L1[00:13:17] <Natesky9> I'm still not behind the whole "anti RFapi" thing

L2[00:13:44] <Natesky9> because the same issues that were present with RF are going to be even moreso if they just repeat the same thing in FE

L3[00:23:26] <liach> rc is against forge power

L4[00:32:33] <Dame-E-in> against?

L5[00:32:53] <Dame-E-in> is rc doing like a rally to get people to stop using RF and FE

L6[00:34:29] <Kodos> Honestly, the implementation of FE reminds me of https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png

L7[00:41:28] <Dame-E-in> sorta yeah

L8[00:41:38] <Dame-E-in> except i like having different power types

L9[00:41:50] <Dame-E-in> it's so fun doing power conversion creatively

L10[01:20:53] <Generalcamo> @Dame-E-in No, it was a poor choice of words from Liach. It's not that we don't "support" FE, it's that we have a different design for the charge network. FE was designed to replace the unmaintained RF during the 1.10 era, but it was explicitly stated to not be a "universal" system in the likes of the Fluid System or the Ore Dictionary. Rather, it was an optional interface that modders can choose to support or n

L11[01:20:54] <Generalcamo> reasons. But there is still some support to convert FE to Charge, though probably not vice-versa.

L12[01:21:53] <Generalcamo> (interface being Capability in this case, which is why RF still exists as KL prefers coding interfaces rather than forge capabilities)

L13[01:24:46] <Dame-E-in> oh

L14[01:26:05] <Natesky9> wait, cofh is active in 1.12

L15[01:26:21] <Generalcamo> Yes, and RF is its own mod now

L16[01:26:34] <Generalcamo> That's why support for it was dropped

L17[01:26:39] <Generalcamo> That's why support for it was dropped entirely [Edited]

L18[01:26:49] <Natesky9> It's... it's always been it's own mod, hasn't it?

L19[01:26:54] <Generalcamo> No, it was an API

L20[01:27:08] <Dame-E-in> TF now requires it. It originally created it

L21[01:27:24] <Natesky9> back in 1.7, when they split it up into it's 3 component mods

L22[01:27:51] <Natesky9> well, yes, the RFapi was it's own api, but that was always included in cofhcore

L23[01:27:57] <Generalcamo> And other mods

L24[01:27:59] <Generalcamo> Like Railcraft

L25[01:28:17] <Generalcamo> You didn't need CoFHCore with Railcraft or Buildcraft etc.

L26[01:28:38] <Natesky9> what did you need then?

L27[01:28:42] <Generalcamo> Nothing

L28[01:28:57] <Generalcamo> (Well forge, but that's needed for anything that isn't a JAR mod....)

L29[01:29:01] <Natesky9> I swear you needed something to interface with the RFapi

L30[01:29:09] <Generalcamo> Sure, the RF API

L31[01:29:15] <Generalcamo> Packaged in the mod

L32[01:29:28] <Dame-E-in> Eh I use Forge for jarmods too

L33[01:30:00] <Dame-E-in> It's easier

L34[01:30:09] <Generalcamo> CoFH wasn't active in early 1.10 if you recall

L35[01:30:16] <Generalcamo> The RF API was pretty unmaintained then

L36[01:30:36] <Generalcamo> They eventually came back, but by then FE had been implemented as "RF but using Forge Capabilities"

L37[01:32:00] <Generalcamo> These are my own opinions, but I never liked universal power systems

L38[01:32:36] <Generalcamo> The balance is near impossible, designs clash, and it always ends up with you using the cheapest and easiest option

L39[01:33:09] <Natesky9> I think that having a universal system takes the strain off of less experienced, or busy developers, who don't want to build their own system, just to have it incompatable with other precreated systems.

L40[01:33:31] <Natesky9> not to mention it's super frustrating as a player when you need 8 different setups for seperate mods

L41[01:34:26] <Generalcamo> It does, though I recall the 1.4.7 days. Let's say, FTB Ultimate

L42[01:35:03] <Generalcamo> You could use BC engines with their kinesis pipes and worry about limits and overloading and create a setup of gates to counter engine overheating and etc.

L43[01:35:18] <Generalcamo> ....or you can use TE2's Redstone Conduits, and forget all of that

L46[02:11:31] <Chocohead> The conduits at least had a loss as soon as you used them

L47[02:11:45] <Chocohead> Just it was a flat rate rather than distance

L52[10:11:42] <liach> the fe is messy because too many can define it, breaking balance possibly. as a result rc uses rc charge and steam

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L69[17:39:15] <qwusshchsh> how do i transfer power with minecarts

L70[17:45:24] <Natesky9> flux carts and the IC2 battery carts is all I can think of

L71[17:45:33] <Natesky9> other than just shuttling coal between places

L72[17:50:20] <Generalcamo> Flux Carts and the Battery Carts

L73[17:55:30] <qwusshchsh> how much energy does the flux cart hold

L74[17:55:30] <Natesky9> I suppose with the new system, you could probably chain electric rails and charge cables?

L75[17:55:42] <Natesky9> I think it's 2 million?

L76[17:55:53] <Natesky9> and the IC2 carts are based on their IC2 tier

L77[17:56:06] <qwusshchsh> flux cart holds 2 million?

L78[17:59:10] <Natesky9> OH! I know how you can transfer RF power... If you have Thermal Expansion, just use the capacitors as batteries, cart them around in cargo carts, and load/unload with energizer/enervation dynamo

L80[18:22:22] <qwusshchsh> how do i move carts fast?

L81[18:22:32] <qwusshchsh> do i push them?

L82[18:23:30] <Natesky9> Well, a locomotive is your primary means of moving lots of carts. Alternatives are using a metric shitton of booster tracks, but I don't recommend that

L83[18:24:22] <Natesky9> if you just have a stray cart that you need to push out of the way, you can right click with a crowbar to nudge it, but be careful, because last I remember, that takes a chunk out of the crowbar durability

L84[18:24:41] <Natesky9> ~~~That's why the void crowbar is best~~~

L85[18:25:20] <qwusshchsh> is there a break to a locmovtive

L86[18:31:46] <Natesky9> Same with any cart, just hit it with a sword or crowbar

L87[18:32:07] <Natesky9> keep in mind it won't remember it's steam or fluid, but it will drop any solid fuel it had

L88[18:33:59] <qwusshchsh> i dont want to break the train every stop

L89[18:34:07] <qwusshchsh> is thera a diffrent way

L90[18:35:03] <Natesky9> what are you trying to do?

L91[18:35:11] <qwusshchsh> ill show you

L92[18:35:25] <Natesky9> If you want it to make a "stop", then use locking tracks

L93[18:43:54] <Generalcamo> @Natesky9 Takes no durability, just a chunk of saturation/hunger

L94[18:44:05] <Natesky9> Oh, that was changed? Sweeet

L95[18:44:10] <Generalcamo> It was never changed

L96[18:44:16] <Natesky9> Erm?

L97[18:44:22] <Generalcamo> nudging carts is a feature of 1.10

L98[18:44:46] <Natesky9> I know that was a thing in 1.7.10, because I kept breaking crowbars and complained about it

L99[18:44:57] <Natesky9> I was the one that kept having them crunch around corners

L100[18:46:00] <Generalcamo> You are correct

L101[18:46:05] <Generalcamo> takes 3 damage in 1.7

L102[18:46:13] <Generalcamo> Plus a chunk of hunger

L103[18:46:20] <Generalcamo> Only one damage and a little bit of hunger in 1.12

L104[18:46:33] <Generalcamo> Plus 1.10 added the Smack enchantments so it can be pushed faster and further

L105[18:49:10] <Generalcamo> In-fact, the damage was changed when Liach added the "Smack" enchantments

L106[18:52:38] <Natesky9> Haha, "smack"

L107[18:52:54] <Natesky9> I love it

L108[18:53:04] <Natesky9> does it get a knockback effect on entities?

L109[18:53:18] <Natesky9> or does it just affect carts

L111[19:49:57] <Generalcamo> Only carts

L112[19:50:13] <Generalcamo> (The Knockback enchantment works for that)