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L2[00:26:32] <taniwha> no, you're too used to being able to see multiple scenery types easily.

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L4[00:27:01] <taniwha> if the current landscape is all you can see, rather than becoming anoying, you stop noticing it

L5[00:27:49] <taniwha> and then small anomalies that you may not have noticed before start standing out

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L8[00:33:10] <Althego> but i dont like red

L9[00:33:17] <Althego> i hate yellow

L10[00:33:39] <Althego> green blue grey maybe some purple

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L12[00:45:51] <Rokker> >hating red

L13[00:45:53] <Rokker> ew

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L21[01:09:09] <Althego> not red5 :)

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L26[01:57:00] <Rokker> Althego: i miss him

L27[02:00:19] <Althego> even with his super dad level puns

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L29[02:19:52] <RandomJeb> where did red5 go?

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L31[02:21:04] <Rokker> RandomJeb: eh he left

L32[02:21:07] <Rokker> drama

L33[02:21:18] <Rokker> like every other mod who has left

L34[02:23:53] <Althego> strange phenomenon known as life?

L35[02:24:04] <Althego> scientists are not sure if it exists :)

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L37[02:26:50] <Eddi|zuHause> life-doesn't-exist-conspiracy? sounds like the next big thing after fake-moonlanding and flat-earth-conspiracy

L38[02:27:07] <Eddi|zuHause> (not to mention Bielefeld)

L39[02:27:26] <snow> not to mention what?

L40[02:27:46] <Eddi|zuHause> exactly.

L41[02:28:45] <RandomJeb> I've been saying life doesn't exist for YEARS, finally science is catching up

L42[02:29:14] <Althego> yes, bielefeld

L43[02:29:35] <Althego> even i cant say it is actually exists. maybe it was just the station, and everything else is fake :)

L44[02:30:28] <snow> :-)

L45[02:56:14] <RandomJeb> bielefeld, australia, finland

L46[02:56:21] <RandomJeb> what do these three places have in common?

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L48[02:59:09] <Althego> humans live there

L49[02:59:14] <Althego> all on earth

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L55[03:38:12] <RandomJeb> Althego: no, none of those places actually exist!

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L58[03:42:51] <taniwha> RandomJeb: http://taniwha.org/~bill/what.png

L59[03:43:26] <kubi> your garden? :)

L60[03:44:12] <taniwha> heh, no. I took that pic near Nagoya

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L70[04:51:14] <Rokker> taniwha: monkeh

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L73[04:56:08] <Althego> probably japanese macaque

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L80[06:13:22] <RandomJeb> taniwha: silly internet theories about places not actually being real but the shadow government wants you to think they are for... reasons

L81[06:14:04] <RandomJeb> I'm sure they've implanted false memories of all my visits to finland because there's just baltic sea there

L82[06:22:25] <Althego> wait a sec i was in 2 out of 3 in those places

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L104[07:26:31] <Fluburtur> uh the plaster nozzle suffered some severe erosion

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L112[08:51:53] <ve2dmn> RandomJeb: is that like /r/MapsWithoutNZ/ on reddit?

L113[09:05:00] <RandomJeb> haven't been there so I can't comment

L114[09:11:19] <ve2dmn> I know at some point, someone was detained because they had never heard of New Zealand and when they showed her a map to point to where she was from, the map was missing New Zealand...

L115[09:12:49] <ve2dmn> I think eventually she was to call the Australian embassy instead which was able to 'confirm that NZ was actually a real place'

L116[09:16:01] <ve2dmn> I also with someone from Austria who could not call home because the phone operator he was speaking to (in china) had never heard of Austria... eventually he asked to be routed to Germany managed to call home from there...

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L123[09:57:58] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/254984631512858634/440889398788358144/frame.jpg

L124[10:12:51] <APlayer> So, I've been trying to write a program to calculate some stuff for weeks. I tried finding one on the internet, but failed horribly. Today, I had another idea... Found an online calculator that I got to solve my problem with 10 minutes of work.

L125[10:13:20] <Fluburtur> lel

L126[10:13:36] <Fluburtur> uh my back hurts a bit, I should go for a walk

L127[10:14:03] <APlayer> You might try to warm it up above one of your rockets

L128[10:14:19] <Fluburtur> what

L129[10:21:12] <APlayer> Heat is said to relieve back pains. ;-)

L130[10:24:52] <Deddly> Unless it's inflammation ;)

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L133[10:38:59] <ve2dmn> TIL about http://ipv4.icanhazip.com/

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L135[10:50:46] <ve2dmn> if heat relieve back pain, re-entry heat should make kerbal healthier... no?

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L139[10:56:09] <bees> ve2dmn: da, comrade

L140[10:56:23] <bees> ve2dmn: and then parachute jump for extra fitness

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L143[11:06:56] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/9d5d217fc79cd6c5b72954f45bb93292/tumblr_ova5e3oGYg1qd838bo1_540.jpg

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L145[11:16:36] <Fluburtur> I went to give some carrots to the goats

L146[11:16:43] <Fluburtur> goats are dun

L147[11:16:49] <Fluburtur> the tiny ones like being petted

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L149[11:23:31] <Draconiator> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xugDAhqELSI - IT'S TINYYYYYYYYYYY

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L160[11:49:35] <Draconiator> Hmmm, think I'm gonna try the Linux version of KSP.

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L166[12:20:44] <Draconiator> hmmm, won't even load heh

L167[12:23:50] <Fluburtur> yo drac

L168[12:25:26] <Fluburtur> I kinda want to make a new reusable launcher

L169[12:25:43] <Fluburtur> perhaps I can modify the koyuz heavy to have wings and land like a plane

L170[12:26:02] <Fluburtur> make it have a smaller payload so I can save fuel

L171[12:28:48] <Draconiator> hmmm. cool

L172[12:29:04] <Draconiator> can I help out?

L173[12:29:06] <Fluburtur> but before then I need to go sharpen my sword

L174[12:29:10] <Fluburtur> eh if you want

L175[12:29:16] <Fluburtur> we can make that a little challenge again

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L178[12:32:09] <APlayer> "then I need to go sharpen my sword" Do people in France usually carry swords?

L179[12:36:40] <Zarthus> yes, although to the ordinary human eye it might appear closer to a spear with a white towel on it.

L180[12:37:48] <Fluburtur> idk

L181[12:37:54] <Fluburtur> well usually have tin foil katanas

L182[12:37:57] <Fluburtur> weebs*

L183[12:38:04] <Fluburtur> but this one is made of proper steel

L184[12:40:52] <Althego> not everybody, but you should know by now that flub builds some random stuff

L185[12:42:42] <APlayer> "Buy my RC boat, else I will kill you with my sword! And if you run, I will launch rockets at you!"

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L188[12:51:44] <Fluburtur> sword: sharp

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L190[12:53:20] <Guest60955> Has anyone got any help for applying the 1.3.1 upgrade to 1.4.3? I run it, I point it to the 1.3.1 install directgory but it tells me I need to point it at a valid KSP install.

L191[12:53:53] <ve2dmn> hum?

L192[12:54:12] <ve2dmn> I just erase the folder and install the new version

L193[12:54:25] <ve2dmn> I didn't know there was a dowloadable patch

L194[12:54:45] <Guest60955> I'm not trying to do a new install...I'm trying to put in the upgrade so I don't have to reapply my mods

L195[12:55:11] <ve2dmn> you'll have to re-apply the mods anyway

L196[12:55:29] <ve2dmn> most will be incompatible

L197[12:56:46] <Guest60955> Hmm...maybe it's time to give up on KSP...if I want to upgrade it will lose all of the mods I've got and that will mean starting over every time I upgrade?

L198[12:57:19] <VanDisaster> usually if it's a major version, yes

L199[12:57:36] <Althego> actually there was no major release since 1.0 :)

L200[12:57:42] <Althego> only minors

L201[12:57:44] <VanDisaster> hence I have a seperate install going all the way back to 0.18

L202[12:57:48] <VanDisaster> oh hush

L203[12:58:04] <Guest60955> Then what is the point of having a patch release?

L204[12:58:13] <Guest60955> as opposed to just doing a full install?

L205[12:58:24] <Althego> patch releases normally work with the mods

L206[12:58:28] <Althego> minors dont

L207[12:58:33] <Althego> and there were no majors

L208[12:58:48] <ve2dmn> the difference between 1.4.0 and 1.4.1 is minor

L209[12:58:49] <Althego> so from 1.3.1 to 1.4.x it is incompatible

L210[12:58:55] <ve2dmn> ^

L211[12:59:49] <VanDisaster> sometimes they manage to break mods with patch releases too -_-

L212[13:00:15] <ve2dmn> I use a mod manager for that reason

L213[13:00:35] <Guest60955> so in the KSP store...it has a download to upgrade from 1.3.1 to 1.4.3...but it doesn't recognize the existing installation, and even if it did, I'd end up with the same thing as if I did a bare install of 1.4.3?

L214[13:01:39] <ve2dmn> I don't know why it doesn't recognise your install TBH

L215[13:02:58] <ve2dmn> the point, btw, is for you not to lose your saves.... but there is no garanty they will work

L216[13:03:04] <Althego> it is only smaller because it conatins the diff

L217[13:03:18] <Althego> otherwise shouldnt be different from a full isntall

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L219[13:04:05] <Guest60955> It may be related to whatever issue is causing my GeForce Experience app to also not recognize that I even have KSP installed. It is supposed to configure the graphics card to work optimally with games it recognizes, but has never recognized my ksp installations (only going back to 1.2)

L220[13:04:39] <ve2dmn> Guest60955: it's like tech support: since we know nothing about your setup, we offer the solution we know *will* work: have you tried a fresh install?

L221[13:05:12] <kubi> it is better to remove then install

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L223[13:06:02] <ve2dmn> Guest60955: nothing is stopping you from keeping both 1.3.1 AND 1.4.3 around in different places

L224[13:06:04] <Guest60955> No, I have not tried a fresh install. And I don't see how a fresh install requires a remove (if I rename the ksp folder so I can keep the one I'm already using.

L225[13:06:17] <kubi> sure

L226[13:06:22] <kubi> that is a solution too

L227[13:06:54] <Guest60955> I know a fresh install will work...the question was specific to the upgrade.

L228[13:06:56] <kubi> just make sure that it is not an update, but a fresh install

L229[13:07:12] <kubi> why would you whip yourself?

L230[13:07:42] <Fluburtur> well my sword isn't sharp enough to cut a water bottle cleanly in half but it is definitely sharp enough to seriously harm someone

L231[13:07:43] <ve2dmn> Guest60955: We get a lot of people who don't know they can keep more then 1 copy of KSP

L232[13:07:53] <Guest60955> I've downloaded both the full installation, and the patch, hoping I could install the patch without losing the mods and existing inprogress games...

L233[13:07:54] <Fluburtur> which is good because I plan on using it after the apocalypse

L234[13:08:15] <ve2dmn> Guest60955: do you use CKAN?

L235[13:08:54] <Guest60955> yes, I use ckan

L236[13:09:33] <ve2dmn> that would help upgrading the mods to the right version... so the patch would work

L237[13:10:39] <ve2dmn> but if you use CKAN, you could just export the list of mods and import it in the new install

L238[13:10:41] <Guest60955> the patch won't even install!! it keeps telling me I have to select a ksp install dir...and I selected the one I was using yesterday.

L239[13:10:50] <ve2dmn> then the only missing thing would be the saves

L240[13:11:55] * ve2dmn uses Steam, so can't be of any real good help otherwise

L241[13:11:57] <ve2dmn> sorry

L242[13:12:13] <Guest60955> ok, back to the drawing board...thanks for the info guys.

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L244[13:13:18] <ve2dmn> We don't bite (much). Come back and say hi.... or don't I guess

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L247[13:25:37] <GurrenLagannTSS> Heyyyy

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L255[14:08:55] <GurrenLagannTSS> dammit client

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L261[14:39:43] <Fluburtur> Rokker https://youtu.be/-LldeBqNsag

L262[14:39:43] <kmath> YouTube - Bell AH-1 Huey Cobra or SNACKE R/C Turbine Helicopter flight demonstration

L263[14:47:21] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PpHl65TCR4

L264[14:47:21] <kmath> YouTube - KSP career - To Dres and back for 1500 funds

L265[14:47:59] <Fluburtur> time to make a reusable launcher

L266[14:48:01] <Rokker> Fluburtur: mmmm

L267[14:48:13] <Rokker> Fluburtur: also, when are u gonna make a boatplane

L268[14:48:13] <Fluburtur> this one makes a rather nice sound

L269[14:48:22] <Fluburtur> I already made one

L270[14:48:25] <Fluburtur> and crashed it

L271[14:48:30] <Rokker> good

L272[14:48:37] <Fluburtur> no it was a nice plane

L273[14:48:41] <Rokker> boatplanes are an abomination

L274[14:50:00] <Fluburtur> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CznyU71HQY

L275[14:50:00] <kmath> YouTube - Homemade RC seaplane maiden on water and crash

L276[14:52:02] <Althego> did it fall down from the tree?

L277[14:52:07] <Fluburtur> not yet

L278[14:52:23] <Fluburtur> leaves started growing on the trees so I might not be able to see it anymore also

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L280[15:00:15] <Fluburtur> actually I should go see tomorrow

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L282[15:09:56] <APlayer> Fluburtur: Plane needs more struts

L283[15:11:11] <Fluburtur> eh

L284[15:11:16] <Fluburtur> needed to fly more slowly really

L285[15:11:27] <Fluburtur> and I needed to guesstimate distance better

L286[15:12:15] <ve2dmn> and while boatplane might be abominations, the CL-215 is actually quite useful

L287[15:16:34] <APlayer> Fluburtur: Also, in case you're interested, I tuned one axis' PID of the drone almost perfectly :-)

L288[15:16:44] <Fluburtur> nice

L289[15:16:59] <Fluburtur> roll and pitch should be able to use the same pid

L290[15:17:26] <APlayer> Apparently not. I thought that too, but pitch works well, while roll still has oscillations

L291[15:17:55] <APlayer> I'll use the pitch PID parameters initially, but I guess I'll have to adjust them for roll

L292[15:23:02] <Fluburtur> could probably have some relation between them

L293[15:23:14] <Fluburtur> also the rocket im building is weird, im sure transitbiker will like it

L294[15:24:37] <APlayer> I'm not sure whether that's characterises transitbiker or your rocket

L295[15:24:52] <Fluburtur> heh

L296[15:25:09] <GurrenLagannTSS> Hey guys

L297[15:26:08] <APlayer> Hi!

L298[15:27:30] <GurrenLagannTSS> Someone finally made a random planet generator for SimpleRockets

L299[15:28:28] <APlayer> Anyway, I need to go for today. See you!

L300[15:29:04] <GurrenLagannTSS> Bye!

L301[15:29:30] <GurrenLagannTSS> Random Planet Generator - https://www.reddit.com/r/SRmod/comments/8fqqkz/introducing_random_planet_generator/

L302[15:30:14] <Fluburtur> uh I wish it was possible to activate or deactivate control surfaces

L303[15:31:39] <GurrenLagannTSS> https://adamsvault.fun/RandomPlanetGen/ - Unmodded https://adamsvault.fun/RandomPlanetGen/ModPG.html - Modded

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L306[15:32:50] <GurrenLagannTSS> brb

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L311[15:55:49] <Fluburtur> first landing of the Koyuz G lower stage https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413109312802521098/440979598100922382/20180501225459_1.jpg

L312[15:56:04] <Fluburtur> however it is really unstable during reentry

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L316[16:17:42] <Fluburtur> when supersonic it flies very weird

L317[16:17:52] <Fluburtur> like if it was tail heavy but it is not

L318[16:29:41] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/440988184038342676/20180501232913_1.jpg

L319[16:29:49] <Fluburtur> this thing has a worse glide slope than the shuttle

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L323[16:56:48] <Fluburtur> I could probably sharpen my sword a bit more but the point is already extra pointy

L324[16:56:55] <Fluburtur> could kill someone rather easily

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L327[17:04:37] <UmbralRaptop> ;8ball Durandal?

L328[17:04:37] <kmath> UmbralRaptop: Yes definitely

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L332[17:36:27] <GurrenLagannTSS> Hey

L333[17:42:32] <UmbralRaptop> yeH

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L345[19:18:46] <Draconiator> Happy with the other drive for an emergency one so I took that out and installed what was my netbook drive. https://i.gyazo.com/c386e798a9f8b20fe059c716c650ba3c.png

L346[19:19:17] <Fluburtur> Draconiator https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/236560222133551104/440988184038342676/20180501232913_1.jpg

L347[19:19:23] <Fluburtur> it flies a bit like crap however

L348[19:20:45] <Draconiator> hmmm, maybe I can help, hang on.

L349[19:21:02] <Fluburtur> it flyes really unstable like back heavy but it is really nose heavy

L350[19:21:14] <Fluburtur> maybe the wings are too small or body lift is messing stuff up idk

L351[19:21:43] <Draconiator> those are 3 Vectors and a Whiplash right?

L352[19:22:02] <Fluburtur> yeah

L353[19:22:16] <Fluburtur> the whiplash can't make it really fly but rather slow down less

L354[19:24:07] <Fluburtur> the bigs wings are also filled with liquid fuel, gives about 600 for the whiplash which is more than enough

L355[19:24:30] <Fluburtur> uh it is 2am

L356[19:24:49] <Fluburtur> but I woke up super late so I guess I should just stay the night up and go to bed at 5pm next night

L357[19:25:53] <Fluburtur> it is cabable to lob a orange tank in a suborbital trajectory at about 2km/s at the end of the burn

L358[19:26:04] <Fluburtur> might use the rocket to send small sats and crew capsules

L359[19:26:29] <Fluburtur> however I think it is better to exit the atmo at a very shallow trajectory

L360[19:26:39] <Fluburtur> I need to try some of my designs with RSS

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L363[19:35:18] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.

L364[19:38:52] <Draconiator> Flub, what are you using to attach the engines?

L365[19:39:22] <Fluburtur> some adapters and clipping and structural cubes

L366[19:39:29] <Fluburtur> I can send you my rocket if you want

L367[19:41:07] <Fluburtur> actually I would like to put a smaller payload to extend the range of the first stage and land it on one of the runways of kebinside

L368[19:42:04] <Fluburtur> Draconiator https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ux7e2M3jVDJVm8G6qfHtVBPdPZvhWsIq/view?usp=sharing

L369[19:42:16] <Fluburtur> it has a funy interstage as well

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L372[19:47:33] <Draconiator> Yikes, too new Flub, contains locked or invalid parts, even if I changed the version number.

L373[19:48:08] <Fluburtur> uh yeah I play on the latest version

L374[19:48:50] <Fluburtur> basically the interstage has a nose cone it in for aerodynamics with a grider to attach a decoupler and a dairing plate under the nose cone to attach to the bottom of the upper stage

L375[19:48:56] <Fluburtur> quite clever design

L376[19:49:06] <Fluburtur> stays aerodynamic the whole flight

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L380[19:52:20] <Draconiator> I'm making my own version based on that picture.

L381[19:55:38] <Fluburtur> tell me how it goes

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L383[20:02:35] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/85cec5e2bb307439a10e69e136a4a273.jpg - Here's what I came up with, needs some tweaking though

L384[20:03:22] <Fluburtur> how are the aeros?

L385[20:04:50] <Draconiator> Flies nice.

L386[20:05:24] <Fluburtur> mine seems more streamlined

L387[20:06:49] <Fluburtur> just wish I could use some action group to lock all the control surfaces during ascent

L388[20:07:06] <Fluburtur> the wings are just used for reentry, they have no use during ascent

L389[20:11:03] <Draconiator> Made orbit with a bit of fuel left, 96KMx138KM

L390[20:11:26] <Fluburtur> no payload?

L391[20:13:11] <Draconiator> No payload, will tweak it later. maybe put a second stage on it.

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L393[20:13:48] <Fluburtur> my best designs are the one I make by accident when im just randomly throwing stuff together

L394[20:14:10] <Fluburtur> the original koyuz had no upper stage and was used to launch an asteroid miner and it flew like crap

L395[20:14:33] <Fluburtur> k919 and k29 were made by assembling parts randomly

L396[20:14:56] <Fluburtur> the krs7 shuttle I didn't even try and it worked unless all my other shuttles

L397[20:16:14] <Fluburtur> the koyuz and k919 ending up being absolute workhorses

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L401[20:26:26] * Nycticoraci o/

L402[20:26:54] <Nycticoraci> I had an interesting physics thought experiment today

L403[20:27:12] <Nycticoraci> might just be my sleep deprived state, but it amused me for a few minutes

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L405[20:28:10] <Nycticoraci> Basically, it was this. If you had a motionless orbital ring, with a ladder around the inside edge, could a person cause the ring to rotate by climbing the ladder

L406[20:28:26] <Nycticoraci> surprisingly not as trivial an answer as you might initially think

L407[20:28:35] <Fluburtur> well I would guess yes

L408[20:28:45] <Fluburtur> because to go "up" it needs to push "down"

L409[20:28:59] <Nycticoraci> ah, sorry, to rotate, and continue rotating*

L410[20:29:05] <UmbralRaptop> Define "motionless" and "orbital"

L411[20:29:13] <Nycticoraci> relatively speaking

L412[20:29:34] <Nycticoraci> a person holding onto the ladder is experiencing no net force

L413[20:29:37] <Nycticoraci> the ring is not currently rotating

L414[20:29:54] <Nycticoraci> obviously, the person is in freefall with the ring in orbit

L415[20:30:02] <Nycticoraci> but relative to the ring there is no force

L416[20:30:33] <Nycticoraci> Anyway, obviously when you initially push on the rail, the ring will start to rotate, but what happens when you grab the next rail

L417[20:30:47] <Nycticoraci> is there anyway to stop moving, without the ring also stopping

L418[20:30:48] <Fluburtur> basically the ring is in an empty universe with no force on it

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L420[20:32:56] <Nycticoraci> my thoughts were that as soon as you equalise your speed by touching the next rail, you're providing the counteracting force, and the rotation however small will stop. Meaning, if you keep climbing, the ring will keep moving at the same pace, but there's no way to impart more speed, then push away, leaving it spinning

L421[20:33:36] <Fluburtur> well if you push on it then let go it would keep spinning

L422[20:33:59] <Fluburtur> and the dude would fly in the opposite direction

L423[20:34:04] <Nycticoraci> only if you're external to it

L424[20:34:13] <Fluburtur> yeah

L425[20:34:28] <Nycticoraci> if you think of it as a habitation ring, it's then spinning around you, with you moving in the opposite direction

L426[20:34:37] <Nycticoraci> eventually you will touch it

L427[20:34:51] <Fluburtur> yeah

L428[20:35:02] <Nycticoraci> after all, you have no rotational momentum without it

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L430[20:35:14] <Fluburtur> incredible what sleep deprivation can do

L431[20:35:35] <Nycticoraci> yeah, i even forgot to submit my abstract for my thesis, and wrote it out this morning

L432[20:35:38] <Nycticoraci> :/

L433[20:36:01] <Fluburtur> well that's good brain gymnastics

L434[20:36:15] <Nycticoraci> thought experiments are great

L435[20:37:45] <Fluburtur> yeah

L436[20:37:55] <Nycticoraci> I suppose, if you were an astronaut trying to spin up a ring, you could do it from the centre. Impart force while strapped to the "unmoving" central section.

L437[20:38:10] <Nycticoraci> that has you external to it

L438[20:38:35] <Nycticoraci> of course, the force required that far in for enough torque would be... impractical

L439[20:38:53] <Fluburtur> a ring would also probably have a different moment of inertia betweenthe inside and outside ends relative to the rotation point so you could do something witht hat

L440[20:39:16] <Fluburtur> but since it would be a closed system I don't think you could make it spin up and stay "on" it

L441[20:39:23] <Nycticoraci> yeah

L442[20:39:32] <Nycticoraci> you'd have to be outside the system

L443[20:40:06] <Nycticoraci> if you think about the reality, where there's a motor involved, (electric or rocket), it's obviously always outside the system

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L445[20:41:01] <Nycticoraci> I suppose it's actually the same thing as jumping on the floor of a box in empty space

L446[20:41:02] <Fluburtur> well if you get a car, you actually transfer energy to the earth via the wheels but since the earth is so massive you don't make it move but rather it makes the car move

L447[20:41:12] <Nycticoraci> yeah

L448[20:41:31] <Fluburtur> as for rockets, you throw stuff outside at high speed so it counts as an open system I guess

L449[20:41:49] <Nycticoraci> likewise technically every time we use a satellite to do a gravity assist, we're slowing down a planet ever so slightly

L450[20:42:00] <Nycticoraci> such a tiny amount though

L451[20:42:07] <Fluburtur> yeah

L452[20:42:43] <Fluburtur> 3:42am is a great time to talk opf stuff like that

L453[20:42:53] <Nycticoraci> oh it's 9:42am here :P

L454[20:43:02] <Nycticoraci> I'm in australia

L455[20:43:51] <Fluburtur> france

L456[20:44:43] <Nycticoraci> I just burst out laughing because I was about to say something and realised it really shows how bad my priorities sometimes are.

L457[20:44:46] <Nycticoraci> I was going to say:

L458[20:45:24] <Nycticoraci> I wish my uni didn't take up so much of my time. I've got this great youtube series I was going to make for KSP, but I keep putting it off and have been working on it for about 8 months

L459[20:46:09] <Nycticoraci> I've been doing the math for a RSS moon mission, by hand. Absolutely every part, prior to building in game

L460[20:46:21] <Fluburtur> damn

L461[20:46:22] <Fluburtur> nic

L462[20:46:22] <Nycticoraci> then I'll build the rocket based on the math

L463[20:46:40] <Fluburtur> peoples that do that are above normal humans

L464[20:46:53] <Fluburtur> extremely tryhard, so much that it is proper rocket science

L465[20:47:26] <Nycticoraci> well, 1960's rocket science, given it's just using Newtonian physics

L466[20:47:35] <Nycticoraci> if I had to include relativity, fuckkk.

L467[20:47:46] <Nycticoraci> that and N body problems

L468[20:47:54] <Nycticoraci> thank god KSP uses patched conics

L469[20:48:14] <Fluburtur> yeah

L470[20:48:22] <Nycticoraci> I'm an engineer, so I love solving these kinds of problems

L471[20:48:26] <Fluburtur> also it is against the rules to say bad words, better let you know

L472[20:48:30] <Nycticoraci> oh

L473[20:48:32] <Nycticoraci> sorry

L474[20:48:43] <Nycticoraci> Aussie, so just comes out. I'll keep it in mind

L475[20:49:09] <Fluburtur> is fine

L476[20:49:12] <Nycticoraci> the most satisfying moment was when I wasn't sure about my burn calculations

L477[20:49:30] <Nycticoraci> so I came across the the actual apollo 11 flight plan that they would have had on-board

L478[20:49:33] <Fluburtur> I guess I can call myself an engineer but more about mechanical stuff

L479[20:49:45] <Nycticoraci> at first I thought I mucked up

L480[20:49:51] <Nycticoraci> then I realised it was in ft/sec

L481[20:50:06] <Fluburtur> heh

L482[20:50:06] <Nycticoraci> my numbers were bang on, and I was like YEAHHHHH! that's nasa maths

L483[20:50:18] <UmbralRaptop> Nycticoraci: language

L484[20:50:23] <Fluburtur> time to call space agencies and be like "yo hire me"

L485[20:50:55] <Nycticoraci> sorry UmbralRaptop, I hadn't read the rules, fluburtur already told me

L486[20:51:03] <UmbralRaptop> ah

L487[20:52:03] <Nycticoraci> well, that's my dream job. When the Aussie parliament announced they'll be creating the australian space agency in the next decade or so, i was like, that's where I'll work

L488[20:52:21] <UmbralRaptop> And yeah, it's amusing how much KSP can teach you about aerospace engineering and astrodynamica.

L489[20:52:22] <Fluburtur> yeah

L490[20:52:40] <Fluburtur> australia already has launch sites even

L491[20:52:43] <Nycticoraci> My degree's are actually in electronic engineering and computer science, but they'll definitely have need of those

L492[20:53:11] <Fluburtur> wire up dem engine sensors

L493[20:53:37] <Nycticoraci> more like, program the autonomous mining satellite constellations :D

L494[20:54:00] <Fluburtur> heh

L495[20:54:13] <Fluburtur> well it's good to know there is nerds like you in space agencies

L496[20:54:14] <Nycticoraci> my thesis is actually working with autonomous drones and object recognition, though this is hexacopters etc

L497[20:54:23] <Nycticoraci> not yet, but soon hopefully

L498[20:54:23] <Nycticoraci> :P

L499[20:55:03] <Fluburtur> I do some rocket science myself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaWfyKZAP58

L500[20:55:03] <kmath> YouTube - entropy 10 close up

L501[20:55:42] <Fluburtur> I foudn the downside of those plaster nozzle, extreme erosion

L502[20:56:04] <Nycticoraci> not to mention slag build up by the looks of it

L503[20:56:08] <Fluburtur> yeah

L504[20:56:18] <Fluburtur> unburned potassium nitrate apparently

L505[20:56:30] <Nycticoraci> you'd need to make it less self-adhesive, so it falls off in the exhaust

L506[20:56:44] <Fluburtur> nah I need to refine the chemistery

L507[20:56:53] <Fluburtur> and improve the nozzle design a bit

L508[20:57:04] <Fluburtur> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5i55WwqU-3PE4-T8DaokfynMq_ejrvXI

L509[20:58:03] <Nycticoraci> yeah when you think about it, the physics is fairly trivial once you simplify to patched conics etc, but the chemistry and plumbing is complex as ___

L510[20:58:17] <Nycticoraci> idk if "opposite of heaven" is considered a swear

L511[20:58:24] <Fluburtur> not really

L512[20:58:32] <Fluburtur> I say crap and damn all the time

L513[20:58:43] <Nycticoraci> it wouldn't be in australia, but some places wouldn't like it

L514[20:58:59] <Nycticoraci> There's so much swearing in everyday vernacular here in Aus

L515[20:59:13] <Fluburtur> heh

L516[20:59:48] <Nycticoraci> I've had lecturers swear mid lecture without even realising it

L517[21:00:13] <Fluburtur> not bad

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L519[21:00:33] <Fluburtur> how does it compare to scottish peoples?

L520[21:00:37] <NightHawk043> hmm

L521[21:01:12] <NightHawk043> well, while I'm descended from the scotts I haven't really met many who are still from there

L522[21:01:18] <NightHawk043> so can't really say

L523[21:02:01] <NightHawk043> (btw just realised my reddit account is this so probably easier if I use this name rather than my new one)

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L526[21:05:21] <Fluburtur> eh I never go to reddit

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L528[21:07:50] <NightHawk043> Ah it's more that I try to be consistent with names for each gaming community that I'm a part of

L529[21:08:36] <Fluburtur> makes sense

L530[21:09:09] <NightHawk043> Do you use textures unlimited by any chance?

L531[21:09:28] <Fluburtur> nah the only mod I use is kerbinside

L532[21:09:34] <NightHawk043> ah k

L533[21:10:36] <NightHawk043> I just installed it, and it's throwing up a warning saying I'm using the Direct3D9 graphics api, but I've got -force-glcore in my command line, so it should be using the openGL core

L534[21:10:37] <NightHawk043> idk

L535[21:11:14] <NightHawk043> my game takes so long to start up, apparently currently I've got 113 mods running

L536[21:11:25] <Fluburtur> damn

L537[21:11:27] <NightHawk043> but some of those are multiple parts of one mod

L538[21:11:35] <Fluburtur> there is 2 types of peoples

L539[21:11:38] <NightHawk043> like the near future stuff, and the UKS

L540[21:11:47] <Fluburtur> 0-3 mods and 100+

L541[21:11:49] <NightHawk043> oh not UKS

L542[21:11:50] <NightHawk043> USI

L543[21:12:07] <NightHawk043> ah but some of them are amazing

L544[21:12:18] <NightHawk043> so many are graphics tho

L545[21:13:03] <Fluburtur> I also use bda in another instal

L546[21:13:19] <NightHawk043> I mean, I love the extra challenge of having to do a rescue mission, when they're running out of supplies, and I've got kerbal construction time, so rockets also take time to build

L547[21:13:29] <NightHawk043> you have to have rescue rockets pre-built and standing by

L548[21:13:49] <Fluburtur> yeah

L549[21:13:54] <Fluburtur> hangar full of rockets

L550[21:14:54] <Fluburtur> I guess my koyuz would take long to build

L551[21:15:01] <Fluburtur> it is a big and powerful rocket

L552[21:15:15] <NightHawk043> I usually have 1-3 rockets for LKO up to mun orbit, and then my next 2-3 missions pre-built

L553[21:16:04] <Fluburtur> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1evlV8b5IQX8zfoL6flQkF_3B2TG7UUSwUkYbnHTPeF4/edit?usp=sharing

L554[21:16:25] <NightHawk043> ahah nice doc

L555[21:16:54] <Fluburtur> and that's the rocket that goes with it https://drive.google.com/file/d/131n6aiBzosgMoiTt-o5VTYfz2AcgBlKt/view?usp=sharing

L556[21:17:10] <NightHawk043> reminds me of when I wrote a "mission proposal" for my 5 stage Jool 500 run

L557[21:17:21] <NightHawk043> 5 stage meaning 5 mission stages, not a 5 stage rocket

L558[21:18:06] <NightHawk043> jool 500 meaning to send 500 colonists and associated colony equipment to set up 5 colonies on the moons

L559[21:18:15] <Fluburtur> crap

L560[21:18:18] <NightHawk043> boy that was a big challenge

L561[21:18:27] <Fluburtur> you don't do it haldway don't you

L562[21:18:36] <NightHawk043> go big or go home

L563[21:18:41] <NightHawk043> that's my motto

L564[21:18:43] <NightHawk043> well

L565[21:18:47] <Fluburtur> heh

L566[21:18:52] <Fluburtur> mine is ride or die

L567[21:18:52] <NightHawk043> go big, or get back to work and stop mucking about

L568[21:18:57] <Fluburtur> most often ride and die

L569[21:19:14] <NightHawk043> my space agency is very un-kerbal like

L570[21:19:30] <NightHawk043> I think I've only lost 1 kerbal in the past 10 months of real-time

L571[21:19:41] <NightHawk043> Poor Jenson

L572[21:19:47] <Fluburtur> heh

L573[21:20:03] <NightHawk043> well

L574[21:20:12] <NightHawk043> to be precise, 1 kerbal due to unforced error

L575[21:20:23] <NightHawk043> I do reverts if there's a kraken incident

L576[21:21:20] <Fluburtur> damn kraken eh

L577[21:21:26] <Fluburtur> don't have that too much

L578[21:21:55] <NightHawk043> I used to get it all the time with big ground bases

L579[21:22:08] <NightHawk043> was so glad that USI stuff allowed the bases to be unconnected

L580[21:22:32] <NightHawk043> they just have to be near eachother

L581[21:22:43] <Fluburtur> one time I got at several times the speed of light during a submarine incident

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L583[21:24:37] <NightHawk043> I once had a sat enroute to eeloo that basically separated at every joint, and then sat next to eachother in a slowly expanding cloud of 243 parts

L584[21:24:42] <NightHawk043> well

L585[21:24:48] <NightHawk043> a rocket, not really a sat

L586[21:24:59] <Fluburtur> heh

L587[21:25:09] <Fluburtur> I did something similar once

L588[21:25:28] <NightHawk043> mind you, I always remember what the game was like when I first got it, and how much it had come

L589[21:25:41] <Fluburtur> strapped 32 relay sats to a rocket, sent it to a low mun flyby and separated them in every direction halfway between kerbin and the mun

L590[21:25:49] <Fluburtur> made my game lag like hell

L591[21:25:53] <NightHawk043> the ground on the far side of kerbin would sometimes have the physical ground a 1km different to the visible ground

L592[21:26:06] <Fluburtur> yeah I remember the old days

L593[21:26:19] <Fluburtur> 0.25 I think I got the game

L594[21:27:04] <Fluburtur> also I have a koyuz that I randomly launched and let it go straight up

L595[21:27:15] <Fluburtur> somehow got a jool gravity assist

L596[21:27:21] <Fluburtur> ap is 240 years away

L597[21:27:28] <Fluburtur> pure luck

L598[21:27:34] <NightHawk043> I came in somewhere around 0.9

L599[21:27:47] <NightHawk043> that's .9 not .90

L600[21:27:54] <Fluburtur> damn that's early

L601[21:28:06] <Fluburtur> I have some screenshots and videos from the older versions

L602[21:28:13] <NightHawk043> yeah, back then there wasn't an orbital map or anything

L603[21:28:14] <Fluburtur> planes didn't have sas back then

L604[21:28:20] <NightHawk043> certainly no other planets

L605[21:28:21] <Fluburtur> could infiniglide witht he control surfaces

L606[21:28:22] <NightHawk043> yeah

L607[21:28:39] <NightHawk043> of course, back then there wasn't really "planes"

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L609[21:28:57] <Fluburtur> well when I came in it was possible to make them

L610[21:28:59] <NightHawk043> this was before c7's mod parts became stock

L611[21:29:14] <Fluburtur> I have many more planes than rockets now

L612[21:29:23] <Fluburtur> along with a few submarines and rovers/trucks

L613[21:30:12] <NightHawk043> I loved building SSTO's but I went off them for a while when in RSS the 3-part layout of the runway caused the planes to bounce and explode 1/3 of the way along due to a tiny height difference

L614[21:30:29] <Fluburtur> heh

L615[21:30:37] <Fluburtur> I never got a working ssto

L616[21:30:41] <NightHawk043> I used to land them with balanced parachutes instead lol

L617[21:30:53] <NightHawk043> gave up trying to runway land them with that stuff

L618[21:31:03] <Fluburtur> I have a few that could barely orbit and barely deorbit

L619[21:31:18] <Fluburtur> I covnerted one of my planes to ssto for a challenge

L620[21:31:24] <Fluburtur> did one orbit and landed on the runway

L621[21:31:39] <Fluburtur> I have a shuttle that works very well and I can land it very accurately most of the time

L622[21:31:53] <NightHawk043> The trick is to start with a small payload ssto first. Properly designing the bigger ones is a lot harder

L623[21:32:06] <NightHawk043> though, I've always used FAR so that might also be part of the extra difficulty

L624[21:32:13] <Fluburtur> my shuttle is for crew only

L625[21:32:19] <NightHawk043> well

L626[21:32:21] <Fluburtur> made a payload version but it isn't as good

L627[21:32:24] <NightHawk043> crew is part of payload :P

L628[21:32:28] <Fluburtur> I use it as a taxi for my station

L629[21:32:47] <Fluburtur> I changed the orbit of my station to suit the shuttle even

L630[21:33:56] <NightHawk043> You really only need enough to get it to a 70km orbit with a 5% fuel margin (though I always aim for 20%). Then you use either RCS or a super efficient low thrust for orbital manuevers

L631[21:34:17] <NightHawk043> ion or nerva if you have it, otherwise a standard vac engine

L632[21:34:58] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413109312802521098/441064963889692673/20171224141722_1.jpg

L633[21:35:35] <NightHawk043> is that using a vektor?

L634[21:35:41] <Fluburtur> yeah

L635[21:36:16] <NightHawk043> it's hard to get the fuel up enough using purely LFO engines

L636[21:36:48] <NightHawk043> I tend to use either rapiers, or a combo of ram, and an LFO engine

L637[21:37:01] <NightHawk043> you use the RAM up near it's max altitude

L638[21:37:06] <NightHawk043> I think I aim for 17k?

L639[21:37:12] <NightHawk043> and just build up as much speed as you can

L640[21:37:37] <NightHawk043> then you use the rocket engine to push you that little bit further

L641[21:37:51] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413109312802521098/441065705908207646/20170625201128_1.jpg

L642[21:37:57] <NightHawk043> basically, you need to get as much of your velocity as possible out of the LF engines, as they're a higher efficiency

L643[21:38:14] <NightHawk043> well, that's not SSTO :P

L644[21:38:23] <Fluburtur> nah but it works nicely

L645[21:38:49] <NightHawk043> Do you try to recover the boosters and tank?

L646[21:39:03] <Fluburtur> nah

L647[21:39:07] <Fluburtur> I probably could

L648[21:39:18] <Fluburtur> on the rocket I sent you it is possible to land the two main stages

L649[21:39:24] <NightHawk043> If you can recover them, then you can get improve the cost/mission

L650[21:39:29] <NightHawk043> basically do a spacex

L651[21:39:34] <NightHawk043> even if you parachute land

L652[21:39:38] <Fluburtur> I always play sandbox

L653[21:39:44] <NightHawk043> ah fair enough

L654[21:39:47] <NightHawk043> I always career

L655[21:41:13] <Fluburtur> the big rocket can send 200t to lko

L656[21:41:25] <Fluburtur> and probablyup to 15 up to jool

L657[21:42:51] <NightHawk043> I really need to set myself up standard launch vehicles

L658[21:43:01] <NightHawk043> I tend to purpose build every rocket

L659[21:43:03] <NightHawk043> I mean

L660[21:43:15] <NightHawk043> part of it is because is career mode, you're unlocking things as you go along

L661[21:43:19] <Fluburtur> I want to make myself smaller rockets but I often ends up using the koyuz

L662[21:43:39] <Fluburtur> I started making the koyuz g today, the first stage has wings to land like a plane

L663[21:44:03] <NightHawk043> I used to have a GSO sat-launcher that just used 2 SRB's

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L665[21:44:22] <NightHawk043> You tuned the fuel amounts slightly for different payload masses

L666[21:44:23] <Fluburtur> well as long as it works

L667[21:44:30] <NightHawk043> and it put you roughly in a GTO

L668[21:45:03] <NightHawk043> it was certainly cheap

L669[21:45:53] <Fluburtur> uh I wanted to stay awake for another 10 hours but im getting really tired

L670[21:46:15] <Fluburtur> if I go to bed now and wake up at 10 am that will be about 5 hours of sleep

L671[21:46:24] <Fluburtur> I think I sleep well when I go to 6

L672[21:46:38] <Fluburtur> so maybe I should go to bed now and try to get up at 10am

L673[21:47:10] <NightHawk043> Most important part is to manage to avoid inverting your sleep schedule

L674[21:47:23] <NightHawk043> nothing worse than having an entire week of sleeping during the day, and awake at night

L675[21:47:27] <Fluburtur> usually I fully invert it then reverse it back to normal

L676[21:47:43] <Fluburtur> takes me about a week and a half to do a full cycle

L677[21:47:51] <NightHawk043> I used to joke that I lived on martian time. then I did some research and realised I was being stupid

L678[21:47:58] <NightHawk043> because of how similar the martian day is to ours

L679[21:49:08] <Fluburtur> yeah

L680[21:49:19] <Fluburtur> anyways im going, will try to not screw up

L681[21:50:08] <NightHawk043> Ciao

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L696[23:04:31] <Guest98731> Hello everyone

L697[23:04:54] <Guest98731> Can anyone recommend me some cool Rocket Part Mods and especially cool RPM IVA Pods that work in 1.4.3?

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L705[23:58:51] <Althego> haha too small? the current biggest rocket? https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/04/boeing-slams-the-falcon-heavy-rocket-as-too-small/

L706[23:58:56] <Althego> and bfr in the works