L1[00:12:09] <KillTyrant> Haha guess you've been strictly in Florida only?

L2[00:31:03] <Natesky9> mostly, yes

L3[00:31:21] <Natesky9> also, how come my color was orange, did roles get color changed again?

L4[00:33:55] <liach> Yea, because the rail baron and i like trains role have too similar colors

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L10[00:47:03] <KillTyrant> Oh mang, ya gotta put aside some time to travel

L11[00:48:14] <KillTyrant> https://m.amtrak.com/h5/r/www.amtrak.com/rail-passes

L12[00:48:38] <KillTyrant> Keeping true to this forum, I linked amtrak specials

L13[00:50:12] <Natesky9> I think if I'm going cross country, I'm gonna drive it

L14[00:51:14] <KillTyrant> Done it 3 times now

L15[00:51:43] <KillTyrant> Though if I go again. I'm gonna take a train for that new experience

L16[00:52:22] <KillTyrant> It's a big and gorgeous country out there.

L17[00:52:42] <KillTyrant> Lots of wheat and corn haha

L18[00:53:45] <CovertJaguar> did someone mention snow? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rDjPLvOShM

L19[00:57:18] <KillTyrant> @CovertJaguar

L20[00:57:18] <KillTyrant> They need to install more booster tracks. Takes too long to accelerate

L21[00:57:23] <liach> trains in the usa are poor

L22[00:57:45] <Natesky9> yeah, trains in the us are weaksauce

L23[00:58:03] <Natesky9> the rest of the world is way cooler

L24[01:02:16] <KillTyrant> Lol it's because the USA is sparsely populated thru most of the country

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L30[01:08:10] <KillTyrant> Among other issues. Like 38% of freight is shipped by rail and is usually given priority over passenger trains

L31[01:08:52] <KillTyrant> Amtrak owns almost none of the rail it operates on so its unreliable

L32[01:10:32] <bball.psd> map of train routes that might actually get some use, coast-to-coast is far so people will fly instead, and much of the northeast section would be unusable in winter so how good is it for me to even include on this map? http://tinyurl.com/y9kem3cb

L33[01:11:20] <bball.psd> i should specify passenger use

L34[01:12:18] <KillTyrant> Indeed. Along the coasts are decently populated cities in fairly strait lines

L35[01:12:23] <KillTyrant> Perfect for trains

L36[01:12:40] <KillTyrant> And yet it's more expensive and takes longer than European counterparts

L37[01:13:24] <KillTyrant> Aging rails and little incentive to upgrade

L38[01:13:35] <KillTyrant> It's a sad sight really

L39[01:13:54] <KillTyrant> For instance

L40[01:14:24] <KillTyrant> Taking a train from penn station NYC to penn station Baltimore (I do this once a month)

L41[01:14:36] <KillTyrant> Is only 20nto 30 min faster than driving

L42[01:14:54] <KillTyrant> Mind you its ALOT cheaper due to tolls

L43[01:15:04] <KillTyrant> But time saved is minimal

L44[01:18:03] <KillTyrant> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/rihebezosi

L47[01:37:46] <KillTyrant> Btw on a more mod related note. Have you guys considered something like the pioneer zephyr for passenger only transport?

L48[01:40:10] <CovertJaguar> they've been upgrading the northwest line in recent years to handle faster trains, at least in some places

L49[01:41:18] <liach> railroads in the us are featured with a ton of grade crossings and curves with small radius, which are leftovers from over one century ago

L50[01:41:55] <liach> modern times high speed rail usually have a turn radius about 1 mile at most

L51[01:42:06] <liach> on a side note, brightline is not a high speed rail

L52[01:45:31] <KillTyrant> @liach

L53[01:45:32] <KillTyrant> It can reach 185 but I think due to local regulations, they aren't allowed to exceed 80 or something to that effect

L54[01:46:23] <liach> 185mph?

L55[01:46:33] <liach> or 185km/h

L56[01:46:34] <KillTyrant> @CovertJaguar

L57[01:46:35] <KillTyrant> I've noticed some parts of my trip between NYC and Baltimore reach around 120 (GPS numbers) but it's usually 50 to 60 most of the trip sadly

L58[01:46:51] <KillTyrant> Mph

L59[01:46:58] <liach> US rails are in general in good conditions for higher speed like 100mph

L60[01:47:05] <liach> but the issue is curves

L61[01:47:23] <liach> @KillTyrant

L62[01:47:44] <liach> have you noticed if the rail you use on your trip is electrified?

L63[01:48:08] <KillTyrant> Sounds like a diesel train

L64[01:48:51] <KillTyrant> Good portion of the track does have the overhead wires for electric tho

L65[01:53:47] <liach> in southern california only the light rail and subways are electrified

L66[01:54:13] <liach> up and bnsf tracks aren't electrified at all; some tracks still have wooden ties while newer ones have stone ties

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L72[03:01:40] <KillTyrant> within the last decade, NYC metro and LIRR started upgrading sections with stone ties

L73[03:02:09] <KillTyrant> I know the LIRR has third rails

L74[03:02:10] <liach> what is lirr?

L75[03:02:18] <KillTyrant> Long Island Rail Road

L76[03:02:22] <liach> ah

L77[03:02:29] <KillTyrant> two separate entities in the area

L78[03:02:45] <KillTyrant> LIRR is mostly the island

L79[03:02:57] <KillTyrant> but has a major HUB at Penn station

L80[03:03:07] <KillTyrant> which you can connect to the metro or amtrak

L81[03:04:13] <KillTyrant> finally just got home.

L82[03:04:21] <KillTyrant> brb. gonna shower

L83[03:13:12] <liach> brb

L84[03:43:14] <KillTyrant> i vaguely remember their being a ratio for a large HP boiler and turbines. is it 1 LHPB for 2 Turbines?

L85[03:48:11] <Forecaster> %calc

L86[03:48:29] <Forecaster> !calc

L87[03:48:30] <GearBot> http://calculator.towerofawesome.org

L88[03:50:13] <KillTyrant> Thanks mate

L89[03:51:04] <KillTyrant> btw totally love the 90s feel

L90[03:51:07] <KillTyrant> of that page

L91[03:51:33] <Forecaster> it was one of my first projects :P

L92[03:55:17] <KillTyrant> haha its much appreciated

L95[07:28:04] <Vectrobe (Paul17041993)> the one problem I have with sydney's trains is they're not allowed to go fast enough

L96[07:28:36] <Vectrobe (Paul17041993)> and you can really tell when they actually hit 130km/h

L97[07:29:04] <Vectrobe (Paul17041993)> but they can only do that outside the city atm...

L100[09:57:21] <Natesky9> Hyperloop when

L101[09:58:01] <Natesky9> Also, I've been thinking, ever since I got my Prius

L102[09:58:31] <Natesky9> Regenerative braking is truly the way of the future

L103[09:59:20] <Natesky9> Imagine if we actually had that technology in heavy vehicles, even trains

L104[10:01:24] <Natesky9> I don't have much hope in maglev technology, but a hybrid train is actually feasable

L105[11:04:26] <KillTyrant> Vacuum trains will never take off due to the sheer dangers posed by bringing space to ground level.

L106[11:09:28] <Naiten> Regenerative braking for trains has been around for over a century already, @Natesky9.

L107[11:10:38] <Naiten> It's just that they use it mostly for engines and power cars rather than the whole train itself.

L108[11:51:49] <Natesky9> Wait, really?

L109[11:52:22] <Natesky9> I haven't seen any instances where a train uses a hybrid braking system

L110[11:54:51] <Naiten> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_S7_and_S8_Stock#Features

L111[11:54:52] <Natesky9> Maybe I haven't looked enough

L112[11:56:04] <Natesky9> Right, I only looked at American, Asian, and Russian trains

L113[11:56:36] <Natesky9> All I found was hydraulic or pneumatic friction brakes

L114[11:56:52] <KillTyrant> Sweet! it works! http://tinyurl.com/y8eeus5o

L115[11:57:03] <Naiten> I believe most modern russian MU have it. Suburban and metro trains.

L116[11:57:17] <Naiten> Mean the electric MU

L117[12:01:02] <Naiten> Russian wikipedia article about regenerative brakes mentions ЭР2Р, ЭР2Т and all later trains but those lack english pages @Natesky9

L118[12:04:53] <KillTyrant> Does the steam condense back into water in the turbine?

L119[12:52:36] <Naiten> You talking about real life one?

L121[12:57:47] <KillTyrant> Ingame.

L122[16:21:36] <CovertJaguar> Yes

L123[16:21:47] <CovertJaguar> It's output from the bottom I believe

L124[16:22:02] <CovertJaguar> There is some loss

L125[16:26:36] <Forecaster> bottom is output yes (automatic)

L126[16:40:53] <KillTyrant> Interesting

L134[19:31:20] <CovertJaguar> Food for thought.... in the days of steam.... how did they deal with hard water in the steam locomotives? I'm sure that was a major cause of breakdowns, but I've not found much information about it

L135[19:31:59] <CovertJaguar> I know the live steam community is almost fanatical about water treatments

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L143[20:02:48] <CovertJaguar> https://www.nationalboard.org/Index.aspx?pageID=164&ID=238

L144[20:03:13] <CovertJaguar> "How to destroy a boiler, parts 1, 2, & 3"

L145[20:26:05] <KillTyrant> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/efuyiqapaf

L146[20:27:06] <KillTyrant> Still currently watching but it's probably the closest to what you are asking about

L147[20:45:56] <Naiten> They used chemical antiscale additives, CJ. The exact compound would vary from place to place and depend on the chemical composition of water in the area. Basically, at some point every major railway had a certain amount of labs which would analyse the natural water present in the area of every station and develop a specific antiscale compound exactly for that station.

L148[20:47:51] <Naiten> That was rather late invention, though. Maybe late XIX centyry or early XX.

L149[20:51:07] <Naiten> Those things are rather toxic, though (tenders used to have "poisoned, do not drink" labels on them, at least here in Russia) and at some point they switched to using condensed water.

L150[20:52:04] <Naiten> I believe it happened when diesels came into use, as diesels still comsume water for cooling the engines.

L151[20:52:56] <Naiten> That was rather late invention, though. Maybe late XIX century or early XX. [Edited]

L156[22:20:00] <KillTyrant> Can the sparks from the electrified track, set off fires?

L160[23:18:47] <liach> no

L161[23:34:31] <KillTyrant> Shame :(