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L2[00:12:31] <Althego> hehe my first ssd was
8 gb
L3[00:12:53] <Althego> but that was how many
years ago? 10?
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L5[00:19:12] <Draconiator> Al...what is the
difference between memory cards you use in like cameras, and SSD
drives? aren't they really the same thing?
L6[00:20:02] <taniwha> Draconiator:
bus
L7[00:20:11] <taniwha> (will be the main
difference)
L8[00:20:28] <Draconiator> ah. and that
means...
L9[00:20:39] <Althego> and multiple
parallelism inside a pc ssd
L10[00:20:44] <Althego> but they are all
nand flash
L11[00:21:06] <Althego> they both use a
serial bus though, so they can be extended forever in size
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L15[00:33:14] <Draconiator> People want to
go portable these days....Desktops are dying really.
L16[00:34:45] <taniwha> hardly dying
L17[00:35:03] <Althego> desktops never die
:)
L18[00:35:05] <taniwha> more not really
growing much
L19[00:35:22] <Althego> mobile things are
also saturating
L20[00:35:32] <Althego> you dont want to
have more than a few fones and tablets
L21[00:35:41] <taniwha> (might shrink a bit
as people who never wanted a desktop in the first place stop
upgrading)
L22[00:36:18] <taniwha> eternal growth is
impossible
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L24[00:41:28] <Althego> but the forever
expanding universe....
L25[00:45:02] <GlassYuri> Draconiator, that
is the sort of crap that only gets pumped out because idiot
investors without technical knowledge or any sort of foresight buy
into the hype and throw money at it
L26[00:45:22] <Draconiator> lets see what
portables I have...I have an iPad, mu old Acer AspireOne netbook,
my flip phone, and my older phone I use for an alarm clock now. I'm
so satisfied as to where technology is headed though.
L27[00:46:00] <Althego> i am not
L28[00:46:16] <Althego> i always have to
wait at least a decade for everything
L29[00:46:26] <Althego> i want it long
before they realize people need it
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L31[00:46:48] <Althego> not to mention the
gpu needs a complete redesign
L32[00:46:54] <Althego> we should throw
away polygons completely
L33[00:47:07] <Althego> they are more of a
burden now than a helpful idea
L34[00:47:27] <Althego> nobody actually
wants polygons
L35[00:47:37] <Althego> it was a compromise
for small capacity
L36[00:47:40] <Althego> we are over
that
L37[00:48:17] <Draconiator> huh, what do
you reccoment as a replacement?
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L42[00:52:34] <Althego> i think maybe using
direct mathematical models instead of making plygons of them
L43[00:53:40] <Althego> but these are
missing hardware acceleration
L44[00:53:54] <Althego> because everything
is about polygons now
L45[00:56:47] <GlassYuri> ...polygons are a
mathematical model
L46[00:56:54] <Althego> a dumb one
L47[00:57:01] <Althego> i meant more
alongside nurbs
L48[00:57:33] <Althego> those could model
complex curved and smooth surfaces with minimal effort
L49[00:57:42] <Althego> no need to do
millions for polygons
L50[00:58:10] <Althego> *of
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L53[00:58:51] <GlassYuri> tfw your code
throws an exception while building an error message
L54[00:59:09] <Althego> hehe
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L56[01:00:34] <Althego> you cant beat the
cae level signal handler. signal caught, handler runs, starts with
trying to read an environment variable without checking if it
exists. that causes a segmentation fault (null pointer), this
causes the signal handler to be called, which causes a segmentation
fault, which calls the signal handler....
L57[01:01:12] <Althego> signalception
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L59[01:04:23] <GlassYuri> Althego, when
writing a crude system to display log messages on screen I almost
made the mistake of using logging to debug the logging event
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L64[01:18:57] <Althego> 3 launches in the
next 12 hours
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L82[02:27:33] <Olympic1> UmbralRaptop: yes,
the template is complete
L83[02:29:01] <UmbralRaptop> \o/
L84[02:29:04] <Pakaran> Hi.
L85[02:29:53] <Pakaran> Has anyone else
noticed crashes with xScience?
L86[02:30:32] <Pakaran> It's happened two
or three times. *Seems* to be due to quickly hitting buttons to use
multiple instruments.
L87[02:33:31] *
UmbralRaptop somehow managed to crash a fresh install of
1.4.2+Making History. Like, in the settings menu.
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L90[03:02:49] <tivec> I have some weirdness
going on...
L91[03:03:05] <tivec> i have hyperedited a
vessel into orbit around the Mun for testing
L92[03:03:28] <tivec> when I enter time
warp, before it actually starts moving, the vessel hops forward
like 1/20th of the orbit
L94[03:06:48] <tivec> thoughts on what that
could be? I'm in the process of eliminating mods that touch time
warp
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L96[03:23:05] <tivec> hmm, seems to only
happen when simulating through KRASH
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L100[04:05:33] <TheKosmonaut> Rokker: I've
made a decision
L101[04:05:43] <TheKosmonaut> American
cars > German cars
L102[04:05:47] <TheKosmonaut> So much
easier to work on
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L123[04:45:32] <Pakaran> Anyone know
offhand where to get craft files for Bluedog?
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L157[07:46:19] <korniton> Sup everyone
:D
L158[07:47:03] <korniton> I asked a stupid
question on the forum and then I remembered we had a chat for that
kind of stuff :(
L159[07:55:39] <Fluburtur> so I have
plenty of nice videos on youtube but for some reason the crappy
video of the motocultor I made 5 years ago is getting the most
views
L160[07:56:19] <AIwrk> lol
L161[07:56:25] <korniton> Nice lol
L162[07:56:59] <korniton> Sometimes the
ugliest bunny is the most tastie one :D
L163[07:57:18] <Fluburtur> well it gets a
lot of views but for some reason it isn't my most viewed
video
L164[07:57:26] <Fluburtur> the most viewed
is the guitar
L166[07:57:46] <kmath> YouTube - Making my
plywood Flying V guitar
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L171[08:26:25] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: woah,
almost 100k views
L172[08:27:45] <Fluburtur> yeah
L173[08:28:46] <Mat2ch> gnah, I have to go
and by groceries. We've got a holidy tomorrow and no shops are
open
L175[08:29:17] <kubi> smoked ham is in the
fridge :)
L176[08:31:03] <Truga> steamed hams
L177[08:31:36] <Mat2ch> *buy
L178[08:31:59] <Mat2ch> My fridge is
almost empty. That's a problem. :D
L179[08:33:02] <Truga> nice guitar
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L181[08:33:40] <Mat2ch> uhhh, more
problems with the A400M... Why am I not suprised?
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L197[09:19:30] <Althego> ahahaha
L198[09:21:25] <Fluburtur> I added a 2nd
camera to my big flying wing
L199[09:21:32] <Truga> nice x uingu
L200[09:21:43] <Fluburtur> I will take it
for a flight soon
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L205[09:31:41] <Althego> why in the same
direction?
L206[09:31:49] <Fluburtur> to record
hd
L207[09:31:55] <Fluburtur> but I can point
it anywhere if I want
L208[09:32:00] <Althego> so one for real
time, the other for recordinf
L209[09:32:04] <Fluburtur> yeah
L210[09:33:51] <Fluburtur> I also wrote my
contact info and address on the plane in case I lose it
L211[09:33:56] <Fluburtur> but I hope it
won't happen
L212[09:34:00] <Mat2ch> you need a bigger
plane and mount that camera under the wing like those early
spyplanes did. :D
L213[09:34:15] <Fluburtur> eh I don't want
to land on the camera
L214[09:34:21] <Althego> hehe
L215[09:34:27] <Fluburtur> but I will
build a better fpv wing soon
L216[09:34:28] <Althego> that is why you
need a bigger plane
L217[09:34:38] <Fluburtur> with a bit
thinner wings and aerodynamic pod
L218[09:34:50] <Fluburtur> and I will be
able to move the fpv camera around
L219[09:35:28] <Althego> and the angry
neighbors shoot it down, because who needs a spy drone above
them
L221[09:35:56] <Fluburtur> eh peoples
around here actually enjoy my stuff
L222[09:38:46] <Deddly> Fluburtur, I'll be
interested to see how that affects the flight characteristics. If
it were KSP, it would be flyable but unstable
L223[09:39:34] <Fluburtur> you mean the
camera on my current wing or the next one?
L224[09:40:01] <Fluburtur> because that
will jsut slow it down a bit and it is already ultra slow
L225[09:41:31] <Deddly> I was referring to
the current setup you haven't test-flown yet
L226[09:41:48] <Deddly> CoM moves up
L227[09:41:51] <Althego> why would it make
it unstable?
L228[09:42:48] <Deddly> Althego, Unstable
in the sense that it has a tendency to roll. Not in the sense that
it will be uncontrollable
L229[09:43:09] <Deddly> Just like if you
build a plane in KSP and point the wings down
L230[09:43:12] <Fluburtur> eh not
really
L231[09:43:20] <Fluburtur> this one
doesn't have much roll
L232[09:43:23] <Fluburtur> and it is very
stable
L233[09:43:43] <Deddly> Fluburtur, I
believe you, but I'll be interested to hear how it goes :)
L234[09:43:47] <Fluburtur> well time to go
fly, I will send you the video
L235[09:43:54] <Deddly> Have fun!
L236[09:44:24] <Deddly> Althego, on the
other hand, having CoM below CoL in KSP will make the craft
auto-stabilise
L237[09:44:44] <Althego> yes, but this is
relatively light
L238[09:44:50] <Althego> only small
difference
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L240[09:45:14] <Deddly> Althego, well the
craft itself looks very light
L241[09:45:17] <Fluburtur> oh no the
camera is fairly heavy
L242[09:45:26] <Althego> then it might be
a problem
L243[09:45:29] <Fluburtur> I put it there
because im flying it on a single battery now
L244[09:45:36] <Althego> but real physics
will show us
L245[09:45:42] <Fluburtur> the whole plane
is like 1kg
L246[09:46:01] <Althego> probably no issue
with drag if it flies slowly
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L248[09:53:36] <mib_iduhku> I'm trying to
program a Kerbin de-orbit procedure. Using the vis-a-vis eq. to
calculate the deltaV to bring my periapsis down to ~40km. For the
calculation of my new velocity, is the semi-major axis the same as
the calculation for my current velocity?
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L251[10:00:00] <Deddly> Hi
mib_iduhku
L252[10:00:43] <Althego> hehe i dont
understand the question. not that i could help much, not exactly my
field
L253[10:01:15] <Althego> wasnt it the
vis-viva equation?
L254[10:01:36] <Deddly> Yeah same here,
sorry. Maybe someone like taniwha can help
L255[10:01:52] <Althego> but it is getting
late in japan
L256[10:02:12] <Althego> yes, past
midnight
L257[10:03:44] <Deddly> THAT'S NO
EXCUSE!
L258[10:04:41] <mib_iduhku> hehe derp, yes
the vis-visa equation
L259[10:05:34] <Althego> let's see. this
vis viva shows a connection between current distance and current
velocity, while knowing the semi major axis. now if i think of it
if you change the orbit from circular to slightly ellipsoidal with
a smaller minor axis, your current speed wouldnt change according
to it. since your semi major stays the same and your current
distance stays the same
L260[10:06:05] <Althego> (assuming a
momentary burn)
L261[10:06:19] <Althego> it could show you
your speed on the other side, when you are closer
L262[10:06:26] <Althego> but this is not
interesting for delta v
L263[10:07:40] <mib_iduhku> Hmm, I was
thinking: calculate current v at periap, calculate v at 40km,
subtract the two to get deltaV to apply at apoapsis to reach new
periapsis
L264[10:08:33] <Althego> as i said, i dont
have much experience with this, so i may be wrong
L265[10:08:44] <Althego> you could go up
in a craft and see what happens
L266[10:09:16] <Althego> there is
obviously some delta v needed, so there must be a way to calculate
it
L268[10:10:44] <mib_iduhku> I think I get
what you're saying: since orbit starts circular my major axis is
the same as the minor axis. When reducing an orbit at apoapsis your
deltaV only changes the periapsis so the minor axis will change but
the major axis won't?
L269[10:10:47] <Althego> i remember i
looked at this
L270[10:11:29] <Althego> oh wait a sec,
what you are doing is a hohmann transfer orbit
L271[10:11:36] <Althego> you could google
that
L272[10:12:15] <mib_iduhku> That leads me
back to vis-visa eq :P
L273[10:12:37] <mib_iduhku> But I think I
got my major axis question sorted out, shall try running my
program
L274[10:13:11] <Althego> that site i
linked seems to be containing the information
L275[10:13:17] <Althego> orbit altitude
changes
L276[10:14:26] <Althego> yes it seems to
be the vis viva
L277[10:14:27] <Althego> somehow
L278[10:15:38] <Althego> aha, only half of
it. the other half is a special case because it is circular
L279[10:17:00] <Althego> hehe it seems i
didnt know what the semi major axis was
L280[10:17:04] <Althego> it makes sense
now
L281[10:17:56] <Althego> anyway the hard
part is the aerobraking in this, to caclulate where it will
land...
L282[10:21:48] <mib_iduhku> Not aiming for
a specific spot or trying to handle aerobraking yet, just trying to
get periapsis to 40k, align retrograde until ~30k & enable
chutes
L283[10:23:21] <mib_iduhku> But maybe
eventually... I started a new game where I don't touch in-game
controls & only use programs to manipulate the vessel :)
L284[10:23:39] <Althego> must be
hard
L285[10:23:45] <Althego> and programming
is fun
L286[10:23:57] <Althego> but i am not sure
i would want to do this in ksp
L287[10:24:15] <Althego> even know, when i
dont do simulation anymore
L288[10:26:08] <mib_iduhku> It's very fun
:) I've gotten sub-orbital launches w/ automatic staging &
science collection, automatic maneuver executions, and launchpad to
LKO. Even wrapped it up in a terminal UI:
https://github.com/prikhi/ksp-automation
L289[10:26:36] <mib_iduhku> But I need a
de-orbit program to get the science from my orbital launches
:P
L290[10:30:20] <Fluburtur> im back
L291[10:30:30] <Fluburtur> I recorded for
8 minutes and the file is 1gig
L292[10:30:59] <Mat2ch> wow.
L293[10:31:05] <Mat2ch> Have fun uploading
this...
L294[10:31:44] <Fluburtur> also there was
a bit of wind so it was a bit of a rollercoaster up there
L295[10:31:49] <Fluburtur> spent helf the
time hovering
L296[10:36:56] <Pakaran> so Munar tourism
has me rich in funds (and, shortly, science).
L297[10:37:25] <Deddly> Fluburtur, how
were the flight characteristics compared to the same plane without
the camera?
L298[10:37:44] <Fluburtur> identical as
far as I can tell
L299[10:37:55] <Pakaran> I'm thinking
pretty soon I need R&D level 2, largely for the Mobile
Processing Lab and some other specific parts. I already have orange
tanks & other 2.5m gear.
L300[10:38:03] <Fluburtur> but because of
the wind the flight was a bit difficult so I can't really
tell
L301[10:39:11] <Pakaran> My question now:
For an initial Space Camp, do I just want a BFR with a few
Hitchhikers and life support containers, designed to land intact
minus upper stage engine, or is it too early to be thinking about a
'permanent' station?
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L303[10:40:33] <Pakaran> I'd need to start
setting alarms for crew rotation (playing UKS), and I'm wondering
if that's "worth it", even if the basic statio can likely
be done for well under twice the funds of the single-use BFR.
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L305[10:40:44] <Pakaran> *station
L306[10:41:08] <Pakaran> I suppose I could
also leave the station empty when not actively using it.
L307[10:41:26] <Deddly> Interesting
L308[10:41:57] <Pakaran> Thoughts?
L309[10:42:30] <Deddly> Pakaran, why not
just to whatever seems the most fun right now?
L310[10:42:37] <Pakaran> Designing the
station is intimidating. Especially since it would need multiple
accessible docking nodes, *after* I unlock the lab and add that and
a few other things.
L311[10:43:02] <Pakaran> Deddly, because I
overthink things? lol
L312[10:43:12] <Deddly> I personally like
to do big things with low tech
L313[10:43:21] <Deddly> Then upgrade as
needed
L314[10:43:31] <Pakaran> I might be able
to afford the lab now, but not with some life support parts I also
want.
L315[10:43:58] <Pakaran> for that matter,
if modules are docked, visting ships can deorbit obsolete
ones.
L316[10:44:46] <Pakaran> hmm...
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L319[11:03:02] <mib_iduhku> Althego:
Tested it and automated de-orbits work great now, thanks for
talking it out w/ me :)
L320[11:03:17] <Althego> haha i didnt
help
L321[11:08:50] <Fluburtur> I could
probably 3d print my airfoil templates but I guess the hot wire
cutter would destroy them quickly
L322[11:09:23] <Althego> unless you use
them for a mold to cast from bronze or something :)
L323[11:09:28] <Fluburtur> eh
L324[11:09:47] <Fluburtur> I make new
airfoil templates for almost every plane I make and I use them
twice
L325[11:09:54] <Althego> then it is
pointless
L326[11:10:24] <Fluburtur> but maybe one
day I will have enough templates that I can just reuse the old
ones
L327[11:10:35] <Fluburtur> I used the ones
I made for my flying wings a bunch of times
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L329[11:11:01] <Pakaran> well, I'm not
going to be launching until I recover Jeb in a few game days, but
this is a rough draft of my single-use spacecamp.
https://imgur.com/a/xCaz1
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L332[11:12:14] <Pakaran> Among other
things, it may be too heavy for the pad, but most of the ways to
fix that involve making the Poodle burn time even greater, and it's
going to circularize after apo as things stand, I suspect.
L333[11:13:27] <Pakaran> yeah, it needs to
be under 140 tonnes.
L334[11:14:03] <Althego> the solids are
usually really heavy
L335[11:14:44] <Pakaran> I could use a
bigger first stage, with two 2.5m engines, and no boosters,
Althego?
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L337[11:15:18] <Fluburtur> uh I would like
to make the wings of my bush plane today
L338[11:15:23] <Althego> if it helps your
mass problem
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L340[11:15:38] <Pakaran> I'm just not
experienced with making payloads this heavy, even to LKO.
L342[11:17:02] <kmath> YouTube - Slow Mo
4K Kittens
L343[11:17:28] <Pakaran> Not within a
factor of three, even.
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L347[11:30:32] <Pakaran> How's this? It's
still just slightly heavy, but has plenty of delta-V, and I can
remove mass from the main first stage tank (the drop tanks aren't
that big).
https://imgur.com/a/ZMm0C
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L350[11:34:31] <Pakaran> Oh, also, that
first stage engine doesn't provide thrust vectoring, so I'll
probably just add thrusters to the stage.
L351[11:36:11] <JCB> ... control surfaces
vs thrust vectoring..
L352[11:36:31] <Fluburtur> no
controls
L353[11:36:34] <Fluburtur> we orbit like
men
L354[11:36:36] <JCB> I've noticed
vectoring is pretty instant, surfaces take a little time to react,
adjust.
L355[11:36:39] <Althego> i have
control!
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L357[11:36:52] <Fluburtur> free trajectory
gravity turn
L358[11:37:08] <JCB> each to their
own
L359[11:38:24] <Pakaran> I've seen people
on Youtube succeed with making a gravity turn initiated by a single
goo container facing east.
L360[11:38:39] <Pakaran> To me, that seems
like a good way to plow into the ground at mach 2.
L361[11:38:40] <Althego> should be
enough
L362[11:38:44] <Althego> i could never
master this
L363[11:38:44] <Fluburtur> I have a rocket
that can orbit without touching the controls
L364[11:38:56] <Althego> because you need
to have a really tiny starting turn
L365[11:39:04] <Althego> that will
increase itself automatically
L366[11:41:07] <JCB> on the flip side,
people would call that lazy :P
L367[11:41:25] <Althego> lazyness drives
engineers
L368[11:41:39] <Pakaran> well, the CoM
imbalance will increase itself as the craft lightens.
L369[11:42:07] <Pakaran> I feel like you'd
want actual differential equations, or a bunch of trial and error,
to make it increase itself the right total amount.
L370[11:43:04] <JCB> as long as it flies,
makes it to orbit, however you do it.. does what you want...
L371[11:43:20] <Pakaran> yeah
L372[11:43:30] <Althego> so what you want
'cause a pirate is free
L373[11:43:40] <Pakaran> and making it to
orbit in stockish is fairly easy to over-engineer.
L374[11:44:20] <Althego> all jool missions
tend to be a bit heavy and putting them into orbit is hard
L375[11:44:26] <Althego> maybe not now
with the 5 m part
L376[11:44:27] <Althego> s
L378[11:45:20] <Pakaran> is that with or
without mining the moons?
L379[11:46:11] <Althego> you want that as
your garden barbecue?
L380[11:47:04] <Althego> laythe does not
require much because of airbreathing, the main issue is tylo, and
landing there requires lot of fuel anyway, so not much point to
mine
L381[11:48:45] <Mat2ch> But you can mine
there to get off it again. ;P
L382[11:49:03] <Althego> fairly little
gain, and you have to use more fuel to land the mining rig
L383[11:49:24] <Pakaran> hmm true
L385[11:50:46] <kmath> YouTube -
Compressorhead-Ace of Spades-Now with 350kg Singer
L387[11:53:07] <JCB> Fluburtur ...
warmer...
L388[11:54:08] <JCB> makes me wonder how
much heat those parts have to endure sitting in the jet
blast..
L390[11:55:30] <kmath> YouTube - All 5
Joolian moons with a single common core
L391[11:55:57] <Althego> huh this was
already a long time ago
L392[11:56:11] <Althego> lasst few months
i was eaither too tired to do anything or i was playing
career
L393[11:57:27] <Althego> hmm so the indian
launch was a success
L394[11:57:36] <Althego> 2 other launches
upcoming in 1 hour
L395[11:57:44] <Althego> spacex
tomorrow
L396[11:58:12] <Althego> but one is some
russian defence thing the other is chinese, doubt there is any
stream
L397[12:01:02] <Althego> hah this is
strange, the boosters are hypergolic, the first stage is
solid
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L422[13:49:21] <ve2dmn> A booster is often
a solid choice
L423[13:49:38] <Althego> is that a
pun?
L424[13:51:03] <Althego> but on the indian
rocket it is the core, and the boosters are hypergolic liquid
L425[13:51:36] <Althego> well, no update
on the russian and chinese rockets
L426[13:55:00] <Alanonzander> Althego:
They are jsut a blast ;)
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L428[13:57:19] <Guest38478> Hello
L429[13:57:22] <Mod9000> Hello,
Guest38478
L430[13:57:42] <Guest38478> Can you help
me with something?
L431[13:58:09] <Althego> maybe
L432[13:59:12] <Guest38478> Alright well
I'm wondering how exactly you calculate the launch window for
Duna
L434[13:59:51] <Althego> or some mod, i
think maybe kerbal alarm clock has the same thing in game
L435[14:00:31] <Guest38478> Sweet,
thanks!
L436[14:01:21] <Althego> but i can tell
you that first window is year 1 day 230, +- say a dozen days
L437[14:03:03] <ve2dmn> Tranfer window
planner by TriggerAu
L439[14:05:49] <Althego> i am pretty sure
it was also in one of the big mods, maybe mechjeb? but i dont use
those so i cant remember
L440[14:06:05] <ve2dmn> it works with
KAC
L441[14:06:17] <ve2dmn> It's the same
author as KAC
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L445[14:24:58] <Rokker> Glass|phone: not
gonna lie, the x-wing a-10 was kinda dope
L446[14:27:01] <JCB> mm... someone should
try a BSG Viber A-10 cross over next :)
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L453[14:40:29] <mabus> there is a porkchop
plot built into mechjeb that makes it easy
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L457[14:44:57] <Althego> if they did,
there wouldnt be so many idiots
L458[14:45:31] <SnoopJeDi> cosmic brain:
members of congress are robots
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L470[15:04:57] <N70> Question, is the
Unlicense compatible with CC-BY-SA-NC 4.0?
L471[15:06:31] <SnoopJeDi> as in, can
something Unlicense be redistributed under CC-BY-SA-NC 4.0? Yes, it
looks that way. "Anyone is free to...publish...or distribute
this software...by any means."
L472[15:06:57] <ve2dmn> sounds like the
BSD licence in a way
L473[15:07:01] <SnoopJeDi> And it counts
as a public domain statement in places where that's a thing (most
places), so it's basically CC-0
L474[15:07:26] <SnoopJeDi> seems like a
memelicense though :/
L475[15:07:46] <ve2dmn> meme
licence?
L476[15:08:17] <ve2dmn> Can I haz this
things without strings? K thx buy!
L477[15:08:46] <SnoopJeDi> This one isn't
quite that bad, but there are e.g. JSON license ("The Software
shall be used for Good, not Evil."), and the WTFPL
L478[15:08:57] <SnoopJeDi> which are very
kitschy and statement-y and also legally worse than doing nothing
imo
L479[15:09:27] <SnoopJeDi> well, not quite
that bad, but jesus use something that legitimate foundations have
spent a substantial amount of money and time on!
L480[15:11:24] <SnoopJeDi> I do like how
concise it is vs CC0, but that's not necessarily always a selling
point in the legal world unfortuantely :/
L481[15:15:03] <UmbralRaptop> So, does the
JSON license basically mean that the software is still
copyrighted?
L482[15:15:43] <SnoopJeDi> the JSON
license basically means it's JSON itself, I don't know of anything
else that uses the license because it's a stupid license
>:(
L483[15:15:46] <UmbralRaptop> (ie:
unusable for 70-150 years)
L484[15:15:49] <SnoopJeDi> like
intentionally designed to be bad
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L487[15:28:47] <Fluburtur> Mat2ch so im
cutting the wings for my bush plane and im considering making it a
biplane
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L489[15:35:19] <Mat2ch> but why? :D
L490[15:35:28] <Fluburtur> because I
can
L491[15:35:45] <Fluburtur> it wouldn't
look like a bush plane but that would be nuts
L492[15:35:51] <Fluburtur> tons of lift
and super low wing loading
L493[15:36:22] <Mat2ch> and very good roll
characteristics
L494[15:36:27] <Fluburtur> yeah
L495[15:36:40] <Fluburtur> probably very
slow too but that would actually be good
L496[15:43:15] <kuzetsa> SnoopJeDi: yeah,
unlicense is about as vague as I go myself
L497[15:43:47] <SnoopJeDi> It's on the
same level of terseness as MIT so I suppose it's nbd
L498[15:43:48] <kuzetsa> oh nuts my
scrollbuffer was in the past that's not a recent thing I'm replying
to (oops)
L499[15:43:55] <SnoopJeDi> mostly I just
hate that people reinvent the copyleft wheel
L500[15:44:04] <kuzetsa> nod
L501[15:44:06] <SnoopJeDi> If you had
something interesting to say in your new license okay sure that'd
be neat
L502[15:44:14] <ve2dmn> SnoopJeDi: insert
relevant xkcd
L503[15:44:17] <SnoopJeDi> but if you're
doing it to be an edgelord, you are in fact part of the
problem
L504[15:44:21] <kuzetsa> ve2dmn: IKR
L505[15:44:29] <kuzetsa> >.<
L506[15:44:43] <kuzetsa> I can't even
think about edgelords / devbro politics right now :(
L507[15:45:32] <ve2dmn> I don't know what
you are referencing
L509[15:45:53] <SnoopJeDi> generally
speaking: people with half-baked ideas who are confident in
peddling those ideas because they are Very Smart™
L510[15:46:08] <SnoopJeDi> c.f. the Google
memo
L511[15:46:20] <ve2dmn> so... the TV show
about silicon valley?
L512[15:46:39] <SnoopJeDi> ...the one
called Silicon Valley? :P
L513[15:46:54] <ve2dmn> hum... yes
:D
L514[15:46:54] <SnoopJeDi> but yea that
comic is certainly valid for licenses
L515[15:48:48] <ve2dmn> I'm currently
playing Halcyon 6... kind of distracted :D
L516[15:50:59] <jgkamat> ve2dmn: do you
like it so far? I have very mixed feelings about that game
L517[15:51:13] <ve2dmn> The original or
the lightspeed edition?
L518[15:51:18] <jgkamat> I've only played
lightspeed
L519[15:51:33] <ve2dmn> I've backed the
kickstarter
L520[15:51:52] <ve2dmn> The lightspeed
edition fixed a few of the problem the original one had
L521[15:53:16] <ve2dmn> And I like the
added elements of the DLC
L522[15:55:29] <ve2dmn> I do rememeber the
original beta were there was a bug and the ennemy would spawn so
many fleets, it was impossible to win
L523[15:55:37] <jgkamat> oh, I haven't
tried the DLC. The Lightspeed edition looked a lot better than the
original when looking at the criticisms
L524[15:55:41] <ve2dmn> but that beta was
nly chapter 1
L525[15:56:24] <ve2dmn> DLC adds a special
Mixed-class ship that is upgraded by artifacts
L526[15:58:29] <jgkamat> hmm, that does
sound pretty interesting, maybe I'll get it :)
L527[15:59:23] <ve2dmn> it's the only
'Tier 6' ship
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L530[16:12:34] <mabus> im still a bit
miffed this new content comes with a price tag
L531[16:14:21] <ve2dmn> ?
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L533[16:16:33] <ve2dmn> cuz you paid for
the classic edition?
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L540[16:35:50] <Fluburtur> time for some
printer tuning
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L542[16:51:29] <StCipher> 3D
printer?
L543[16:55:06] <Fluburtur> yes
L544[16:55:22] <Fluburtur> actually no
it's a gaming pc
L545[16:56:07] <ve2dmn> :D
L546[16:56:44] <StCipher> i was gonna say
lol right now i am dealing with tuning with my 3D printer.
L547[16:56:59] <StCipher> until i can
purchase a new one, since this one is so old, onboard memory isn't
effectively printing accurate models.
L548[16:57:48] <Fluburtur> im not having
too much problems with mine now that it works kinda properly
L549[16:57:57] <Fluburtur> it's a cheapo
anet one so I did a bunch of upgrades
L551[17:01:35] <Fluburtur> I should put a
led on the print head to light up the stuff it is printing
L554[17:05:26] <Blaank> I did, too.
L555[17:05:55] <Fluburtur> not bad
L557[17:06:12] <kmath> YouTube - ExoMars
Arrival Update - One Crash, One Successful Orbiter
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L559[17:09:25] <Fluburtur> I try to
imagine scott with hair now
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L563[17:58:32] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
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L568[18:38:37] <Supernovy> I was about to
say "Hey that's like the thing KwirkyJ was working on"
Then I actually read the title.
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L573[18:51:00] <mabus> why is surviving
mars popular? planetbase is multiple times better
L574[18:51:58] <ve2dmn> ecaue it's
new?
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L577[18:54:43] <mabus> its like a
simplified clone of it
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L581[19:02:07] <ve2dmn> mabus: do you have
good maps for planetbase?
L582[19:03:11] <mabus> i tried a few of
the things on the workshop but nothing was as fun as the core
game
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L584[19:03:38] <mabus> i like games i'm
likely to fail at. ksp, planetbase, civ, rust
L585[19:08:08] <ve2dmn> mabus: but the
choise of landing site on planetbase makes all the difference
L586[19:19:49] <N70> hey guys
L587[19:19:55] <N70> can you help me with
antenna range balancing
L588[19:20:08] <N70> what should be the
range for an antenna that can connect with most of the INNER solar
system
L589[19:23:47] <ve2dmn> depend on
KSC
L590[19:25:20] <Supernovy> You mean up to
Duna? The range needs to be Duna's SMA (or apoapsis) plus Kerbin's
SMA to get to duna from Kerbin at furthest point
L591[19:26:12] <Supernovy> Then you can
reverse the range equation to get the antenna's range.
L592[19:26:55] <Supernovy>
(kerbinsma+dunaap) = sqrt( DSNrange * antennarange )
L593[19:27:45] <Supernovy> then balance it
for a specific DSN power. I can't remember them off the top of my
head, but they'll be easy to find.
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saw rust i immediately thought the language, and was like,
"yeah, i know that feel."
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L611[20:08:40] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: Han Solo did not kill his wife! It was the
Narn Ambassador, but Agent K did not care.
L613[20:14:29] <Scolar_Visari> Mmmm, peer
reviewed excellence.
L614[20:15:31] <ConductorCat> :3
L615[20:16:13] <Scolar_Visari> From the
article: "These findings are consistent with modeling studies,
which indicate that Earth would have had an ocean before the era of
giant impacts and that this ocean was retained despite the high
energy of this terminal accretion phase."
L616[20:16:51] *
Scolar_Visari ponders the amusing possibility that life developed
on Earth prior to the Moon's formation and was utterly extinguished
by Theia's impact.
L617[20:17:40] <Eddi|zuHause> but would
that not mean that that impact would also have slung vast amount of
waters into the future moon's accretion material?
L618[20:18:02] <Eddi|zuHause> where has
all this moon-water gone then?
L619[20:18:52] <Scolar_Visari> It was
likely lost during the Moon's accretion.
L620[20:19:23] <Scolar_Visari> Remember:
The current understanding of the Giant Impact has the Moon
developing from the debris of the impact in orbit beyond the Roche
limit, rather than as a singular chunk.
L621[20:19:59] <Eddi|zuHause> yes, like a
ring that slowly accumulated into the moon that we know today
L622[20:21:25] <Scolar_Visari> There's
more at Robinson & Taylor's, "Hetereogeneous distribution
of water in the Moon" Nature Geoscience 2014
https://www.higp.hawaii.edu/~gjtaylor/GG-673/Moon/Robinson+Taylor(2014).pdf
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L624[20:22:43] <Scolar_Visari> From that
article: "A chief geochemical virtue of this model is the hot
conditions led to loss of volatile elements, explaining the strong
depletion of volatile elements in the Moon compared with
Earth."
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L626[20:24:11] <Scolar_Visari> And the
formation of the Moon was hardly slow: Some estimates have the new
ring system forming into most of the Moon within a month!
L627[20:25:15] <UmbralRaptop> !!!
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L629[20:25:43] <UmbralRaptop> (And I
thought 100 years was fast)
L630[20:26:18] <mabus> americans think 100
years is a long time, europeans think 100 miles is a long
distance
L631[20:26:51] <taniwha> both are mere
blips
L632[20:27:16] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptop: I often like to think of interstellar civilizations
selling tickets aboard luxury passenger liners with the expressed
purpose of watching giant, satellite forming impacts.
L633[20:27:47] <UmbralRaptop> Hah
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L635[20:31:25] <Scolar_Visari> They'd also
run services for ring forming examples of moons falling into the
Roche limits of their planets.
L637[20:34:15] <ve2dmn> I know it's
someone's name, but I find it interesting that the limit is
basically called the 'Rock limit'
L639[20:35:54] <taniwha> heh, as I
suspected
L640[20:37:10] <UmbralRaptop>
Incidentally, it was really interesting to watch them figure out
how to best get food out of that box, and carry it up into the
trees to eat.
L641[20:37:16] <Eddi|zuHause> i think i'm
missing the joke in that picture
L642[20:37:48] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: If
they explain it, the humor fields will dissipate!
L643[20:38:10] <Scolar_Visari> It's like
degaussing, but totes not funny.
L644[20:38:23] <Eddi|zuHause> poor
gauss
L645[20:38:28] <Eddi|zuHause> never has
any fun
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L648[20:39:08] <Eddi|zuHause> Gauss was on
the 10DM bill, until they were abolished with the
euro-introduction
L649[20:41:03] <Scolar_Visari> And in
today's Next Big Future' shenanigans: "Increasing the number
of side-boosters from two sets of side boosters to four sets on a
SpaceX Falcon Heavy would create a 100-ton payload capacity Falcon
Super Heavy with two more side boosters can be created that would
match any planned Space Launch System that could fly for the next
ten years."
L650[20:41:19] <Eddi|zuHause> there was
also a picture of a bell curve and the formula for normal
distribution on that bill
L651[20:41:41] <Supernovy> Elon
Moarboosters
L652[20:42:06] <taniwha> Eddi|zuHause:
look up what a flock of crows is called
L653[20:42:07] <Scolar_Visari> Surprise
twist: SpaceX will only add on more boosters to the Falcon Heavy if
they're solid fuel.
L654[20:42:30] <Scolar_Visari> taniwha: A
massacre? An ethnic cleansing? Oh, wait, I know . . . A
Slaughter!
L655[20:42:43] <taniwha> heh
L657[20:43:18] <TheKosmonaut> taniwha: A
gaggle of crows!
L658[20:43:37] <TheKosmonaut> Sounds less
scary
L659[20:43:42] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Was
that properly deguassed?
L660[20:44:24] <ve2dmn> Ho English with
your Terms of venery
L661[20:44:27] <Eddi|zuHause> dunno, but
it has that metal stripe through the middle to detect
forgeries
L662[20:44:33] <taniwha> TheKosmonaut:
manslaughter for the goose?
L663[20:45:01] <Eddi|zuHause> i've never
heard the word "venery" before either
L664[20:45:51] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: The
trick is to forge metal currencies instead!
L665[20:45:57] <TheKosmonaut> taniwha:
have you ever seen someone write something in
"Anglish"?
L666[20:46:08] <TheKosmonaut> If english
had no latin words
L667[20:46:27] <taniwha> Oh, I thought it
might be something written by a fish
L668[20:46:30] <ve2dmn> TheKosmonaut: it
was on the farseer
L669[20:46:37] <taniwha> but no
L670[20:46:48] <taniwha> (and the fish bit
was jest)
L671[20:47:16] <Eddi|zuHause>
Scolar_Visari: you mean like, coins? i don't think people tried
that before...
L672[20:47:21] <Scolar_Visari> Kosmonaut:
If English had no Latin words, it'd just bludgeon French over the
head to steal more if its words.
L673[20:47:47] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: It's
not that difficult, simply not worth it. Though debasing coins
based on precious metals used to be a serious issue.
L674[20:47:58] <TheKosmonaut> Four score
and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this greatland, a
new folkship, dreamt in freedom, and sworn to the forthput that all
men are made evenworthy. Now we are betrothed in a great folk-war,
testing whether that folkship, or any folkship so born and so
sworn, can long withstand. We are met on a great battle-field of
that war.
L675[20:48:06] <taniwha> and we'd be
eating iron with our pork for breakfast
L676[20:48:09] <Eddi|zuHause>
Scolar_Visari: just cut all the coins in half?
L677[20:48:20] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: More
like changing the ratio of gold and silver to other metals.
L678[20:48:35] <Scolar_Visari> Certain
regions, such as Venice, were respected for their consistent
ratios.
L679[20:48:39] <Eddi|zuHause> like modern
pennies have virtually no copper in them anymore?
L680[20:49:02] <Scolar_Visari> Though
cutting coins was also, at one point, a way of splitting them into
handy denominations.
L681[20:49:09] <Eddi|zuHause> pieces of
eight
L682[20:49:20] <taniwha> two bits
L683[20:49:23] <Scolar_Visari> 2.5%
copper.
L684[20:50:25] <Eddi|zuHause> well, what
size of fractional bitcoin is traded nowadays?
L685[20:50:25] *
Scolar_Visari ponders if debasing was a serious issue for the
copper loving, coin casting pre-paper currency
Chinese.
L686[20:50:55] <Eddi|zuHause> when was
that? 1000 years ago?
L687[20:51:10] <Eddi|zuHause> i know way
too little about chinese history
L688[20:51:31] <TheKosmonaut> taniwha:
"Banded Folkdoms of Americksland"
L689[20:52:14] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi:
Roughly about. It's always fascinated me because they cast coins
via molds, rather than presses as did Europe./
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L691[20:53:23] <taniwha> TheKosmonaut:
:)
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L697[20:54:51] *
Scolar_Visari ponders if A Series of Unfortunate Events premieres
midnight Eastern time or midnight Pacific time
L698[20:55:01] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know
what to think of this "Anglish" thing. there have been
movements to get rid of foreign influences in the german language,
usually associated with the nazis.
L699[20:56:30] <TheKosmonaut> That has
very little to do with a fictional language
L700[20:57:55] <Scolar_Visari>
Klingon?
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L706[21:02:07] *
Scolar_Visari wonders why the Dark Elves have been able to take
over Ulthaun so quickly.
L707[21:02:11] <taniwha> Eddi|zuHause:
there's a world of difference between [proposed] language purity
laws and playing around to see what a "pure" laungauge
would be like
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L709[21:02:51] <taniwha> (or using a
"pure" language for fiction)
L710[21:04:05] <taniwha> the former is
very much something at which one should look askance, the latter is
perfectly harmless
L711[21:04:16] <Scolar_Visari> Oh well, I
suppose this gives me a good opportunity to, "liberate"
the high elves.
L712[21:05:14] <Scolar_Visari> Harmless?
Nonsense! Even a pure language could still have words for hurting
feelings.
L713[21:05:41] <taniwha> ok, mostly
harmless :P
L714[21:06:07] <taniwha> and really, it's
not the words that hurt, but the intent behind them :P
L715[21:06:25] <taniwha> (and perceived
intent taken from them)
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L717[21:06:39] <Eddi|zuHause> exactly, so
what is the intent behind creating a "pure"
language?
L718[21:07:07] <ve2dmn> Eddi|zuHause: I
guess to see how much of English is Latin?
L719[21:07:15] <TheKosmonaut>
Eddi|zuHause: You're reading entirely too much into it
L720[21:07:16] <TheKosmonaut> But ok
L721[21:07:38] <Eddi|zuHause> besides,
parallel to the "enrichment" of english with crazy
amounts of latin- or french-derived words, it also underwent a
significant reduction in grammar complexity
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L725[21:08:02] <Eddi|zuHause> so any
"Anglish" language that would have been created would
have also closer grammar to german
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L727[21:08:07] <taniwha> Eddi|zuHause: to
exercise the imagination
L728[21:08:14] <Eddi|zuHause> as in, cases
and genders
L729[21:08:15] <TheKosmonaut> Some people
do things for fun
L730[21:08:26] <ve2dmn> Eddi|zuHause:
check the video by Langfocus
L731[21:08:53] <Eddi|zuHause> quite
possible i've seen that
L732[21:09:46] <ConductorCat> :3
L733[21:10:06] <Eddi|zuHause> on a
different note: i don't know why, but youtube somehow has trouble
loading in "private" browser windows lately
L734[21:10:08] <TheKosmonaut> taniwha:
some of the words are rather funny to read out loud
L735[21:10:19] <TheKosmonaut>
"Foresitter" < guess what that is in normal
english
L736[21:10:37] <Eddi|zuHause> a
chairman
L737[21:10:53] <Eddi|zuHause>
"Vorsitzender"
L738[21:11:13] *
Scolar_Visari strongly suspects half the words in the German
language are simply made up and have no meaning.
L739[21:11:54] <taniwha> and the other
half have made up meanings
L740[21:11:57] <taniwha> ;)
L741[21:12:14] <Eddi|zuHause>
Scolar_Visari: is that better than half of the words in the english
language are simply made up to claim the other side is
uneducated?
L742[21:12:18] <Scolar_Visari> What kind
of language just allows people to make up new words by combining
any other combination of words they wish!?
L743[21:12:44] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Oh
no. As I said before, English bludgeons other languages over the
head to steal their words. Context be darned!
L744[21:12:48] <TheKosmonaut> "When
in the flow of unfoldings, it becomes needed for one Folk to forend
mothercake ties, and to onget among the right of the earth, the
sunderly and even statheling to which the Lund Laws and of Lund's
God thware them, a thewly onget to the wens of mankind ettles that
they should mathel the frumes ording them towards selfrede."
I'll give you 3 guesses to figure out what text this is
L745[21:12:49] <Eddi|zuHause> like calling
flocks of bird random other words
L746[21:12:56] <Eddi|zuHause> depending on
what bird it is
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L748[21:13:01] <TheKosmonaut>
Eddi|zuHause: You were right, though it's the title of the
President
L749[21:13:41] <Eddi|zuHause>
TheKosmonaut: like there's only one president in the world?
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L752[21:14:02] *
Scolar_Visari seriously suggests the Danes and French speaking
Normans have a lot to answer for as far as English is
concerned.
L753[21:14:14] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: Yeah:
The President of the Earth Federation.
L754[21:14:19] <TheKosmonaut>
Eddi|zuHause: So when you were born, did the doctors surgically
remove the funny bone from you or were you just born without
one?
L755[21:14:40] <Eddi|zuHause> what are you
talking about? i'm laughing my ass off right now :p
L756[21:15:15] <TheKosmonaut>
"Foresitter of the Banded Folkdoms of Americksland" The
world woudl certainly be a goofier place with all these silly
titles
L757[21:15:45] <Scolar_Visari> Kosmonaut:
That would certainly make CSPAN more entertaining.
L758[21:15:51] <Eddi|zuHause>
TheKosmonaut: the point about that language is, if you actually
grew up learning it, it would be the most normal thing in the
world
L759[21:16:07] *
TheKosmonaut gives up
L760[21:16:21] <Eddi|zuHause> it's only
funny because you're looking at it from the outside
L761[21:16:27] <TheKosmonaut> YES
L762[21:16:29] <TheKosmonaut> THAT IS THE
POINT
L763[21:16:45] <Scolar_Visari> Kosmonaut:
I sort of wish they'd bring back titles of nobility and have
professional heralds spend several minutes per noble announcing
their many titles.
L764[21:16:46] <TheKosmonaut> Which is
what I was talking to taniwha about in the first place
L765[21:16:47] <Eddi|zuHause> you know the
XKCD about eating spiders?
L766[21:16:50] <TheKosmonaut> It's silly
because it isnt real
L767[21:16:57] <TheKosmonaut> That is the
entire point of the conversation
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L769[21:17:38] <TheKosmonaut> No gov't
body is trying to forcibly make people speak this language, it is a
made up language by internet folk that are probably in the same
vein as those that do alternate history posts in KSP. It's not
meant to be taken seriously.
L770[21:17:46] <Eddi|zuHause>
Scolar_Visari: instead we have people with 7 doctorates and 3
professorships, that get really mad if you forget one when
adressing them
L771[21:18:00] <Scolar_Visari> IE:
President Lincoln, Breaker of Chains, Father of Iron Clads,
etc.
L772[21:18:08] <ve2dmn> German, where
Marslandungsbremsraketenbedienungsanleitungsübersicht is a real
word
L773[21:18:28] <Eddi|zuHause> what would
you do without it?
L774[21:18:30] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
They should include hyphens in there to give people a chance to
breathe.
L775[21:18:48] <ve2dmn> and if aren't
sure, check the
Marslandungsbremsraketenbedienungsanleitungskurzübersichtsinhaltsverzeichnis
first
L776[21:18:49] <Eddi|zuHause>
Scolar_Visari: early writing didn't include spaces between
words
L777[21:19:10] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi: And
that's where we get scribes screwing up translations!
L779[21:19:16] <Scolar_Visari> Or, rather,
transcriptions.
L780[21:19:33] <Eddi|zuHause>
Scolar_Visari: thing is, it probably makes perfect sense if you
speak the language properly
L781[21:20:09] <Scolar_Visari> Read more
than speak. I can see why spaces might be skipped in certain forms
of writing because parchment was hideously expensive.
L782[21:20:36] <Eddi|zuHause> i've no
trouble separating
Mars|landung(s)brems|raketen|bedienung(s)anleitung(s)kurz|übersicht(s)inhalt(s)verzeichnis
L783[21:20:51] <Eddi|zuHause> into its
component words
L784[21:21:24] <taniwha> Eddi|zuHause: it
has been observed that those with actual doctorates do not get
upset when one (or even all) are missed
L785[21:21:30] <taniwha> (generally)
L786[21:21:36] <Scolar_Visari> Ah, but as
I mentioned, this was a problem with scribes. Remember: Not all
were literate!
L787[21:22:08] <Scolar_Visari> And it also
gets more confusing with exotic languages like hieroglyphics, where
symbols can stand for sounds *and* for ideas!
L788[21:22:53] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm kinda
imagining people in 1000 years trying to decipher texts with emojis
and emoticons
L789[21:23:37] <Scolar_Visari> The poop
emoji will likely have a few cephalopod professors scratching their
mantles in bewilderment.
L790[21:24:31] <Eddi|zuHause> trying to
decipher whether this specific emoji is used more as a word or as
an interpunctuation
L791[21:24:35] <Scolar_Visari> "By
Jove, Doctor Nautilus, I think I have it! The humans were
communicating the need for chocolate ice cream! IT all makes sense
now!"
L792[21:24:49] <ve2dmn> The poop emoji
made a lot of sense in Japanese....
L793[21:25:02] <ve2dmn> but take anything
outside of context and....
L794[21:25:21] <ve2dmn> ...well... you get
thing like poop emojis
L795[21:25:28] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
They'll need a digital Rosetta Stone or this stuff's never getting
understood.
L796[21:26:05] <Scolar_Visari> Oh, wait,
very little of it would survive in any event!
L797[21:26:16] <ve2dmn> The etymology of
characters in Japanese,chinese or any realted language is hard
enough right now...
L798[21:26:28] <ve2dmn> I can only imagine
10000 years in the future
L799[21:26:32] <Eddi|zuHause> keep in mind
that they probably won't have electronic copies of the texts, but
printed out and archived copies from people who were themselves not
very involved in "internet culture"
L800[21:26:49] <Scolar_Visari> Eddi:
Printed copies would be unlikely to last unless deliberately
preserved.
L801[21:27:20] *
Scolar_Visari ponders emoji based texts being transcribed on to
parchment made of the finest cow skins.
L802[21:27:54] <Eddi|zuHause> i mean the
kind of people that gather "important" texts, and put
them in some bunker in the middle of nowhere for future generations
to find after civilization broke down
L803[21:28:32] <ve2dmn> like the
foundation of the long now?
L804[21:28:34] <Scolar_Visari> Heck, a lot
of the reason truly ancient languages are known in any fashion is
because they were not left on mediums like paper but on objects
made of stone.
L805[21:28:35] <Eddi|zuHause> there's a
government agency in germany that does that kind of stuff
L806[21:28:51] <Scolar_Visari> I can't
imagine anyone going out of their way to make an Obelisk covered in
Emojis.
L807[21:29:38] *
Scolar_Visari does recall the macabre reality that some cuneiform
texts were preserved via baking because the buildings they were
stored in caught on fire.
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L809[21:30:02] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, a
whole library full of cuneiform
L810[21:33:33] <Scolar_Visari> And to
think of all the documents made of exported papyrus that wasted
away because of local humidity.
L811[21:35:31] <Eddi|zuHause> the
"important german culture" bunker mostly contains barrels
full of microfiche
L812[21:37:32] <Scolar_Visari> Go stone or
go home!
L813[21:37:54] <Scolar_Visari> I wanna see
museums with history literally written on the walls!
L814[21:38:29] *
Scolar_Visari envisions the American Civil War done in the New
Kingdom style with a massive Abraham Lincoln stomping on tiny
figures.
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L819[21:40:34] <Scolar_Visari> Hrm . . .
Lincoln = Narmer !?
L820[21:41:12] <Scolar_Visari> I mean,
they both united their territories and both wore sweet gigantic
hats.
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L822[21:42:13] <Eddi|zuHause> well, we
have a giant abraham lincoln, but since it's made of marble, it
will decay from acid over time
L823[21:43:41] <Scolar_Visari> Don't
worry, he's sitting in a house not unlike Egyptian and Greek
temples had their cult statues protected within (albeit with less
gold leaf and ivory).
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at Olympia.
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L827[21:44:50] <Eddi|zuHause> when i
visited washington, they claimed that if you listened carefully,
you could hear the statue sizzeling like a tab in water
L828[21:45:19] <ve2dmn> what do you think
most greek statues were made of?
L829[21:45:51] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
Well, most of the cult statues were looted before decay became a
concern.
L830[21:45:59] <Eddi|zuHause> maybe greece
is less acidic than washington?
L831[21:46:40] <ve2dmn> I said 'were' not
are :D
L832[21:47:52] <ve2dmn> but Scolar_Visari
is the closest to the truth: most were made of metal and got melted
to make... something else
L833[21:47:52] <Scolar_Visari> There was
also a liberal amount of bronze use ala the Colossus of
Rhodes.
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L835[21:48:47] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
Well, in the case of particularly famous statues like the Zeus at
Olympia, it's likely that the gold leaf and ivory panels was simply
torn off and sold if not made into commermorative jewelery.
L836[21:49:22] <ve2dmn> 'looting' in
general
L837[21:49:23] <Eddi|zuHause> oh there's a
fair share of german monuments that got melted into cannons during
WWI and WWII
L838[21:49:34] <ve2dmn> same idea
L839[21:49:55] <Scolar_Visari> Though the
Colossus of Rhodes is an interesting case in that much of its
bronze was derived from abandoned weapons and armor.
L840[21:52:30] <ve2dmn> Ever the Japanese
recycled the statues during the war. The Hachiko statue in Tokyo's
Shibuya railroad station is a new 1948 one...
L841[21:53:12] <ve2dmn> Even*
L842[21:53:27] <Scolar_Visari> Given the
severe shortage of raw materials, that's to be expected.
L843[21:53:47] <Eddi|zuHause> i've heard
of some statues being replaced after the war from the original
molds, or some temporary molds that were created before melting the
statue
L844[21:56:16] *
Scolar_Visari ponders the scenario in Demolition Man where a museum
was looted because it was the only place in future California with
working firearms.
L845[21:56:53] <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds
like a really unlikely scenario
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L847[22:00:14] <Scolar_Visari> It wasn't
so bad, so long as you liked Taco Bell.
L848[22:00:39] <Scolar_Visari> Though the
music in the future sucks: The only genre played on the radio are
advertisement jingles.
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L850[22:04:51] <GlassYuri> "a QA
tester walks into a bar. orders a beer. orders 0 beers. orders
999999999999 beers. orders lksdhflkhsdfg beers. orders a lizard.
orders a ;DROP TABLE DRINKS"
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L852[22:07:21] <ConductorCat> :3
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L854[22:11:51] <Rokker> Eddi|zuHause: idk,
knowing california it doesn't sound too implausible
L855[22:22:37] <Draconiator> I wonder if
the MicroSD card is still the smallest storage medium out
there...
L856[22:29:19] <Rokker> Draconiator: eh.
give it 5 years and you will be able yo store a terabyte on a
single atom
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L859[22:55:41] <TheKosmonaut> Rokker:
finally, they'll make your brain capable of storing
information
L860[22:55:54] <Supernovy> Imagine the
possibilities.
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L867[23:45:17] <cringe> ISS Urine Tank
Level: 24%
L868[23:56:09] <Althego> low
L869[23:56:15] <Althego> they better work
on it