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L20[07:43:10] 
<Shovinus> Railcraft does not have
Ticketer Villagers you can make does it?
<Shovinus> Railcraft does not have
Ticketer Villagers you can make does it?L21[07:43:23] <Forecaster> what would that do
<Forecaster> what would that doL22[07:44:40] <Shovinus> Basically a villager you
can create/ask to be a ticketer somehow, and like the ticket
machines provides configured tickets for a cost (optional no
cost)
<Shovinus> Basically a villager you
can create/ask to be a ticketer somehow, and like the ticket
machines provides configured tickets for a cost (optional no
cost)L23[07:44:56] <Shovinus> I.e. if you create him you
can configure ticket prices etc
<Shovinus> I.e. if you create him you
can configure ticket prices etcL24[07:45:31] <Shovinus> and someone else can come
along and buy a ticket from him, probably need a special crate to
provide him with tickets or something
<Shovinus> and someone else can come
along and buy a ticket from him, probably need a special crate to
provide him with tickets or somethingL25[07:45:51] <Shovinus> Just something I think
would be cool to have in train stations
<Shovinus> Just something I think
would be cool to have in train stationsL26[07:48:34] <Forecaster> you could ask @Hanakocz
to add that to the cosmetics addon perhaps
<Forecaster> you could ask @Hanakocz
to add that to the cosmetics addon perhapsL27[07:51:25] <Hanakocz> neat idea, and probably
workable as well (and I need to work on mod again too,), however
please elaborate a bit more
<Hanakocz> neat idea, and probably
workable as well (and I need to work on mod again too,), however
please elaborate a bit moreL28[07:51:40] <Hanakocz> what ticket, how it will be
created?
<Hanakocz> what ticket, how it will be
created?L29[07:52:18] <Hanakocz> I can just imagine that
there is already railroad and villager somehow will get some
tickets from A to B and then you can buy them?
<Hanakocz> I can just imagine that
there is already railroad and villager somehow will get some
tickets from A to B and then you can buy them?L30[07:53:34] <Hanakocz> or just cosmetic ticket
?
<Hanakocz> or just cosmetic ticket
?L31[07:54:52] <Hanakocz> If item exists already, it
is easy to do a villager shop (just nbt editing) but creating
tickets can be painful so they have some real meaning
<Hanakocz> If item exists already, it
is easy to do a villager shop (just nbt editing) but creating
tickets can be painful so they have some real meaningL32[07:55:15] <Hanakocz> @Shovinus ^
<Hanakocz> @Shovinus ^L33[07:58:47] <Kobayen> Maybe if you give bim a
golden ticket(s) they can make paper ones out oc them
automatically?
<Kobayen> Maybe if you give bim a
golden ticket(s) they can make paper ones out oc them
automatically?L34[07:59:09] <Shovinus> Yeh I don't think a
standard villager would work with this.
<Shovinus> Yeh I don't think a
standard villager would work with this.L35[08:00:46] <Shovinus> You would need a custom one
with a customer GUI for editing, provide him with the golden ticket
to create tickets, set the Tickets name and the price for the
ticket
<Shovinus> You would need a custom one
with a customer GUI for editing, provide him with the golden ticket
to create tickets, set the Tickets name and the price for the
ticketL36[08:01:21] <Shovinus> I think also standard
villager GUI for buying might not work too well either
<Shovinus> I think also standard
villager GUI for buying might not work too well eitherL37[08:01:37] <Hanakocz> so basically you want some
living ticket vendors that you *create* yourself
<Hanakocz> so basically you want some
living ticket vendors that you *create* yourselfL38[08:01:45] <Shovinus> basically yeh
<Shovinus> basically yehL39[08:01:47] <Natesky9> Custom villager trades,
easy to do
<Natesky9> Custom villager trades,
easy to doL40[08:01:54] <Natesky9> a little command block
magik
<Natesky9> a little command block
magikL41[08:02:07] <Hanakocz> why would not normal
villager gui work?
<Hanakocz> why would not normal
villager gui work?L42[08:02:20] <Shovinus> For buying it might
<Shovinus> For buying it mightL43[08:02:32] <Hanakocz> you just make trade (paper
+ payment) -> (ticket)
<Hanakocz> you just make trade (paper
+ payment) -> (ticket)L44[08:02:45] <Shovinus> doens't it require ink
too normally?
<Shovinus> doens't it require ink
too normally?L45[08:03:31] <Hanakocz> I don't know from
memory, that can be dealt with some intermediate item that you
would craft...or blank tickets or something
<Hanakocz> I don't know from
memory, that can be dealt with some intermediate item that you
would craft...or blank tickets or somethingL46[08:03:53] <Shovinus> Still the customer does not
normally provide the ticket
<Shovinus> Still the customer does not
normally provide the ticketL47[08:04:16] <Shovinus> would be nice if you could
set a target chest or make it search nearby chests for blank
tickets
<Shovinus> would be nice if you could
set a target chest or make it search nearby chests for blank
ticketsL48[08:04:26] <Shovinus> and let him restock
<Shovinus> and let him restockL49[08:04:26] <Hanakocz> then probably easiest is to
get a villager and click him with golden ticket to transform him
into this new kind...and the golden ticket you clicked him with
would create the trade
<Hanakocz> then probably easiest is to
get a villager and click him with golden ticket to transform him
into this new kind...and the golden ticket you clicked him with
would create the tradeL50[08:04:37] <Shovinus> that would be cool
<Shovinus> that would be coolL51[08:04:40] <Natesky9> You can just have payment =
ticket for ALL the tickets, and you'd flip through the
trades
<Natesky9> You can just have payment =
ticket for ALL the tickets, and you'd flip through the
tradesL52[08:05:10] <Hanakocz> that's doable, as well
as "infinite" accessibility of the trades
<Hanakocz> that's doable, as well
as "infinite" accessibility of the tradesL53[08:05:17] <Shovinus> that would be a very easy
implentation
<Shovinus> that would be a very easy
implentationL54[08:05:26] <Shovinus> admittedly that does not
generate income for you
<Shovinus> admittedly that does not
generate income for youL55[08:05:32] <Natesky9> Yeah, in fact, our Curio
vendor for Thaumcraft has custom trades
<Natesky9> Yeah, in fact, our Curio
vendor for Thaumcraft has custom tradesL56[08:05:34] <Natesky9> OH
<Natesky9> OHL57[08:05:41] <Natesky9> If you have forestry, you
can mail for tickets
<Natesky9> If you have forestry, you
can mail for ticketsL58[08:05:52] <Kobayen> Hah.
<Kobayen> Hah.L59[08:06:20] <Hanakocz> ...hmm...how it would work
with those new villagers in higher versions though? they need to
eat and who knows what else ?
<Hanakocz> ...hmm...how it would work
with those new villagers in higher versions though? they need to
eat and who knows what else ?L60[08:06:28] <Kobayen> The only issue I see is, no
profit.
<Kobayen> The only issue I see is, no
profit.L61[08:06:42] <Natesky9> Why a villager, and not
say, a machine
<Natesky9> Why a villager, and not
say, a machineL62[08:06:51] <Hanakocz> villager is more
fancy
<Hanakocz> villager is more
fancyL63[08:06:51] <Shovinus> machines are boring
<Shovinus> machines are boringL64[08:07:00] <Forecaster> Probably better to make
something custom that interacts with an inventory
<Forecaster> Probably better to make
something custom that interacts with an inventoryL65[08:07:03] <Shovinus> there is a machine for
everything in minecraft
<Shovinus> there is a machine for
everything in minecraftL66[08:07:15] <Shovinus> Want me to have a go?
<Shovinus> Want me to have a go?L67[08:07:18] <Hanakocz> also you can make a profit
other ways
<Hanakocz> also you can make a profit
other waysL68[08:07:21] <Forecaster> Computronics adds a
ticket machine
<Forecaster> Computronics adds a
ticket machineL69[08:07:32] <Kobayen> I'm all for machines
but for the sake of differences?
<Kobayen> I'm all for machines
but for the sake of differences?L70[08:07:55] <Kobayen> A machine sells only one
type of ticket.
<Kobayen> A machine sells only one
type of ticket.L71[08:08:01] <Shovinus> It is more for immersion
anyway, you could easily add both
<Shovinus> It is more for immersion
anyway, you could easily add bothL72[08:08:06] <Hanakocz> just make villager
"remember" the owner and number of sold tickets, and then
when owner interacts, villager can give him things
<Hanakocz> just make villager
"remember" the owner and number of sold tickets, and then
when owner interacts, villager can give him thingsL73[08:08:17] <Shovinus> it is not like we
don't have ticket machines IRL
<Shovinus> it is not like we
don't have ticket machines IRLL74[08:08:20] <Kobayen> A villager sells many.
<Kobayen> A villager sells many.L75[08:08:36] <Shovinus> however olden times which
is more akin to railcraft was largely people selling
<Shovinus> however olden times which
is more akin to railcraft was largely people sellingL76[08:08:58] <Shovinus> that would work
hanakocz
<Shovinus> that would work
hanakoczL77[08:08:58] <Kobayen> If villagers can only sell
one type of ticket, no machines.
<Kobayen> If villagers can only sell
one type of ticket, no machines.L78[08:09:40] <Hanakocz> I did not done a lot with
rc tickets, when you get one, can you copy it, or recreate it, even
if you don't have golden one?
<Hanakocz> I did not done a lot with
rc tickets, when you get one, can you copy it, or recreate it, even
if you don't have golden one?L79[08:10:06] <Forecaster> No
<Forecaster> NoL80[08:10:22] <Forecaster> You can only make more
tickets from golden ones
<Forecaster> You can only make more
tickets from golden onesL81[08:10:48] <Shovinus> Message contained 4 or more
newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/isisapaqev
<Shovinus> Message contained 4 or more
newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/isisapaqevL82[08:11:18] <Shovinus> e)click with another golden
ticket to set more tickets
<Shovinus> e)click with another golden
ticket to set more ticketsL83[08:11:36] <Captain
Pirate> Working on a modpack right now and I was wondering if
railcraft has carts that can go different speeds? and if the speeds
can be set up to lower the acceleration as in it takes longer to
get to max speed.
<Captain
Pirate> Working on a modpack right now and I was wondering if
railcraft has carts that can go different speeds? and if the speeds
can be set up to lower the acceleration as in it takes longer to
get to max speed.L84[08:11:54] <Forecaster> That'll already
require a custom entity
<Forecaster> That'll already
require a custom entityL85[08:12:48] <Captain
Pirate> How doable would that be for a novice to
accomplish?
<Captain
Pirate> How doable would that be for a novice to
accomplish?L86[08:13:09] <Forecaster> Probably also want to set
an owner as well
<Forecaster> Probably also want to set
an owner as wellL87[08:13:27] <Shovinus> Yeh you would def need to
set owner
<Shovinus> Yeh you would def need to
set ownerL88[08:13:33] <Hanakocz> custom entity...well, maybe
just a villager that will have some listeners... onInteractEvent ,
if villager=ticket seller and item in hand = golden ticket, spawn
villager with one more trade and kill old one?
<Hanakocz> custom entity...well, maybe
just a villager that will have some listeners... onInteractEvent ,
if villager=ticket seller and item in hand = golden ticket, spawn
villager with one more trade and kill old one?L89[08:13:50] <Captain
Pirate> Oh sorry I though you were talking to me.. my bad.
<Captain
Pirate> Oh sorry I though you were talking to me.. my bad.L90[08:13:59] <Captain
Pirate> Oh sorry I thought you were talking to me.. my bad.
[Edited]
<Captain
Pirate> Oh sorry I thought you were talking to me.. my bad.
[Edited]L91[08:14:04] <Shovinus> still has to remember the
purchases hana
<Shovinus> still has to remember the
purchases hanaL92[08:14:13] <Hanakocz> but yea, it would be easier
to just extend and create pseudo villager that will have some
normal villager qualities ignored
<Hanakocz> but yea, it would be easier
to just extend and create pseudo villager that will have some
normal villager qualities ignoredL93[08:14:16] <Kobayen> Use same too cmet twice on
villager to deauthorize ticket?
<Kobayen> Use same too cmet twice on
villager to deauthorize ticket?L94[08:14:32] <Shovinus> ^ yeh
<Shovinus> ^ yehL95[08:14:46] <Kobayen> *same ticket twice
<Kobayen> *same ticket twiceL96[08:14:47] <Shovinus> should also wipe the
default trades tbh
<Shovinus> should also wipe the
default trades tbhL97[08:15:05] <Shovinus> would be nice if it applied
a ticketers clothers XD
<Shovinus> would be nice if it applied
a ticketers clothers XDL98[08:15:09] <Shovinus> *clothes
<Shovinus> *clothesL99[08:15:49] <Hanakocz> well, we have in cosmetics
already uniform for conductor or something, how ticketer cloth
would be? probably same uniform, right
<Hanakocz> well, we have in cosmetics
already uniform for conductor or something, how ticketer cloth
would be? probably same uniform, rightL100[08:16:22] <Hanakocz> I guess that best would be
to get dev environment running and try things
<Hanakocz> I guess that best would be
to get dev environment running and try thingsL101[08:16:32] <Shovinus> does not matter much, but
yeh
<Shovinus> does not matter much, but
yehL102[08:17:51] <Hanakocz> got new computer already,
so it might be good idea to setup things on it and also prepare
1.12 update so addon is not 1544411 years later than main mod
xD
<Hanakocz> got new computer already,
so it might be good idea to setup things on it and also prepare
1.12 update so addon is not 1544411 years later than main mod
xDL103[08:18:17] <Kobayen> I miss redpower. RP
Pneumatic pipes would look great on the automated systems to keep
the chests full.
<Kobayen> I miss redpower. RP
Pneumatic pipes would look great on the automated systems to keep
the chests full.L104[08:19:56] <Hanakocz> I am waiting for
Eloraam's redpoer-game finished tbh
<Hanakocz> I am waiting for
Eloraam's redpoer-game finished tbhL106[08:20:45] <Natesky9> Hmm
<Natesky9> HmmL107[08:20:54] <Kobayen> Doesn't IC2 have
vending machines?
<Kobayen> Doesn't IC2 have
vending machines?L108[08:20:55] <Natesky9> Wasn't that announced
like, 5 years ago?
<Natesky9> Wasn't that announced
like, 5 years ago?L109[08:21:17] <Hanakocz> well she is still working
on it, her twitter is quite active with news
<Hanakocz> well she is still working
on it, her twitter is quite active with newsL111[08:23:25] <Captain
Pirate> So anyone got an answer to my question?
<Captain
Pirate> So anyone got an answer to my question?L112[08:23:28] <Kobayen> Minecraft Next more
like.
<Kobayen> Minecraft Next more
like.L113[08:24:28] <Hanakocz> @Captain Pirate more heavy
carts need more acceleration if you think that
<Hanakocz> @Captain Pirate more heavy
carts need more acceleration if you think thatL114[08:24:51] <Hanakocz> you can just add mfe cart
and 5 locomotives to get same speed ?
<Hanakocz> you can just add mfe cart
and 5 locomotives to get same speed ?L115[08:25:10] <Hanakocz> but there is no "this
cart has limited top speed"
<Hanakocz> but there is no "this
cart has limited top speed"L116[08:25:19] <Hanakocz> rails do limits
<Hanakocz> rails do limitsL117[08:26:10] <Captain
Pirate> Sweet I'm trying to setup a trigger with a cart
that will send you to another dimension when you reach a certain
speed.
<Captain
Pirate> Sweet I'm trying to setup a trigger with a cart
that will send you to another dimension when you reach a certain
speed.L118[08:26:24] <Captain
Pirate> But I'll have to wait for release.
<Captain
Pirate> But I'll have to wait for release.L119[08:33:48] ⇦
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L122[08:51:31] <Shovinus> Btw at ticket idea you
could look how framing for blockheads does its market system
<Shovinus> Btw at ticket idea you
could look how framing for blockheads does its market systemL123[08:51:35]
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L135[14:07:05] <vedrit> Wasn't there a ticket
machine, way back when?
<vedrit> Wasn't there a ticket
machine, way back when?L136[14:07:24] <vedrit> Not sure it's survived
the various version changes
<vedrit> Not sure it's survived
the various version changesL137[14:11:02]
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L138[14:21:04] <Generalcamo> Computronics has
one
<Generalcamo> Computronics has
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L140[14:46:31] <Forecaster> yeah, railcraft has never
had one as far as I'm aware
<Forecaster> yeah, railcraft has never
had one as far as I'm awareL141[14:49:43]
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L142[15:20:24] <vedrit> Huh...coulda sworn...
<vedrit> Huh...coulda sworn...L143[15:21:35] <vedrit> I recall it being real
simple, too. You could put in a golden ticket and a bunch of paper,
and other players would just right click on it to get a
ticket
<vedrit> I recall it being real
simple, too. You could put in a golden ticket and a bunch of paper,
and other players would just right click on it to get a
ticketL144[15:23:24] <vedrit> Oh, I guess it was from
OpenPeripherals
<vedrit> Oh, I guess it was from
OpenPeripheralsL145[16:28:27] <ZeroMatter> @Hanakocz Is that a
resource pack?
<ZeroMatter> @Hanakocz Is that a
resource pack?L146[16:29:44] <Natesky9> That's Elorram's
game that she's been working on. You know, the person who made
redpower?
<Natesky9> That's Elorram's
game that she's been working on. You know, the person who made
redpower?L147[16:30:54] <Forecaster> what is this
"person" of which you speak
<Forecaster> what is this
"person" of which you speakL148[16:30:55] <Hanakocz> yep, it is outside
minecraft, completely written from zero in C++, because she was not
satisfied with Minecraft's possibilities
<Hanakocz> yep, it is outside
minecraft, completely written from zero in C++, because she was not
satisfied with Minecraft's possibilitiesL149[16:30:59] <Hanakocz> Eloraam
<Hanakocz> EloraamL150[16:31:32] <Hanakocz> author of RedPower mod,
back from 1.2.5+ times ?
<Hanakocz> author of RedPower mod,
back from 1.2.5+ times ?L151[16:31:46] <Forecaster> someone didn't get
the joke
<Forecaster> someone didn't get
the jokeL152[16:31:58] <Forecaster> :P
<Forecaster> :PL153[16:37:59] <Hanakocz> I am used to people
actually not playing back then heh...or seeing anything as
"tekkit" with not knowing what was inside it
<Hanakocz> I am used to people
actually not playing back then heh...or seeing anything as
"tekkit" with not knowing what was inside itL154[16:39:02] <Generalcamo> Eloraam was around up
until 1.4.7
<Generalcamo> Eloraam was around up
until 1.4.7L155[16:39:33] <Generalcamo> Well modding. She was
around longer trying to block replacements for Redpower
<Generalcamo> Well modding. She was
around longer trying to block replacements for RedpowerL156[16:40:55] <Hanakocz> well just imagine what all
would be around if people weren't needed to completely rewrite
after each version
<Hanakocz> well just imagine what all
would be around if people weren't needed to completely rewrite
after each versionL157[16:41:06] <Hanakocz> thus rather abandoning
it
<Hanakocz> thus rather abandoning
itL158[16:51:00] <Natesky9> I still think forge should
be the language that modders write in, and forge handles updating
their functions
<Natesky9> I still think forge should
be the language that modders write in, and forge handles updating
their functionsL159[16:51:22] <Natesky9> That'd make mods
instantly portable between versions
<Natesky9> That'd make mods
instantly portable between versionsL160[16:56:49] <Forecaster> that'd also make
mods a lot less flexible, and put a much much greater workload on
forge
<Forecaster> that'd also make
mods a lot less flexible, and put a much much greater workload on
forgeL161[17:00:12] <Natesky9> How so less flexible?
<Natesky9> How so less flexible?L162[17:00:44] <Forecaster> because you'd be
limited to use only the interfaces forge provides
<Forecaster> because you'd be
limited to use only the interfaces forge providesL163[17:00:50] <Forecaster> everything has to go
through forge
<Forecaster> everything has to go
through forgeL164[17:01:26] <Forecaster> because if you interact
with minecraft directly in any way, and it changes, your mod breaks
and forge can't do anything about it (basically how it is
currently)
<Forecaster> because if you interact
with minecraft directly in any way, and it changes, your mod breaks
and forge can't do anything about it (basically how it is
currently)L165[17:03:34] <Natesky9> You'd still have the
option to do custom hooks, forge would just be an intermediate to
keep functions and methods constant throughout versions
<Natesky9> You'd still have the
option to do custom hooks, forge would just be an intermediate to
keep functions and methods constant throughout versionsL166[17:05:06] <Natesky9> If Minecraft changes, for
example, how a tile entity is saved, the forge equivalent
won't change in it's method for the modder
<Natesky9> If Minecraft changes, for
example, how a tile entity is saved, the forge equivalent
won't change in it's method for the modderL167[17:31:52] ⇦
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L168[17:42:29] <Generalcamo> If you do that then what
about mods that have common elements?
<Generalcamo> If you do that then what
about mods that have common elements?L169[17:42:52] <Generalcamo> Under your system, the
ore dictionary and fluid system wouldn't exist
<Generalcamo> Under your system, the
ore dictionary and fluid system wouldn't existL170[17:48:55] <Natesky9> What do you mean? The ore
dictionary and the fluid registry are already part of what the
system would do
<Natesky9> What do you mean? The ore
dictionary and the fluid registry are already part of what the
system would doL171[17:50:52] <Generalcamo> Your system makes things
a lot harder especially for rewrites
<Generalcamo> Your system makes things
a lot harder especially for rewritesL172[17:51:13] <Natesky9> The idea is so that there
wouldn't need to be rewrites
<Natesky9> The idea is so that there
wouldn't need to be rewritesL173[17:51:27] <Natesky9> maybe I'm not
explaining it right
<Natesky9> maybe I'm not
explaining it rightL174[17:51:28] <Generalcamo> That's impractical
if not impossible
<Generalcamo> That's impractical
if not impossibleL175[17:52:25] <Generalcamo> There was a system like
that. Compatlayer
<Generalcamo> There was a system like
that. CompatlayerL176[17:52:48] <Generalcamo> It was abandoned in 1.12
because the rewrites became too much for it to account for
<Generalcamo> It was abandoned in 1.12
because the rewrites became too much for it to account forL177[19:34:19] <Kobayen> So what he was wondering was
if there was a middleware between mod and MC so mods wouldnt be
rewritten every version.
<Kobayen> So what he was wondering was
if there was a middleware between mod and MC so mods wouldnt be
rewritten every version.L178[19:34:19] <Kobayen> And as it turns out there
was one and maintaining it was too much.
<Kobayen> And as it turns out there
was one and maintaining it was too much.L179[19:40:33] <Generalcamo> It was maintained by
AlgorithmX2, one of the best modders in the community
<Generalcamo> It was maintained by
AlgorithmX2, one of the best modders in the communityL180[19:41:08] <Generalcamo> He made chisels and
bits
<Generalcamo> He made chisels and
bitsL181[19:41:34] <Generalcamo> If even he couldn't
do it, then there is no hope
<Generalcamo> If even he couldn't
do it, then there is no hopeL182[20:28:29] ⇦
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L183[20:32:37] <3TUSK>
Yes there exists more than one such middle ware - Sponge and
Bukkit
<3TUSK>
Yes there exists more than one such middle ware - Sponge and
BukkitL184[20:33:12] <3TUSK>
If you are open-mind and can accept the fact that they are mods to
a certain extent
<3TUSK>
If you are open-mind and can accept the fact that they are mods to
a certain extentL185[20:33:28] <3TUSK>
Yes there exists more than one such middle-ware - Sponge and Bukkit
[Edited]
<3TUSK>
Yes there exists more than one such middle-ware - Sponge and Bukkit
[Edited]L186[20:36:56] <3TUSK>
And no, CompatLayer was developed by McJty
<3TUSK>
And no, CompatLayer was developed by McJtyL187[20:37:29] <3TUSK>
There was once a time McJty's mods can run simultaneously on
1.10 and 1.11
<3TUSK>
There was once a time McJty's mods can run simultaneously on
1.10 and 1.11L188[20:38:03] <3TUSK>
(Welp. He is also one of the best modders in the community, to many
extents)
<3TUSK>
(Welp. He is also one of the best modders in the community, to many
extents)L189[20:59:56] ⇦
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