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<Lilithvia> lang @ 098603e My brain is
going to explode
<Lilithvia> lang @ 098603e My brain is
going to explodeL5[02:49:05] <Lilithvia> lol
<Lilithvia> lolL6[04:31:26] <Lilithvia> @liach how much can a
cargo cart hold?
<Lilithvia> @liach how much can a
cargo cart hold?L7[05:10:54] <liach>
15 stacks
<liach>
15 stacksL8[05:57:05] <Natesky9> The nice thing about cargo
carts is that you can filter them to only ever accept one
item
<Natesky9> The nice thing about cargo
carts is that you can filter them to only ever accept one
itemL9[05:58:39] <Forecaster> not "can", they
will only ever accept one item
<Forecaster> not "can", they
will only ever accept one itemL10[05:59:25] <Forecaster> though technically they
can hold multiple different items if you change the filter between
them
<Forecaster> though technically they
can hold multiple different items if you change the filter between
themL11[05:59:41] <Forecaster> but that only works
manually of course
<Forecaster> but that only works
manually of courseL12[06:01:36] <liach>
cargo is fun indeed
<liach>
cargo is fun indeedL13[06:01:55] <Natesky9> I was actually hoping that
cargo carts would have a more... filled visual, instead of the
cardboard models
<Natesky9> I was actually hoping that
cargo carts would have a more... filled visual, instead of the
cardboard modelsL14[06:02:53] <liach>
@Natesky9
<liach>
@Natesky9L15[06:02:55] <liach>
like how
<liach>
like howL16[06:03:07] <liach>
sorry i pressed enter twice so i pinged early
<liach>
sorry i pressed enter twice so i pinged earlyL17[06:03:09] <Natesky9> Trying to find a good
example, this is the best I can find
<Natesky9> Trying to find a good
example, this is the best I can findL19[06:03:29] <Natesky9> like, blocks would be
rendered like this
<Natesky9> like, blocks would be
rendered like thisL20[06:04:10] <liach>
Hmm, good suggestion. The main issue is that I don;'t know how
to rotate it on y axis, but others are fine
<liach>
Hmm, good suggestion. The main issue is that I don;'t know how
to rotate it on y axis, but others are fineL21[06:04:45] <Natesky9> I don't know if
it's my google related search, but there aren't many
images of railcraft
<Natesky9> I don't know if
it's my google related search, but there aren't many
images of railcraftL22[06:07:11] <liach>
most of the pics are of rails of war or so
<liach>
most of the pics are of rails of war or soL23[06:07:31] <Natesky9> I saw more traincraft and
only 1 rails of war picture
<Natesky9> I saw more traincraft and
only 1 rails of war pictureL24[06:07:48] <Natesky9> google caters to your
frequent searches or whatnot
<Natesky9> google caters to your
frequent searches or whatnotL25[06:08:29] <Natesky9> "Personalized
search"
<Natesky9> "Personalized
search"L26[06:08:32] <liach>
oh, dunno if any of them is from immersive railroading
<liach>
oh, dunno if any of them is from immersive railroadingL27[06:22:39] ⇨
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L29[07:20:38] <Lilithvia> I'd like when coal is
in the cargo carts for it to resemble coal laden cars
<Lilithvia> I'd like when coal is
in the cargo carts for it to resemble coal laden carsL30[09:13:46] ⇨
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L34[12:14:22] <Lilithvia> Quick question
<Lilithvia> Quick questionL35[12:14:43] <Lilithvia> Is #1462 going to be
assigned a priority?
<Lilithvia> Is #1462 going to be
assigned a priority?L36[12:15:02] <Lilithvia> Will it make it to 1.12.2
release?
<Lilithvia> Will it make it to 1.12.2
release?L37[12:15:17] <Lilithvia> Or will locomotives need
to be updated first?
<Lilithvia> Or will locomotives need
to be updated first?L38[12:16:32] <Lilithvia> Actually, that's
three questions
<Lilithvia> Actually, that's
three questionsL39[12:26:48] <Generalcamo> Tender Carts are already
apart of Cosmetic Addons I believe
<Generalcamo> Tender Carts are already
apart of Cosmetic Addons I believeL40[12:26:58] <LuigiHutch> 1) depends if its
actually going to be implemented (needs actual discussion), 2) See
point 1, 3) also see point 1
<LuigiHutch> 1) depends if its
actually going to be implemented (needs actual discussion), 2) See
point 1, 3) also see point 1L41[12:27:06] <Generalcamo> In my mind, if added, it
would be input-only
<Generalcamo> In my mind, if added, it
would be input-onlyL42[12:27:12] <bball.psd> I dont think theyre in
cosmetic additions
<bball.psd> I dont think theyre in
cosmetic additionsL43[12:27:17] <Generalcamo> No output allowed to
prevent it from becoming a super-chest cart
<Generalcamo> No output allowed to
prevent it from becoming a super-chest cartL44[12:27:53] <Generalcamo> It's also only
useful for one locomotive
<Generalcamo> It's also only
useful for one locomotiveL45[12:28:12] <Generalcamo> Diesel, Essentia, and
Electric locomotives would have no use for it
<Generalcamo> Diesel, Essentia, and
Electric locomotives would have no use for itL46[12:29:52] <LuigiHutch> also makes the building
actual infrastructure such as water/fuel refueling stations less
important/useful
<LuigiHutch> also makes the building
actual infrastructure such as water/fuel refueling stations less
important/usefulL47[12:30:19] <Generalcamo> Well not
necessarily
<Generalcamo> Well not
necessarilyL48[12:30:37] <Generalcamo> I would just remove
storage slots from the locomotive and reduce the water
capacity
<Generalcamo> I would just remove
storage slots from the locomotive and reduce the water
capacityL49[12:32:18] <LuigiHutch> that wan't part of
the suggestion though, that's just a balance change for the
sake of adding this feature
<LuigiHutch> that wan't part of
the suggestion though, that's just a balance change for the
sake of adding this featureL50[12:32:47] <Generalcamo> Suggestions always come
with necessary balancing
<Generalcamo> Suggestions always come
with necessary balancingL51[12:32:52] <Generalcamo> Like the Plate ore
dicting
<Generalcamo> Like the Plate ore
dictingL52[12:33:05] <Generalcamo> You got it, now live
with more complicated recipes to resolve the recipe conflicts that
are now inevitable
<Generalcamo> You got it, now live
with more complicated recipes to resolve the recipe conflicts that
are now inevitableL53[12:35:49] <Lilithvia> Luigi, It doesn't
really make water/refueling stations less useful. Just for when
you've actually got the rail line and resources to set them
up
<Lilithvia> Luigi, It doesn't
really make water/refueling stations less useful. Just for when
you've actually got the rail line and resources to set them
upL54[12:36:53] <Lilithvia> Besides, it uses half or
less of either cart
<Lilithvia> Besides, it uses half or
less of either cartL55[12:37:35] <Lilithvia> Tender carts will be
fairly tame upon implementation
<Lilithvia> Tender carts will be
fairly tame upon implementationL56[12:38:27] <LuigiHutch> what? ` allow for the
locomotive to go farther without manually refueling/watering a
locomotive` so you don't need to build refueling stations as
they can now go further without refilling
<LuigiHutch> what? ` allow for the
locomotive to go farther without manually refueling/watering a
locomotive` so you don't need to build refueling stations as
they can now go further without refillingL57[12:39:16] <Lilithvia> Are you really going to
carry 50,000 water buckets in your inventory when setting up a base
somewhere?
<Lilithvia> Are you really going to
carry 50,000 water buckets in your inventory when setting up a base
somewhere?L58[12:39:35] <Generalcamo> No, you are going to
build a water tank and a fluid loader
<Generalcamo> No, you are going to
build a water tank and a fluid loaderL59[12:40:01] <Lilithvia> But how much time does
setting up and taking down take?
<Lilithvia> But how much time does
setting up and taking down take?L60[12:40:21] <LuigiHutch> why would you take it
down?
<LuigiHutch> why would you take it
down?L61[12:40:33] <Lilithvia> 26 blocks for a water tank
+ fluid loader
<Lilithvia> 26 blocks for a water tank
+ fluid loaderL62[12:40:42] <Lilithvia> That adds up quickly
<Lilithvia> That adds up quicklyL63[12:42:01] <Lilithvia> It's not like the
tender is going to be OP as hell
<Lilithvia> It's not like the
tender is going to be OP as hellL64[12:42:26] <Generalcamo> I disagree
<Generalcamo> I disagreeL65[12:42:31] <LuigiHutch> just seems pointless
imo
<LuigiHutch> just seems pointless
imoL66[12:42:35] <Generalcamo> Unless I remove storage
slots and make it _mandatory_
<Generalcamo> Unless I remove storage
slots and make it _mandatory_L67[12:43:03] <Lilithvia> That actually sounds like
a great idea
<Lilithvia> That actually sounds like
a great ideaL68[12:43:16] <Generalcamo> No because then the
other locomotives look even more enticing
<Generalcamo> No because then the
other locomotives look even more enticingL69[12:43:38] <Lilithvia> Could add the equivalent
of a tender cart for each loco
<Lilithvia> Could add the equivalent
of a tender cart for each locoL70[12:44:01] <Lilithvia> Electric probably
won't need it except when going over unpowered rail
sections
<Lilithvia> Electric probably
won't need it except when going over unpowered rail
sectionsL71[12:45:35] <Generalcamo> Please give me an
example of a diesel locomotive with a tender cart and I will gladly
take it into consideration
<Generalcamo> Please give me an
example of a diesel locomotive with a tender cart and I will gladly
take it into considerationL72[12:49:12] <Lilithvia> You are suggesting the
other locos are OP, and the tender will balance things out, but you
refuse?
<Lilithvia> You are suggesting the
other locos are OP, and the tender will balance things out, but you
refuse?L73[12:49:12] <Lilithvia> What?
<Lilithvia> What?L74[12:51:16] <Generalcamo> They aren't. The
Tender makes things unnecessarily complicated
<Generalcamo> They aren't. The
Tender makes things unnecessarily complicatedL75[12:51:27] <Generalcamo> That's what's
going to cause issues with the balance
<Generalcamo> That's what's
going to cause issues with the balanceL76[12:51:36] <Lilithvia> That's if you make
them mandatory
<Lilithvia> That's if you make
them mandatoryL77[12:52:06] <Generalcamo> And if I don't make
it mandatory, then either infrastructure is useless or the amount
of storage is so low it's best to not even bother
<Generalcamo> And if I don't make
it mandatory, then either infrastructure is useless or the amount
of storage is so low it's best to not even botherL78[12:52:34] <Generalcamo> As LuigiHutch
mentioned
<Generalcamo> As LuigiHutch
mentionedL79[12:52:58] <Lilithvia> What if you increase
hauling capacity or hauling torque if you use a tender?
<Lilithvia> What if you increase
hauling capacity or hauling torque if you use a tender?L80[12:53:20] <Generalcamo> How does that make sense
at all?
<Generalcamo> How does that make sense
at all?L81[12:53:25] <bball.psd> ^
<bball.psd> ^L82[12:53:27] <Generalcamo> Add a tender = somehow
more power to the engine?
<Generalcamo> Add a tender = somehow
more power to the engine?L83[12:54:00] <Lilithvia> I thought we were trying
to balance things
<Lilithvia> I thought we were trying
to balance thingsL84[12:54:08] <Generalcamo> They are balanced
as-is
<Generalcamo> They are balanced
as-isL85[12:54:51] <Lilithvia> I mean, having to chase
down a steam loco after exiting a minecart just to refuel or water
it is pretty balanced...
<Lilithvia> I mean, having to chase
down a steam loco after exiting a minecart just to refuel or water
it is pretty balanced...L86[12:55:08] <Generalcamo> Why would you need to
chase it? You have refueling station setup
<Generalcamo> Why would you need to
chase it? You have refueling station setupL87[12:55:12] <Generalcamo> Why would you need to
chase it? You have refueling stations setup [Edited]
<Generalcamo> Why would you need to
chase it? You have refueling stations setup [Edited]L88[12:55:17] <Generalcamo> COal and water are
loaded there
<Generalcamo> COal and water are
loaded thereL89[12:55:27] <Lilithvia> Not if you are just laying
down a new line you don't
<Lilithvia> Not if you are just laying
down a new line you don'tL90[13:39:23] <Forecaster> you can stop the train,
then refuel
<Forecaster> you can stop the train,
then refuelL91[13:39:36] <Forecaster> :P
<Forecaster> :PL92[13:47:19] <abculatter_2> Or just have the
passenger cart on the front of the train so you can refill it
without getting out
<abculatter_2> Or just have the
passenger cart on the front of the train so you can refill it
without getting outL93[14:18:37] <Pandaple> Anyone got a quick link to
the 1.12 github?
<Pandaple> Anyone got a quick link to
the 1.12 github?L94[14:18:44] <Pandaple> Can't find it for some
reason, I must be blind.
<Pandaple> Can't find it for some
reason, I must be blind.L96[14:19:16] <Pandaple> Cheers
<Pandaple> CheersL97[14:40:13] <bball.psd> !quote
466690029385678849
<bball.psd> !quote
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L111[19:42:09] <Natesky9> I just thought about
something
<Natesky9> I just thought about
somethingL112[19:42:33] <Natesky9> How to solve the "item
transportation" issue, but also make railcraft thematically
correct
<Natesky9> How to solve the "item
transportation" issue, but also make railcraft thematically
correctL113[19:42:58] <Natesky9> Why not just have a source
of "ore" that a machine like the tunnel bore mines
out
<Natesky9> Why not just have a source
of "ore" that a machine like the tunnel bore mines
outL114[19:43:24] <Natesky9> and then a cart moves this
"ore" value, not as item form, but as a value in a
minecart
<Natesky9> and then a cart moves this
"ore" value, not as item form, but as a value in a
minecartL115[19:43:46] <Natesky9> and then that goes to the
processing plant, somewhere above ground
<Natesky9> and then that goes to the
processing plant, somewhere above groundL116[20:15:31]
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L118[20:46:46] <Generalcamo> Doing things like that
means broken compatibility with item capabilities
<Generalcamo> Doing things like that
means broken compatibility with item capabilitiesL119[20:47:05] <Generalcamo> I'm doing a PR to
forge to fix them so we can use them fully
<Generalcamo> I'm doing a PR to
forge to fix them so we can use them fullyL120[20:47:28] <Generalcamo> Kindof counterproductive
if we end up going with our own system
<Generalcamo> Kindof counterproductive
if we end up going with our own systemL121[21:02:50] <Natesky9> That's the thing
though, the ore won't be an "item" until it's
been processed
<Natesky9> That's the thing
though, the ore won't be an "item" until it's
been processedL122[21:03:05] <Natesky9> It'd kinda be like a
fluid, except not a forge fluid
<Natesky9> It'd kinda be like a
fluid, except not a forge fluidL123[21:05:17] <Natesky9> It'd be a way of
having a proprietary ore generation system, similar to how Mekanism
handles their ore multiplication, to prevent exploits
<Natesky9> It'd be a way of
having a proprietary ore generation system, similar to how Mekanism
handles their ore multiplication, to prevent exploitsL124[21:05:48] <Natesky9> except instead of
multiplying the output, it's controlled ore generation
<Natesky9> except instead of
multiplying the output, it's controlled ore generationL125[21:38:11] ⇦
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L126[21:50:20] <abculatter_2> Why don't you just
make it produce poor ore, and make the processing plant be a more
efficient way of processing poor ores?
<abculatter_2> Why don't you just
make it produce poor ore, and make the processing plant be a more
efficient way of processing poor ores?L127[21:50:45] <abculatter_2> Also, what would
prevent the player from just putting the plant next to the ore
vein?
<abculatter_2> Also, what would
prevent the player from just putting the plant next to the ore
vein?L128[21:50:53] <bball.psd> ^
<bball.psd> ^L129[21:54:26] <abculatter_2> I do like the idea of
location-dependent resource generation, like saltpeter ore spawners
or IE-esque positional ore deposits (whether that be done by tile
entities, chunk data, or whatever)
<abculatter_2> I do like the idea of
location-dependent resource generation, like saltpeter ore spawners
or IE-esque positional ore deposits (whether that be done by tile
entities, chunk data, or whatever)L130[21:55:15] <abculatter_2> Although, one issue
with it is the lack of a large-scale need for resources for the
typical play run
<abculatter_2> Although, one issue
with it is the lack of a large-scale need for resources for the
typical play runL131[21:56:44] <abculatter_2> You could use it for
aesthetics, sure, but most people, in my experience, don't
bother putting that much effort into the game before getting bored
and doing something else, usually a different modpack
<abculatter_2> You could use it for
aesthetics, sure, but most people, in my experience, don't
bother putting that much effort into the game before getting bored
and doing something else, usually a different modpackL132[21:58:37] <abculatter_2> Factorio, I feel,
accomplishes the desire for ever increasing resources quite well,
though unfortunately automation in minecraft tends to run into
non-trivial performance concerns pretty quickly...
<abculatter_2> Factorio, I feel,
accomplishes the desire for ever increasing resources quite well,
though unfortunately automation in minecraft tends to run into
non-trivial performance concerns pretty quickly...L133[21:59:05] <abculatter_2> Unless it's very
vanilla-esque in style, with very few tile entities, if any at
all
<abculatter_2> Unless it's very
vanilla-esque in style, with very few tile entities, if any at
allL134[21:59:16] <abculatter_2> But few mods go that
route
<abculatter_2> But few mods go that
routeL135[21:59:40] <abculatter_2> Notable, not railcraft,
since all it's machines are tile entities
<abculatter_2> Notable, not railcraft,
since all it's machines are tile entitiesL136[21:59:54] <abculatter_2> Which isn't a bad
thing, mind you
<abculatter_2> Which isn't a bad
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L139[22:44:27] <Generalcamo> A lot of our blocks are
tile entities to conserve IDs
<Generalcamo> A lot of our blocks are
tile entities to conserve IDsL140[22:44:55] <liach>
Yeah
<liach>
YeahL141[22:51:47] <Generalcamo> That's why stairs
and slabs can't be moved with a piston
<Generalcamo> That's why stairs
and slabs can't be moved with a pistonL142[23:36:54] <Natesky9> Yeah, a lack of any real
end-game items really makes it hard to build a game around that
fact
<Natesky9> Yeah, a lack of any real
end-game items really makes it hard to build a game around that
factL143[23:37:11] <Natesky9> In fact, making a train is
about as complex as it gets
<Natesky9> In fact, making a train is
about as complex as it getsL144[23:37:25] <Natesky9> aside from an ME
system
<Natesky9> aside from an ME
systemL145[23:37:47] <Natesky9> Mass fabricator is the only
other real infrastructure I can think of
<Natesky9> Mass fabricator is the only
other real infrastructure I can think ofL146[23:38:21] <Natesky9> but of course, no need for
that when there's no demand, and the fact that *if you can
make a mass fabricator*, chances are you don't need
resources
<Natesky9> but of course, no need for
that when there's no demand, and the fact that *if you can
make a mass fabricator*, chances are you don't need
resourcesL147[23:44:19] <abculatter_2> Well, my understanding
is that non-ticking tile entities aren't a big deal for
performance
<abculatter_2> Well, my understanding
is that non-ticking tile entities aren't a big deal for
performanceL148[23:44:30] <abculatter_2> I was more refering to
ticking tile entities
<abculatter_2> I was more refering to
ticking tile entitiesL149[23:46:23] <abculatter_2> Also yeah Nate, tbh I
feel like you really need to do a major overhaul of a lot of things
to make that kind of end game and it's just... annoying, and
time-consuming to do as a pack maker...
<abculatter_2> Also yeah Nate, tbh I
feel like you really need to do a major overhaul of a lot of things
to make that kind of end game and it's just... annoying, and
time-consuming to do as a pack maker...L150[23:47:37] <Natesky9> In the discussion we had
like, a few days ago, it was argued that pack makers are
responsible for balancing mods
<Natesky9> In the discussion we had
like, a few days ago, it was argued that pack makers are
responsible for balancing modsL151[23:47:41] <Natesky9> I'm confused
<Natesky9> I'm confusedL152[23:48:19] <Natesky9> Also, what if machines only
ticked while their owner was online?
<Natesky9> Also, what if machines only
ticked while their owner was online?L153[23:48:32] <abculatter_2> replace
'things' in that last sentence with
'recipes'
<abculatter_2> replace
'things' in that last sentence with
'recipes'L154[23:48:43] <abculatter_2> Sorry, should've
specified
<abculatter_2> Sorry, should've
specifiedL155[23:49:06] <abculatter_2> Also that only fixes
server lag
<abculatter_2> Also that only fixes
server lagL156[23:49:25] <abculatter_2> Which... tbh I feel
like multiplayer is overrated, most people player
singleplayer
<abculatter_2> Which... tbh I feel
like multiplayer is overrated, most people player
singleplayerL157[23:49:45] <abculatter_2> Which... tbh I feel
like multiplayer is overrated, most people play singleplayer
[Edited]
<abculatter_2> Which... tbh I feel
like multiplayer is overrated, most people play singleplayer
[Edited]L158[23:50:08] <Natesky9> I'm very much a social
gamer. I lose interest in a game very quickly without others
<Natesky9> I'm very much a social
gamer. I lose interest in a game very quickly without othersL159[23:50:52] <Natesky9> Probably why I'm
running two servers, so that there's always someone to play
online with
<Natesky9> Probably why I'm
running two servers, so that there's always someone to play
online with