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L1[00:00:54] <Althego> maybe
L2[00:01:19] <Guest19849> oh ok
L3[00:01:21] <Guest19849> so nobody
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L5[00:03:35] <Guest19849> hi
L6[00:03:36] <Mod9000> Hello, Guest19849
L7[00:03:43] <Guest19849> hi
L8[00:03:44] <Mod9000> Hello, Guest19849
L9[00:03:47] <Guest19849> oh
L10[00:03:49] <Guest19849> :(
L11[00:03:55] <taniwha> yeah, it's a bot
L12[00:04:20] <Guest19849> :(
L13[00:04:32] <taniwha> I'm pretty certain I am not a bot
L14[00:06:08] <VanDisaster> what was the test in bladerunner called again?
L15[00:06:35] <Gasher[work]> voit-kampf? (idk spelling lol)
L16[00:07:15] <VanDisaster> voight-kampff, nearly
L17[00:08:28] <Gasher[work]> i have never seen it written in english lol
L18[00:08:53] <taniwha> bah, you had it phonetically :)
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L20[00:09:17] <taniwha> the rest is just greebling
L21[00:15:17] <Eddi|zuHause> bah. blade runner reminds me of my unsuccessful attempts at recording it from TV last time
L22[00:16:05] <Eddi|zuHause> (they were showing it around the release of the new movie)
L23[00:17:30] <Eddi|zuHause> my HDD ran full, so i missed some minutes at the end, so i tried recording the rerun, but that shifted so much compared to the scheduled time that even more minutes were missing from the end
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L32[01:43:32] <Althego> hmm 4 launches after 2 and before 2.5 days
L33[01:43:51] <Althego> if they dont slip, it will be quite a traffic
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L35[01:55:33] <tivec> so, i seem to have multiple stock buttons in the toolbar: https://i.imgur.com/w76Iyeo.png
L36[01:55:39] <tivec> any suggestions why that would happen?
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L39[02:05:32] <GlassYuri> ...one of the bugs in my game disappeared without me remembering having fixed it
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L41[02:07:35] <tivec> ugh, and a mod is spamming the log with "mtShader is null", and there's no way for me to track which one's doing that
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L95[07:18:28] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/ca3d854574c3acdacab0a781c0b619b0/tumblr_ozbedrl0Fo1rt8hg9o1_400.gif
L96[07:21:14] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: what are you building there anyway?
L97[07:21:33] <Fluburtur> what am I building what
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L99[07:25:06] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: the plane
L100[07:25:22] <Fluburtur> some sort of bush plane
L101[07:25:30] <Fluburtur> like a mix between a stortch and a cub
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L108[08:43:18] <ve2dmn> China's Tiangong-1 space station is about to return to Earth
L109[08:43:26] <ve2dmn> Do we take bets as to where?
L110[08:45:01] <Fluburtur> my garden
L111[08:45:14] <Fluburtur> since peoples are afraid it will destroy all of france apparently
L112[08:45:32] <ve2dmn> it's not even on the probable map...
L113[08:45:44] <ve2dmn> http://spaceweather.com/images2018/26mar18/reentrymap.jpg?PHPSESSID=0b9vsjaj936drnfja5bpqf2s85
L114[08:45:51] <Fluburtur> it was a week ago
L115[08:45:53] <Fluburtur> too bad
L116[08:46:29] <ve2dmn> 43 degree north - 43 degree south
L117[08:47:29] <ve2dmn> My money is on 'an ocean'
L118[08:48:57] <ve2dmn> http://blogs.esa.int/rocketscience/2018/03/26/tiangong-1-frequently-asked-questions-2/
L119[08:49:00] <Fluburtur> I want a spacecraft
L120[08:49:49] <ve2dmn> nanosat are pretty cheap these days
L121[08:49:54] <Fluburtur> yeah
L122[08:49:59] <Fluburtur> I could build a cubesat
L123[08:50:50] <ve2dmn> I like the fact that the 'read this page in german' is in English, while the 'read this page in Espanol' is in Spanish
L124[08:51:56] <Fluburtur> I find it sad that most peoples know so little about space
L125[08:52:20] <Fluburtur> I would be happy if any part of that spacecraft ended up in my garden while most peoples think it will be the end of the world
L126[08:55:53] <ve2dmn> it's 10m across... I don't expect any big pieces to make it far down
L127[08:56:51] <Fluburtur> what are the strongest parts in spacecrafts of that type?
L128[08:57:05] <Fluburtur> I would guess airlock and engines could survive fairly well
L129[08:57:10] <ve2dmn> define strong
L130[08:57:23] <ve2dmn> to pressure or heat?
L131[08:57:38] <Fluburtur> engines are supposed to resit heat fairly well
L132[08:57:48] <Fluburtur> airlock idk, I just feel like it
L133[09:01:07] <ve2dmn> Everything I know about materials tell me that the quality of the material (how many micro-fractures it has) and the design of the piece is the prime factor
L134[09:01:49] <Fluburtur> well the most dense parts have a better chance of surviving
L135[09:01:58] <ve2dmn> exactly
L136[09:02:39] <ve2dmn> Also, the least amount of hole, and the proximity of this 'discontinuities' will influence the effect of the heat
L137[09:03:25] <ve2dmn> and the exposure (or lack of) to heat
L138[09:05:40] <Fluburtur> yeah
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L141[09:16:35] <Draconiator> I live JUST north of 47* latitude.
L142[09:17:46] <Draconiator> actually around 47*14'
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L144[09:20:19] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/640107cdb57e1b0d6d8c54c7a77b77a0.png - This guy's driveway is RIGHT ON THE LINE according to Google Earth.
L145[09:20:55] <ve2dmn> Draconiator: you live north of 90% of the Canadian population
L146[09:22:26] <Fluburtur> do you know how those end feathers work? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Milvus_migrans_2005-new.jpg
L147[09:22:34] <Fluburtur> I want to make a rc plane with similar stuff now
L148[09:27:45] <Draconiator> end feathers?
L149[09:27:57] <Fluburtur> yeah at the wingtips
L150[09:28:24] <Draconiator> They sorta work like ailerons.
L151[09:28:41] <Fluburtur> apparently they reduce vortices and act like high lift devices
L152[09:29:02] <Fluburtur> would make sense since they are found in glide birds
L153[09:29:12] <Fluburtur> they don't fly extremely fast and need high efficiency
L154[09:31:58] <ve2dmn> I think I found the worse Wikipedia page ever...
L155[09:33:04] <ve2dmn> Not only is has not explanation, it has a single giant example.... and a crappy one at that involving a controvial subject
L156[09:37:11] <Fluburtur> what is it about?
L157[09:37:18] <ve2dmn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search/Retrieve_via_URL
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L159[09:40:57] <ve2dmn> instead of listing a sensible example (like the french version) using the LOC of the British archives, it uses an example from some 'domainfactory GmbH'
L160[09:44:49] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382948062877843457/428202379603607562/1.jpg
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L165[09:57:07] <Draconiator> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Unusual_articles
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L169[10:00:41] <ve2dmn> it's not unusual, just crappy
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L173[10:09:05] <ve2dmn> btw, the nickname for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Unusual_articles is 'That wikipedia list' acording to Wendover Productions
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L178[10:20:37] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/80beef9db1ce9bff57a213813f109425/tumblr_p68wz5Xc361vf9hnho1_540.jpg
L179[10:20:55] <Althego> the russians are coming
L180[10:28:03] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382948062877843457/428213593155043330/2.jpg
L181[10:29:59] <ve2dmn> I just told someone who lives his life in 'Des Moines, Iowa' what 'Des Moines' meant...
L182[10:30:10] <ve2dmn> lived*
L183[10:30:55] <ve2dmn> I also told him the french translation to 'Grand Tetons National Park'
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L186[10:33:48] <Fluburtur> heh
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L188[10:34:20] <Althego> what does it mean?
L189[10:34:25] <Fluburtur> tits
L190[10:34:29] <Althego> hehe
L191[10:35:04] <ve2dmn> yup
L192[10:35:24] <sandbox> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_lists
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L204[11:26:23] <kubi> hola
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L212[12:05:05] <fhmiv> hi
L213[12:05:05] <Mod9000> Hello, fhmiv
L214[12:06:26] <UmbralRaptor> \o
L215[12:06:42] <fhmiv> any favorite sites to track this chinese space station that's going to fall out of the sky soon?
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L217[12:23:43] <ve2dmn> fhmiv: aside from the ESA site?
L218[12:41:43] <Lyneira> How can I tweak the drag of a custom part so that it is more similar to that of another part in KSP?
L219[12:42:22] <Lyneira> Made a custom engine that was intended to be a fancier looking alternative to the Panther but it is far too draggy compared to the panther
L220[12:42:52] <Lyneira> Even though all physical stats in the .cfg are the same (I based it on the panther config file)
L221[12:45:32] <ve2dmn> Lyneira: maybe ask in #kspmodding ?
L222[12:47:14] <Lyneira> iirc the modding channel was a nasty place that I purposely left because I got tired of wading through trolling/memeposting and racism that were plagueing it
L223[12:48:41] <Lyneira> Or maybe that was kspmodders?
L224[12:49:16] <ve2dmn> it was modders
L225[12:50:33] <Lyneira> Asked
L226[13:03:53] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/9a0e8b8413e64e333e16a52412c6f355/tumblr_nn3v6aa7N01qdnibfo1_540.jpg
L227[13:05:34] <SnoopJeDi> thank you, Owen
L228[13:06:10] <ve2dmn> I rather not think HOW he warmed it
L229[13:07:30] <ve2dmn> Did you know that 'U' and 'V' used to be the same letter, so depending on the language 'W' is either 'Double-U' or 'Double-V' ?
L230[13:08:26] <SnoopJeDi> frickin rome
L231[13:08:52] <ve2dmn> And that Y was just the grec letter for 'i' ?
L232[13:10:20] * ve2dmn is full of useless facts
L233[13:11:32] <SnoopJeDi> philology is useful!
L234[13:12:07] * SnoopJeDi caresses Oxford dictionary of etymology
L235[13:13:19] <ve2dmn> Look up the etymology of 'cul-de-sac' and 'apron'
L236[13:13:58] <SnoopJeDi> I'd never wondered about the latter, neat.
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L238[13:15:28] <ve2dmn> also look up 'beef' vs 'cow'
L239[13:18:02] <SnoopJeDi> ve2dmn, I'm very bummed by the struggles the person who runs etymonline has had in the last couple of years :(
L240[13:18:13] <ve2dmn> ?
L241[13:20:00] <SnoopJeDi> They're sorta-kinda owned by another entity I think? It's actually a bit foggy, but I remember there was legal ownership
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L243[13:21:35] <SnoopJeDi> I could be misremembering, actually
L244[13:21:49] <SnoopJeDi> Either way, they curate content wonderfully, it's always a treat to see them in my Facebook feed
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L247[13:25:18] <ve2dmn> I gave up on Facebook a few months ago...
L248[13:25:40] <ve2dmn> the last few days has convinced me I did the right thing
L249[13:26:52] <SnoopJeDi> yea, I've considered floating away with this stuff going on. There are still some things it provides for me that make the tradeoff worth it, unfortunately.
L250[13:27:13] <SnoopJeDi> Apparently Congress is calling for Zuck to testify though so there's at least that?
L251[13:27:37] <SnoopJeDi> I guess that's all getting rather political, heh.
L252[13:27:48] <ve2dmn> sortof, sadly :/
L253[13:28:11] <SnoopJeDi> ve2dmn, I did end up watching that C64 talk in its entirety last night, hehe.
L254[13:28:30] <SnoopJeDi> I'm shocked at how straightforward he made the 6502 seem
L255[13:28:51] <ve2dmn> The SID chip?
L256[13:29:00] <SnoopJeDi> The whole system
L257[13:29:24] <SnoopJeDi> The SID didn't get the justice it quite deserves :(
L258[13:29:51] <ve2dmn> SID was super simple. The mastery was in how to use it
L259[13:30:10] <SnoopJeDi> yea I mean it's basically a digital interface to a noisemaker haha
L260[13:30:27] <SnoopJeDi> but the gameboy talk was very thorough about audio for example
L261[13:31:24] <SnoopJeDi> OTOH I guess the gameboy has some pretty sophsticated features
L262[13:32:09] <ve2dmn> Gameboy was, what, 1987? 1990? 1994? It's all a blur at this point...
L263[13:33:33] <Althego> there were many gameboys
L264[13:33:46] <Althego> the original was a really long time ago
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L266[13:34:03] <SnoopJeDi> DMG-01 was 1989
L267[13:35:30] <ve2dmn> I had the original
L268[13:35:38] <sandbox> me too
L269[13:35:48] <ve2dmn> I miss my Gameboy and C64
L270[13:35:52] <ve2dmn> (I sold both)
L271[13:36:19] <JCB> I still have a Gamegear
L272[13:36:22] <SnoopJeDi> hmm, I wonder if there's an ultimate TRS-80 talk
L273[13:36:23] <sandbox> it's sad that the screens don't last
L274[13:36:29] <Althego> c64 has a special place in my heart
L275[13:36:46] <JCB> 8-Bit guy did a review on a mini C64 recently
L276[13:36:54] <Althego> and he didnt know creatures
L277[13:37:00] <Althego> how could he not know it?
L278[13:37:08] <Althego> or was that a joke?
L279[13:37:15] <Althego> i didnt hear it as a joke
L280[13:37:16] <JCB> TRS-80.. including the pocket edition? (which I also have)
L281[13:38:33] <SnoopJeDi> the Model I is what I was thinking of mostly
L282[13:39:38] <ve2dmn> Althego: I never heard of that game either
L283[13:40:13] <Althego> ok, creatures was kind of ok, but creatures 2 is among my favorite games even today
L284[13:40:37] <Althego> the platformer part is not that interesting in creatures
L285[13:40:54] <ve2dmn> wait... are you talking about a C64 game or a windows one?
L286[13:41:00] <Althego> c64
L287[13:41:14] <Althego> the really good thing is the rescue levels, where you have to save others from cartoon like rube goldberg contraptions
L288[13:41:19] <Althego> with fitting music
L289[13:41:27] <ve2dmn> ok, because I know the 1999-ish Creature with 'Digital DNA'
L290[13:41:38] <JCB> I was going to say.. I remember seeing the box cover of PC creatures....
L291[13:42:35] <ve2dmn> Althego: link to a screenshot of the game?
L292[13:43:23] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDDkxfJCB9Y
L293[13:43:24] <kmath> YouTube - Creatures Longplay (C64) [50 FPS]
L294[13:43:29] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bIpXvt0wxo
L295[13:43:29] <kmath> YouTube - Creatures 2 Longplay (C64) [50 FPS]
L296[13:43:47] <ve2dmn> Althego: nope. Never seen it.
L297[13:44:04] <ve2dmn> I had LOTS of game for my C64 and I don't remember that one
L298[13:44:44] <Althego> https://youtu.be/SDDkxfJCB9Y?t=1995
L299[13:44:49] <Althego> i just love this music
L300[13:44:59] <Althego> you can feel the passing of time
L301[13:45:34] <ve2dmn> I played Pitstop 2 a lot
L302[13:45:38] <Althego> me too
L303[13:45:45] <ve2dmn> And Bubble Bobble
L304[13:45:47] <Althego> and of course the deaths are funny too. if you let the bear fall onto the sparks it gets electrocuted
L305[13:46:10] <Althego> if you let it run to the buzz saw, it gets cut in half
L306[13:46:27] <Althego> and in c2 they built most of the gameplay around these kind of rescue levels
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L308[13:47:00] <Althego> and 2 people made the whole game
L309[13:47:25] <Althego> creatures 2 is one of the best games on c64
L310[13:47:37] <Althego> perfect music, graphics, gameplay
L311[13:47:53] <ve2dmn> nah. Simcity c64 is better :D
L312[13:47:56] <SnoopJeDi> It got quite the mention during said talk
L313[13:48:20] <SnoopJeDi> Because of the unique graphical tricks it employed
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L315[13:55:03] <Fluburtur> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eauxlp1wN8Q
L316[13:55:04] <kmath> YouTube - The Rocket Science Of Alcohol
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L320[14:01:20] <Althego> this is why i see scott's videos 20 hours later
L321[14:01:34] <Althego> i go to bed, work, and then next afternoon i get back to youtube
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L325[14:22:00] <ve2dmn> I should take the worse flag known in existance and use it in KSP
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L329[14:29:08] <GurrenLagannCWP> Hiii
L330[14:29:08] <Mod9000> Hello, GurrenLagannCWP
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L337[14:58:52] <ve2dmn> I was playing Halcyon 6 yesterday... and what do you know, it's on the new Humble Bundle
L338[15:00:23] <ve2dmn> it's like an cartoon xcom... In spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace
L339[15:04:43] <SnoopJeDi> Heck of a bundle
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L341[15:09:09] <ve2dmn> Halcyon 6 is from a Studio in Toronto. Mini-Metro is from New Zealand... not sure about the rest
L342[15:09:34] <GurrenLagannCWP> N70: I'm getting a million telegrams every sec
L343[15:09:48] <GurrenLagannCWP> ve2dmn: are you at home
L344[15:09:52] <N70> what
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L346[15:10:00] <ve2dmn> work
L347[15:10:06] <N70> why did you ping me
L348[15:10:07] <GurrenLagannCWP> ve2dmn: ugh
L349[15:10:21] <GurrenLagannCWP> N70: nationstates stuff
L350[15:10:25] <N70> oh
L351[15:10:26] <ve2dmn> i don't get home until 18:00 EST (22:00 UTC)
L352[15:10:32] <N70> disable recruitment telegrams in settings
L353[15:10:49] <GurrenLagannCWP> ve2dmn: convert into BRT
L354[15:11:09] <ve2dmn> https://time.is/
L355[15:12:25] <ve2dmn> https://time.is/compare/1800_27_Mar_2018_in_Montreal/S%C3%A3o_Paulo
L356[15:12:51] <GurrenLagannCWP> only 2 hours left
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L358[15:13:10] <ve2dmn> *IF* there is no traffic
L359[15:13:25] <GurrenLagannCWP> lol
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L362[15:20:35] <GurrenLagannCWP> "Landing on Jool..." Are kerbals doing the impossible?
L363[15:22:13] <kuzetsa> wait what?
L364[15:22:26] <kuzetsa> since when does the KSP physics allow for landing on jool
L365[15:22:52] <kuzetsa> last time I tried - the datum "zero elevation" just lets you go into the negative, and then eventually explode
L366[15:23:10] <kuzetsa> infinite fuel / descending slowly, you just go deep and then you boom
L367[15:23:21] <GurrenLagannCWP> The loading screen said that, kuzetsa
L368[15:23:30] <kuzetsa> oooooh
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L370[15:23:53] <kuzetsa> either way - I got to say datum
L371[15:24:00] <kuzetsa> that's totally not an every day occurence :D
L372[15:24:17] <GurrenLagannCWP> I also got to see a Scott Manley reference
L373[15:24:27] <JCB> GurrenLagannCWP someone put a youtube video on 'human race tries landing on jupiter' sorta thing.. uh.. riiiiiiiight...
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L375[15:24:53] <kuzetsa> ok
L376[15:25:09] <GurrenLagannCWP> JCB: what in the world?
L377[15:25:10] * kuzetsa sips coffee / resumes trying to morning
L378[15:25:33] * JCB shrugs, "you'd more likely get crushed before you even get close to the supposed solid core"
L379[15:26:07] * UmbralRaptop wants to say that there was a version where Jool (accidentally?) had a surface.
L380[15:26:14] * GurrenLagannCWP gets confused at the reference to KSP 0.14
L381[15:26:24] <GurrenLagannCWP> 0.17*
L382[15:27:10] <GurrenLagannCWP> UmbralRaptop: that was good old 0.17
L383[15:27:32] <JCB> ya.. when it was first introduced... though what was atmosphere physics like back then? I heard some versions were pretty bad
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L385[15:27:51] <GurrenLagannCWP> yeah
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L387[15:28:24] <JCB> I first touched ksp back on 0.18 on friend's laptop. When I got it myself, an update snuck through, 0.21 or 0.22
L388[15:28:33] <kuzetsa> oooh
L389[15:28:35] <UmbralRaptop> 0.17 had souposphere.
L390[15:28:42] <GurrenLagannCWP> in 0.14 i guess, you could hit the atmosphere at 25 km/s
L391[15:28:43] <kuzetsa> yeah I think 0.22 was the first version I ever played
L392[15:29:10] <kuzetsa> which I then later found out my boyfriend had pirated (because I couldn't install the arm update) so I bought myself a copy because I actually liked the game
L393[15:29:23] <kuzetsa> arm update - funny, that
L394[15:29:33] <kuzetsa> I still haven't ever grappled an asteroid
L395[15:29:37] <UmbralRaptop> 0.11.1 through 0.90 had a lot of silliness with atmo. 0.7-0.11 even more so.
L396[15:29:39] <GurrenLagannCWP> my first version was 1.3.1, but i heard of it when it was still 0.6 to 0.7
L397[15:29:49] <JCB> I downloaded 0.7.3, yet to touch it... wanna do a look-back sorta video with it..
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L399[15:31:52] <JCB> I'm looking back a project I put on hold. Challenge is how to land at or close to specific co-ordinate in stock game on the mun...
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L401[15:33:21] <GurrenLagannCWP> i have to use hyperedit to get into orbit
L402[15:33:31] <GurrenLagannCWP> i'm a total noob
L403[15:34:38] <JCB> I've pinned a pair of flat landing sites.. but I'm not sure how I can land at those places again when I've nothing down there.
L404[15:35:27] <JCB> engineer redux mod has co-ords... was thinking something stock. Maybe a way with kerbnet
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L406[15:38:16] <GurrenLagannCWP> kerbnet is only 1.2+
L407[15:39:01] * UmbralRaptop should probably work on the wiki a bit now that they actually have Making History.
L408[15:39:29] <JCB> just realized I'm still playing 1.2.. have 1.3.1 waiting on the side...
L409[15:39:36] <JCB> not even gotten 1.4 yet..
L410[15:39:52] <GurrenLagannCWP> 1.4 is terrible, trust me
L411[15:39:58] <GurrenLagannCWP> its full of bugs
L412[15:40:07] <GurrenLagannCWP> and krakens
L413[15:40:13] <Fluburtur> yeah
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L417[15:42:14] <JCB> oh... :\
L418[15:42:30] <JCB> mod I was looking at, got an update the day after, for 1.4.
L419[15:43:04] <JCB> otherwise... only limited parts, no texture switching when used with 1.2-1.3
L420[15:43:30] <GurrenLagannCWP> also a lot of mods break with 1.4
L421[15:44:06] <GurrenLagannCWP> so no planet packs because Kopernicus is broken with 1.4
L422[15:45:12] <JCB> what did they change so much in 1.4 that made it bad? or if you know that is
L423[15:48:11] <GurrenLagannCWP> well... Take Two made a BIIIG mistake and now all mods are broken
L424[15:48:31] <ve2dmn> Engine
L425[15:48:38] <ve2dmn> unity got an update
L426[15:49:10] <JCB> ah
L427[15:49:26] <GurrenLagannCWP> https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/82qw3y/14_modlist_workingpartialnot_working_please/ mods are broken
L428[15:50:09] <GurrenLagannCWP> Outer Planets Mod - Will not work with 1.4, probably due to Kopernicus
L429[15:50:42] <GurrenLagannCWP> Kopernicus - Version locked, will fail. All mods that rely on Kopernicus will not work
L430[15:59:08] <Fluburtur> kerbinside still works
L431[16:01:39] <ConductorCat> https://github.com/alex-the-man/ground-track
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L434[16:04:19] <GurrenLagannCWP> i'm a ksp noob
L435[16:04:28] <Fluburtur> play more ksp then
L436[16:04:43] <GurrenLagannCWP> lost control of a simple ksp rocket i built
L437[16:05:14] <GurrenLagannCWP> wtf]
L438[16:05:17] <ve2dmn> more boosters
L439[16:05:21] <Fluburtur> take this https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5o6Ua0BeJXYbS1kVUJaYTd4UWM/view?usp=sharing
L440[16:05:41] <Fluburtur> it's not the latest version but it should work
L441[16:06:05] <Fluburtur> and read the manual https://docs.google.com/document/d/1evlV8b5IQX8zfoL6flQkF_3B2TG7UUSwUkYbnHTPeF4/edit?usp=sharing
L442[16:08:40] <GurrenLagannCWP> oh great a crash
L443[16:09:07] <Fluburtur> do you want a plane?
L444[16:09:49] <GurrenLagannCWP> idk how to pilot a rocket, let alone a plane
L445[16:10:25] <Fluburtur> take this one then https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DEq8M9ShSuXoQv17-haMTQ6Qd7G380ab/view?usp=sharing
L446[16:11:14] <GurrenLagannCWP> wait
L447[16:11:21] <GurrenLagannCWP> i just realised
L448[16:11:29] <GurrenLagannCWP> the rocket needs mods
L449[16:11:39] <GurrenLagannCWP> argh
L450[16:12:13] <Fluburtur> what rocket
L451[16:12:43] <GurrenLagannCWP> the Koyus Heavy Model ]T
L452[16:12:48] <Fluburtur> actually I should finish the new version
L453[16:12:51] <Fluburtur> it is full stock
L454[16:12:57] <GurrenLagannCWP> woohoo]
L455[16:13:08] <Fluburtur> the new version is better
L456[16:13:15] <GurrenLagannCWP> omg my fingers love the ] key
L457[16:13:18] <Fluburtur> no struts and reworked the 2nd stage
L458[16:13:21] <Fluburtur> lel
L459[16:13:58] <GurrenLagannCWP> woohoo waay easier
L460[16:15:40] <GurrenLagannCWP> i got the scott manley reference again
L461[16:15:59] <UmbralRaptop> MH allows for a very stock Союз!
L462[16:16:10] <UmbralRaptop> Well, stock ish.
L463[16:16:30] <GurrenLagannCWP> wtf i dont understand Russian
L464[16:16:49] <Fluburtur> pretty sure that says "soyuz"
L465[16:17:08] <GurrenLagannCWP> thx
L466[16:17:24] <Fluburtur> I think it's written on the side of the soyuz actually
L467[16:17:46] <JCB> ugh ok.. well testing did at least show me a few things on how kerbnet worked... one thing, waypoints aren't set where you put your target exactly
L468[16:17:54] <GurrenLagannCWP> lol
L469[16:18:06] <GurrenLagannCWP> broken kerbnet
L470[16:18:33] <JCB> I set my target to the co-ords, but putting waypoint down is based on where the sensor was centered instead at the time
L471[16:18:50] <GurrenLagannCWP> wtf
L472[16:19:00] <JCB> ..or at least from what I could tell..
L473[16:19:51] <JCB> it was off a little, could be because I couldn't be too precise with it. When you get close, its hard to tell, since it only shows you direction it is in on the navball
L474[16:20:21] <JCB> whenever I set the 'target' as waypoint, target would move to center of kerbnet viewer
L475[16:21:34] <GurrenLagannCWP> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhLlrS4-1wU we got a rival
L476[16:22:58] <GurrenLagannCWP> oh cool i got a plane in the launch pad
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L479[16:28:20] <GurrenLagannCWP> i'm thinking to get BDArmory and NKD
L480[16:31:03] <agwamoose> anyone had any problems with 1.4 yet,? i downloaded the patch and now the game goes back to the same old problem mono.dll caused a violation,, can anyone help?
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L482[16:31:22] <GurrenLagannCWP> i dont even use 1.4
L483[16:31:43] <GurrenLagannCWP> its full of bugs and krakens agwamoose
L484[16:31:49] <agwamoose> tbh i only downloaded the patch cos i wanted my kerbals to have parachutes
L485[16:32:56] <agwamoose> but in all honesty its reverted to an earlier save and ive lost loads of work now and the latest patch wont even load properly
L486[16:34:12] <ve2dmn> agwamoose: do you have any mods?
L487[16:34:40] <ve2dmn> And since the engine changed don't expect your old savegames to work without any issues....
L488[16:34:58] <ve2dmn> They *should* work... but they might not
L489[16:35:23] <GurrenLagannCWP> agwamoose: 1.4 is FULL of bugs and krakens
L490[16:35:57] <agwamoose> thats the thing,, ive already tried the elimination process of removing mods to see which one conflicts,, but i ended up removing everything from the game data folder and now it wont load at all
L491[16:36:10] <GurrenLagannCWP> ve2dmn: would you let me have DarkMultipayer and BDArmory
L492[16:36:26] <GurrenLagannCWP> agwamoose: revert back to 1.4.1
L493[16:36:46] <GurrenLagannCWP> if that doesnt work, revert to 1.3.1
L494[16:37:06] <ve2dmn> agwamoose: do you have the error message?
L495[16:37:47] <agwamoose> ill try it,, ive got several versions of kerbal the safest so far has been 1.3.1 except for the outer planets which i really want, the files are there but its not reading them in the right place
L496[16:38:20] <ve2dmn> if you have outer planets, it's probably the issue
L497[16:38:56] <GurrenLagannCWP> agwamoose: maybe you have not enough ram with outer planets, or you are using 32-bit
L498[16:39:02] <agwamoose> and yh i got the error message mono.dll caused a violation but i cant figure out what its causing an issue with
L499[16:39:20] <agwamoose> running win10 64bit
L500[16:39:30] <ve2dmn> do you have the log file?
L501[16:39:53] <agwamoose> i got the log file yh
L502[16:40:04] <agwamoose> you want me to pm it?
L503[16:40:08] <ve2dmn> get a pastebin
L504[16:40:33] <agwamoose> a pastebin?
L505[16:40:48] <ve2dmn> https://pastebin.com/
L506[16:41:12] <ve2dmn> (or https://hastebin.com/ or whatever)
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L508[16:41:43] <ve2dmn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastebin
L509[16:42:21] <agwamoose> got it,, what now?
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L511[16:43:51] <JCB> hmm.. guess I'll be using probes as landing targets from now on... kerbnet nav system is useable but only so much
L512[16:44:37] <ve2dmn> send me the link?
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L517[16:53:07] <Fluburtur> bacon mah dude
L518[16:53:15] <Bacon1153> Hey flub
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L520[16:53:56] <GurrenLagannCWP> hey Bacon1153 are you a old user
L521[16:54:05] <GurrenLagannCWP> wtf i was typing
L522[16:54:14] <GurrenLagannCWP> and he left
L523[16:54:28] <Fluburtur> uh he wasn't supposed to
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L526[16:56:23] <GurrenLagannCWP> hey Bacon1153
L527[16:56:27] <Bacon1153> Aight I'm back
L528[16:56:32] <Bacon1153> Hey
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L530[16:58:00] <ve2dmn> lol
L531[16:58:30] <ve2dmn> ok, I'm actually 1h late at work...
L532[16:59:33] <JCB> ...
L533[16:59:35] <Fluburtur> so my dude bacon was planning to send a nanosat to space but he doesn't know how to IRC
L534[16:59:51] <JCB> ever wanted to work on something, but felt unless you know you had a whole day free, it wouldn't be worth even starting?
L535[17:00:01] <GurrenLagannCWP> ve2dmn: wtf soo late
L536[17:00:21] <JCB> Fluburtur would love to work on a nanosat project
L537[17:00:24] <ve2dmn> I'm a sysadmin. Sometimes servers misbehave
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L540[17:00:55] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
L541[17:00:56] <JCB> heck, I even looking into building a directional antenna to listen in on some of the sats that fly over
L542[17:01:09] <GurrenLagannCWP> hey Supernovy
L543[17:01:11] <Fluburtur> a nice long helical with a tracker
L544[17:01:13] <Fluburtur> or a dish
L545[17:01:32] <JCB> nah.. don't need something quite that elaborate
L546[17:01:41] <JCB> would be nice if had space for it though..
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L548[17:02:04] <JCB> got a 6' dish and metal base stand in storage actually
L549[17:02:17] <Fluburtur> nice
L550[17:02:22] <Fluburtur> but making a tracker might be hard
L551[17:02:24] <JCB> trouble is.. no place to put it
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L553[17:02:42] <JCB> I had considered pulling it out for field day, put it together for others to mess around with.
L554[17:02:46] <Fluburtur> unless you know where the sat is and have a computer aim the antenna
L555[17:03:35] <JCB> you can actually work amsats with 4 element 2m beam and 70cm direction by hand. Its a little tricky but can be done.
L556[17:04:03] <GurrenLagannCWP> BDArmory + NKD + KSP 1.3.1
L557[17:04:11] <GurrenLagannCWP> Will it work
L558[17:04:20] <JCB> lol.. mind you, someone's listened into an amsat, using a TV rabbit ear and posted about it on youtube
L559[17:04:51] <JCB> ya.. it works, people putting up youtube vids of working sats with handhelds
L560[17:05:17] <JCB> een a few vids on how to pull down weather sat images
L561[17:05:49] <GurrenLagannCWP> JCB: yt got weird
L562[17:06:08] <JCB> .. how so?
L563[17:09:55] <GurrenLagannCWP> JCB: soo many weird videos
L564[17:10:41] <JCB> eh.. I pass over them. I don't need weird in my life
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L566[17:13:57] <GurrenLagannCWP> JCB: neither me
L567[17:14:25] <JCB> then again.. also need less depression :\
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L572[17:24:24] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382948062877843457/428318059653103616/DSC_8609.JPG
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L576[17:40:46] <GurrenLagannCWP> Fluburtur: oh cool a gaming pc
L577[17:40:58] <Fluburtur> what
L578[17:41:16] <KrazyKrl> GAMING PC.
L579[17:42:32] <GurrenLagannCWP> a thing i will never have
L580[17:42:56] <KrazyKrl> Obviously that's RGB CNC, where you want to prepare an arc about the Y axis...
L581[17:47:17] <GurrenLagannCWP> booting up KSP 1.3.1 with BDArmory + NKD
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L585[17:49:43] <GurrenLagannCWP> noooooooo
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L587[17:55:26] <GurrenLagannCWP> nooooo
L588[17:55:48] * GurrenLagannCWP collapses
L589[17:56:06] * GurrenLagannCWP breaks through the shell
L590[17:56:19] * GurrenLagannCWP goes Ultra Instinct
L591[17:56:51] <GurrenLagannCWP> omfg ksp wont load
L592[18:09:08] <GurrenLagannCWP> bye
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L595[18:21:16] <Fluburtur> uh one week to prepare for a concert might be a bit short
L596[18:21:42] <Fluburtur> I could usually do that but I never playd with the guys I will be playing with so this might be difficult
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L605[19:29:21] <OTTT> Hello!
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L611[20:04:55] <maltesh> Ratios: How do they work?. "The listing outlines a 5.7-inch 1080p display with a 2:1 aspect ratio, contrary to the 18:9 ratio outlined in the Amazon leak on Monday." http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/moto-g6-may-have-been-laid-bear-early-3434262
L612[20:15:35] <taniwha> since when is 2:1 != 18:9?
L613[20:18:47] <maltesh> Writer is probably lucky that the page does not have a comments section.
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L616[20:45:39] <SnoopJeDi> taniwha, the other one's bigger ;P
L617[20:46:26] <SnoopJeDi> was that error in the article or the leaked something-or-other?
L618[20:49:07] <taniwha> SnoopJeDi: if it wasn't for the ";P", I'd worry about your math skills :)
L619[20:49:07] <maltesh> The leaked document on PocketNow says 2:1. The original removed amazon page says 18:9. The author of the article fails to realize that the ratios are the same.
L620[20:51:51] <Kalpa> thatsthejoke.jpg
L621[20:52:53] <SnoopJeDi> "4G? That's a whole extra G!"
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L623[20:53:48] <SnoopJeDi> maltesh, non-reduced ratios are an aberration imo
L624[20:55:14] <SnoopJeDi> I could see a technical author "correcting" a "mistake" in a PR kit as a little act of mathematical graffiti
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L626[20:58:15] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and daughters of Kerbin: The following programming is brought to you by Ansible Communicators Corporation, "FTL communication at affordable, causality breaking prices!".
L627[20:59:00] <Scolar_Visari> Speaking of causality breaking prices . . . http://spacenews.com/nasa-delays-jwst-launch-to-2020/
L628[20:59:13] <taniwha> *sigh* FTL communication does not break causality, it provides a faster channel for causality
L629[20:59:33] <SnoopJeDi> LOL
L630[21:00:21] <Scolar_Visari> taniwha: More causality *than* causality is our motto!
L631[21:00:49] <taniwha> corporate mottos...
L632[21:02:11] <Scolar_Visari> Ah, if only more franchises followed in Battletech or Aliens' footprints with rules for that sort of stuff.
L633[21:02:36] * Scolar_Visari ponders how many people in Star Wars and Star Trek call collect.
L634[21:08:25] * UmbralRaptor wonders what sorts of rockets are supposed to launch from Woomerang, given that the tracking is done from Nye Island, 475 km away.
L635[21:09:00] <UmbralRaptor> (Nye Island is, I think, southwest of Woomerang)
L636[21:09:16] <Scolar_Visari> Sounding rockets?
L637[21:09:46] <UmbralRaptor> Maybe o_O
L638[21:10:08] * Scolar_Visari coughs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAAF_Woomera_Range_Complex
L639[21:11:21] <UmbralRaptor> Yeah
L640[21:11:57] <UmbralRaptor> I was more considering that Kerbals might be able to launch Orion type craft there.
L641[21:12:34] <Scolar_Visari> No. But it does seem like an excellent ICBM launch pad?
L642[21:13:06] * Scolar_Visari would suppose that Kerbals would have no objections about using nuclear pulse detonation rockets on their own planet, having apparently destroyed all surface settlements already.
L643[21:16:39] <UmbralRaptor> This could explain that giant crater.
L644[21:17:23] <Scolar_Visari> I'm sure that was simply an attempt of Kerbal Project Plowshare to make an artificial lake.
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L646[21:20:05] <Scolar_Visari> Unfortunately, Stanislaw Kerman underestimated the yield of the device used by several orders of a magnitude and ended up destroying the observational instruments, the bunker with the scientists operating the instruments and several adjacent cities.
L647[21:21:10] <Scolar_Visari> Legend has it that the yield print out of 1,000 Megatons was read upside down as 000,1 Megatons.
L648[21:21:46] <Scolar_Visari> In retrospect, they probably should've gotten better engineers.
L649[21:22:42] <SnoopJeDi> 1000 Megatons O.O
L650[21:22:46] <SnoopJeDi> dat blast
L651[21:24:21] <Scolar_Visari> SnoopJeDi: No one questioned why they needed so much fissile material. I mean, better too much than not enough amirite?
L652[21:24:48] <Scolar_Visari> This also explains why the Kerbal nuclear energy program leaves a lot to be desired.
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L655[21:33:59] * Scolar_Visari is guessing Terran athletes consistently beat their Lunar equivalents every Olympic games https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/bvqwjavnztkexztkssqj.jpg
L656[21:34:27] <maltesh> A little less supercritical, a little more shielding.
L657[21:35:53] <Scolar_Visari> maltesh: Since when has shielding been relevant to Kerbals? For all we know, they consume ionizing radiation like it was candy!
L658[21:38:35] * Scolar_Visari ponders making an interstellar vehicle in KSP with nothing but radially attached seats.
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L660[21:38:51] <Scolar_Visari> Heck, that'd make for one sweet launch vehicle!
L661[21:38:54] <UmbralRaptor> Eh, the LV-N is a remarkable engine, if not optimized for Isp or TWR.
L662[21:39:27] <maltesh> Makes a great stocking stuffer.
L663[21:39:40] <UmbralRaptor> (800 s on kerosene! Arbitrary throttling and stopping/starting!)
L664[21:40:01] <maltesh> Assuming your stockings are several meters long and reinforced with kevlar.
L665[21:40:01] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: Yeah, but how many other nuclear using devices exist in Vanilla KSP?
L666[21:40:43] <Scolar_Visari> That's probably what the entire Program is about: Finding new sources of precious fissiles!
L667[21:40:51] <maltesh> Hmm. Tiangong-1's coming down over the weekend. It seems unlikely that I'll get another chance to see it.
L668[21:40:56] <UmbralRaptor> Okay, just the RTG. Point taken.
L669[21:42:11] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: The RTG's aren't even radioisotopes using. They're just using Rotting snacks.
L670[21:42:41] <Scolar_Visari> Because some one who shall remain nameless (but probably Bill) keeps forgetting to eat the older snacks before purchasing new packages in bulk.
L671[21:44:32] <UmbralRaptor> Hah
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L673[21:45:49] <RhineBTV> Hey, kinda got a sort of emergency question/situation here
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L675[21:46:15] <Scolar_Visari> I'll say. We have a dying star in the channel!
L676[21:46:32] * Scolar_Visari futily hides behind a lead umbrella to stave off the lethal neutrino radiation. Maybe.
L677[21:46:50] <RhineBTV> :o
L678[21:47:07] <Supernovy> I hope its a light year thick.
L679[21:47:34] <Scolar_Visari> Supernovy: I should've gone for an extra hundred light-years. You can never be too sure with these weakling interacting barely massive particles.
L680[21:47:37] <maltesh> What kind of nightmare scenario are you standing next to where the neutrino flux is strong enough to be lethal?
L681[21:48:01] <Scolar_Visari> maltesh: I'm guessing right next to an imploding star's core, which is well inside it. Also: A terrible movie.
L682[21:48:19] <Supernovy> In the same solar system. But, a light year out because the umbrella has to fit.
L683[21:48:21] <RhineBTV> But to give the short version of the story, what happened was my PC crashed when ksp was loading something, I can't remember exactly what, and when I rebooted and reloaded KSP, my main Career save said "Just Started" where it would normally display rep/funds/science/in-game clock, etc.
L684[21:48:22] <Scolar_Visari> But not 2012. I liked that movie.
L685[21:48:57] <UmbralRaptor> maltesh: in the target zone of https://arxiv.org/abs/1704.04469 maybe?
L686[21:49:07] <Scolar_Visari> Supernovy: I can compress the space-time the umbrella's occupying to obtain greater effective density without compressing the space between the atoms into a neutron star of their own.
L687[21:49:44] <RhineBTV> and it straight up wouldn't load the save, so I went through and looked, and ended up discovering that the persistent.sms and the loadmeta didn't match up for their times, so I replaced the persistent files with my most recent hard save and it fixed the problem of the file "info" (funds,rep,science,time), but it still failed to load the game
L688[21:49:46] <UmbralRaptor> RhineBTV: alt+f4 ksp, and poke at the save files?
L689[21:49:58] <RhineBTV> like I could click on it and click load, but it wouldn't go anywhere
L690[21:50:04] <UmbralRaptor> ah, you dod
L691[21:50:11] <RhineBTV> so I'm wondering if there's somewhere else that that information might be needed to be changed
L692[21:50:11] <UmbralRaptor> *did
L693[21:50:22] <maltesh> If you can do that, why not just compress the space time you're occupying and turn sideways to the source.
L694[21:50:29] <RhineBTV> I'm rebooting the game again and seeing it it does anything
L695[21:50:30] <maltesh> The Flat Stanley Maneuver.
L696[21:50:57] <maltesh> Presumably less expensive than purchasing several hundred light years of umbrella.
L697[21:51:15] <Scolar_Visari> maltesh: I use an umbrella for the same reason some people like using gigantic phones from the 80s.
L698[21:51:25] * UmbralRaptor wonders of the savename.loadmeta files are breaking things.
L699[21:51:40] <Scolar_Visari> Or eat gold.
L700[21:51:40] <RhineBTV> yeah, I've been playing since like .13 so I understand enough about how the cfgs and save files work, but I think there's one more thing that needs to be changed
L701[21:53:18] <Scolar_Visari> Oh my https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/26/flat-earth-advocate-launches-homemade-rocket/
L702[21:55:09] <RhineBTV> but pre-emptively, does anyone know if there's more places where save info is stored or is relevant outside of the plain old sms and loadmeta files in the save folders?
L703[21:57:23] * Scolar_Visari has completely forgotten how to edit KSP files, having replaced that knowledge with that needed to modify Stellaris save files so as to rename in-game facitons.
L704[21:58:48] <Scolar_Visari> No regerts.
L705[22:00:46] <maltesh> Hmm. Did you replace by renaming the file, or did you replace by copying and pasting with a text editor?
L706[22:02:19] <RhineBTV> wew, it worked
L707[22:02:26] <RhineBTV> No, I just renamed the file
L708[22:03:14] <RhineBTV> I copied my most recent hard save, moved to a new folder, renamed it to persistent (both the sms and loadmeta files), deleted the inconsistent ones from the main save folder, then put the "new" ones back in there
L709[22:03:31] <RhineBTV> it didn't load the first time I tried it, but I figured it might've had to like register them or something?
L710[22:03:39] <RhineBTV> so I rebooted it and retried the load and it worked
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L712[22:04:19] <maltesh> Fair enough.
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L714[22:08:26] <RhineBTV> yeah, first time that's ever happened to me so I wasn't sure how to go about it, really
L715[22:08:28] <RhineBTV> but it was easy enough
L716[22:08:50] <UmbralRaptor> Yay
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L719[22:17:09] <RhineBTV> yeah, it's the one thing I low-key appreciate most about ksp, how easy it is to poke around in the files and try to come up with a reasonable solution for things like that
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L721[22:24:26] <RhineBTV> And all that just because I wanted to install some parts to make an open-cockpit for a biplane I'll probably never fly more than once for its novelty factor
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L723[22:25:05] <UmbralRaptor> ow
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L725[22:25:26] <Supernovy> biplanes and triplanes seem like a very Kerbal thing to do. Plane not flying? Add more wings!
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L729[22:32:48] <VanDisaster> https://flic.kr/p/ZBJHqb someone mentioned biplanes?
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L731[22:33:27] <RhineBTV> And then my router cuts out on me. Oi, everything going peachy tonight
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L733[22:47:06] <tawny> bi planes, you say? http://media.virbcdn.com/cdn_images/resize_1600x1600/30/fcff164c300def8d-Virgin_Val_0001_Pride-Plane.jpg
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L742[23:19:24] <RhineBTV> oh, biplane, haha
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