OCLogs: 2018-02-26.log

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L9[01:14:43] <GlassYuri> so I'm working with arcs that have a length, angle and radius, but I'm only storing the length and radius

L10[01:15:24] <GlassYuri> but since the angle could have a sign I thought I'd just internally put that sign on the radius

L11[01:15:41] <GlassYuri> don't do black magic, kids

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L15[01:56:21] <Triffid_Hunter_> GlassYuri: would be better on the length, no?

L16[01:56:45] <GlassYuri> potentially

L17[01:58:10] <taniwha> isn't the length redundant?

L18[01:58:26] <taniwha> (length = angle*radius (if angle is in radians)

L19[02:01:03] <Triffid_Hunter_> taniwha: well length and angle both dictate the same thing, can ditch either one

L20[02:01:23] <taniwha> yeah, but at least negative angle makes sense

L21[02:01:29] <taniwha> negative length only sort of does

L22[02:02:44] <Triffid_Hunter_> taniwha: think of it as a 1d vector in circular space rather than a magnitude and negative suddenly makes perfect sense :P

L23[02:02:55] <taniwha> thus "sort of"

L24[02:03:13] <taniwha> but trust me, negative lengths (or radii) will mess with your head

L25[02:04:51] <GlassYuri> taniwha, if I ditch length I cannot represent straight lines

L26[02:06:22] <taniwha> can't with radius, either (since r = inf)

L27[02:07:49] <GlassYuri> I actually went with r = 0 for straight lines, but I might actually change it to inf

L28[02:08:18] <taniwha> instead of r, might be better with c (curvature = 1/r)

L29[02:08:30] <taniwha> 0 = straight, inf = point

L30[02:09:11] <GlassYuri> mathematically yes, floatingpointically, just adds a slight amount of precision loss

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L320[05:46:58] <Pakaran> hi

L321[05:46:59] <Mod9000> Hello, Pakaran

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L339[08:41:27] <ve2dmn> Good morning

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L341[09:20:52] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/254984631512858634/417545959569096705/Screenshot_20180225-225753.jpg

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L346[09:34:44] <taniwha> Pakaran: o/

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L348[09:46:25] <APlayer> Hi there!

L349[09:46:37] <ve2dmn> low here!

L350[09:46:54] <APlayer> Are you talking about the temperature?

L351[09:47:04] <ve2dmn> sadly, no

L352[09:47:29] <APlayer> Because we have -10 to -15 °C

L353[09:47:42] <APlayer> Which is pretty extreme weather for this place of the world

L354[09:47:57] <APlayer> in* the world

L355[09:48:30] <ve2dmn> APlayer: that is the low nightly average here for feb

L356[09:48:48] <ve2dmn> (exact value being -11,4°C )

L357[09:48:56] <Althego> something like that here too

L358[09:49:15] <ve2dmn> but it's gonna be above freezing for most of the week...

L359[09:49:20] <Althego> this would be normal for the winter, but no more than few days like this each winter in the last decade

L360[09:49:37] <ve2dmn> ...which, while it is welcomed, is a tiny bit unusual

L361[09:49:39] <APlayer> I think we have about 18 deg inside, currently

L362[09:49:47] <ve2dmn> might affect the production of Maple thingys

L363[09:50:00] <Althego> good, i dont consume them

L364[09:50:19] <ve2dmn> I do. and I'm sad

L365[09:50:37] <Althego> same for alcohol, tobacoo and firearms :)

L366[09:50:58] <Althego> i wouldnt notice anything if they were not produced

L367[09:51:01] <APlayer> But I can currently see the moon right from my desk out of the window, so that's some comfort for my frozen feelings :P

L368[09:51:23] <Althego> let it go

L369[09:51:33] <taniwha> http://taniwha.org/~bill/path877.png

L370[09:51:55] <ve2dmn> taniwha: made using...??

L371[09:51:56] <Althego> https://www.shadertoy.com/view/4sfGWX

L372[09:52:06] <APlayer> Not for long anymore, though. I already need to duck slightly to see it, and it'll probably disappear in half an hour or so

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L374[09:52:13] <taniwha> ve2dmn: inkscape

L375[09:52:22] <ve2dmn> nice

L376[09:52:32] <taniwha> path->trace bitmap, edge detection, threshold down at 0.1

L377[09:53:15] <ve2dmn> I knew what it was, but the technique escaped me

L378[09:54:35] <Mat2ch> ugh, I have the feeling someone just placed my feet in a cooler. Where is this cold air flow coming from?!

L379[09:55:12] <Althego> superman breathing heavy under your desk

L380[09:55:36] <Mat2ch> that's how it feels like

L381[09:55:51] <Mat2ch> I wonder when we'll see spring this year

L382[09:55:57] <ve2dmn> this is why you use insolation

L383[09:56:25] <taniwha> insulation

L384[09:56:38] <ve2dmn> It keeps the cold out in the winter, and the hot air out in the summer

L385[09:56:50] <ve2dmn> taniwha: sorry. It's 'Isolation' in french

L386[09:56:54] <taniwha> insolation is how much heat you get from the sun

L387[09:56:55] <Mat2ch> this house was built in 2010 and has insulation all around it

L388[09:57:08] <taniwha> ve2dmn: ah, fun

L389[09:57:18] <taniwha> Mat2ch: aircon?

L390[09:57:23] <Althego> hehe inSOLation

L391[09:57:31] <halcyon_b> insolence?

L392[09:57:32] <ve2dmn> taniwha: the joy of speaking several languages is that you always get everything wrong

L393[09:57:39] <taniwha> yeah

L394[09:57:57] <Mat2ch> still I get cold feet in it. I wonder what my neighbour below is doing. Airing out all day?

L395[09:58:10] <taniwha> ve2dmn: it gets even weirder when you know 5 variants of English

L396[09:58:22] <Althego> getting cold feet... isnt that an idiom of being scared?

L397[09:58:29] <taniwha> ("now, where did I get /that/ word from?!?")

L398[09:58:32] <Mat2ch> taniwha: I wish I had one. In summer it still get's up to 30° C in here...

L399[09:58:53] <Mat2ch> Althego: this time it's meant literally. :P

L400[09:59:08] <ve2dmn> taniwha: same. And false friends being my worse enemy

L401[09:59:21] <taniwha> Mat2ch: suggested because my aircon likes to blow cold air on me when it's supposed to be heating :/

L402[09:59:27] <taniwha> (then it blows hot air)

L403[09:59:50] <Mat2ch> I know that feeling from my car.

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L405[10:00:08] <ve2dmn> Heat pumps are popular here

L406[10:00:32] <Mat2ch> It's a cold, but rainy day, I turn up the heat and the AC starts running to dehumidify the air and it's getting pretty chilly instead of warm

L407[10:01:18] <Mat2ch> Well, I get my heat from a waste-fueled power plant

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L409[10:01:32] <Fluburtur> it's cold here too

L410[10:01:34] <Fluburtur> and windy

L411[10:01:40] <Fluburtur> can't fly my hel

L412[10:01:45] <Fluburtur> heli*

L413[10:01:53] <Mat2ch> That's just the social mood you're feeling ;P

L414[10:02:57] <ve2dmn> We get up to -25C in the winter and up to 30C in the summer...

L415[10:03:15] <ve2dmn> so Heat pump helps in both cases

L416[10:03:21] <ve2dmn> (well... mostly)

L417[10:03:50] <Mat2ch> But what happens if the temperature drops below -30° C?

L418[10:04:06] <APlayer> Frozen pump

L419[10:05:01] <Mat2ch> That sounds bad

L420[10:05:27] <Mat2ch> apropos heat pumps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWgkl7W9xU0

L421[10:05:27] <kmath> YouTube - Star Heat Pumps | Fully Charged

L422[10:05:38] <Mat2ch> Heat pumps, but a bit bigger...

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L424[10:11:57] <APlayer> Alright, bye moon. It was nice to look at you

L425[10:16:04] <Althego> the moon does not consent to more watching by you :)

L426[10:20:17] <ve2dmn> heat pump do not work well below -15C

L427[10:20:37] <ve2dmn> local, french word for those heat pump is 'Thermopump'

L428[10:21:11] <ve2dmn> (written as 'Thermopompe')

L429[10:22:09] <Althego> i just bribe the spirits of winter around the house with pizza and the house remains warm :)

L430[10:22:47] <ve2dmn> Pizza not powerful enough for -20C

L431[10:23:04] <Althego> (was dresden files reference)

L432[10:23:50] <Althego> dresden is quite friendly with all the supernatural entities around chicago, more or less bribing them with pizza

L433[10:24:24] <ve2dmn> His chicago pizza must be quite good

L434[10:25:23] <Pakaran> so I'm considering going to polar Mun orbit and back, without nodes, to farm science.

L435[10:25:49] <Althego> quite easy

L436[10:25:58] <Althego> that is actually one of my first missiosn in every career

L437[10:26:10] <ve2dmn> Why polar?

L438[10:26:11] <Pakaran> you may well have been the one that suggested it to me :)

L439[10:26:17] <Althego> polar to collect more biome data

L440[10:26:21] <Pakaran> because it will allow... yeah

L441[10:26:38] <Pakaran> it doesn't have to be exactly polar

L442[10:26:40] <Althego> note that you have to wait for the mun to rotate under you, means several days

L443[10:26:52] <Pakaran> but in my modded install, there's several large maria each their own biome

L444[10:26:52] <Althego> you just need to hit mun soi

L445[10:27:02] <ve2dmn> I think you miss 1 or 2 biome by not going polar... then again, I was limited by life-Support

L446[10:27:20] <Althego> that is doable by burning when the mun rises while on lko, and burn until your orbit crosses the orbit of the mun

L447[10:27:47] <Althego> once you are in mun soi, just burn sideways to get a polar flyby, and circularize there

L448[10:27:51] <Pakaran> that is a worry. I currently have veterans set as immune but not sure if I'm sticking with that. In any case, I'm using USI, so there's a 15 day grace period.

L449[10:28:11] <ve2dmn> Pakaran: you are probably fine with Vets

L450[10:28:42] <Pakaran> yeah, this won't be a super lengthy mission (by the standards of what I have planned).

L451[10:28:48] <ve2dmn> With USI-LS, I would set it to 'be gentle' the first few times you use it...

L452[10:29:09] <Pakaran> nod, I went with the recommendation for newbies in the docs.

L453[10:29:14] <ve2dmn> ...because the Kraken (or any other unforseen problems) could ruin you carefully planned mission

L454[10:29:32] <Pakaran> I've toyed with the idea of a life support testing facility in the desert of Kerbin somewhere.

L455[10:29:47] <ve2dmn> ... lol. That's a fantastic idea

L456[10:30:14] <Althego> does something like that exists on earth?

L457[10:30:21] <ve2dmn> severals

L458[10:30:30] <Althego> there were the faield biosphere things

L459[10:30:37] <Althego> but that is something more

L460[10:30:41] <Pakaran> and a few trials for Mars.

L461[10:30:49] <ve2dmn> there is an underwater training for astronauts.

L462[10:30:50] <Althego> for testing life support you just need to close people off in a chamber

L463[10:30:52] <Pakaran> but there it was more about the astronaut's psychological healthy

L464[10:30:54] <Pakaran> *health

L465[10:31:10] <Pakaran> yeah. and USI is good at calculating time estimates

L466[10:32:21] <Pakaran> anyhow, I had the idea of going for a standard transfer, and just do a course change burn halfway out (so I'm not trying to turn the ship's vector at 3 kps)

L467[10:32:52] <APlayer> Based on my estimates, one single pizza contains enough energy to heat 50 cubic metres of air from -20 deg C to 20 deg C.

L468[10:33:17] <Pakaran> I've done that *with* nodes to refine Minmus encounters to the point that I can almost just burn retrograde and land.

L469[10:33:22] <APlayer> Conclusion: Pizza does have enough power for -20 °C

L470[10:33:40] <Pakaran> Ah.

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L472[10:33:47] <ve2dmn> APlayer: that's great, but we don't live in adiabatic houses

L473[10:33:58] <Pakaran> For this mission, I'm pretty sure that I can just throw an LS container on the upper stage. I'm loading KSP to check that.

L474[10:35:42] <ve2dmn> (if we did, we would die)

L475[10:36:46] <Pakaran> next question, do I want to try and bring a scientist and rely on fly-by-wire? that sounds like a really dumb idea given that I'll be blocked by the Mun part of an orbit for much of the month.

L476[10:37:08] <Pakaran> ....including the starting part, since the initial polar orbit will have to go directly out over a pole...

L477[10:37:47] <ve2dmn> btw, that radio silence is also true during re-entry...

L478[10:38:30] <Pakaran> yeah. scientist and pilot, if anything.

L479[10:39:03] <Pakaran> also, bringing more LS and not over-engineering the electrical system would help with part count.

L480[10:45:44] <APlayer> ve2dmn: Based on arbitrarily chosen values from the internet, you'd need about 1 pizza every 10 minutes to keep an average single-family home at 20 deg C with an outside temperature of -20 deg C

L481[10:46:06] <ve2dmn> Sounds about right

L482[10:46:06] <APlayer> Sounds logistically manageable to me

L483[10:47:45] <ve2dmn> The real question then becomes: Do you open a pizza shop, or do you open a pizza shop?

L484[10:49:24] <ve2dmn> The answer is, of course, a Poutine place.

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L486[10:49:44] <APlayer> So, with an overhead of eight or so pizzas to get your house to 20 degrees initially and one additional pizza every ten minutes, you can keep your house warm for about 5000$ per week

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L488[10:50:23] <APlayer> Given a place that sells you pizzas at a bulk price of 5$/pizza

L489[10:50:32] <ve2dmn> APlayer: Nice, I'll get started right away

L490[10:51:11] <ve2dmn> I wonder what my electric bill is gonna look like...

L491[10:51:40] <APlayer> But I recommend raising the outside temperature, though. If you start with 0 deg C on the outside, you halve your costs

L492[10:52:21] <ve2dmn> So, what you are saying is that if I wait for summer I can bring my cost down to 0 ?

L493[10:52:38] <APlayer> And the neighbours would surely support you regarding the costs of raising the outside temperature

L494[10:52:53] <ve2dmn> Brilliant! Why didn't I think of that?!

L495[10:53:00] <APlayer> Actually you did

L496[10:53:54] <ve2dmn> You did all the math, so I get no credits

L497[10:54:42] <APlayer> The outside temperature is currently steadily rising at a rate of 0.05 °C or so per year

L498[10:55:01] <APlayer> The process should be optimized to save on heating energy

L499[10:55:32] <Pakaran> As it stands, it increases when people spend more on heating.

L500[10:55:39] <ve2dmn> Would it not be cheaper for me to move to Texas?

L501[10:56:09] <ve2dmn> Then simply move slightly north when it's too hot?

L502[10:56:32] <RandomJeb> a mobile home

L503[10:57:05] <RandomJeb> you migrate with the temperature

L504[10:57:16] <ve2dmn> You probably never heard of 'snowbirds' but is what retired people do in Canada

L505[10:57:40] <ve2dmn> They move down to florida for the winter, and move back after 2-3months

L506[10:59:18] <ve2dmn> Arizona is also a popular destination.

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L509[10:59:41] <ve2dmn> (because the dry weather helps with some pains)

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L511[11:00:04] <APlayer> Anyway, I'm off for dinner

L512[11:00:21] <ve2dmn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowbird_(person)

L513[11:00:27] <APlayer> Not pizza, but hopefully enough to heat up my puny body back to operational temperatures

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L515[11:02:53] <Althego> haha, local flat earthers: earth does not curve down, the horizontal laser curves up (to be fair that can happen)

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L517[11:05:05] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/BcNUiZxvwt0

L518[11:05:06] <kmath> YouTube - slowmo ice pickaxing

L519[11:06:05] <Althego> samsung s9 will have high speed camera, up to 960 fps... for 0.2 seconds in that case :)

L520[11:06:31] <Fluburtur> mine can do 400 or 1200fps for 5 seconds

L521[11:06:39] <Fluburtur> but crap quality

L522[11:07:03] <Althego> that 0.2 seconds means it is pretty much useless

L523[11:07:28] <Althego> it is borderline of human capabilities to react that fast

L524[11:07:37] <Fluburtur> yeah

L525[11:07:47] <Fluburtur> I wish mine had a end trigger

L526[11:15:13] <Althego> hmm 3 lauches in the next 4 days

L527[11:15:23] <Althego> falcon, soyuz, atlas

L528[11:15:39] <Fluburtur> nice

L529[11:16:45] <Althego> actuallt 3 days 4 hours, so almost one for each day

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L536[11:42:05] <Fluburtur> what is this

L537[11:42:12] <Fluburtur> can't even watch videos in 240p

L538[11:42:20] <Fluburtur> who is destroying internet again

L539[11:44:52] <Althego> i have a capsule around the mun in retrograde orbit (was easier to capture that way). now i have to take that to minmus. apparently i am exactly in the wrong time

L540[11:45:02] <Althego> cant get an encounter

L541[11:45:14] <Althego> seems i would need to cancel the oribtala velocity of the mun to do that

L542[11:45:30] <Althego> or wait a long time until minmus comes in position

L543[11:45:36] <Fluburtur> kerbin assist?

L544[11:45:52] <Althego> after minmus i still need o take them out of the soi

L545[11:46:08] <Althego> and i dont want to wait there 2 weeks either, so lot of wasting of fuel

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L547[11:46:40] <Althego> kerbin, that would give me at least 2 days of wait time

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L556[12:05:32] <Althego> apparently the kerbin maneuver helps

L557[12:05:46] <Althego> but that will take me 12 days

L558[12:06:02] <Althego> the whole career has been going on for only 26 days

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L562[12:27:09] <ve2dmn> https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/80cl29/insane_full_falcon_heavy_demo_flight_in_ro_rss/

L563[12:28:20] <Althego> poor kerbal is going to space, never to come back

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L567[12:39:26] <Althego> i just cant make this transfer in a sensible time

L568[12:39:36] <Althego> despite the alexmoon thing

L569[12:40:21] <Althego> even 6 days would be enough, although that is more than twice of my usual time to minmus

L570[12:42:40] <Althego> i think this is pointless, i go to kerbin orbit beyond the mun and do a plane change for minmus, there i can wait a fay days and still make it faster than this

L571[12:44:04] <ve2dmn> it depends on the definition of 'this' and 'pointless'

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L573[12:47:52] <Pakaran> Uhm, wut? https://imgur.com/a/LagzW

L574[12:47:52] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/tbJLXfl.png

L575[12:48:50] <ve2dmn> Pakaran: free reputation I guess

L576[12:49:46] <Althego> hehe

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L578[12:50:14] <Althego> the question is, what is a flyby defined in the game

L579[12:50:24] <Althego> i know it is triggered by entering the soi

L580[12:50:29] <Althego> but what if you are already tehre?

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L582[12:51:27] <Pakaran> I'm actually going to remove one mod and see what happens.

L583[12:51:28] <ve2dmn> Althego: plus the reward is only reputation...

L584[12:51:45] <Pakaran> That might be due to having monthly budget installed but inactive.

L585[12:52:01] <Pakaran> But I've seen other slight oddness with contract mods + modded solar system

L586[12:52:40] <ve2dmn> Pakaran: that is a tourism plus contract.... but I find the reward weird

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L588[12:53:00] <Pakaran> http://kerbal-star-systems.wikia.com/wiki/Kereksus is not a good flyby for the early game, but thanks World Firsts.

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L591[12:56:28] <Pakaran> given how much I've been annoyed by other contracts, if it is still there without Monthly Budgets, I'm tempted to set up something to get the tourist in question in a 90 km hop and call it a day. I can probably do it with just two stages of boosters.

L592[12:57:02] <ve2dmn> or 1 booster

L593[12:57:39] <ve2dmn> (the 3rd, second-to-last one)

L594[12:57:41] <Pakaran> the boosters I have are, like, 6 tonnes of fuel max is the issue there

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L596[12:58:07] <Pakaran> But yeah, probably.

L597[12:58:45] <ve2dmn> that was my suborbital setup. 1 Staypunik, 2 parachutes, 1 capsule, 1 booster

L598[12:59:25] <Pakaran> that's why I have a hard time making money on tourists -- I'm overengineering

L599[13:00:14] <ve2dmn> Check the price of the contract and design lower.

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L601[13:00:29] <Pakaran> 2 parachutes so you recover the booster too?

L602[13:00:32] <ve2dmn> then re-use it, over and over again, with kOS if you need too

L603[13:00:54] <ve2dmn> no, 2 side parachutes because the staypunik was on top

L604[13:01:13] <ve2dmn> you could probably survive with 1

L605[13:01:14] <Pakaran> makes sense

L606[13:01:34] <Pakaran> but more parachute is a fairly small mass penalty, right

L607[13:01:41] <Pakaran> also means you don't have to balance it

L608[13:01:44] <ve2dmn> the staypunik was JUST so I could open the parachutes. Could probably automate that with kOS

L609[13:02:27] <Althego> ok, from a kerbin orbit i got a 6 day encounter, more or less ok

L610[13:02:56] <Pakaran> I do have kos, and plan to, but right now I'm still at the point where it's practice launching.

L611[13:04:01] <Pakaran> My immediate goal is VAB level 2 (about 60k short of that now).

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L613[13:04:33] <ve2dmn> Pakaran: I stayed in LKO for a long time and made lost of money on tourist wanting to go there.

L614[13:05:15] <Pakaran> Yeah, I need to free up a few parts to get, at least, recoverable first stages.

L615[13:05:43] <ve2dmn> not a long in-game time, because each mission was short enough, but I automated everything so I could go do the dishes while the tourist when on a suborbital flight

L616[13:07:07] <Pakaran> the thing with tourism+ is you need a pilot and a tourist. I do notice it doesn't say the pilot needs to be capable of control, though, and I might redesign for something besides a mk1 pod and a passenger can.

L617[13:08:09] <ve2dmn> I says, try to do several contract at the same time: 1 pilot+ X tourists. Maximize for X

L618[13:08:29] <Pakaran> ooh.

L619[13:08:36] <ve2dmn> I designed a 7 kerbal ship, and an 11 kerbal one

L620[13:08:38] <Pakaran> and the tourists don't necessarily need to be doing the same thing.

L621[13:08:44] <ve2dmn> yu

L622[13:08:56] <ve2dmn> Put all the suborbital on the same orbital flight.

L623[13:09:10] <Althego> unbelievable, the closest node is more than 4 hours away. that is like a day

L624[13:09:46] <Althego> which is bad, because i need the money to do the final upgrade on the tracking station

L625[13:10:02] <Pakaran> yeah. I really need to get level 2 VAB and I'll be able to design around most of the other issues I have now.

L626[13:10:16] <Althego> but this hasnt happened in the entire history of this career

L627[13:10:34] <Althego> at most there was 1.5 hours so i could launch something and recover the first stage

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L630[13:19:06] <Althego> there are 2 contracts i could take, but... one is taking 850 ore from duna to around ike, which is a lot of work, because it is heavy, and cant be done for quite a while, because of the travel times

L631[13:19:51] <Althego> and the other is a station around the mun with 9 kerbals and a lab, too expensive to get it there for mere 200k

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L633[13:22:52] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Alas, poor Bill! I knew him, Jebediah, a Kerbal of infinite misfortune, of most high stupitidy.

L634[13:23:09] <Althego> hehe

L635[13:23:41] <Scolar_Visari> Remember how I was making a mod for Stellaris that would've made it so one could start out on a habitat instead of a planet?

L636[13:23:59] <Scolar_Visari> Turns out, somebody updated their own to do just that last night.

L637[13:24:52] <Scolar_Visari> I made this instead http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1314535252

L638[13:25:49] <Scolar_Visari> Proxima Centauri is not a place to raise a kid. In fact, it's irradiated as Hell https://phys.org/news/2018-02-proxima-centauri-good-bad-day.html

L639[13:33:15] <UmbralRaptop> Flares are weird.

L640[13:33:37] <Scolar_Visari> Red Dwarf stars in general are weird.

L641[13:33:42] <UmbralRaptop> In terms of joules released, A stars >> G stars >> M stars

L642[13:34:01] <UmbralRaptop> In terms of frequency and % of stellar brightness, it's the reverse.

L643[13:34:16] * Scolar_Visari recalls star spot activity being significant enough to be a major concern for long term habitabiliy.

L644[13:34:55] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptop: One would think that being fully convective would make them calmer but nooooo. They just had to be special little stellar objects.

L645[13:35:36] <UmbralRaptop> Also, the lack of spin down is weird.

L646[13:36:08] <Scolar_Visari> One wonders, however, how different red dwarf stars can be from one another.

L647[13:36:48] <UmbralRaptop> Quite a bit, AFAIK.

L648[13:37:41] <Scolar_Visari> I know age can change their flaring activity.

L649[13:37:47] <UmbralRaptop> M8 to M0 is what, a factor of 6-7 in mass?

L650[13:39:14] <UmbralRaptop> At least as big as AFGK, and bigger than the brown dwarf mass range!

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L652[13:41:47] <Scolar_Visari> Think of the habitability possibilities, too, with stable m-types.

L653[13:43:31] <Scolar_Visari> Oh dear . . . https://www.academia.edu/30921896/Why_Mars_has_no_atmosphere_like_the_moon_Titan_and_Earth

L654[13:44:23] <UmbralRaptop> wat

L655[13:45:38] <Scolar_Visari> It's from a frequent, ah, "contributor" to the comments sections on phys.org. They fancy themselves an expert in, "theoretical astrophysics".

L656[13:46:00] <Scolar_Visari> Believe it or not, they're also not the only person on the site to have missed the well recorded that fact that there is indeed water on Mars.

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L659[13:51:27] * Scolar_Visari notes the profile picture looks like Terry O'Quinn's character from The Stepfather.

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L661[13:53:10] <Scolar_Visari> Said person also seems to take credit for the first confirmed observation of gravitational waves (if I'm reading their word salad correctly) https://www.academia.edu/22690826/Gravitational_waves_a_great_discovery_or_a_great_scandal_a_plagiarism_

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L664[13:57:40] <Althego> how would you explain in a few sentences what ksp is... in german

L665[13:57:40] <Scolar_Visari> "when we master the temperatures below the melting point of helium ?7e#, which is 8?/?,3(6> or 36", we would be able to achieve the speeds greater than the speed of radiation ?light# and to start e$ploring the neighboring stellar systems."

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L667[13:58:37] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: It's a game about green astronauts and their rockets.

L668[13:58:51] <Scolar_Visari> Or, in the tongue of the Fatherland: Es ist ein Spiel über grüne Astronauten und ihre Raketen.

L669[13:59:32] <Scolar_Visari> Oh dear lord there's a Downfall paraody including KSP . . .

L670[14:00:25] <Scolar_Visari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgtMUkcPuo4

L671[14:00:25] <kmath> YouTube - Hitler Plans To Play Kerbal Space Program

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L673[14:03:24] <Fluburtur> kek

L674[14:04:09] <Scolar_Visari> In retrospect, von Braun and company could've done a better job if they played KSP.

L675[14:07:22] <Althego> hehe

L676[14:07:34] <Scolar_Visari> "Vhat do you know? Vee should have quick-saved BEFORE all the launches!"

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L678[14:13:38] <Scolar_Visari> Hey, Stratolaunch is still a thing sort of! http://www.stratolaunch.com/gallery.html

L679[14:19:54] <Althego> i am gonna build an airplane. it is going to be the best in the world. tremendous, huge, believe me.

L680[14:21:43] <Scolar_Visari> When?

L681[14:26:02] <Scolar_Visari> What's that noise . . . Ooooh, *four* F-35s.

L682[14:27:00] * Scolar_Visari googles, "anatomically correct dinosaurs" and gets the exact opposite.

L683[14:29:20] <UmbralRaptop> grr

L684[14:30:28] <UmbralRaptop> On a related note, can we have a Jurassic Park reboot where the dromeosaurs are the protagonists?

L685[14:31:01] <Scolar_Visari> Less humans, more dinosaurs.

L686[14:31:11] <Scolar_Visari> So . . . Raptor Red?

L687[14:31:35] <UmbralRaptop> :D

L688[14:32:50] <Scolar_Visari> Or sentient dinosaurs? https://povorot.deviantart.com/gallery/9348116/The-Dinosauroids

L689[14:35:29] <UmbralRaptop> Or that.

L690[14:36:42] * Scolar_Visari shudders https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LC7Ltxbk2-E/VcpTQUkavlI/AAAAAAAAE_o/AJsVP1hveIg/s1600/Dromec.jpg

L691[14:38:02] <UmbralRaptop> Hopefully that's from the 1970s or 80s?

L692[14:38:35] <Scolar_Visari> 1987

L693[14:39:34] <Scolar_Visari> Heres what they thought a Velociraptor would look like if you totally ignored the complete skeleton found in 1971 https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9gvEocUpKjs/VcpSa9fCsQI/AAAAAAAAE_U/cGeJNtoTPs8/s1600/Velociraptor.jpg

L694[14:39:54] <ve2dmn> I want a Jurasssic Park reboot where the dinosaurs start to have feathers

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L696[14:40:45] <UmbralRaptop> That had better be implicit in any reboot.

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L698[14:41:02] <ve2dmn> UmbralRaptop: sadly...

L699[14:41:24] <ve2dmn> Judging by the numbers of TIL on the topic I've seen on reddit...

L700[14:41:39] <UmbralRaptop> Scolar_Visari: crocodile jaw? o_O

L701[14:42:32] <Scolar_Visari> They did less wrong with the Deinonychus depiction, if only because it was a blatant copy of Bakker's depiction from The Dinosaur Heresies https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Vhb5EPvEdhM/VcpSTTJTPkI/AAAAAAAAE_M/dhnZbnaRd8I/s1600/Deinonychus.jpg

L702[14:42:52] <UmbralRaptop> ve2dmn: tell them that a cassowary is basically a vegetarian velociraptor.

L703[14:43:08] <Scolar_Visari> Whatisthisidonteven https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-363fNhpSQeE/VcpTkGZ4NHI/AAAAAAAAE_4/JxAKvMGodas/s1600/Spino.jpg

L704[14:43:45] <UmbralRaptop> Scolar_Visari:… a plant eating deinonychus? o_O

L705[14:43:53] <ve2dmn> it's a spino dino!

L706[14:44:33] <UmbralRaptop> Spinosaurus, dimetrodon, close enough.

L707[14:45:01] <ve2dmn> I think the most mind-blowing thing is when you tell people that the dino are still alive and well

L708[14:45:48] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptop: The 80's were a different time. The authors were probably loaded on coke when they wrote this.

L709[14:46:04] <ve2dmn> And the dinos where closer to 'Big Bird' then 'Big Lizard'...

L710[14:46:24] <ve2dmn> ...of course, the Big Lizard lobby is strong

L711[14:46:31] <UmbralRaptop> (okay, there were other animals, I think including diapsids that looked like dimetrodons. In the Permian)

L712[14:47:26] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: All the more amusing given that dromeosaurs were not all that different looking from modern birds.

L713[14:47:35] <Scolar_Visari> And they were around since the Jurassic.

L714[14:48:04] <ve2dmn> "Seseme Street Big Bird is a dinosaur"

L715[14:48:36] <ve2dmn> Sesame*

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L718[14:51:26] <Althego> maybe i can do the station under 50k, and then i get the 150 reward az profit. but then 10 kerbals will be stuck around the mun

L719[14:51:36] <Scolar_Visari> It's funny thinking about how revolutionary the Bakker rendition of Deinonychus was and how terrible it is today https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Wxaf2pcOPnQ/UtxIt6FOOlI/AAAAAAAADbc/WSrJ2rzf7L8/s1600/Deinonychus.jpg

L720[14:51:59] <Althego> maybe if i had an ssto i could get them back with fuel price

L721[14:52:06] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: I wouldn't worry so long as they sign a waiver forfeiting their lives.

L722[14:52:06] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: same with every field of science...

L723[14:52:37] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: Made all the more amusing, however, because Huxley had already demonstrated a strong link between dinosaurs and modern birds a century before Bakker.

L724[14:53:20] <ve2dmn> not my field, so *shrug*

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L726[14:54:10] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: To be frank, a lot of paleontologists prior to Ostrom and Bakker were . . . Unprofessional glory seekers.

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L728[14:54:39] <ve2dmn> Like modern cryptozoo-o-lo-gist?

L729[14:55:31] <Scolar_Visari> More like Tomb Raiders.

L730[14:55:44] * Scolar_Visari notes there's a Drunk History episode which covers the Bone Wars, with Christopher Meloni!

L731[14:57:27] <ve2dmn> I'm happy that we live in the era of 'we know about exoplanets' rather: 'you died of miasma'

L732[14:57:32] <Scolar_Visari> Meh, better https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-T4evM6NQgow/VX3DpjVrkOI/AAAAAAAAE5k/KuItfU5PCmY/s1600/JWConstantijn2.jpg

L733[14:58:02] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: "Obviously we did not bleed them enough to balance their humors."

L734[14:58:15] <ve2dmn> *sigh*

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L736[14:59:16] <ve2dmn> We still have things to clean up, like stop practicing physiotherapy like it's a real science

L737[14:59:16] <Scolar_Visari> Wow, Barney gained some weight https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-j-qwTMfpToo/TtPaONz7O3I/AAAAAAAAAbk/djFtuLAY-IY/s1600/Tyranno.jpg

L738[14:59:36] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: Shhh, you don't want the chiropracters hearing you say things like that!

L739[15:00:07] <ve2dmn> Physio is still covered in Quebec, but barely

L740[15:00:31] <Scolar_Visari> No no no no no https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YoZ3g98OLOU/TtPdnp-hKDI/AAAAAAAAAbw/cj5Sb2kFbtI/s1600/Deinonychus.jpg

L741[15:03:43] <Scolar_Visari> Daaaaawww https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ON18InoGrXk/TgTTeX-W_iI/AAAAAAAABVo/S-ki1u8XkdY/s1600/troodons_tool_using_dinosaurs_by_psithyrus-d3cl0pj.jpg

L742[15:06:28] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: Huh, I didn't hear about this one http://utahraptors.utahpaleo.org/

L743[15:07:52] <UmbralRaptop> Interesting

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L745[15:09:11] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.

L746[15:10:03] <Scolar_Visari> There's suggestions that this heavily supports pack hunting among Utahraptors, and there are juveniles among the recovered specimens.

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L752[15:20:48] <GuestBanana> am I allowed to ask why the thread about the updated terms was closed and is it a taboo topic now

L753[15:23:22] <iplop> I'm not familiar but if I had to guess: conspiracy mongers followed by a bit of Streisand effect

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L755[15:33:55] <ve2dmn> I read the fews pages, and it seemed like it was moslty 'meh'

L756[15:34:05] <ve2dmn> (first few pages* )

L757[15:34:12] <GuestBanana> I'm sorry about the statement I made yesterday

L758[15:35:30] <GuestBanana> I don't want to be so dramatic about something that was bound to come with the T2 acquisition

L759[15:36:27] <GuestBanana> The updated terms thread is closed, but the discussion page is open

L760[15:36:38] <GuestBanana> I'm sorry for misinforming; page is here: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/171236-updated-terms-notice-privacy-policy-discussion

L761[15:37:12] <ve2dmn> It's not like we can't backup our current version and continue using it indefinetly.

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L763[15:39:03] <ve2dmn> I think we'll see KSP going the way of Paradox games: paid DLC to maintain developpement staff.

L764[15:39:18] <ve2dmn> Expect 1 DLC per X months

L765[15:40:20] <Mat2ch> Uhh... I hope they considered the General Data Protection Regulation or someone may write cease-and-desist letters

L766[15:42:49] <GuestBanana> What's a good estimate of the money they'll not be getting because of the people who bought the game while it was free and now get to buy the DLC free?

L767[15:43:13] <GuestBanana> Also, where's the original creator's reddit and is it active?

L768[15:44:04] <Pakaran> so I have a contract that keeps tempting me, fly tourists over Kerbin's badlands.

L769[15:44:39] <Pakaran> I know generally where they are in this mod, but it's a small point on the far side of the planet

L770[15:48:12] <ve2dmn> GuestBanana: very hard to get good numbers, so hard to estimate. I imagine that it's a small fraction of the potential monetary gain

L771[15:51:08] <Mat2ch> it looks like Take2 did their homework. The privacy policy should be in line with the new General Data Protection Regulation

L772[15:51:41] <ve2dmn> Mat2ch: probably used the same template as the rest of the stuff they own

L773[15:52:12] <Mat2ch> ve2dmn: it seems they only have one and they are linking to it everywhere

L774[15:52:41] <ve2dmn> well... if it's a decent one... why not re-use it

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L777[15:53:50] <Mat2ch> exactly :)

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L783[15:56:15] <ve2dmn> I was listening to the Paradox podcast about the buiness of gaming, and they mentioned that the current trend is consolidation

L784[15:56:37] <ve2dmn> Also that there was 21 new games on steam every *day*

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L788[15:59:12] <Mat2ch> I don't want to get political, but what do you expect in a world where the real work is mostly done by robots, but everybody needs to earn money to have something to eat...

L789[15:59:31] <Mat2ch> I wonder when the first games are written by an AI ;P

L790[16:02:49] <iplop> rather than DLC

L791[16:03:05] <iplop> it's more likely that they'll just be using the IP for future games

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L793[16:06:08] * UmbralRaptop ?? school WiFi

L794[16:06:42] <ve2dmn> We'll see, but I don't think the KSP 'IP' can be re-used that much

L795[16:08:34] <Pakaran> we already see half the MSM articles about space illustrated by "artists renditions" that are in fact KSP screenshots...

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L797[16:10:00] <ve2dmn> MSM ?

L798[16:10:50] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDl_LO6nOnI

L799[16:10:50] <kmath> YouTube - Rocket Science E06: Solid Propulsion

L800[16:12:17] <Rokker> ve2dmn: main stream media

L801[16:12:38] <iplop> ve2dmn: kerbals are every bit as good as minions -marketability-wise :v

L802[16:12:51] <ve2dmn> ^ that is true

L803[16:12:52] <iplop> think: educational minions

L804[16:12:52] <Rokker> disagree

L805[16:12:53] <iplop> D:

L806[16:13:04] <ve2dmn> I prefer to think KSP movie

L807[16:13:16] <ve2dmn> would be wierd...

L808[16:13:23] <iplop> also: mobile games, childrens videos

L809[16:13:28] <Rokker> why are side launched stages such a nightmare in KSP

L810[16:13:38] <Rokker> or at least KSP RO

L811[16:13:41] <ve2dmn> we'll see

L812[16:13:42] <iplop> whatever educational game brand they intend to do

L813[16:14:12] <Rokker> well squad is trash so whatever they do with the IP likely will be as well

L814[16:14:19] <Rokker> unless Take Two takes it insteade

L815[16:14:27] <Rokker> instead*

L816[16:14:46] <iplop> are people upset with squad now? O.o

L817[16:14:54] <Rokker> have been for a long time

L818[16:15:01] <iplop> why's that?

L819[16:15:06] <Rokker> iplop: because they are trash

L820[16:15:16] <iplop> a non-4chan reason?

L821[16:15:19] <Rokker> yes

L822[16:15:31] <iplop> can you supply a non-4chan reason?

L823[16:15:42] <Rokker> iplop: theyve driven away just about every good programmer who has ever worked for them

L824[16:15:47] <Rokker> namely due to management issues

L825[16:16:30] <Rokker> ive heard shady stuff about them in the 6 or so years ive been in the community that i really shouldnt repeat

L826[16:17:29] <Rokker> maybe take two has and is straightening them out

L827[16:17:38] <Rokker> but squad by itself was horrible

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L829[16:18:59] <iplop> looking up squad: it looks like they were never very serious about game development O.o

L830[16:19:16] <ve2dmn> it was not their core buiness no

L831[16:19:19] <iplop> as in: KSP was a one-off accidental thing

L832[16:19:24] <ve2dmn> exactly

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L835[16:19:46] <ve2dmn> I'm still happy it happened

L836[16:19:52] <Rokker> iplop: KSP was born out of them being afraid harvester was gonna leave them so they let him make KSP to appease him and keep him from leaving

L837[16:19:59] <Rokker> ve2dmn: im happy it happened

L838[16:20:04] <Rokker> but im not happy with the company

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L840[16:20:14] <iplop> they want to be a record producer O.o

L841[16:20:15] <Rokker> nor their treatment of now former employees

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L844[16:20:59] <Rokker> ve2dmn: for example, i can guarantee ill never by anything else squad produces

L845[16:21:10] <Rokker> on ethical grounds

L846[16:21:31] <iplop> you'd think they killed your dog

L847[16:22:23] * iplop doesn't care much either way

L848[16:22:28] <iplop> KSP is fun

L849[16:23:10] <ConductCat> :3

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L851[16:24:59] <Fluburtur> started a new stellaris game with a friend

L852[16:25:09] <Fluburtur> pretty nice start but im fairly low on cash

L853[16:25:14] <Fluburtur> but im loaded with energy

L854[16:25:22] <Fluburtur> was the opposite before the update

L855[16:25:57] <Rokker> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DW_KcVyU8AInbIy.jpg

L856[16:26:00] <Rokker> mmmmm

L857[16:26:23] <iplop> that's ginnormous

L858[16:26:25] <Rokker> Fluburtur: im thinking about trying stellaris again. first game i played i didnt like as much as, say, EU4

L859[16:26:55] <SirWhales> i decided i hated it after 1.5 hrs of gameplay

L860[16:26:59] <SirWhales> but that was like a year ago

L861[16:27:02] <SirWhales> and i hear it's changed

L862[16:27:07] <Fluburtur> it's a nice game

L863[16:27:18] <Fluburtur> im not much into that kind of games usually but I love it

L864[16:27:18] <Rokker> Fluburtur: invested a tn of hours and did like the absolute minimum of diplomacy, which annoyed me

L865[16:29:17] <Mat2ch> .oO( and I still have a key I'd trade ;P )

L866[16:29:51] <Rokker> iplop: still, not as awesome as the proposed twin C-5 shuttle carrier would have been, but its a nice plane

L867[16:32:17] <Rokker> https://i.imgur.com/nxAfsE4.jpg

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L883[18:02:26] <Kalov> hello!

L884[18:02:50] <ve2dmn> Hello

L885[18:02:53] <Mod9000> Hello, ve2dmn

L886[18:03:00] <ve2dmn> ...

L887[18:03:08] <Supernovy> Hi there Mod9000!

L888[18:03:16] <ve2dmn> ...

L889[18:05:50] <ve2dmn> http://thedoghousediaries.com/6029

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L897[18:18:41] <TheKosmonaut> Stellaris is fun. But I am not a huge fan of the wars

L898[18:18:59] <TheKosmonaut> Or any of the diplo really

L899[18:19:46] <ve2dmn> The new update changed all that

L900[18:20:22] <ve2dmn> For better or worse I'm not 100% sure because I played pacifists mostly in the last few games

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L902[18:21:43] <ve2dmn> Although I might go the 'Humans require Ice Cream' route in the next game

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L904[18:24:25] <Guest63466> hello ?

L905[18:24:39] <ve2dmn> hello

L906[18:24:39] <Mod9000> Hello, ve2dmn

L907[18:24:53] <Guest63466> how are u doing today ?

L908[18:27:47] <Guest63466> is there anyone ?

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L911[18:30:47] <Mathuin> I've never flown to Duna. Is there a stock vessel in sandbox that can get there?

L912[18:30:50] <Kalov> do you guys know of a mod of interstellar?

L913[18:30:56] <Kalov> like the movie

L914[18:31:05] <Mathuin> Someone asked me to test a kOS interplanetary Hohmann script.

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L918[18:32:31] <ve2dmn> Mathuin: no clue.

L919[18:33:03] <ve2dmn> Kalov: not sure what exactly you are looking for... extra solar systems?

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L921[18:40:59] <UmbralRaptop> Mathuin: I think the Kerbal-X does, though unsure about returning.

L922[18:41:29] <UmbralRaptop> And now for a random YouTube link that feels oddly on brand for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_SgzSU-Ok0

L923[18:41:29] <kmath> YouTube - Raptor: Call of the Shadows (remix)

L924[18:43:26] <ve2dmn> UmbralRaptop: they re-release Raptor:CoTS?

L925[18:44:10] <UmbralRaptop> ve2dmn: I think there was one in 2015?

L926[18:44:26] <UmbralRaptop> 2010

L927[18:44:34] <ve2dmn> I must have missed it. I still have the floppies

L928[18:45:33] <UmbralRaptop> Apparently the remake isn't very good. Fortunately DOSBox exists.

L929[18:46:55] <UmbralRaptop> Well, 2010 is getting bad comments. (They turned the midis into low quality MP3s and messed with the controls?)

L930[18:47:07] <ve2dmn> sadly, I know the cheat code by heart

L931[18:48:24] <UmbralRaptop> SET S_HOST = CASTLE?

L932[18:48:45] <ve2dmn> Backspace

L933[18:49:28] <UmbralRaptop> That, too.

L934[18:49:40] <ve2dmn> :D

L935[18:50:53] <ve2dmn> UmbralRaptop: here's another random remix for your enjoyement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix4FsgBi2AY

L936[18:50:53] <kmath> YouTube - OC ReMix #1723: Mega Man 3 'The Passing of the Blue Crown' [Title] by Steppo, Juan Medrano & zircon

L937[18:52:42] <UmbralRaptop> Oh, right. I should go on another OCRemix download spree at some point.

L938[18:53:32] <ve2dmn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqwkXj3vJQM

L939[18:53:33] <kmath> YouTube - OC ReMix #2070: Mega Man 2 'Dokuta Wairi, Rival to the Light' [Dr. Wily Stage 1] by Juan Medrano

L940[18:54:41] <ve2dmn> Or anything by Juan Medrano really

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L949[19:54:41] <Draconiator> hmmm, apparently, Take2 is killing mods, like they did with GTA5

L950[19:57:08] <UmbralRaptop> Wait, what

L951[20:04:19] <Azander> what?

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L953[20:08:22] <Draconiator> `There's a new updated EULA coming out for KSP Steam says

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L960[20:41:44] <NealLaptop> let's deorbit the earth

L961[20:41:49] <NealLaptop> it's too cold

L962[20:43:34] <taniwha> tell that to my mom

L963[20:44:06] <taniwha> last I talked to her, she complained about the heat

L964[20:44:23] <taniwha> (especially when I mentioned parts of Japan got 439cm of snow)

L965[20:44:55] * UmbralRaptop blinks.

L966[20:45:12] <UmbralRaptop> Over 4 *meters*?

L967[20:45:16] <taniwha> yeah

L968[20:45:26] <NealLaptop> I think we've had about 2 inches of rain since july this year

L969[20:45:28] <Mathuin> That's a lot of snow.

L970[20:45:48] <taniwha> yeah, I think it was in the Kanazawa area

L971[20:46:19] <taniwha> there were several deaths from it, too

L972[20:46:55] <taniwha> (I didn't catch many details as I was merely passing by the TV)

L973[20:47:52] <taniwha> UmbralRaptop: even Wakayama got enough snow to hang around half a day, which is quite unusual, especially in Feb

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L976[20:49:33] <UmbralRaptop> Hrm

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L978[20:50:12] * UmbralRaptop is used to the idea of February being the snowiest month. >_>

L979[20:54:43] <taniwha> UmbralRaptop: it's usually late December to late January that Wakayama gets /any/ snow, and it usually doesn't turn the ground white.

L980[20:55:17] <taniwha> (usually too dry despite the sea being a stone's throw)

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L982[20:57:59] <taniwha> Wakayama is near the Pacific, Kanazawa is near the Japan Sea

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L984[21:05:18] <UmbralRaptop> Uh, in a channel where stones can be accelerated to 10s of km/s, I'm not sure how far that is.

L985[21:05:23] <UmbralRaptop> >_>

L986[21:06:09] <lordcirth> Hey, CKAN ships .deb's now, that's cool

L987[21:08:00] <UmbralRaptop> !

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L989[21:08:25] <UmbralRaptop> sudo apt-get install kRPC

L990[21:08:34] <UmbralRaptop> <_< >_>

L991[21:09:54] <taniwha> UmbralRaptop: haha, yeah

L992[21:10:23] <taniwha> more KSP+Inkscape fun: http://taniwha.org/~bill/path878.png

L993[21:13:15] <UmbralRaptop> Inspecting a raised launch platform?

L994[21:13:29] <taniwha> sort of, yeah

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L1006[22:20:51] <Mathuin> lordcirth: the day they started doing that was the day I stopped using CKAN from within Docker.

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L1008[22:27:42] <lordcirth> Mathuin, I get not wanting non-packaged things, but it's literally a single file

L1009[22:28:10] <lordcirth> It's not like KSP comes in .deb, after all

L1010[22:28:25] <Mathuin> lordcirth: KSP comes from Steam, which came in .deb ;-)

L1011[22:28:45] <Mathuin> My real problem, though, was building it.

L1012[22:29:03] <lordcirth> building it? It's an .exe

L1013[22:30:45] <Mathuin> When I started using it, there wasn't an .exe I could get.

L1014[22:30:56] <Mathuin> Or, there was, and I couldn't find it.

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L1025[23:59:49] <GlassYuri> https://twitter.com/AItoiI/status/967923332954783745

L1026[23:59:49] <kmath> <AItoiI> ?????? https://t.co/uHctjSCfAL