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L927[20:44:38] <TheKosmonaut> Rokker:
lol
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L932[21:03:20] <Scolar_Visari> Hrm . . .
Perhaps there is no salvaging of a person who thinks the Cold War
was a hoax and that first stage engine restarts have always been a
thing?
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L934[21:11:34] <Scolar_Visari> That's not
far removed from a Flat Earther.
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L936[21:13:31] <Draconiator> It's
SOOOOOOOOOO annoying having to manually uninstall something that
won't uninstall normally...
L937[21:17:07] <Scolar_Visari> Delete
button and confirm?
L938[21:18:25] *
Scolar_Visari ponders if there's now hope for Battletech spinoff
games ala Aerotech.
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L940[21:20:22] <Scolar_Visari>
"SpaceX never built a telescope but guaranteed if they won a
contract they would have something better flying in 5 years for a
10th of the cost."
L941[21:20:28] <Scolar_Visari>
"SpaceX never built a telescope but guaranteed if they won a
contract they would have something passable flying in 20 years for
the same cost." FTFY
L942[21:21:34] <Rokker> ...
L943[21:22:14] <Eddi|zuHause> i always
press shift+delete just to spite it
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L946[21:27:27] <Scolar_Visari> Sigh . . .
"You could really push the envelope in
"self-assembly" by cutting out the NASA middle-man and
take the project straight to Elon Musk."
L947[21:28:03] *
Scolar_Visari wishes people who do not actually understand how
things work should default to not having an opinion, rather than
stating one based on ignorance in defiance of
humility.
L948[21:38:54] <Eddi|zuHause> i think you
don't understand how humans think :p
L949[21:40:13] <UmbralRaptop>
Incidentally, the graphs on Dunning and Krueger's actual paper are
way less dramatic than you might expect.
L950[21:41:28] <Eddi|zuHause> well, 98% of
people who talk about the dunning krüger effect haven't actually
read the study :p
L951[21:42:19] <UmbralRaptop> I think you
have to sci-hub it, though. =\
L952[21:44:11] <Eddi|zuHause> mind you,
i'm one of the 98%
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L982[23:53:08] <Althego> saturday is
insight
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L984[23:55:11] ***
GlassFragments is now known as GlassYuri
L985[23:56:00] <GlassYuri> I just
contacted customer support in chinese and they were able to resolve
my problem
L986[23:56:35] <Althego> you speak
chinese?
L987[23:56:48] <GlassYuri> that's the
thing, I don't
L988[23:57:04] <GlassYuri> I can write and
copypaste it, but not speak
L989[23:57:10] <Althego> ah
L990[23:57:29] <Althego> so it was not
phone
L991[23:57:32] <Rokker> Althego: 20%
chance of launch for insight atm
L992[23:57:47] <Althego> eh, i could watch
this, saturday afternoon
L993[23:57:55] <Althego> so probably no
launch
L994[23:58:21] <Althego> and let me guess,
next launch time is say wednesday 2 after midnight
L995[23:58:26] <Rokker> Althego: thats how
it looks atm
L996[23:58:27] <GlassYuri> my goal is to
learn enough to be dangerous at the end of this year, and then go
to shanghai in december to try it out
L997[23:58:52] <Althego> dangerous?
L998[23:59:00] <Althego> how are you
dangerous with a language?
L999[23:59:22] <Althego> unless radical
leftists kill you because you offended them
L1000[23:59:39] <Rokker> Althego: cause
there is a range visibility issue