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L12[02:15:36] <Althego> what do scientists
do with the stars?
L13[02:20:19] <Althego> they used to boost
science but the they do something else now, and the description is
not really helpful
L14[02:20:39] <Althego> now that bob is
back he is 3 stars
L15[02:20:52] <Althego> i could still send
him to eve
L16[02:21:38] <Althego> not land of course,
but to orbit
L17[02:22:09] <Althego> but 2 probes are
already underway
L18[02:22:39] <Althego> one may even come
back if i do it correctly, although it was designed to land
L20[02:31:47] <Althego> what else?
L21[02:32:09] <Althego> i even go to minmus
on an escape trajectory out of kerbin, because of the reduction in
time
L22[02:34:44] <taniwha> setting up
hyperbolic intercepts takes some fiddling
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L26[02:55:12] <taniwha> so far, working
quite well (the spherical tank was built on-site using one of those
explosive pads)
L27[02:55:46] <Althego> btw the mission
builder thing to be released in march... will have possibility to
launch from other bodies than kerbin
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L29[02:56:22] <taniwha> Yeah, though I
believe there will be some catches
L30[02:56:31] <Althego> probably works only
for missions
L31[02:56:47] <Althego> but probably adds
some moddability to the game
L32[02:57:05] <Althego> because so far eve
and duna starting mods were hacks, done by renaming kerbin
L33[02:57:42] <taniwha> yeah
L34[02:58:12] <Althego> or maybe not,
because it will provide a launchpad, not the whole space
center
L35[03:03:28] <Althego> have to sleep a
bit
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L44[04:00:43] <Mat2ch> and that it's not
just a cover
L45[04:01:01] <Mat2ch> but, where's the
second half? ;)
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L404[05:37:00] <Fluburtur>
"catastrophe"
L405[05:37:02] <Fluburtur> is it that
bad?
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L410[05:47:06] <taniwha> well, it's a phe
full of star cats, so probably
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L412[05:55:27] ***
Soundwave is now known as legion
L414[06:28:54] <Althego> inflatable parts.
ceo of bigelow must be drooling over these pictures
L415[06:29:37] <taniwha> heh
L416[06:30:02] <Althego> let's hope we see
thati nflatable space station soon
L417[06:30:59] <taniwha> well, now that
SpaceX has a nice heavy launcher, we might
L418[06:32:17] <Althego> if ticket prices
go down maybe even i can afford a few days in space before i
die
L419[06:35:18] <Althego> or if they really
go down, a trip around the moon
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L428[07:44:04] <ve2dmn> Inflatable
station: The International Space Bouncy Castle
L429[07:54:24] <taniwha> shard space
bouncy castle ;)
L430[07:55:42] <Gasher[home]> random
thought - what do bouncy castle, mosque and hindu temple have in
common?
L431[08:00:04] <sandbox> I know
L433[08:02:16] <Gasher[home]> sandbox,
so?
L434[08:03:11] <sandbox> Gasher[home], you
have to take off your shoes
L435[08:05:11] <Gasher[home]>
correct!
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L438[08:27:17] <Fluburtur> Mat2ch
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L442[08:34:08] <kevlarballoons> this will
take forever without afterburners
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L444[08:34:57] <kevlarballoons> i guess i
could use them then land at baikonur or whatever the kerbal version
is called
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L451[09:03:54] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: you
still need to clean your workshop.
L452[09:03:56] <Mat2ch> :D
L453[09:03:58] <Mat2ch> Looks great
:)
L454[09:04:04] <Fluburtur> heh
thanks
L455[09:04:10] <Fluburtur> I made a mess
to paint it actually
L456[09:04:17] <Fluburtur> will finish the
yellow then do the red
L457[09:04:25] <Fluburtur> then do the
details with the airbrush
L458[09:04:32] <Mat2ch> I see a tetrapak
of apple juice on the floor! Explain! ;)
L459[09:04:44] <Fluburtur> is full of
water
L460[09:04:48] <Fluburtur> for weight and
stuff
L461[09:05:23] <Mat2ch> right answer
:)
L462[09:05:58] <Fluburtur> also I will
need to sand all the fiber tape so paint sticks to it
L463[09:06:24] <Mat2ch> wouldn't that
weaken it?
L464[09:06:34] <Fluburtur> nah
L465[09:06:45] <Fluburtur> just scratch it
a bit so it sticks
L466[09:06:55] <Fluburtur> won't remove
the tape
L467[09:07:14] <Mat2ch> if that doesn't
help try some primer
L468[09:07:28] <Fluburtur> don't want to
make it too heavy
L469[09:07:42] <Fluburtur> well actually I
wanted to add some weight to see if it flies better
L470[09:07:51] <Mat2ch> maybe mixing the
actual color with primer could be an option
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L472[09:08:01] <Fluburtur> eh
L473[09:08:09] <Fluburtur> acrylic sticks
very well on foam
L474[09:08:20] <Mat2ch> true. But badly to
tape. Been there, done that :D
L475[09:08:37] <Mat2ch> That's why I
painted my models before sticking tapes to them :)
L476[09:08:46] <Fluburtur> I have sanded
that tape to glue stuff on it before and it went fine
L477[09:08:53] <Mat2ch> *tape on
them
L478[09:09:18] <Mat2ch> let me know if it
worked :)
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L483[09:15:24] <kevlarballoons> lol and i
can't seem to set an engine on fire rip
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L497[10:00:46] <kevlarballoons> wait
wut
L498[10:00:54] <kevlarballoons> there's a
relay right there
L499[10:01:00] <kevlarballoons> how am i
not connected to it
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L504[10:28:10] <Glass|phone> this is
unrelated to anything but I have, by accident, reprogrammed my
brain to replace the word 'elevator' with 'electric
staircase'
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L506[10:30:35] <UmbralRaptor> Why not
escalator? o_O
L507[10:31:08] <Glass|phone> because
typos
L508[10:31:28] <Althego> hehe, like kasuga
ayumu (osaka)
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L510[10:32:34] <GuestBanana> hello
L511[10:32:37] <Mod9000> Hello,
GuestBanana
L513[10:32:48] <kmath> YouTube - Sesame
Street: Feist sings 1,2,3,4
L514[10:35:47] <GuestBanana> i was going
to watch EnterElysium play Stellaris: Apocalypse but somehow I
ended up on this weird tangent and apparently lots of famous
singers guest star on Sesame Street
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L516[10:43:19] <GuestBanana> okay now it's
time for stellaris
L517[10:44:11] <Draconiator> Well I'd cry
too if I could only count to banana.
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L519[10:46:09] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: This comment has been brought to you by weakly
interacting messaging protocols!
L520[10:46:45] <Althego> hehe
L521[10:46:52] <Althego> wimps and
machos
L522[10:47:26] <Scolar_Visari> Well, as we
all know, Mirc Active CHatting Operating Systems were
disproven.
L523[10:48:21] <GuestBanana> I prefer
Non-Agressive CHosen Operating Systems, just saying
L524[10:48:26] <Scolar_Visari> Speaking of
WIMPy MACHOs . . . "First Dark Matter, then Dark Energy, now
Dark Particles. Remember the days when science would develop
theories based on facts and not make up new unseen and unproven
things to explain discrepancies? I love science, but I fear that it
is headed down a Dark Slippery Slope."
L525[10:48:43] *
Scolar_Visari notes, "I love science" performs the same
function as, "Bless their heart".
L526[10:49:44] <Draconiator> I like CHEESy
NACHOs
L527[10:50:57] <Scolar_Visari>
Draconiator: I dare say, good sir/madam, eating brown dwarfs with
cheese is barbarous! The only CORRECT way to eat them is with
Bose–Einstein condensate!
L528[10:53:21] *
Scolar_Visari ponders if the people approaching dark matter with
pseudoskepticism are also the same people that would've railed
against neutrinos before their observation.
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L530[10:56:00] <Scolar_Visari> "The
universe does not need some mysterious "dark matter" to
explain its expansion. A simple radiometer toy shows how the force
of sunlight can push things in a vacuum."
L531[10:56:13] <Scolar_Visari> Check mate,
inflationists.
L532[10:56:42] <ve2dmn> We need a healty
dose of skepticism, but when the equations do not balance, you need
to come up with... somthing
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L534[10:57:25] <ve2dmn> Right now dark
matter and dark energy sounds like crappy cope-out, but we don't
have any better explanations
L535[10:57:51] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
It's not so much skepticism as much as it is they haven't put forth
more than thirty seconds of effort into understanding what they're
attempting to criticize.
L536[10:59:06] <Althego> the radiometer
actually rotates in the opposite direction because of reasons
L537[10:59:24] <Scolar_Visari> Though the
particular term 'dark matter' is a decent enough place holder more
than an explanation in and of itself.
L538[10:59:31] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
Magic, of course.
L539[10:59:32] <Althego> so it is not
showing the loght pressure
L540[10:59:44] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari:
same with everyone over everything. Armchair expert in every
fields
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L542[11:00:52] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
They're not armchair experts . . . They haven't even gotten out of
bed!
L543[11:01:05] <Althego> hehe
L544[11:01:25] <Althego> are we talking
about flat earthers?
L545[11:01:51] <Scolar_Visari> Hrm, there
may be a big overlap here.
L546[11:03:03] <ve2dmn> Complex truth vs
simple lie
L547[11:05:31] <Scolar_Visari> I'm not
saying it's complex, I'm simply saying it was aliens.
L548[11:05:41] <Althego> hehe
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L550[11:05:56] <Althego> everybody
pictures the aliens guy holding his hands in the ftront
L551[11:08:03] <ve2dmn> "Science
doesn't know everything"
L552[11:08:22] <Scolar_Visari> Though I
suppose aliens would be the rule to the exception of simple lies.
After all, building grandiose tombs to show off one's, er,
pharaonic virility, is a lot simpler than, "pyramid
power".
L553[11:08:59] <Azander> what about the
huge temples then ?
L554[11:09:29] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: the
simple lie here is : It's hard to build and people didn't have the
tech before
L555[11:09:36] <Scolar_Visari> Azander:
They housed cult statues and served as a sort of bank.
L556[11:10:02] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: We
must've lost the art of copper tool making and sanding after
adopting the wheel.
L557[11:10:28] <ve2dmn> Civ 5 told me that
you never lose anything
L558[11:10:54] <Scolar_Visari> Psht, like
that Great Wall bonus that disappears after gunpowder!?
L559[11:11:32] <ve2dmn> pfff, it was a
fake bonus to begin with...
L560[11:11:56] <Scolar_Visari> Azander:
Now that I think about it, it's important to remember that
Egyptian, Greek and Roman temples only served as places of worship
for the cult priests.
L561[11:12:09] <Azander> ahhhh, ok
L562[11:12:46] <Scolar_Visari> They were
meant to impress from the outside, and entrance was often forbidden
to anyone other than cult members. Communal worship (such as
festivals) was an outdoor activity.
L563[11:13:37] <Scolar_Visari> Also a good
excuse to get falling down drunk and eat red meat.
L564[11:14:10] <Azander> and not have to
'work' for the day
L565[11:14:43] *
Scolar_Visari notes the Romans and Greeks typically gave the gods
the parts of animals that humans would find inedible.
L566[11:15:07] <Scolar_Visari>
"Alright, Zeus gets the bones and here's a steak for my fellow
Athenians!"
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L568[11:17:30] <Scolar_Visari> The Kerbals
conduct their sacrfices underneath the roaring engines of launching
rockets.
L569[11:19:11] <Althego> what is the god
of rocketry called?
L570[11:19:33] <Azander> Kermin
L571[11:19:56] <Scolar_Visari> Tsiolkovsky
Magnus
L572[11:20:14] <GuestBanana> Loreum Ipsum
Dolor Rocketus
L573[11:21:43] <Althego> hehe
tsiolkovsky
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L575[11:22:52] <Althego> hah curiosity's
drill is working again
L576[11:23:03] <Althego> what could they
have done remotely to fix it?
L577[11:23:29] <Scolar_Visari> Sought the
Machine God's blessing, of course.
L578[11:23:32] <Azander> warmed it up,
rotated the gears back and forth to free them, fix the program that
controls it...
L579[11:23:47] <Althego> it took them a
year
L580[11:24:18] <Scolar_Visari> Time moves
slowly for Solar powered rovers on other worlds.
L581[11:24:30] <Althego> not solar powered
:)
L582[11:25:25] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
Where do you think that Pu-238 came from?
L583[11:25:45] <Scolar_Visari> FROM
COLLIDING DEAD STARS, THAT'S WHERE.
L584[11:25:51] <Althego> ultimately every
hevier element comes from stars
L585[11:26:50] <ve2dmn> Supernovy made
PU-238 in his spare time... when he was done with all the hydrogen
fusion
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L587[11:27:51] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn:
Psht, supernovae are insufficient. You must take two neutron stars
and collide them.
L588[11:30:03] <Scolar_Visari> In fact,
there's a good argument that anything with an atomic number higher
than lead could only be created naturally via neutron star
nucleosynthesis.
L589[11:30:49] <ve2dmn> then I don't
understand how come there is so much of it
L590[11:31:25] <Scolar_Visari> There isn't
that much relative to other things.
L591[11:33:15] <Scolar_Visari> Most
baryonic matter in the universe *is* hydrogen and helium.
L592[11:34:01] <ve2dmn> then I guess I
underestimate the mass of stars and the number of collision there
was in the past
L593[11:34:06] <Scolar_Visari>
Plutonium-238 being vanishingly rare on Earth because it's not
actually natural!
L594[11:34:28] <ve2dmn> it's in the
ground, therefore it's natural :P
L595[11:34:55] <Scolar_Visari> There's
also that matter of a lot of heavy elements on Earth being
concentrated via hydrological and geological phenomenon.
L597[11:40:06] *
Scolar_Visari ponders colliding neutron stars intentionally for
more massive elements.
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L599[11:41:16] <Althego> they decay way
rapidly
L600[11:41:27] <Althego> maybe except for
the island of stability
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half-protons.
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L608[11:55:18] <Althego> how do you make a
half proton
L609[11:59:16] <UmbralRaptor>
Carefully.
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1000 degree knife?
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L637[14:04:21] <JCB> hmm... robotic
spaceplanes.... sometimes wondered if smaller size would help with
things
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L640[14:26:04] <nikzer> ?? ?????
L641[14:26:54] <nikzer> ??? ?????????
????
L642[14:27:03] <Gasher[home]> yes
L643[14:27:22] <nikzer> Kerbal Space
Program ?? ??? ?? ??????
L644[14:27:27] <Gasher[home]> ?????? ???
??? ???-???? ??-?????????
L645[14:28:11] <Gasher[home]> ?? ????????
????? ??????
L646[14:28:11] <nikzer> ? ?? ?????? ???
????
L647[14:28:13] <Gasher[home]> ??
L648[14:28:35] <Gasher[home]> ?? ??????
????? ??????? ?????? ????
L649[14:28:40] <nikzer> ? ???? ???????
????
L650[14:28:50] <Gasher[home]> ???????
?????
L651[14:28:57] <JCB> lol....
L652[14:29:03] <nikzer> ????? ????
????
L653[14:29:04] <JCB> was heading off
anyways..
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L659[14:30:21] <kevlarballoons> thats dumb
lol
L660[14:30:25] <kevlarballoons> my ksp
stopped working
L661[14:30:26] <Gasher[home]> ?????? ??
??????? nikzer
L662[14:30:27] <kevlarballoons> so i
closed it
L663[14:30:34] <kevlarballoons> and then
right before it closed it's like "sup bro"
L664[14:30:43] <kevlarballoons> no hablo
russian
L665[14:31:48] <Gasher[home]>
kevlarballoons, was explaining how to find russian section of forum
to some guy
L666[14:32:52] <Gasher[home]> nikzer, ? ?
????? ?? ???????? ? ?? ?????????????, ??? ??? ???? ????? ????
?????-?????? ?????????
L667[14:33:21] <nikzer_> ???? ????
?????
L668[14:33:44] <Gasher[home]> ????? ?????
?????? ?? ???? ?????? - ? ?? ?? ?????? ?????? ???
L669[14:33:49] <Gasher[home]> * ???
L670[14:34:11] <nikzer_> ?? ?????
L671[14:34:20] <kevlarballoons> ok
nohan
L672[14:34:36] <nikzer_> ?????
L673[14:35:32] <Gasher[home]> nikzer_, ???
?????? )))
L674[14:36:22] <kevlarballoons> ok
lol
L675[14:36:31] <kevlarballoons> so kerbal
alarm clock is crashing every time i go to map
L676[14:36:33] <kevlarballoons> thats
great lol
L677[14:37:17] <Gasher[home]> well at
least you figured out what is happening
L678[14:37:35] <Gasher[home]> i had a
physics glitch with phys range extension mod
L679[14:37:39] <kevlarballoons> nvm now it
works
L680[14:38:11] <Gasher[home]> i used that
for BDArmory but with captured asteroids it got me kraken forces
lol
L681[14:38:56] <nikzer_> ? ?? ?? ??
????????
L682[14:39:00] <nikzer_> ???
L683[14:39:08] <Gasher[home]> ?
???????
L684[14:39:51] <nikzer_> ? ???? ? ??? ???
?? ?????????
L685[14:41:41] <Gasher[home]> ? ?? ????? ?
??? ??????-??? ?? ? ?????? ??-?????? ? ??? ?????
L686[14:42:40] <nikzer> < ?????
[???????] > ?????? ??? ??? ???-???? ??-?????????
L687[14:42:46] <nikzer> ? ??? ?? ???
L688[14:43:04] <nikzer> ???
L689[14:43:11] <Gasher[home]> ?? ??????
??????? ??????? ????, ??????? ??? ??-??????
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L696[14:45:40] <Gasher[home]> nikzer, ??
???? ?????? ??????? ??? ? ??????? ? ??? ? ???? ??????. ? ??? ?????
????, ? ???????? ?? ??, ??? ? ??? - ???????, ??????? ?
??-?????????
L697[14:46:08] <nikzer> ???????
L698[14:47:31] <Kalpa> I agree.
L699[14:47:49] <Gasher[home]> ?
L700[14:48:09] <kevlarballoons> is there a
way to get a rendezvous in one orbit?
L701[14:48:12] <kevlarballoons> when do
you launch?
L702[14:48:25] <Mat2ch> Gasher[home]: that
wasn't meant seriously, because most of us don't understand Russian
:)
L703[14:48:44] <Mat2ch> kevlarballoons: is
it a equatorial orbit?
L704[14:48:49] <Mat2ch> *an
L705[14:48:57] <Gasher[home]>
kevlarballoons, hmm, i think it is possible - you should launch
when the target is right above you i think (or maybe on the
horizon, rising)
L706[14:49:02] <kevlarballoons> yea
L707[14:49:12] <kevlarballoons> if you
launch when it's above you you'll miss
L708[14:49:18] <kevlarballoons> it'll be
ahead
L709[14:49:23] <Gasher[home]> hm
L710[14:49:24] <Mat2ch> yes, it's faster
than you
L711[14:49:38] <Mat2ch> I think a quarter
rotation before you could work
L712[14:49:38] <Gasher[home]> ok, then try
when it is just showing up on horizon
L713[14:49:46] <Gasher[home]> yeah,
experiment
L714[14:50:11] <Gasher[home]> there should
be rule of thumb, but maybe it will be you who will figure taht
out
L715[14:52:04] <kevlarballoons> well i
missed
L716[14:52:09] <kevlarballoons> so now i
have to get over to my station
L717[14:53:16] <Gasher[home]>
kevlarballoons, i'd suggest to get the station to a higher orbit
:)
L718[14:54:54] <kevlarballoons> my station
is at 400k
L719[14:55:05] <kevlarballoons> i'm
rendezvousing with a kerbal
L720[14:55:45] <kevlarballoons> lol i just
realized docking is gonna be hard
L721[14:55:56] <kevlarballoons> i put my
rcs for just a capsule
L722[14:56:06] <Gasher[home]> switch to
kerbal and control him/her?
L723[14:56:11] <Gasher[home]> [ ] for
that
L724[14:56:15] <kevlarballoons> talking
about the station
L725[14:56:21] <kevlarballoons> i know
about the kerbal
L726[14:56:29] <kevlarballoons> im getting
2 kerbals
L727[14:56:32] <kevlarballoons> but one is
at the mun
L728[14:56:38] <Gasher[home]> heh
L729[14:56:53] <kevlarballoons> so i gotta
fuel up 1st
L730[14:57:05] <kevlarballoons> anyone
else listening to real music
L731[14:57:28] <kevlarballoons> africa on
mario paint composer
L732[15:00:15] <kevlarballoons> anyone
know what the specific impulse of a kerbal evapack is
L733[15:05:47] <Gasher[home]>
kevlarballoons, " have a ?v of 600 m/s RCS fuel "
L734[15:06:32] <kevlarballoons> dammit i
can't do it
L735[15:06:43] <kevlarballoons> i have to
waste yet another rocket to get the mun guy
L736[15:07:31] <Gasher[home]> "your
rescue mission now requires a rescue mission"
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L738[15:09:38] <kevlarballoons> no i can
make it back to kerbin
L739[15:09:44] <kevlarballoons> but i
couldnt dock
L740[15:10:31] <kevlarballoons> di-
L741[15:10:34] <kevlarballoons> did i not
bring a parachute
L742[15:10:38] <kevlarballoons> ok i'm
cheating
L743[15:10:50] <kevlarballoons> last
quicksave was right before re-entry so
L744[15:13:16] <kevlarballoons> and i cant
revert
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L747[15:19:21] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: Would it not be easier to simply start in
orbit?
L749[15:21:19] <Scolar_Visari> In Summary:
Sunlight? We don't need no stinking Sunlight!
L750[15:23:35] <Scolar_Visari> From the
article: "Our model for Europa can provide more energy than
necessary to sustain the modeled microbial life even only by the
gamma decay of 40K, since its abundance can be 10 times (or more)
greater than that found in Earth’s oceans. This result makes Europa
a propitious place for the development of an ecosystem that
sustains forms of life such as the sulfate-reducing bacteria
Candidatus Desulforudis audaxvi
L751[15:24:07] <Scolar_Visari> In the grim
darkness of Europa's seas, there is only gamma decay.
L752[15:28:13] *
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today.
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L755[15:30:30] <kmath> Scolar_Visari: I'll
let UmbralRaptor know when I see them
L756[15:32:51] <Scolar_Visari> Hrm, then
again, the paper describing porousity also has it persisting on
Enceladus for billions of years.
L757[15:33:04] <UmbralRaptor> blink
L758[15:34:17] <Iskierka> so that's just a
paper on energy and doesn't address nutrient distribution,
yes?
L759[15:35:02] <Scolar_Visari> Iskierka:
Er, nutrient creation is the whole paper.
L760[15:36:44] <Scolar_Visari> Sulfates
being used on Earth for chemosynthesis, and the paper discusses how
they can be created within Europa's interior.
L761[15:36:57] <UmbralRaptor> Ah, liquid
water layer, not porous.
L763[15:38:36] <Iskierka> need erosion
mechanisms
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L766[15:40:33] <Scolar_Visari> Iskierka:
I'm not entirely sure that actually has any relevance for Europan
worlds, as the authors of the linked paper seem to be clearly
focused on water worlds within the habitable zone.
L767[15:42:42] <Iskierka> the problems
they encounter would still be relevant, as life certainly would
still need factors like nutrient availability. I asked that before
checking the newer article, though, was just raising the question
of whether it's fully considered
L768[15:44:41] <Scolar_Visari> The
evolution of Europa would be a lot different, and it's also
possible that radiolysis may be sufficient as was mentioned for the
prototypical Earth ecosystem.
L769[15:46:58] <Scolar_Visari> "Other
work concludes that a planet swamped in even deeper water would be
geologically dead, lacking any of the planetary processes that
nurture life on Earth." would not be quite relevant to Europa,
either.
L770[15:48:02] <Iskierka> When I first
found this article via an author of one of the papers I did ask her
about that and she did explain that it's not comparable there, yes,
hence that's not the point I raised
L771[15:51:31] <Iskierka> Linked it to her
'cause I'm curious what her reaction is
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L773[15:52:03] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
L774[15:54:19] <ryan2390> Evening
Supernovy
L775[15:54:22] <Scolar_Visari> Was this
simply at a conference? Because I'm not finding an actual paper on
the particular subject as it pertains to ocean exoplanets. That
would be irritating, too, since it's now thought ocean worlds
dominate the habitable zone.
L776[15:54:52] <ryan2390>
Ohhhhh.....Bother! Hit the abort button and sent my capsule flying
off. Rescue mission!
L777[15:55:24] <Iskierka> These papers
came from a Habitable Worlds thing a few months ago; most weren't
formally published at that time, not sure if her paper in
particular has published yet (though likely will). Didn't find it
in a cursory search of her twitter
L779[15:56:58] <Iskierka> Yeah, that's the
one where I know one of the authors. T.M.Fisher in particular
L780[15:58:08] *
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phosphourous conservation
L781[15:59:09] <Iskierka> granted, yeah,
it's conclusion isn't *necessarily* that life is impossible, just
that life with signatures we'd recognise is likely impossible.
Further qualifications depend on the viabilities of alternate
lifes
L782[15:59:33] <icefire> can only
speculate with a sample size of 1
L783[15:59:47] <Iskierka> "I recall
my Master's adviser discussing similar ideas years ago"
L784[15:59:48] <Iskierka> "they just
did a better job of much better job of quantifying it then he did,
though"
L785[16:00:12] <Scolar_Visari> Amusingly,
I found an article referencing the article dishonestly titled:
"Planets-oceans are not suitable for the search for
life".
L786[16:00:50] <Iskierka> swap the
hyphenation around and fix the pluralisation and it's almost what
was intended
L787[16:01:01] <Iskierka> oceans are still
very good for life searching. Oceans, *plural*
L788[16:02:24] <Scolar_Visari> That'd
still be incorrect, the authors noting, " these preliminary
results suggest it might be difficult or impossible to detect an
aqua planet biosphere from Earth at our current level of
technology."
L789[16:03:20] <Scolar_Visari> Then again,
I don't think earth-chronicles.com is a bastion of reputable
journalism given that they have a supernatural news tab.
L790[16:03:52] <Iskierka> Well, the point
I meant was more if a planet has *multiple* oceans, and therefore
isn't one of these aqua planets as it has land, it's still a good
target. It doesn't fill the criteria the paper studied and will
have high phosphorus availability, and therefore can show the
biosignature compounds we'd likely look for
L791[16:04:25] <Iskierka> so
"Planets-oceans" or "Planet-oceans" are wrong,
but "Ocean-planets" is closeish to the conclusion
L792[16:05:21] <Scolar_Visari> Heh, but
what if they aren't DNA based!?
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L794[16:06:04] <Iskierka> well that's
probably what citation [3] is for, needed for more than just
DNA
L795[16:06:13] <Iskierka> (I presume,
haven't read it yet)
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L797[16:06:57] <Scolar_Visari> There's
actually some work that has arsenic as a substitute for phosphates
in DNA.
L798[16:07:43] <Iskierka> Would arsenic be
non-toxic to such life?
L799[16:08:09] <UmbralRaptor> Wait, the
substitution worked?
L800[16:08:32] <UmbralRaptor> I thought
that study had, uh, issues.
L801[16:10:00] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: Before there was a false confirmation of arsenic
using bacteria, there was a paper discussing the *potential* for
arsenic in primitive organisms. Made all the more amusing because
the same authors wrote both!
L803[16:11:30] <UmbralRaptor> ah
L804[16:16:05] <Scolar_Visari> Clearly
this means we need to start an abiogenesis simulator.
L805[16:16:21] <Iskierka> didn't they
already do that and everyone was terrified of the apparatus?
L806[16:16:38] <Iskierka> (or at least
early-stages simulator that produced amino acids)
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L808[16:16:59] <Scolar_Visari> Psht, amino
acids probably come from space.
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L810[16:17:39] <Iskierka> I mean, we now
know, probably true. But IIRC that experiment did successfully
produce amino acids from just pressure, heat, lightning, and a load
of goop that lacked amino acids
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L812[16:18:13] <Guest32396> anyone know if
there is a proper fix for Mac OSX High Sierra?
L813[16:18:59] <Scolar_Visari> I don't
think it's just *one* experiment. There was a least one that did
make amino acids in a simulated deep space environment.
L814[16:20:01] <Iskierka> possibly there
have been successful reproductions since. I'm thinking of probably
the earliest, like 50s-60s, when safety standards didn't
particularly exist to complain about the crazy apparatus with
pressurised lightning in a jar
L815[16:20:42] <Scolar_Visari> Yeah, the
Miller–Urey experiment. That's an old one.
L816[16:20:46] <UmbralRaptor> I suggest
consulting a demonologist? (10.13 broke lots of things, eg:
astroimageJ)
L818[16:21:09] <UmbralRaptor> ^amino acids
can be delivered via comets
L819[16:21:09] <Scolar_Visari> And we know
c-type asteroids can contain amino acids.
L820[16:21:30] <Scolar_Visari> Asteroids
> comets.
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L822[16:24:05] <Scolar_Visari> In fact,
the best evidence for amino acids in meteors comes from a meteorite
that was observed during reentry!
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L825[16:26:08] <UmbralRaptor> (I'm afraid
that I'm unfamiliar with KSP issues on OSX, since I only use that
for work computers >_>)
L826[16:27:44] <Scolar_Visari> Clearly we
should start elevating meteors into the position of creator
deities.
L827[16:28:32] <UmbralRaptor> And
destroyers,
L828[16:29:06] <UmbralRaptor> Statue of
Shiva made from meteoric iron?
L829[16:29:17] <Scolar_Visari> Benevolent
destroyers! The asteroids cleansed this world of the
unworthy!
L830[16:29:32] <Scolar_Visari> This is
actually a smashing idea for a religion.
L831[16:30:10] <Scolar_Visari> Jupiter
perturbed asteroids towards Earth to test the worthiness of its
denizens. Only those intelligent enough to deflect the heralds of
extinction are fit to rule.
L832[16:30:39] <Scolar_Visari> Asteroids
brought life to our homeworld, but they may also bring death. Such
is the way of the universe.
L833[16:31:13] <Scolar_Visari> Unless
aliens transferred life to Earth, than we need to engage in
Prothean worship.
L834[16:32:13] <Scolar_Visari> Sigh . . .
Workshop is still borked.
L835[16:32:36] <UmbralRaptor> Aliens
complicate so many things…
L836[16:33:46] *
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should include habitat construction unlocked from the
start.
L837[16:34:15] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: I wanna see more papers on deep space
abiogenesis.
L838[16:35:14] *
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L840[16:36:57] <Scolar_Visari> The
previously mentioned NASA work on organic molecule replication in
deep space environment simulations produced very complex compounds
at that.
L842[16:39:19] <Scolar_Visari> Building a
time machine would also help.
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L846[16:41:20] <Scolar_Visari> Or if we
could only send a level 3 scientist to complete the Special
Project.
L847[16:45:21] <Fluburtur> what if there
is an observation outpost hidden above our planet
L848[16:45:47] <Fluburtur> belonging to a
big faction at war with the rest of the galaxy
L849[16:45:55] <Scolar_Visari> Fluburtur:
They must not have set it to unrestricted activities, then.
L850[16:46:05] <Scolar_Visari> Or
enlightenment allowed
L851[16:46:05] <Fluburtur> yeah
L852[16:46:31] <Fluburtur> send some weird
signal sometimes to watch us go crazy
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L854[16:50:11] <Iskierka> unless they're
authoritarian militarists and set covert influencing allowed
L855[16:50:54] <Fluburtur> reptilians do
exist then!
L856[16:56:44] <Draconiator> heh.
L857[16:57:24] *
Scolar_Visari ponders the phosphorus content in Europa's icy
shell.
L858[16:58:33] <Draconiator>
"Commander Hischialkl, those apes down there are so
underdeveloped....We have command of wormholes...they have command
of arseholes."
L859[17:13:54] <Fluburtur> I often play
avians so in my last game I named the leader role "master
pecker"
L860[17:14:58] <Scolar_Visari> Morais',
"A Possible Europa Exobiology" from Lunar and Planetary
Science 2004 notes phosphorus salts could be observed on Europa's
surface.
L861[17:18:55] <Fluburtur> mhhh
L862[17:19:18] <Fluburtur> since I will
get a 3d printer that means I will be able to make super accurate
nozzle molds for my candy rockets
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L864[17:26:29] <Scolar_Visari> Wait,
edible rockets?
L865[17:26:33] <Scolar_Visari> Are they
filled with diet soda?
L866[17:27:02] <Fluburtur> caramel
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L870[17:33:22] <Dabeer> so, two things, if
anyone remembers me from two nights ago: a) there must have been
some clipping, because when I rebuilt the vessel from scratch, the
decoupler force was applied correctly and nothing shot off like a
bullet even at 100%, and b) that whole vehicle shake still
happens
L871[17:34:32] <Dabeer> new question: does
anyone have a resource that would tell me either the mean anomaly
or the longitude of periapsis (or both) for Kerbin (in its orbit
around Kerbol) at any given time, or at least at T=0?
L872[17:36:09] <lordcirth> Dabeer, I think
kOS lets you query that sort of info
L873[17:36:42] <lordcirth> Not sure about
at different times, but longitude of periapsis doesn't move
L874[17:37:40] <Scolar_Visari> Gah!
Workshop is still borked!
L875[17:38:24] <Scolar_Visari> Wait, now
it works!
L876[17:38:26] <UmbralRaptor> I think the
KSP wiki has both?
L877[17:38:42] <UmbralRaptor> (for T=0 in
the case of mean anomaly)
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L880[17:40:57] <Dabeer> lordcirth glad to
hear LP doesn't move... guess I need to get kOS
L881[17:42:01] <Scolar_Visari> Hrm, I may
be able to get this done tonight now.
L882[17:44:29] <UmbralRaptor> Longitude of
periapsis should only move if you've installed Principia or
something.
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L885[17:47:35] <Dabeer> umbraraptor good
catch, I missed it, thanks
L886[17:53:12] <Scolar_Visari> Not to be
confused with UmbralRaptor, or their third cousin UmrageRaptor. The
latter might take offense to that.
L887[17:53:34] <Dabeer> lol my bad
L888[17:53:45] *
UmbralRaptor takes umbrage at the typo.
L889[17:54:14] <UmbralRaptor> More
seriously, lots of irc clients let you tab-complete nicks. Try
it!
L890[17:54:42] <Dabeer> yeah it's been
years since I was a hardcore irc user, and am only lately getting
back into it - not used to all the cool tricks clients offer
now
L891[17:55:06] <UmbralRaptor> ah, fair
enough.
L892[17:55:21] <Dabeer> hell I even got
yelled at the other day for using the @ sign to let people know I
was talking to them
L893[17:55:35] <Dabeer> apparently not all
servers used that convention, but the one I was on did
L894[17:56:06] <UmbralRaptor> o_O
L895[17:56:38] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: My client is a couple of cups attached to some
string, so that functionality is nonexistent.
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L898[17:59:25] <Scolar_Visari> I may be
able to test this now.
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L900[18:00:11] <Scolar_Visari> Let's see
if Stellaris crashes.
L901[18:01:16] <TheKosmonaut>
Scolar_Visari: the only reason I got stellaris was for the Star
trek mod. And it crashed my game constantly :/
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L903[18:04:34] <Scolar_Visari> Kosmonaut:
The only time I've had Stellaris crash is if I had a bad mod during
the startup.
L905[18:09:18] <RandomJeb> which outer
planet were you aiming for?
L906[18:13:16] <Scolar_Visari> I was
aiming for Earth's Moon . . .
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L908[18:13:49] <Scolar_Visari> I'm modding
it so one can have the option of starting with a habitat around
Earth or its Moon (not being sure if Stellaris permits moons around
moons).
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L913[18:20:01] <Iskierka> I've
occasionally managed to crash with some intensive
half-total-conversion mods like some that added star wars ships as
custom classes
L914[18:20:14] <Iskierka> it could get
confused with fallen empires that can technically access all
techs
L915[18:20:30] <Iskierka> (and any
captured empires that are liberated from awakened empires)
L916[18:20:44] <Iskierka> but for the most
part it's only ever been laggy
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L919[18:33:30] <Scolar_Visari> Iskierka:
Psht, 2.0's research_technologies console command is itself buggy
at the moment.
L920[18:33:58] <Scolar_Visari> For
instance: I cannot access wormholes upon activating it despite
having the relevant tech.
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L923[18:36:17] <Scolar_Visari> Hrm, still
spawning where Triton is.
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L925[18:40:26] <TheKosmonaut> What do you
mean star trek, Star Wars, KSP, warhammer 40k, and battlestar
galactica mods all together make Stellaris crash?
L926[18:40:35] <TheKosmonaut> This is an
outrage
L928[18:42:17] <kmath> YouTube - WATCH
LIVE: SpaceX to Launch Falcon 9 Rocket #PAZmission @9:17am
EST
L929[18:42:27] <Draconiator> They
apparently bumped it back
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L931[18:43:58] <Scolar_Visari> Kosmonaut:
The Imperium cannot suffer the Orks, the Cylons and the Federation
to live.
L932[18:46:10] <Draconiator> Oh wait that
was this morning.
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L955[21:36:00] <kmath> YouTube - 8-Bit
Kerbal Space Program - NES Gameplay
L956[21:37:50] <ve2dmn> There is a KSP mod
for Stellaris?
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L958[21:40:56] <TheKosmonaut> ve2dmn: yes.
Adds kerbals as a race
L959[21:40:58] <TheKosmonaut> Iirc
L960[21:41:10] <TheKosmonaut> Dunno if
they have KSP themed ships. That'd be kinda fun.
L961[21:41:49] <TheKosmonaut> Imagine a
KSP type editor for Stellaris ships
L962[21:41:51] *
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L963[21:42:07] <TheKosmonaut> Ksp editors
for large scale space ships in general
L964[21:52:39] <Draconiator>
hmmm....experimenting with having no gravity on Kerbin via Hack
gravity...planes don't really handle any different at speed. It's
when you slow down that's...weird.
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