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L3[00:11:22] <oren> https://imgur.com/ARaIYIP
L4[00:11:22] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/ARaIYIP.jpg
L5[00:12:25] <oren> so far, going entirely without kerbin-launched components is... rough to say the least
L6[00:12:39] <ConductorCat> :e
L7[00:13:58] <Althego> more so in real life
L8[00:14:40] <oren> at first I was only going to launch certain things from kerbin but I decided to now only launch kerbals. anything launched from kerbin has to return to kerbin from now on, othere than kerbals themselves
L9[00:15:33] <oren> that munar space station was constructed entirely from munar ore
L10[00:15:46] <oren> unlike its predecessort
L11[00:18:32] <tivec> anyone here play with station science?
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L13[00:19:48] <tivec> i'm looking specifically for some tips on this contract: https://i.imgur.com/DJklOid.png - do I need to haul a full station science rig with lab and accelerators etc to Minmus?
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L15[00:21:48] <Althego> to me it looks like that part needs to make it. but i dont know what that part is
L16[00:21:55] <Althego> it may be huge
L17[00:22:18] <tivec> i mean, if it is just the part, that's peanuts for that huge payout
L18[00:22:24] <Supernovy> Carefully.
L19[00:22:59] <tivec> the part itself is like 400kg, but to finalize the experiment i need to run kuarqs and eurekas at a station
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L21[00:23:41] <Supernovy> I think maybe you'd just need to run the first part. So you'd just need the one part.
L22[00:24:05] <Althego> and if you have a station at minmus already even if you need to complete it, it is still only the part
L23[00:24:29] <tivec> yeah, i don't have one there, i haven't lugged the 4 20t+ parts needed for the experiments :D
L24[00:25:07] <tivec> i suspect i need to be in orbit around Minmus with the lab
L25[00:25:15] <tivec> "Make sure your station stays in the same location for the duration of the experiment. If in orbit, this means entirely above or below the low/high orbit altitude threshold, which is 250km around Kerbin. If the experiment moves to a new location prior to finalization, it will be aborted and you'll have to start it over."
L26[00:27:48] <tivec> yeah, it seems i need the lab in orbit around Minmus... oh-kay, I was going to build a station there anyway :D
L27[00:40:38] <oren> I have a station I need to send there but I need some thousands of rocketparts to build it
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L29[00:44:59] <oren> extraplanetary launchpads sort of has kerbal construction time built in
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L42[01:32:14] <Althego> https://9gag.com/gag/a2o183Z
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L57[03:05:03] <Mat2ch> Althego: eh, not sure if funny.
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L78[06:10:05] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/a0d82824fbebf036c2f051c0ea1724df/tumblr_mw2dvcbNN81r11gqzo1_540.jpg
L79[06:13:31] <Fluburtur> Rokker https://preview.ibb.co/hZzu1c/DSCF2543.jpg
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L83[07:21:13] <Fluburtur> the sturmpanzer 2 is pretty op in war thunder
L84[07:21:16] <Fluburtur> can kill anything
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L93[08:28:54] <Lyneira> Is there a way to control only rover steering and not the ship's pitch/yaw?
L94[08:29:15] <Lyneira> used to be you could use docking mode for it in linear mode
L95[08:29:27] <Lyneira> but now that doesn't trigger rover wheels
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L100[09:05:52] <Rokker> Fluburtur: is that in france?
L101[09:06:04] <Fluburtur> no
L102[09:06:13] <Rokker> Fluburtur: good
L103[09:06:24] <Fluburtur> why
L104[09:07:18] <Rokker> Fluburtur: its a freedom chopper, i dont want it in some commie country like france
L105[09:07:53] <Althego> lol
L106[09:07:56] <Fluburtur> I will get one now
L107[09:09:34] <Fluburtur> https://www.fine-scalemodela.com/uh-1-huey.html
L108[09:09:36] <Fluburtur> yes
L109[09:10:40] <Fluburtur> actually I want a eurocopter as350
L110[09:10:52] <Fluburtur> I don't want none of the murikan trash
L111[09:12:30] <Althego> uh-1d wasused by thegerman army, not anynmore
L112[09:13:25] <Fluburtur> glorious https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/RAN_squirrel_helicopter_at_melb_GP_08.jpg
L113[09:13:41] <Althego> thy rather use ec135s
L114[09:14:04] <Fluburtur> yeah but they have a fantar
L115[09:14:14] <Fluburtur> the as350 doesn't require me to mod the heli
L116[09:14:21] <Fluburtur> just slap the fuselage on there and done
L117[09:14:22] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6MLR41rOJQ
L118[09:14:22] <kmath> YouTube - ETHB Bückeburg Heeresflieger , Display EC 135
L119[09:15:01] <Althego> heeresfliegerwaffenschule bückeburg :)
L120[09:15:56] <Althego> surprisingly the huge ch53 is faster than the ec135, because it has stronger engines, designed for heavy loads
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L122[09:16:22] <Fluburtur> I still want to make myself a intermeshing rotor heli
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L124[09:17:41] <Rokker> Fluburtur: long live the HH-43
L125[09:17:43] <Ignatius> Hi there, greetings to everyone
L126[09:18:01] <Fluburtur> it's kinda ugly
L127[09:18:06] <Fluburtur> I prefer the other one
L128[09:18:10] <Ignatius> A curious questio, when you change inclination, why does the apoapsis also raise?
L129[09:18:16] <Rokker> Fluburtur: I will slap ur damn face off
L130[09:18:23] <Fluburtur> just try
L131[09:18:25] <Ignatius> I mean when you put dv in the normal or antinormal node
L132[09:19:27] <Rokker> Fluburtur: the marines H-43 was ugly. but the air forces hh-43 is a beautiful little dooty chopper
L133[09:19:36] <Althego> i never thought about why. you pump energy into the orbit. you can compensate for it by burning a bit retrograde too
L134[09:20:12] <Rokker> Althego: that and the fact that you aren't aiming exactly normal/antinormal
L135[09:20:21] <Rokker> ur a bit off since it changes with inclination
L136[09:20:31] <Althego> well it rotates whit your burn so you have to rotate with it
L137[09:20:54] <Rokker> Fluburtur: the marines were stupid and stuck a piston engine in their OH-43
L138[09:21:07] <Althego> lol wireshark. xclock works through 2 sshs not wireshark
L139[09:21:12] <Rokker> But the HH-43 used a turboshaft
L140[09:21:26] <Althego> now i have to get that file here. the intermediate machine doesnt have x
L141[09:25:04] <ve2dmn> Ignatius: orbital mechanics
L142[09:25:31] <ve2dmn> In a perfect inclination change, your Ap does not change.
L143[09:25:33] <Althego> while they repair your spaceshipt, they also push it a bit
L144[09:26:41] <ve2dmn> If you can manage to change directions without changing speed, your Ap and Pe should stay the same
L145[09:26:43] <taniwha> Ignatius: _ + | = /
L146[09:26:52] <ve2dmn> This almost never happens
L147[09:26:56] <taniwha> and / is longer than either _ or |
L148[09:27:33] <taniwha> Ignatius: it's because maneuver nodes do not rotate their reference
L149[09:27:50] <ve2dmn> taniwha: the fun of orbital mechanics
L150[09:28:00] <taniwha> no, the fun of simple geometry :)
L151[09:28:10] <ve2dmn> ... in this case, true
L152[09:28:12] <taniwha> orbital mechanics is but one example
L153[09:28:40] <ve2dmn> It gave me a lot of kOS headaches
L154[09:28:44] <taniwha> (actually, orbital mechanics is riddled with geometric fun)
L155[09:29:23] <taniwha> especially when bouncing between anomalies (messing with half angles and such)
L156[09:29:35] <ve2dmn> TA vs MA ?
L157[09:29:40] <Rokker> Fluburtur: I don't get how you can hate the dootybois
L158[09:29:53] <Fluburtur> box
L159[09:29:56] <taniwha> ve2dmn: and eccentric/hyperbolic/parabolic anomaly
L160[09:30:18] <Rokker> Fluburtur: https://imgur.com/a/b8vC5
L161[09:30:19] <taniwha> (TA and MA are universal, but the other three are specific)
L162[09:30:46] <Fluburtur> it looks like one of those small trucks
L163[09:30:51] <taniwha> btw, parabolic anomaly is solvable analytically
L164[09:30:56] <Fluburtur> also why did they paint the windows
L165[09:30:57] <ve2dmn> I know some of these words! (actually, I programmed a couple of kOS function for those)
L166[09:30:59] <taniwha> (eccentric and hyperbolic are not)
L167[09:31:31] <taniwha> eccentric: M = E - e sin E
L168[09:31:36] <ve2dmn> I haven't touched my code in months, so it's a bit of a blur
L169[09:31:41] <taniwha> hyperbolic: M = e sinh H - H
L170[09:31:50] <taniwha> solve for E or H
L171[09:33:05] <taniwha> parabolic: M = P + P^3/3
L172[09:33:27] <ve2dmn> AKA http://www.braeunig.us/space/orbmech.htm
L173[09:34:13] <taniwha> ewww, arccos
L174[09:34:20] <taniwha> though shalt not use arccos
L175[09:34:53] <ve2dmn> also, it's usefull to know that Kerbin is a perfect spehere... coordinates are SO much easier
L176[09:35:22] <taniwha> use the sin and cos of the half angle, and atan2
L177[09:37:01] <ve2dmn> I used Arccos once: https://github.com/ve2dmn/kOS-Script/blob/master/Orbit_functions.ks#L70
L178[09:37:04] <taniwha> eg, E = 2 * atan2(sqrt(1-e)*sin(T/2), sqrt(1+e)*cos(T/2))
L179[09:38:43] <taniwha> also, fun trick: for two vectors (a and b) of the same length: x = b + a; y = b - a; ang = 2 * atan2(y, x);
L180[09:39:28] <taniwha> you lose the sign, though, so you need to find another way to work out which direction
L181[09:40:14] <ve2dmn> I try to keep my vectors as isonormal
L182[09:40:29] <ve2dmn> or at least, of length =1
L183[09:40:38] <taniwha> not necessarily a good idea
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L185[09:41:40] <ve2dmn> Well... most of my vectors are used for planar definitions...
L186[09:41:51] <ve2dmn> but, yeah. it depends
L187[09:41:56] <taniwha> eg, plane progjection: v' = v - v.n/(n.n) n
L188[09:42:02] <ve2dmn> like I said: I haven't touched my code in months, so it's a bit of a blur
L189[09:42:11] <kubi> hi there
L190[09:42:15] <taniwha> hi, kubi
L191[09:43:29] <taniwha> (quite often, the need to keep unit vectors gets cancelled out)
L192[09:44:21] <ve2dmn> like... what would you do differently here? https://github.com/ve2dmn/kOS-Script/blob/master/Orbit_functions.ks#L62-L76
L193[09:46:15] <taniwha> what I showed above
L194[09:46:39] <ve2dmn> E = 2 * atan2(sqrt(1-e)*sin(T/2), sqrt(1+e)*cos(T/2))
L195[09:46:58] <taniwha> yeah, use that for eccentric anomaly from true anomaly
L196[09:47:09] <Althego> your friendly neighborhood atan2
L197[09:47:13] <taniwha> e - 1 and sinh and cosh for hyperbolic
L198[09:49:08] <ve2dmn> it seems I DO have Arctan2: https://ksp-kos.github.io/KOS/math/basic.html#function:ARCTAN2
L199[09:49:17] <ve2dmn> I would be suprised if I didn't
L200[09:49:22] <taniwha> ve2dmn: also, with s = sin(T/2) and c = cos(T/2), you can do M = e*sqrt(1-e^2)*s*c - 2*atan2(sqrt(1-e)*s, sqrt(1+e)*c)
L201[09:49:35] <taniwha> ie, skip a sin(E)
L202[09:50:03] <ve2dmn> My main issue is getting rid of any 'divide by 0'
L203[09:50:10] <taniwha> er, hang on, I think there's supposed to be a 2 with that e*sqrt
L204[09:50:12] <ve2dmn> because it crashs the kOS code
L205[09:50:34] <taniwha> you will have div by 0 only when e == 1
L206[09:50:50] <taniwha> and atan2 is happy with y = 0
L207[09:51:00] <ve2dmn> Not just in that function, in ALL kOS code
L208[09:51:11] <taniwha> (well, kOS might not be, but the underlying library code is)
L209[09:51:13] <Althego> heh wireshark, it doesnt work through remote x
L210[09:51:21] <Althego> at least xlock appears, wireshark fails
L211[09:51:54] <taniwha> ve2dmn: seriously, is actually difficult to get divide by 0
L212[09:52:19] <ve2dmn> in this case yes. elsewhere in my code, no
L213[09:52:29] <taniwha> any anomaly conversion
L214[09:52:42] <taniwha> and most of the rest: to get div by zero, e must be 1
L215[09:52:48] <taniwha> and if e == 1, ksp will blow up
L216[09:52:55] <ve2dmn> I have tons of 'Min( Same_function, 0.0001)' in kOS to get rid of infinti issues
L217[09:53:12] <Althego> i got the file down to my home network, and still cant open it. no way i install that stuff on this machine
L218[09:53:25] <taniwha> ve2dmn: you need to use equation forms that avoid dividing by zero
L219[09:53:25] <ve2dmn> Althego: why not tcpdump?
L220[09:53:29] <taniwha> (one reason to avoid acos)
L221[09:53:37] <Althego> because iwant to make audio files from rtp packets
L222[09:53:48] <taniwha> Althego: tcpdump
L223[09:53:50] <Althego> and supposedly wireshark knows how to do that
L224[09:54:05] <taniwha> wireshark might be able to grok tcpdump
L225[09:54:06] <ve2dmn> tcpdump + import in wireshark?
L226[09:54:35] <Althego> wireshark fails to launch because it probably wants to be too smart and does not use some age old x resource correctly
L227[09:54:36] <ve2dmn> it's in the wireshark documentation: https://www.wireshark.org/docs/wsug_html_chunked/AppToolstcpdump.html
L228[09:55:31] <taniwha> ve2dmn: the other times you might get div by zero is when you're very close to the asymptotes of a hyperbola
L229[09:55:48] <taniwha> (in which case, you are a very long way out from the sun)
L230[09:56:55] <taniwha> getting your eccentric vector when e is near 0 can be dangerous, though. and similar for getting AN when inc is close to 0
L231[09:56:55] <Althego> haha net says use wireshark-gtk
L232[09:57:10] <taniwha> net says use new and flashy
L233[09:57:41] <Althego> lo and behold it works
L234[09:58:08] <ve2dmn> taniwha: another example: https://github.com/ve2dmn/kOS-Script/blob/7854fa7561ea081b5b60aa20e26501f06e0c8d88/Burn_Function.ks#L38
L235[09:59:39] <ve2dmn> I find the use of 'max()' a very ugly hack
L236[10:00:48] <ve2dmn> I guess I could check for values smaller then 0.001 and return either 0 or 9001 years
L237[10:01:09] <taniwha> ve2dmn: line 30 is silly: just plug the number in and be done with it
L238[10:01:36] <taniwha> (more accurate, since that's the number KSP uses for Isp->Ve conversion)
L239[10:01:46] <Lyneira> o/ taniwha
L240[10:01:49] <taniwha> hi, Lyneira
L241[10:02:21] <ve2dmn> taniwha: well, I prefer using internal values then providing my own
L242[10:02:31] <Lyneira> How's it going?
L243[10:02:38] <taniwha> ve2dmn: here, don't
L244[10:02:39] <ve2dmn> But It should be globally defined
L245[10:02:45] <taniwha> Lyneira: pretty good
L246[10:03:38] <ve2dmn> taniwha: unless I'm mistaken, both these KERBIN:MU and KERBIN:RADIUS are internally defined, but I have to provide g myself...
L247[10:03:42] <Lyneira> I'm almost ready to send a hoverjet to Serran
L248[10:03:46] <ve2dmn> which is... strange
L249[10:04:10] <taniwha> g0, really
L250[10:04:18] <taniwha> but yeah
L251[10:04:29] <ve2dmn> yes
L252[10:04:37] <taniwha> (and g0 is /defined/ as 9.80665)
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L254[10:05:45] <ve2dmn> well then, I guess I'll globally define my contants and be done with it :D
L255[10:05:51] <Althego> well it finds the streams
L256[10:05:55] <Althego> extensive info
L257[10:06:02] <Althego> cant save it as audio for the life of it
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L259[10:07:06] <ve2dmn> Althego: why not open the stream with VLC and save it to disk then?
L260[10:07:16] <Althego> i have a pcap
L261[10:08:54] <Althego> hehe it has a payer
L262[10:08:57] <ve2dmn> taniwha: I'm waiting for a rainy day to open up this kOS code and work on it...
L263[10:08:59] <Althego> i canthear that through remote x
L264[10:09:03] <Althego> cant save it lol
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L266[10:10:12] <Althego> hah finally i got one
L267[10:10:18] <Althego> why cant it just dump all
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L269[10:14:46] <ve2dmn> Althego: you can. it's called tcpdump :P
L270[10:15:05] <Althego> it would take me half a year to find out how to set it up
L271[10:15:11] <Althego> i had to painfully click through these
L272[10:15:13] <Althego> i got all 3
L273[10:16:47] <Althego> so what i found that we got both sides of the conversation correctly it was just not saved
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L275[10:23:13] <ve2dmn> *sigh* https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/586640312/ksp-space-flight-infographic
L276[10:23:22] <ve2dmn> seems a bit pricey for an image
L277[10:24:47] <ve2dmn> 15CAD for a PNG :/
L278[10:25:46] <ve2dmn> And this one looks pretty nice: https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/500288406/kerbal-space-program-sci-fi-poster
L279[10:26:43] <ve2dmn> even has the Wernher von Braun looking rocket
L280[10:28:17] <taniwha> ve2dmn: at that size, it's probably very high resolution
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L282[10:58:04] <ve2dmn> btw, I'm suprised there are so few Kerbal things on Etsy and/or AliExpress
L283[10:58:55] <ve2dmn> there's usually tons of homemade (or cheaply copied) stuff
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L288[11:11:06] <EleusisLaArwall> Hello everyone
L289[11:11:46] <SnoopJeDi> a handmade png, ve2dmn!
L290[11:11:52] <ve2dmn> good morning
L291[11:11:55] <SnoopJeDi> every pixel placed with loving care
L292[11:12:22] <EleusisLaArwall> Does the Forum currently have some issues? I can't send messages or replys or anything. Can't even lod out because the drop-down menues don't appear oO
L293[11:12:34] <EleusisLaArwall> *log
L294[11:13:27] <ve2dmn> EntropicRaptor: good question. Let my try
L295[11:14:18] <EntropicRaptor> ping
L296[11:14:44] <ve2dmn> EntropicRaptor: gnip
L297[11:18:41] <ve2dmn> EleusisLaArwall: seems kinda ok... what are you seeing?
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L299[11:22:59] <EleusisLaArwall> looks mostly normal just some buttons are missing. it's pretty weird
L300[11:23:20] <EleusisLaArwall> the send button for example I don't see
L301[11:24:27] <EleusisLaArwall> I'll try to login from a different machine, mom
L302[11:26:32] <EleusisLaArwall> nope, same issue.
L303[11:27:00] <ve2dmn> weird. I have no issues at all
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L305[11:27:51] <EntropicRaptor> … how did I tabjack someone earlier in the alphabet?
L306[11:29:18] <EleusisLaArwall> oO now it works again
L307[11:30:44] <EleusisLaArwall> super weird
L308[11:31:02] <EleusisLaArwall> Thanks for the help ve2dmn !
L309[11:31:03] <ve2dmn> sounds like a DNS issue preventing CSS from loading
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L318[11:43:11] <Fluburtur> so, I need to fix the fan on my 3d printer
L319[11:43:26] <Fluburtur> I could 3d print a new mount but I will probably jsut glue it in place with some cardboard
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L322[11:50:51] <Fluburtur> APlayer im fixing my 3d printer
L323[11:50:56] <Fluburtur> parts cooling fan is ded
L324[11:51:09] <Fluburtur> so I will hot glue a new one on it
L325[11:51:21] <APlayer> Didn't last long, TBH
L326[11:51:33] <Fluburtur> yeah
L327[11:51:41] <Fluburtur> it can work without but not as good
L328[11:51:49] <Fluburtur> it's spinning but very slow
L329[11:52:29] <APlayer> If I buy a 3D printer anytime soon, it won't be a $200 one
L330[11:53:15] <Fluburtur> yeah sometimes I wish I got a better one
L331[11:53:29] <Fluburtur> the low budget ones are for the peoples that like tweaking stuff
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L337[12:16:10] <Draconiator> Well I found something interesting.
L338[12:16:13] <Draconiator> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nu6C-Ci7_Q
L339[12:16:13] <kmath> YouTube - Sony Digital Mavica: 1997 Floppy Disk Camera Experience
L340[12:17:57] <kuzetsa> I'm pretty sure this was a botched hohmann transfer, but he put spin on it to claim it was successful? https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/961083704230674438
L341[12:17:57] <kmath> <✔elonmusk> Third burn successful. Exceeded Mars orbit and kept going to the Asteroid Belt. https://t.co/bKhRN73WHF
L342[12:19:10] <kuzetsa> I wasn't paying attention to the status of his PR stunt, but I'm confident there was either a garbage launch window (which wouldn't have an ideal hohmann transfer) or something went sideways
L343[12:20:28] <kuzetsa> that approach looks like what you'd get from an engine being stuck in the "on" position for longer than intended, right?
L344[12:21:34] <kuzetsa> it's frustrating because all of the mainstream coverage I've tracked down is articles written by people who oversimplified with language like "missed"
L345[12:21:43] <TonyC> hi, do you guys know of any places where KerbCam is available ? I'm about to post on the forum page that the latest recompiles don't work, but just want to make sure i didn't miss anything
L346[12:26:08] <kuzetsa> either way - musk calling it successful feels disingenuous IMO
L347[12:26:38] <ve2dmn> Draconiator: both LGR and the 8-bit guy did a review of that camera: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J0Aw2Z-8-k
L348[12:26:38] <kmath> YouTube - Back when cameras used... Floppy Disks? Sony Mavica
L349[12:28:01] <ve2dmn> kuzetsa: The point of that burn was to drain the engine to see how far it would go
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L351[12:40:10] <kuzetsa> ve2dmn: oh
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L353[12:40:32] <kuzetsa> so they changed the mission / never meant to do an orbital capture in the first place?
L354[12:41:00] <ve2dmn> It wasn't a goo window for a capture... so no
L355[12:41:06] <ve2dmn> good*
L356[12:41:25] <kuzetsa> hmm
L357[12:41:26] <LordFerret> what's up with the funky forums? update gone awry or something?
L358[12:42:07] <ve2dmn> LordFerret: again?
L359[12:42:21] <LordFerret> yea, i guess. weird behaviors.
L360[12:42:51] <ve2dmn> Speaking of things that got pushed to see how far it would go.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJPyTbIYPHQ
L361[12:42:52] <kmath> YouTube - Just Dance Unlimited: Naughty Girl by Beyoncé - Official Gameplay Trailer - Nintendo Switch
L362[12:43:07] <ve2dmn> I was NOT expecting this from the title
L363[12:44:43] <kuzetsa> ve2dmn: I'm gonna rephrase - hohmann transfers are eccentric, but this was so far off it obviously wasn't that: the launch window was rubbish (I guess?), so even getting all the orbital parameters right (the orbit doesn't seem like a hohmann transfer to mars was attempted) would've been the wrong phase anyway... it was never going to orbit mars, basically?
L364[12:45:03] <ve2dmn> never
L365[12:45:10] <kuzetsa> like - you can do a non-hohmann transfer if you've absolutely gotta get an intercept
L366[12:45:16] <kuzetsa> but this was horrible
L367[12:45:17] <ve2dmn> The plan was to see if they could CROSS the orbit
L368[12:45:22] <kuzetsa> oooh
L369[12:45:24] <kuzetsa> ok
L370[12:45:57] <ve2dmn> If they could do that, a Hoffman transfer would be possible (well... at least a fly-by)
L371[12:46:40] <kuzetsa> I think a hohmann transfer uses no more dV than simply increasing the SMA to the higher orbit, right?
L372[12:47:00] <ve2dmn> So they launched like they were gonna do a transfer, and then emptied the last stage
L373[12:47:07] <APlayer> I can think of many ways to waste fuel, see how far you will go and /still/ reach Mars
L374[12:47:09] <kuzetsa> so like - if this was SMA of at least whatever mars orbit would normally be, it's fine? (minus the rubbish launch window)
L375[12:47:41] <APlayer> For example burning radially in and prograde to slow down your approach
L376[12:48:06] <ve2dmn> APlayer: there was probably a better reason to empty the last stage the way they did, but I have no good source
L377[12:48:52] <APlayer> Can also go into a Mars capture orbit and burn radially in/prograde without breaking the Mars capture
L378[12:49:53] <APlayer> Tons of ways to do it, they either were as sloppy as Rocket Lab with their Humanity Star mission duration estimate, or they never wanted it in the first place
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L380[12:50:25] * ve2dmn shrug
L381[12:50:45] <APlayer> The latter of which is definitely more plausible (at least my remaining confidence in the aerospace industry wants me to think that), but I can't explain why they would miss such a PR stunt opportunity
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L383[12:51:01] <kuzetsa> ["...radially in and prograde..."] yeah, the radial component here is dubious & wastes fuel
L384[12:51:13] <APlayer> kuzetsa: That's the goal
L385[12:51:16] <APlayer> Waste fuel
L386[12:51:19] <kuzetsa> heh
L387[12:51:27] <ve2dmn> maybe an issue from https://planetaryprotection.nasa.gov/overview
L388[12:51:37] <ve2dmn> no clue
L389[12:51:41] <kuzetsa> ve2dmn: yeah that's something I had considered
L390[12:51:47] <kuzetsa> "do not pollute mars"
L391[12:51:48] <APlayer> You want the tank empty, and you also want (no, you don't actually, but it'd be nice) to capture in Mars orbit
L392[12:52:23] <APlayer> But you have too much fuel for that, so you need to waste it while observing how much delta-v your vehicle can deliver
L393[12:52:54] <ve2dmn> kuzetsa: "Too late for that"
L394[12:53:01] <APlayer> It's possible, but their either screwed up, and hopefully they didn't, or they figured they'd be better off with a different solution
L395[12:53:14] <kuzetsa> polluting an asteroid belt & not tracking the uh... kessler syndrome is probably the wrong term. hmm.
L396[12:53:25] <kuzetsa> it seems like it's no better (possibly worse) than polluting mars
L397[12:54:04] <APlayer> Space is big. We can't possibly launch enough things to pollute space in general. Not with current tech.
L398[12:54:17] <kuzetsa> in the biologic sense though
L399[12:54:23] <APlayer> Ah
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L401[12:54:37] <APlayer> Not sure
L402[12:54:56] <ve2dmn> Tardigrades. Tardigrades everywhere
L403[12:54:58] <kuzetsa> a million years from now, who's to say putting musk's tesla in the asteroid belt didn't seed life on ${CelestialBody}
L404[12:55:07] <APlayer> I would think they sterilized the vessel, and there'll be decades if not centuries before it hits an asteroid big enough to pollute
L405[12:55:14] <kuzetsa> possibly
L406[12:55:52] <APlayer> So tardigrades and whatever else might survive the sterilization will be too dead to seed life on an asteroid before it can reach it
L407[12:58:07] <APlayer> ve2dmn: So they call it tardigrades now? Lizard people are out?
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L409[13:04:12] <kuzetsa> I thought tardigrade was a specific class of biological critter
L410[13:04:28] <Fluburtur> I just taped the fan on the 3d printer in order to print a fan mount
L411[13:04:31] <Fluburtur> im a genius
L412[13:05:02] <kuzetsa> Fluburtur: if you used duct tape to do it, did you shape it such that the result would be a ducted fan?
L413[13:05:09] <kuzetsa> I'm funny :D
L414[13:05:12] <Fluburtur> lmao
L415[13:05:19] <Fluburtur> well it's already ducted
L416[13:05:23] <Fluburtur> being from a computer
L417[13:06:07] <Fluburtur> also the other fan only has 5 blades left from like 20 and I balanced it with tape
L418[13:07:29] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186471202357249/434051928574525440/DSC_8687.JPG
L419[13:11:07] <APlayer> kuzetsa: Tardigrades are a tiny... Uh, not insect, but something tiny anyway. And extremely resistant to everything
L420[13:12:47] <kuzetsa> ["... So they call it tardigrades now..."] <<< I took that to mean your implication that tardigrade wasn't a stable taxonomy
L421[13:12:57] <kuzetsa> hashtag #grammar
L422[13:13:05] <kuzetsa> (my own, even)
L423[13:14:09] <kuzetsa> may have noticed, but to be explicit: I'm very asynchronous (not realtime) currently, as a result of debugging some development libraries for ${NotKSP}
L424[13:14:27] <Draconiator> if he made a 3-d printout of fanblades that looked like waterfoul, then it would be a duck-ted fan!!!
L425[13:14:33] <Draconiator> I'll be here all week.
L426[13:14:35] <kuzetsa> "I'm in dependency hell, whee!!!"
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L428[13:22:38] <Fluburtur> Draconiator did you have more fun with the planes I sent you?
L429[13:30:50] <Draconiator> I did. that KS2000 of yours....I sorta screwed up the aerodynamics but I REALLY could do all sorts of new tricks that way. for instance I can now bring it to a DEAD STOP in the air, flip upside down and go the other way.
L430[13:34:22] <bees> can you do a variable aerodynamic plane?
L431[13:34:42] <bees> flexible wings or something like that, more stable at speed, but more agile while slow
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L435[13:43:55] <Fluburtur> the ks2000 is a fun one yeah
L436[13:44:03] <Fluburtur> transit got to play with it
L437[13:44:07] <Fluburtur> uh he left
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L439[14:10:56] <ve2dmn> Wow: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Aluminum-DSKY-with-Apollo-Guidance-Computer-runs-NASA-MIT-Code/263505114037?hash=item3d5a20f3b5:g:J~4AAOSwJc9agb-q
L440[14:12:01] <ve2dmn> (source : https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/60620-custom-hardware-simpit-repository-for-people-who-take-ksp-a-little-too-far/&page=29&tab=comments#comment-3348243 )
L441[14:12:54] <Fluburtur> http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-690
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L443[14:16:51] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-3365
L444[14:17:26] <Fluburtur> the series 4 ones are very nice
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L446[14:19:22] <Fluburtur> nice one
L447[14:19:29] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: I liked the painting-that-cannot-be-described and the any-liquid-dispenser one
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L449[14:20:08] <Fluburtur> this one is very good http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2722
L450[14:20:41] <Fluburtur> and this one is one of the best http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1730
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L452[14:25:04] <BadRocketsCo> Howdy!
L453[14:25:19] <Fluburtur> yo
L454[14:26:30] <APlayer> Heeloo!
L455[14:27:00] <BadRocketsCo> What's up?
L456[14:27:51] <APlayer> The sky
L457[14:27:56] <APlayer> And space beyond that
L458[14:28:09] <BadRocketsCo> What's beyond that tho?
L459[14:28:26] <ve2dmn> more space
L460[14:28:33] <APlayer> The Void(tm)
L461[14:28:54] <BadRocketsCo> Heh
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L464[14:29:39] <ve2dmn> The unknowable, unreachable and unexplorable
L465[14:29:58] <ve2dmn> AKA the far reaches of Space
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L468[14:32:09] <Althego> funny that the universe is bigger than the observable universe
L469[14:32:58] <BadRocketsCo> I am too close to making a "yo mama" joke...
L470[14:33:43] <ve2dmn> https://www.makershed.com/products/diy-instruments-for-amateur-space
L471[14:33:51] <ve2dmn> sounds interesting
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L481[14:52:12] <Draconiator> Flub, I need to finish this one and then I have a plane for you to try.
L482[14:52:40] <Fluburtur> nice
L483[14:52:46] <Fluburtur> I can send you another
L484[14:52:50] <Fluburtur> I have a lot of planes
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L487[15:12:12] <ve2dmn> I have an infinite number of planes: n = (a, b, c)
L488[15:17:04] <SnoopJeDi> ho ho ho
L489[15:22:57] <Draconiator> https://app.box.com/s/fp57emhnxlunv0p3xgpjorrjcorfkl4v - Here ya go. I know you have BDA and it just needs that.
L490[15:39:26] <Fluburtur> can't load
L491[15:39:32] <Fluburtur> wrong cockpit again
L492[15:46:35] <Althego> https://xkcd.com/1660/
L493[15:46:39] <Althego> the wrong cockpit again :)
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L501[16:29:50] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: where did you find your 3d printer again?
L502[16:30:01] <Fluburtur> internet
L503[16:30:03] <Fluburtur> banggood
L504[16:30:10] <ve2dmn> thanks
L505[16:30:23] <ve2dmn> I had Aliexpress in mind, but I knew it wasn't that
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L508[16:33:14] <Guest95612> Can you update the wiki more often?
L509[16:33:55] <BenjaminK> what abouts?
L510[16:34:03] <BenjaminK> is there a known problem?
L511[16:34:40] <Guest95612> I feel like there are some stuff missing
L512[16:35:15] <BenjaminK> Well, if you know what's missing, feel free to update it
L513[16:35:33] <ve2dmn> Guest95612: it's community-bsed
L514[16:35:37] <ve2dmn> based*
L515[16:35:42] <Guest95612> ok thx
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L518[16:48:44] <EntropicRaptor> …
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L520[17:08:49] <Draconiator> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zL8pRDxPck
L521[17:08:50] <kmath> YouTube - Is Fusion 360 Unable to Handle Large Assemblies? - Marble Machine X #31
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L533[18:35:31] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
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L535[18:36:15] <BenjaminK> hey
L536[18:41:10] <ve2dmn> You know when you deicde to back a game on kickstarter, hear no news for 5 years then you get an email for a key for a game of the same name but not what you backed^
L537[18:51:52] <Supernovy> I do not know that, no.
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L539[18:55:55] <ve2dmn> happen to me today
L540[19:00:52] <BenjaminK> wow
L541[19:01:14] <ve2dmn> thing is... it's not a bad game per say, but it's not what I remember backing
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L568[21:11:13] <callum> Hi everyone
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L573[21:33:29] <Neal> 5 failed login attempts to my KSP forum profile from Ukraine.. hmmm...
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L575[21:33:47] <cycloptivity> They just want your launch codes
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L595[23:59:10] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Have you ever had rodents or other large pests and ever needed a quick, affordable and ecological friendly way to get rid of them? Well look no further pardner, you need just call the experts at Velociraptor Exterminators!
L596[23:59:44] <Althego> do they hurt umbralraptors?
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