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Railcraft/Railcraft#209 (mc-1.12.2 - d403749 : CovertJaguar): The
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L18[14:20:50] 

<madman> Is it even worth making
then??
 
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<KillTyrant> Company I work for just
got bought out..
 
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<Instinx> Is that a good thing or a
bad thing?
 
L23[16:24:23] 

<Forecaster> @madman the tunnel bore
is meant for making tunnels and laying tracks...
 
L24[16:24:33] 

<Forecaster> if you want to try to use
it to mine knock yourself out
 
L25[16:24:38] 

<Forecaster> but that's not what
it's best at
 
L26[16:25:21] 

<madman> i might use rail craft as a
long range backpack lol
 
L27[16:26:10] 

<Forecaster> Railcraft is one word
:P
 
L28[16:26:51] 

<madman> so just woken up not long ago
and have not had a coffie in a can
 
L29[16:27:07] 

<Project> :thinknando: is it
tho?
 
L30[16:27:33] 

<madman> its what the auther wants its
what the auther gets
 
L31[16:27:46] 

<Project> Touche
 
L32[16:27:48] 

<Forecaster> it's right there in
the server name, so I'm pretty sure :P
 
L33[16:28:16] 

<Forecaster> though I suppose I could
have written that that way to throw everyone off
 
L34[16:28:17] 

<Forecaster> :P
 
L35[16:28:20] 

<Project> Is that like 100%
 
L36[16:28:29] 

<Project> :hmm1:
 
L37[16:29:41] 

<CovertJaguar> what worse is that
despite my best efforts to change it.... it _still_
"BuildCraft", not "Buildcraft"
 
L38[16:29:58] 

<CovertJaguar> what worse is that
despite my best efforts to change it.... its _still_
"BuildCraft", not "Buildcraft" [Edited]
 
L39[16:30:30] 

<madman> All hail god of trains
 
L40[16:34:47] 

<madman> I have tried allot of the
other mods ir takes up to much room railcraft is perfect
 
L41[17:29:37] 

<AlexIIL> hmm maybe I'm not
helping as I prefer BuildCraft over Buildcraft :p
 
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L43[17:56:03] 

<Natesky9> MineCraft
 
L44[17:56:21] 

<Natesky9> Change my mind
 
L45[17:56:54] 

<Chocohead> It's IndustrialCraft
2 as well
 
L46[17:57:30] 

<Chocohead> Unless it's
IndustrialCraft², though that's more legacy now
 
L47[17:59:17] 

<Natesky9> Gregtech should just rename
itself IndustrialCraft 3, just to flex on Player
 
L48[18:00:35] 

<Natesky9> Also, is there cable loss
now? I thought I saw something about that earlier
 
L49[18:08:39] 

<Chocohead> There has been since
1.9
 
L50[18:09:26] 

<Natesky9> I'm not much of a fan
of cable loss, unless it's represented better than just a
number you can't see
 
L51[18:09:41] 

<Natesky9> But that could just be
me
 
L52[18:13:36] 

<Chocohead> Like a number you can work
out ?
 
L53[18:14:13] 

<coderbot> I honestly think the cable
loss is a good mechanic because it gives another dimension to
different cable types than "moar powers"
 
L54[18:19:38] 

<liach>
Cable loss requires you to send eu in larger packets under higher
voltage to reduce loss, which is good
 
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L56[19:53:01] 

<CovertJaguar> without cable loss you
have no incentive to use transformers for longer distances
 
L57[19:53:41] 

<CovertJaguar> I admit I never
understood why it is IndustrialCraft 2 exp instead of
IndustrialCraft 3
 
L58[20:02:15] 

<Trinsdar> yah the real ic2 is ic2
classic
 
L59[20:08:31] 

<Chocohead> Neither are like the
original IC2
 
L60[20:08:49] 

<Chocohead> Which is probably why they
both have their own qualifiers
 
L61[20:09:50] 

<liach>
ic2 classic is in no way like the ic2 in 1.4.7
 
L62[20:10:34] 

<coderbot> i mean, most of ic2 classic
is literally a direct port of 1.4.7
 
L63[20:11:34] 

<coderbot> there's also a lot of
stuff the dev added in 1.10 but a lot of it is orthogonal from the
core of the mod
 
L64[20:11:53] 

<coderbot> like upgrades to move items
around
 
L65[20:12:00] 

<liach>
unfortunately speiger isn't here
 
L66[20:12:10] 

<liach>
he could have explained this question
 
L67[20:16:33] 

<KillTyrant> Idk why Greg tech got
such a bad rap. I rather enjoyed the harder grind. Also was awesome
to pair that mod with RC... mmmmm all dem fluid trains
 
L68[20:17:05] 

<coderbot> people don't like it
when the mods take a lot of effort
 
L69[20:17:51] 

<coderbot> I mean look at the current
state of modpacks, the most popular packs are ones like Stoneblock
who's entire goal is to make everything as op as
possible
 
L70[20:17:54] 

<KillTyrant> Speaks volumes of this
generation *old man rumblings*
 
L71[20:18:21] 

<liach>
gt is a fine mod
 
L72[20:18:39] 

<coderbot> of course GT5/6 get a bit
insane with the TFC-esque start
 
L73[20:18:49] 

<coderbot> but the progression is
rewarding
 
L74[20:18:56] 

<KillTyrant> Haha I didnt get a chance
to experience that
 
L75[20:19:05] 

<liach>
except that when your chest is blown up by a creeper, you cannot
log into that save again because of too many drops
 
L76[20:19:09] 

<KillTyrant> TFC meaning
terrafirma?
 
L77[20:19:15] 

<liach>
yeah. terrafirmacraft
 
L78[20:19:18] 

<coderbot> yeah
 
L79[20:19:35] 

<liach>
probably the hardest minecraft mod
 
L80[20:19:47] 

<coderbot> I played gtnh for a few
weeks before deciding it wasn't my kind of pack, it's
just too much time for me
 
L81[20:19:50] 

<KillTyrant> Yeah but dear God did I
have so much fun
 
L82[20:20:26] 

<coderbot> of course I say that then I
spend 6 months making my own modpack ?
 
L83[20:20:53] 

<KillTyrant> Oooh? What's the
theme?
 
L84[20:21:37] 

<KillTyrant> The thing I loved alot
with TFC was the food system
 
L85[20:21:44] 

<KillTyrant> And the farming
 
L86[20:21:59] 

<coderbot> it's basically a
remake of mindcrac k 1.4.7
 
L87[20:22:00] 

<KillTyrant> I enjoyed that alot more
than I thought I would
 
L88[20:22:08] 

<coderbot> it's basically a
remake of mindcrack 1.4.7 [Edited]
 
L89[20:22:11] 

<KillTyrant> Never played sadly
 
L90[20:22:57] 

<coderbot> it was a pretty great pack,
had its own share of flaws but I felt that GT2 really was the
greatest middle ground of gregtech
 
L91[20:23:19] 

<KillTyrant> Think that's the
version I played
 
L92[20:23:29] 

<coderbot> GT2 was grindy but it
didn't really kick in until the mid/late game
 
L93[20:23:32] 

<KillTyrant> That was before GT and
ic2 had that weird baby
 
L94[20:23:36] 

<coderbot> yeah
 
L95[20:24:04] 

<coderbot> so basically the grind was
"optional" because you always could just stick with the
midgame stuff (TE/IC2)
 
L96[20:24:23] 

<coderbot> IC2E places it right at the
start though which I highly dislike
 
L97[20:25:31] 

<KillTyrant> Yeahhh. I used to start
with ic2 as my go to
 
L98[20:25:53] 

<KillTyrant> After ic2e basically made
me use thermal expansion
 
L99[20:26:02] 

<KillTyrant> A mod I had little
interest in at the time
 
L100[20:26:07] 

<coderbot> it's funny because in
1.4.7 the only reason people started with thermal was because the
macerator required diamonds
 
L101[20:26:16] 

<KillTyrant> ^^^
 
L102[20:26:19] 

<coderbot> everything else in ic2 was
cheap
 
L103[20:26:28] 

<coderbot> cheaper than thermal as a
matter of fact
 
L104[20:26:50] 

<KillTyrant> Was it called TE at the
time?
 
L105[20:27:01] 

<coderbot> yeah, TE was actually the
only "one" of the mods
 
L106[20:27:02] 

<KillTyrant> Why am I remember it
having a different name for a short bit
 
L107[20:27:24] 

<coderbot> used to be only thermal
expansion / cofh core before splitting off into 6 mods
 
L108[20:28:39] 

<KillTyrant> Btw, is there a version
of minecraft made in C+? I thought I heard something along those
lines
 
L109[20:28:59] 

<coderbot> I mean bedrock edition is
probably what you're talking about
 
L110[20:29:19] 

<coderbot> of course there's like
100 C++ "minecraft" clones as well
 
L111[20:29:36] 

<KillTyrant> I mean an official
minecraft not on java
 
L112[20:29:41] 

<KillTyrant> XD
 
L113[20:29:58] 

<KillTyrant> Dear God the amount of MC
clones from the hayday
 
L114[20:30:07] 

<coderbot> yeah lol
 
L115[20:31:12] 

<KillTyrant> I'm glad there at
least some multithreading functionality
 
L116[20:32:15] 

<coderbot> yeah, but at its core
minecraft's engine is pretty bad at multithreading
 
L117[20:32:23] 

<coderbot> always funny when people
buy 8 core servers for minecraft
 
L118[20:34:44] 

<Chocohead> World saving scales to
some extent at least
 
L119[20:35:10] 

<Chocohead> So if you dragged your
server map out more cores should theoretically speed up
saving
 
L120[20:35:33] 

<coderbot> but that's still
bounded by disk IO in most cases, unless you have an SSD
 
L121[20:36:37] 

<KillTyrant> Issues I think resolved
by the bedrock version, right?
 
L122[20:37:15] 

<coderbot> well I mean you can't
just ignore disk access speeds
 
L123[20:37:25] 

<coderbot> maybe they can migitate it
somehow, idk
 
L124[20:37:48] 

<KillTyrant> Meant the bad
engine
 
L125[20:38:15] 

<KillTyrant> Read wrote speeds are
mostly hardware bound
 
L126[20:38:23] 

<KillTyrant> Write*
 
L127[20:39:13] 

<coderbot> yeah, but if you have an
hdd the hardware is slooooow
 
L128[20:41:31] 

<KillTyrant> Oh yeah for sure. I
suppose the basis if my question is why aren't people
migrating to the better* engine?
 
L129[20:42:58] 

<coderbot> one of the reasons being
you can't mod it
 
L130[20:43:05] 

<coderbot> others being that it
doesn't actually run on mac or linux
 
L131[20:43:25] 

<coderbot> and that second one is
kinda a big deal for people like me who run linux exclusively
 
L132[20:44:55] 

<KillTyrant> It came be nodded? That
sucks
 
L133[20:44:59] 

<KillTyrant> Modded**
 
L134[20:45:13] 

<KillTyrant> Phone auto correcting
sucks haha
 
L135[20:45:33] 

<KillTyrant> It cant be nodded? That
sucks [Edited]
 
L136[20:45:56] 

<coderbot> actually it can, but you
have to write the mods in javascript
 
L137[20:46:08] 

<coderbot> and the API isn't that
great if you're comparing it to Forge
 
L138[20:46:24] 

<coderbot> there's also a pretty
severe block ID limit last I heard
 
L139[20:46:28] 

<coderbot> 256 ids
 
L140[21:41:52] 

<KillTyrant> back
 
L141[21:42:06] 

<KillTyrant> that is really limited.
ooof
 
L142[21:42:17] 

<KillTyrant> i remember when MC had a
similar limit back in the day
 
L143[21:43:01] 

<KillTyrant> than some coding sorcery
happened and suddenly you can have damn well near infinite
items
 
L144[21:43:09] 

<KillTyrant> different items
 
L145[21:53:50] 

<coderbot> before vanilla extended the
limit forge used to have patches to bump it up from 256 to
4096
 
L146[22:00:49] 

<KillTyrant> indeed, then i think MC
changed how items are handled or whatever
 
L147[22:01:28] 

<coderbot> yup
 
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