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L35[02:56:13] <GlsFrg|phone> Althego: I cleared the touhou game on normal
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L37[03:11:06] <Blaank> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Telescopic_images_of_2018-017A_%28Falcon_Heavy_upper_stage_with_Tesla_Roadster_and_Starman%29_moving_through_space2.png Keep on rocking, Starman.
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L41[03:16:33] <Blaank> The car's sound system was looping the Bowie song "Space Oddity"[19][20] as a symbolic gesture[21] even though the car's speakers cannot emit sound in space.
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L71[07:10:41] <GurrenLagannTSS> Thomas, Had you found a fix for that dark planet bug?
L72[07:23:40] <GurrenLagannTSS> wait a minute
L73[07:23:54] <GurrenLagannTSS> it appears i fixed it without even knowing
L74[07:24:16] <GurrenLagannTSS> oh nvm it dissapears far away
L75[07:26:44] <GurrenLagannTSS> i guess i have to abandon my Tyche analouge
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L79[07:39:03] <Fluburtur> progress is being made https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/439405063719354368/ayyyy.jpg
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L82[07:49:19] <GurrenLagannTSS> How do i make a star orbiting Kerbol/Sun?
L83[07:50:18] <GurrenLagannTSS> Using Kopernicus
L84[07:54:56] <GurrenLagannTSS> Anyone ever created a star orbiting Kerbol/Sun using Kopernicus? I mean White Guardian is not here, the dev of Kopernicus is always busy, HyperEdit's dev is away...
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L86[08:17:15] <Thomas> You might have more luck at the Kopernicus Discord, I rarly check IRC anymore
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L88[08:32:05] <GurrenLagannTSS> :(
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L90[08:41:10] <GurrenLagannTSS> I figured out myself
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L92[09:03:10] <GurrenLagannTSS> wait
L93[09:03:20] <GurrenLagannTSS> 1.4.3 just released?
L94[09:03:43] <GurrenLagannTSS> and my crappy pc cant run it
L95[09:03:45] <GurrenLagannTSS> rip
L96[09:05:12] <ve2dmn> GurrenLagannTSS: I'm not sure where you live, but I bought a refurbished laptop for my dad for cheap
L97[09:05:24] <ve2dmn> if you have any sort of income, you could look into thoses
L98[09:05:27] <GurrenLagannTSS> i live in Brazil
L99[09:05:36] <GurrenLagannTSS> evverything expensive here
L100[09:06:44] <GurrenLagannTSS> i made Nemesis in KSP
L101[09:09:57] <Eddi|zuHause> why is there never a changelog in steam announcements?
L102[09:10:06] <GurrenLagannTSS> IDK
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L105[09:17:11] <ve2dmn> I gave 10 laptops to the recycling facility yesterday and got a 1year-old Dell E6430S for a bit over 315CDN
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L107[09:21:41] <Mat2ch> yay, finally I can finish my Duna hopping without all the landing legs exploding
L108[09:22:08] <GurrenLagannTSS> lol
L109[09:22:32] <GurrenLagannTSS> notagoodastronaut would be soo happy
L110[09:25:30] <kubi> nah
L111[09:25:43] <kubi> will see if it is backward compatible with all mods
L112[09:26:18] <ve2dmn> kubi: I sure hope so... else, I'll have no excuses not to work
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L114[09:29:35] <ve2dmn> This kills the velocity: https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/8f68eh/how_to_kill_most_of_your_vertical_velocity/
L115[09:31:17] <Mat2ch> I see nothing wrong here
L116[09:31:52] <Mat2ch> they were dangerous engines, somebody had to deal with them!
L117[09:35:27] <GurrenLagannTSS> Diving into my custom brown dwarf
L118[09:38:25] <Fluburtur> uh making that side window is hard
L119[09:38:27] <Fluburtur> http://fandavions.free.fr/grandes_photos/arsenal-vg33-2.jpg
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L121[09:48:48] <GurrenLagannTSS> I'm creating a planetary system around my custom brrown dwarf Kemesis
L122[09:58:48] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/ITWCvlloZBw
L123[10:01:59] <ve2dmn> https://78.media.tumblr.com/d1847d32bbbbd1feb432f52d2a1d25ad/tumblr_p7tl6yPI991wjfvwjo1_1280.png
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L127[10:21:56] <UmbralRaptor> https://twitter.com/moffmiyazaki/status/989882335150555141
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L129[10:23:52] <Fluburtur> APlayer look https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/439405063719354368/ayyyy.jpg
L130[10:24:18] <APlayer> Nice! Have you done this for the rocket plane?
L131[10:24:33] <Fluburtur> nah that's another project
L132[10:24:41] <Fluburtur> scale WWII plane
L133[10:25:50] <ve2dmn> UmbralRaptor: ... what is it?
L134[10:26:04] <ve2dmn> is it the Jaxa probe mockup?
L135[10:27:00] <UmbralRaptor> Of Hayabusa 2 and Ryugu, yes.
L136[10:28:03] <ve2dmn> look somewhat real-ish
L137[10:34:21] <GurrenLagannTSS> Hey APlayer !
L138[10:34:31] <APlayer> Hi! Did you fix your mod?
L139[10:35:34] <GurrenLagannTSS> Yes!
L140[10:35:49] <GurrenLagannTSS> Well sort of
L141[10:36:29] <GurrenLagannTSS> It still turns black when farther than around 400,000 km away from the center of the object
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L143[10:39:24] <APlayer> Huh
L144[10:40:20] <Eddi|zuHause> huh let the dogs out?
L145[10:40:36] <ve2dmn> HB
L146[10:44:16] <ve2dmn> btw, today is the early unlock for KSP on HumbleMonthly....
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L149[10:46:59] <kuzetsa> sanity check: compiz is a sensible window manager which has GPU-accelerated compositing and theoretically gets rid of tearing-type issues (vsync or whatever is invovled) "for free" (the overhead is theoretically not an issue)
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L151[10:47:37] <GurrenLagannTSS> APlayer, do you have a complete fix of the dark planet bug? The kopernicus dev, Thomas, has sorta left irc
L152[10:48:22] <kuzetsa> ^ offtopic-ish. I'm having some annoying issues with my window manager (I think it's to blame) in KSP and other non-KSP things where frames sometimes have an annoying line. I could probably get a screenshot but on windows vsync always fixed it.
L153[10:54:44] <ve2dmn> compiz is still around?
L154[10:56:13] <kuzetsa> I don't think it is actually. I just peeked under the hood and I'm just using whatever compositing is built into marco ::facepalm::
L155[10:57:42] <kuzetsa> ~20 months ago (2-ish years maybe?) I was using fancy window effects but turned it off to reduce overhead and get more consistent experience. Not sure if I was using an overlay for that but I'm 90% sure compiz was involved (really might be gone now. I can't find it in the portage tree. oops)
L156[10:59:26] <GurrenLagannTSS> 20 months is around 1.5 years
L157[10:59:51] <APlayer> GurrenLagannTSS: No, I do not. I mentioned yesterday that I have no idea how this works
L158[11:00:00] <GurrenLagannTSS> oh
L159[11:00:05] <GurrenLagannTSS> rip planets
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L161[11:02:40] <kuzetsa> GurrenLagannTSS: yep. 2-ish years is greater than 20 months. intent was to say I'm not sure and it may have been longer than 1.7 years ago.
L162[11:03:03] <GurrenLagannTSS> yep
L163[11:03:07] <kuzetsa> (and 1.5 is more of rounding error than 1.7 on that)
L164[11:03:11] <Althego> what is this, mars launch window?
L165[11:03:46] <GurrenLagannTSS> but there would be no logic if you remenbered events that you experienced before your birthday
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L167[11:05:28] <Fluburtur> uh the side windows of the cockpit of that plane are so hard to make
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L169[11:07:11] <Althego> believe me, any window is hard to make
L170[11:09:01] <Althego> windows 10 april update... it is almost may you lazy redmond people
L171[11:10:14] <ve2dmn> But they are technically correct
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L173[11:10:51] <Althego> when the update gets to me it will be may
L174[11:10:52] <ve2dmn> (the update was previously cancelled because it caused issues)
L175[11:10:57] <Althego> as i know these people
L176[11:11:14] <Althego> they stagger the deployment
L177[11:11:25] <Althego> and it was always late for me
L178[11:11:41] <Althego> even regular tuesday pathes are late 1-2 days
L179[11:11:46] <ve2dmn> because you have a different locale?
L180[11:11:51] <Althego> and?
L181[11:11:55] <Althego> the code is the same
L182[11:12:18] <Althego> it is an english windows btw
L183[11:12:32] <ve2dmn> ok, then it's just sad
L184[11:13:07] <Althego> that reminds me there should be a new nvidia driver
L185[11:13:11] <ve2dmn> because in the case of 'different locale' I've seen plenty of stupid errors in the past that could have been avoid by 'not being monolingual'
L186[11:13:17] <Althego> not that septerra core needs any of that :)
L187[11:13:29] <Althego> yes i know there are issues
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L189[11:14:04] <Althego> easy to do. have a huge headless server farm set up them with different locales and deploy on them as a test
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L191[11:14:49] <ve2dmn> I'm sure it's already automated on that front
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L194[11:15:26] <ve2dmn> I'm talking more 'subtle' things...
L195[11:15:44] <ve2dmn> like putting the AZERTY keyboard as default in fr-ca locales
L196[11:16:09] <ve2dmn> it's cute, except I can't type my password
L197[11:16:24] <GurrenLagannTSS> bbrb
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L200[11:16:36] <Althego> hehe
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L205[11:20:38] <Althego> btw if you cant type your password, you have it incorrectly
L206[11:20:51] <Althego> you should know, like there shouldnt be 0, z, y in passwords
L207[11:21:01] <Althego> in your case not even a
L208[11:21:14] <ve2dmn> or m or l or ; or ...
L209[11:21:24] <Althego> anything that is on a different position
L210[11:22:22] <ve2dmn> also: any number
L211[11:23:00] <Althego> maybe time to migrate to fingerprint recognition :)
L212[11:23:04] <Eddi|zuHause> good luck typing passwords on dvorak :p
L213[11:23:09] <Althego> hehe
L214[11:23:14] <ve2dmn> or Bépo
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L216[11:24:10] <Althego> i dont like biometric. that may tempt people to cut your finger or something. yes, supposedly checks for blood movement, but that doesnt always work too well
L217[11:24:39] <Eddi|zuHause> i even have trouble typing on keyboards that have slightly different key shapes
L218[11:24:54] <Althego> neural interface ftw
L219[11:25:25] <Althego> lol intel usb neural network
L220[11:25:27] <Eddi|zuHause> i somehow don't see those working for the general public any time soon
L221[11:26:32] <Fluburtur> uh https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/439462298848067585/kill_me.jpg
L222[11:26:44] <Eddi|zuHause> it's sort of like fingerprints, there are a certain number of people that have neural patterns too weak to be recognized by neural readers
L223[11:26:46] <Althego> it really exists https://developer.movidius.com/
L224[11:26:52] <Eddi|zuHause> especialy non-invasive ones
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L227[11:27:52] <Eddi|zuHause> Althego: that has nothing to do with brain-computer-interface though
L228[11:27:56] <Althego> i know
L229[11:28:05] <Althego> it just popped up in a video i was watching
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L231[11:29:21] <Eddi|zuHause> bah, i have this laptop (family support case) and i can't figure out how to get into the BIOS
L232[11:29:30] <Eddi|zuHause> none of the keys the internet tells me work
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L234[11:30:05] <Althego> usually f2, del
L235[11:30:15] <Althego> and dont forget there is no bios
L236[11:30:28] <Althego> that died out a while ago
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L238[11:30:36] <GurrenLagannTSS> Back
L239[11:30:57] <Althego> i wear em front, i wear em back, then i go inside out...
L240[11:31:33] <Eddi|zuHause> oh, it randomly decided to work now that i complained publicly about it
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L242[11:31:41] <Eddi|zuHause> and it still calls itself BIOS
L243[11:31:52] <Althego> oh wait i wanted to drop an image for testing... ok, maybe tomorrow
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L246[11:38:16] <Eddi|zuHause> so what now... it asked me with some certificate before booting to USB... then that screen locked up when i said "yes"
L247[11:38:58] <Althego> hehe
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L249[11:39:07] <Althego> the joys of modern computers
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L256[12:03:18] <GurrenLagannTSS> Wb UmbralRaptop
L257[12:03:32] <GurrenLagannTSS> but plz use a client
L258[12:03:39] <GurrenLagannTSS> Hey Ezriilc
L259[12:03:53] <GurrenLagannTSS> I'm creating a new sollar system
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L261[12:05:31] <Ezriilc> Hey!
L262[12:06:20] <Ezriilc> GurrenLagannTSS: That sounds awesome!
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L264[12:06:44] * UmbralRaptop does use a client. I do need to see about a bouncer, though.
L265[12:07:34] <GurrenLagannTSS> I will send images of the system in its current state, Ezriilc. Its not finished yet, still needs to figure out how to add custom oceans.
L266[12:07:36] <Ezko> UmbralRaptop: do you have access to a linux server?
L267[12:08:09] <Ezko> UmbralRaptop: if you do just run irssi or weechat in screen or tmux
L268[12:10:18] <Ezriilc> That's great! PIng me with the pics.
L269[12:10:21] <Ezriilc> please
L270[12:10:47] <GurrenLagannTSS> Ok!
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L273[12:17:51] <GurrenLagannTSS> For some reason, KSP gets stuck at loading
L274[12:18:18] <Ezriilc> hehe... too many mods?
L275[12:18:43] <Ezriilc> I was just telling a RL friend of mine how awesome the KSP community is.
L276[12:19:10] <Ezriilc> It's hard to describe how different an better this bunch is... especially compared to the internet at large.
L277[12:19:12] <Draconiator> One of the best ones for sure.
L278[12:19:58] <GurrenLagannTSS> Maybe too any planets?
L279[12:20:09] <GurrenLagannTSS> many*
L280[12:20:46] <Ezko> how many bodies do you have going on?
L281[12:21:05] <Ezriilc> GurrenLagannTSS: That could be, actually.
L282[12:22:23] <GurrenLagannTSS> Well Ezko, i have 2 distant custom Kerbol planets, a star, and 2 planets around that star
L283[12:26:54] <Ezko> remove new bodies one at a time until it works?
L284[12:28:03] <GurrenLagannTSS> wait
L285[12:28:53] <GurrenLagannTSS> KSP cant render object beyond a ly
L286[12:29:12] <GurrenLagannTSS> so put that 0.7 again
L287[12:33:13] <GurrenLagannTSS> yep too many planets
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L290[12:39:12] <UmbralRaptop> Ezko: I don't, really.
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L292[12:55:10] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382948062877843457/439484552784642049/ded.jpg
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L294[12:57:55] <jgkamat> ooh, what is that :)
L295[12:58:35] <Eddi|zuHause> looks like a glider to me
L296[12:58:53] <Fluburtur> arsenal VG-33
L297[12:59:22] <Fluburtur> http://fandavions.free.fr/grandes_photos/arsenal-vg33-2.jpg
L298[12:59:29] <Fluburtur> glorious WWII french plane
L299[13:01:19] <Ezko> UmbralRaptop: do you have a raspberrypi?
L300[13:02:25] <UmbralRaptop> No.
L301[13:03:21] <UmbralRaptop> Linuxwise, I have a mostly unused laptop and a currently nonfunctional desktop. More importantly, I don't have internet access at home right now.
L302[13:04:21] <ve2dmn> no internet? How can you *LIVE*?
L303[13:05:07] <ve2dmn> Ezko: I run ZNC on a small server
L304[13:06:09] <ve2dmn> UmbralRaptop: you could turn an old Asus EEEPC into a small linux server: it includes a console, an a battery/UPS
L305[13:07:46] <UmbralRaptop> ve2dmn: cell+wifi at uni
L306[13:07:58] <Ezko> ve2dmn: i see no benefit in running a bouncer when you can just straight up run a client on the machine
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L308[13:08:23] <ve2dmn> Ezko: I can use different clients on the same bouncer
L309[13:08:34] <Ezko> why would you want to do that though
L310[13:09:24] <ve2dmn> that way I can connect via my phone using the same credentials
L311[13:09:28] <Ezko> me too
L312[13:09:41] <ve2dmn> while running a console on my phone is not as convinient
L313[13:09:47] <Ezko> why not
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L315[13:10:09] <ve2dmn> no notifications?
L316[13:10:27] <Ezko> i'm pretty sure juicessh supports those
L317[13:12:52] <ve2dmn> I prefer Andchat ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L318[13:42:29] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382948062877843457/439496544472006666/qwfbfsjhnsjh.jpg
L319[13:44:00] <Draconiator> Hmm, I'd turn my netbook into a small server, it already has Xubuntu on it. and I can get a new SD card for more space.
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L324[13:52:43] <ve2dmn> Draconiator: I kept my old EEEPc for that reason
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L330[14:53:11] <Draconiator> I'd NEVER buy a MicroSD card. Not because I don't like them...
L331[14:53:31] <Draconiator> ...BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE SO SMALL I'D LOSE THE DARN THING.
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L340[15:07:12] <Draconiator> Was SATA pretty new in 2007? My older computer has a SATA hard drive but an old IDE CD-ROM drive.
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L342[15:09:10] <GurrenLagannTSS> Back guys
L343[15:12:20] <GurrenLagannTSS> oh great KSP now crashes
L344[15:15:18] <GurrenLagannTSS> now its stuck at loaaddiiinnngggg
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L347[15:21:36] <GurrenLagannTSS> WHY EZRIILC
L348[15:25:06] <ve2dmn> Draconiator: thoses IDE DVD-drives were probably cheaper and 'good enough'
L349[15:26:04] <ve2dmn> so it was less a question of 'new' and more of 'meh. Still works. Why change?'
L350[15:26:21] <GurrenLagannTSS> ve2dmn, my ksp its stuck at loading... for 12-15 mins now
L351[15:26:39] <GurrenLagannTSS> 1 planet less and no delay
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L353[15:32:40] * NGC3982 sits in the corner still whining about the strut bug.
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L355[15:34:04] * GurrenLagannTSS still waits for KSP to load
L356[15:34:15] <GurrenLagannTSS> Hey NGC3982
L357[15:35:18] <NGC3982> hi
L358[15:35:19] <Mod9000> Hello, NGC3982
L359[15:35:23] <NGC3982> and hi
L360[15:36:45] <GurrenLagannTSS> i'm stuck at the loading screen.
L361[15:37:13] <NGC3982> are you using any mods?
L362[15:37:41] <NGC3982> if so, remove them temorarily from the game directory and restart the game.
L363[15:37:42] <GurrenLagannTSS> yes
L364[15:39:34] <GurrenLagannTSS> Sigma Dimensions, ModularFlightIntegrator, ModuleManager, Kopernicus, HyperEdit and (Almost)RealSolarSystem. The new planets i made were made as a ARSS extention.
L365[15:39:43] <NGC3982> if so, remove them temorarily from the game directory and restart the game.
L366[15:41:10] <GurrenLagannTSS> Sigma Dismensions + MM + Kopernicus are required by ARSS, but i want to keep ARSS
L367[15:45:37] <NGC3982> i dont think you understand
L368[15:46:03] <NGC3982> if you want to see if mods are thing that makes your game stick at the loading screen, you need to start the game without them.
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L371[15:49:25] <GurrenLagannTSS> I pu my custom planets outside the ARSS folder, and unisntalled ARSS + Sigma
L372[15:50:29] <GurrenLagannTSS> put* damm broken keyboard
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L377[15:53:14] <Draconiator> So I just installed my older hard drive in this machine (had to take out the CD-ROM, really need another one anyway, was able to mount it in the drive bay)...and how can the thing still show up as 100%? https://i.gyazo.com/28692b9e176a0d8cbdef59e61be53cc1.png
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L379[15:58:11] <KrazyKrl> https://www.backblaze.com/blog/what-smart-stats-indicate-hard-drive-failures/
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L385[16:02:17] <GurrenLagannTSS> UmbralRaptor, stop reseting and having 2 accounts
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L387[16:02:54] <oren> GurrenLagannTSS: what he really needs is a bouncer
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L397[16:21:24] <GurrenLagannTSS> doesnt work. Sorry Ezriilc
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L413[16:57:51] <GurrenLagannTSS> rip system
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L419[17:16:31] <GurrenLagannTSS> DoubleDouble is almost 1 GB in size... Wow
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L427[17:35:31] <GurrenLagannTSS> waterlubber, stop
L428[17:35:42] <waterlubber> ?
L429[17:35:50] <GurrenLagannTSS> you just blink in and out
L430[17:36:01] <waterlubber> Yeah, I'm trying to fix something with my IRC client
L431[17:36:11] <GurrenLagannTSS> that's filling my IRC client too
L432[17:36:28] * GurrenLagannTSS uses HexChat BTW
L433[17:36:48] <waterlubber> Yeah, so do I
L434[17:37:16] <waterlubber> The only messages I've seen in this channel is people logging in and out, and you yelling at them for it
L435[17:37:50] <GurrenLagannTSS> lol
L436[17:38:16] <GurrenLagannTSS> Also DoubleDouble is almost 1 GB in size... omg
L437[17:44:28] <Ezko> https://puu.sh/AbFz1/967e1a0b6c.png maybe it's because that's the only thing that's been happening
L438[17:46:12] <GurrenLagannTSS> omg
L439[17:46:31] <GurrenLagannTSS> why are you still awake]
L440[17:46:37] <GurrenLagannTSS> beyond midnight
L441[17:46:43] <Fluburtur> time zones
L442[17:46:45] <Ezko> why would i not be
L443[17:46:57] <Fluburtur> some peoples here are from japan and stuff
L444[17:47:01] <Fluburtur> all continents
L445[17:47:07] <Ezko> you can see my timestamps there Fluburtur
L446[17:47:16] <GurrenLagannTSS> and somee are from samoa
L447[17:47:31] <Ezko> how old are you GurrenLagannTSS
L448[17:47:42] <GurrenLagannTSS> almost 12
L449[17:48:04] <Ezko> ok now i understand your question
L450[17:48:16] <Ezko> i think i've went to sleep maybe 3 times this year
L451[17:48:19] <Ezko> before midnight
L452[17:48:28] * GurrenLagannTSS gets scared because everyone will mock him
L453[17:49:16] <Fluburtur> just don't be annoying and you will be just fine
L454[17:50:01] <GurrenLagannTSS> ok
L455[17:50:24] <GurrenLagannTSS> why DoubleDouble is 1 GB in size
L456[17:50:54] <Ezko> what's doubledouble and why is the size a problem
L457[17:52:04] <GurrenLagannTSS> DoubleDouble is a planet pack
L458[17:52:31] <GurrenLagannTSS> and the bigger the mod, the heavier it will get
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L463[18:14:06] <GurrenLagannTSS> Hey Draconiator
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L467[18:45:40] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/79fc9f5902461ac302b6062b9c397139.png - Decided to install my old hard drive into my computer. maybe I'll use it for Steam games....
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L475[19:17:14] <Draconiator> ...far too small for that. I have an idea though.
L476[19:17:49] <Ezko> i have 256gb for all my programs
L477[19:17:52] <Ezko> and windows
L478[19:17:56] <Ezko> including steam games
L479[19:18:08] <Ezko> and bunch of stuff i wanna have with me if i take my laptop somewhere
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L485[19:42:06] <Draconiator> I took my CD-ROM drive out and was able to mount it in there using one screw. feels stable enough.
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L491[19:49:08] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
L492[19:50:22] <Tortoise767> Evening, Supernovy.
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L494[20:18:22] <Draconiator> These days...160GB is too small. rofl
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L496[20:38:31] * taniwha remembers when 80MB was too big
L497[20:39:00] <taniwha> or when 1MB was nearly unimaginable
L498[20:39:49] <taniwha> (ok, it wasn't really: just a box of floppies, but still, the though of 1MB was weird)
L499[20:40:48] <jgkamat> hardware really has come a long way so quickly
L500[20:42:31] <Ezko> how old are you taniwha
L501[20:42:42] <taniwha> 47
L502[20:44:58] <UmbralRaptop> The new launch site is a delicious delicacy. https://photos.app.goo.gl/jAHNh52Hr4hRQtzh8
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L504[20:57:08] <taniwha> they misspelled "lunch"
L505[20:59:55] <UmbralRaptop> Hah
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L513[22:04:42] <Neal> challenge idea" collide into Kerbin with the highest velocity, ofc turn on Ignore Max Temperature
L514[22:09:05] <taniwha> Achieving 20km/s impact is pretty easy
L515[22:09:46] <taniwha> takes about 8km/s ΔV
L516[22:10:23] <taniwha> and a few years
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L519[22:43:50] <KrazyKrl> Anything that is "get the highest velocity" will involve seperatrons.
L520[22:55:19] <taniwha> nah, bielliptic
L521[22:55:29] <taniwha> arrange for a head-on collision with Kerbin
L522[22:55:40] <taniwha> want more? head-on with Moho
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L524[23:01:19] <Althego> https://www.polygon.com/2018/3/16/17129966/iron-harvest-scythe-video-game-dieselpunk-mech-campaign-kickstarter-all-glory-to-polonia
L525[23:04:05] <bees> you could probably impact at 50km/s+ with a little help from the Kerbol
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L528[23:06:05] <taniwha> bees: no
L529[23:06:22] <taniwha> 20km/s is with help from the sun
L530[23:06:45] <taniwha> er, no, 27
L531[23:07:00] <taniwha> (you need to be hyperbolic to get more)
L532[23:07:13] <taniwha> which means less help from the sun
L533[23:09:11] <taniwha> (the more hyperbolic excess velocity you have, the less the sun affects your velocity)
L534[23:09:19] <bees> taniwha: Escape velocity 94?672.01 m/s
L535[23:09:48] <bees> you cant exactly as low as Kerbol surface, but 50km/s is certanly within realms of possibility
L536[23:10:00] <taniwha> bees: irrelevant
L537[23:10:11] <bees> we had this discuission before...
L538[23:11:25] <bees> tl;dr - if escape velocity of your orbit is 60km/s, you are at Pe exactly at escape velocity, and you burn for 4km/s - your speed at infinity would be sqrt(64^2-60^2) = 22.2km/s
L539[23:11:37] <bees> more at kerbin orbit, idk how much more
L540[23:13:38] <bees> literally https://xkcd.com/1244/
L541[23:13:43] <taniwha> you lose relative velocity hitting Kerbin non-tangentially
L542[23:13:48] <Althego> so knew it
L543[23:13:54] <Althego> that it will be this comic
L544[23:14:14] <bees> yes, but with inflatable heat shield you can go low enough for it to be irrelevant
L545[23:14:21] <bees> because you would gain more from the kerbol burn
L546[23:14:52] <bees> just using jool to throw yourself into kerbin is much easier, sure
L547[23:14:57] <bees> and still ~25km/s
L548[23:15:01] <bees> just not the best way
L549[23:15:19] <bees> and _maybe_ ion multi-stage from the outer solar system
L550[23:15:33] <bees> it would probably beat both of it, but not before you die from boredom
L551[23:16:29] <taniwha> when you're going fast enough, the "boost" you get from the sun is less significant
L552[23:17:32] <bees> it is still more than simply going from outer system head-on
L553[23:17:58] <taniwha> but you lose the head-on
L554[23:18:40] <bees> and gain more than that
L555[23:18:43] <taniwha> the question comes down to what it takes to make up for that since the faster you're going, the more perpendicular you are to Kerbin's orbit
L556[23:18:56] <bees> you lose kerbin orbital speed, pretty much
L557[23:19:14] <bees> what you gain depends on how effective inflatable heat shield is
L558[23:19:17] <bees> probably more
L559[23:20:14] <bees> you could also ion burn on your impactor on the way out, when it stops being hot enough to melt solar panels
L560[23:20:59] <taniwha> bees: here's a vaguely related question for you: what's the ideal radius at which to circularize when capturing at a planet?
L561[23:21:36] <bees> as low as possible
L562[23:21:41] <taniwha> nope
L563[23:21:56] <bees> define "circularize" then
L564[23:22:01] <bees> _any_ orbit?
L565[23:22:10] <taniwha> eccentricity = 0
L566[23:22:15] <bees> at any height?
L567[23:22:16] <taniwha> there's no other meaning
L568[23:22:19] <taniwha> any height
L569[23:22:29] <taniwha> thus ideal radius
L570[23:22:37] <bees> idk, never thought about this because not practically useful
L571[23:22:38] <taniwha> (radius -> height)
L572[23:22:59] <taniwha> ideal for simple capture is as low as possible, yes, but not for circularization
L573[23:23:22] <taniwha> and it actually /is/ practically useful
L574[23:23:38] <bees> i stopped actively playing before commnet
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L580[23:50:13] <taniwha> bees: if I did things correctly (ie, didn't feed garbage to maxima), the ideal radius is 2mu/Vinf
L581[23:50:49] <UmbralRaptop> It's calcuable, but I think varies from surprisingly high altitudes to below the surface, depending on the body and approach speed.
L582[23:52:03] <UmbralRaptop> I vaguely recall it being more complex. hrm
L583[23:52:03] <taniwha> UmbralRaptop: yeah. iirc, 14 Earth radii for a Mars-Earth Hohmann transfer
L584[23:52:30] <taniwha> so do I, thus my doubts about garbage
L585[23:52:54] <UmbralRaptop> ;choose check taniwha's work|at 1 am?
L586[23:52:55] <kmath> UmbralRaptop: check taniwha's work
L587[23:52:55] <taniwha> (particularly in getting maxima to find the minimum)
L588[23:53:12] <taniwha> http://taniwha.org/~bill/circularize.mac
L589[23:53:33] <taniwha> maxima is freely available
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