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L9[02:17:46] <iamamitten> can
Hobbyist's Steam Engines explode?
L10[02:19:36] 
<Forecaster> no
<Forecaster> noL11[02:19:36] <Forecaster> or well yes
<Forecaster> or well yesL12[02:19:36] <Forecaster> if you put water into it
when it's hot
<Forecaster> if you put water into it
when it's hotL13[02:19:36] <Forecaster> and completely empty of
water
<Forecaster> and completely empty of
waterL14[02:22:19] <iamamitten> what if I have
it setup like this? https://i.imgur.com/MrDyBxl.png
L15[02:22:53] <Forecaster> if you're not
actually using the boiler in the engine then no
<Forecaster> if you're not
actually using the boiler in the engine then noL16[02:22:56] <Forecaster> it wont explode
<Forecaster> it wont explodeL17[02:23:02] <iamamitten> okay, cool
L18[02:23:09] <iamamitten> so I don't
need to worry, thanks
L19[02:23:18] <Forecaster> engines don't
explode because of pressure, they never have
<Forecaster> engines don't
explode because of pressure, they never haveL20[02:23:19] <iamamitten> if it does
explode...
L21[02:23:57] <iamamitten> oh boy, I hit
the point where it's voiding all excess power immediately
after unpausing the game
L22[02:24:05] <iamamitten> thanks
again!
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L31[08:43:47] <darkelarious> aloha
L32[08:44:05] <darkelarious> is there a
reason why RC is not in 1.12's direwolf20 pack?
L33[08:47:26] <Forecaster> because there is no 1.12
version yet
<Forecaster> because there is no 1.12
version yetL34[08:47:52] <darkelarious> ow
L35[08:48:10] <darkelarious> I completely
overlooked that part
L36[08:48:26] <Darkelarious> (might as well continue
on discord)
<Darkelarious> (might as well continue
on discord)L37[08:49:11] <Darkelarious> is it scheduled for
1.12 already? or not for a while?
<Darkelarious> is it scheduled for
1.12 already? or not for a while?L38[08:50:12] <Hanakocz> it needs some time, and we
still are on 1.10 yet
<Hanakocz> it needs some time, and we
still are on 1.10 yetL39[08:50:30] <Darkelarious> I was curious, since I
haven't seen a modpack without railcraft for a while
<Darkelarious> I was curious, since I
haven't seen a modpack without railcraft for a whileL40[08:50:52] <Forecaster> once the 1.10 version is
feature complete we'll move on to the other versions
<Forecaster> once the 1.10 version is
feature complete we'll move on to the other versionsL41[08:51:02] <Hanakocz> blame mojang for not making
the mod api, as they were talking about it years ago and still you
need rewrite mods quite a lot with every version
<Hanakocz> blame mojang for not making
the mod api, as they were talking about it years ago and still you
need rewrite mods quite a lot with every versionL42[08:51:15] <Darkelarious> I can imagine that
it's easier to finish one version, than to maintain the same
code for two versions.
<Darkelarious> I can imagine that
it's easier to finish one version, than to maintain the same
code for two versions.L43[08:51:17] <Forecaster> the mod api would not
help...
<Forecaster> the mod api would not
help...L44[08:52:33] <Darkelarious> i also don't
understand why minecraft is in need of so many successive
upgrades
<Darkelarious> i also don't
understand why minecraft is in need of so many successive
upgradesL45[08:53:05] <Darkelarious> I can understand adding
new functions, but why the continuous upgrades..
<Darkelarious> I can understand adding
new functions, but why the continuous upgrades..L46[08:53:30] <Forecaster> it's the jump from
1.7 to 1.10 that is the major step
<Forecaster> it's the jump from
1.7 to 1.10 that is the major stepL47[08:53:31] <Hanakocz> they need more colorful
moneygrabs
<Hanakocz> they need more colorful
moneygrabsL48[08:53:41] <Forecaster> from 1.10 to 1.11/1.12
will be relatively minor
<Forecaster> from 1.10 to 1.11/1.12
will be relatively minorL49[08:53:53] <Forecaster> @Hanakocz people
don't pay for updates...
<Forecaster> @Hanakocz people
don't pay for updates...L50[08:54:20] <Darkelarious> be happy you don't
need to make a transaction for every dungeon or mob spawning
<Darkelarious> be happy you don't
need to make a transaction for every dungeon or mob spawningL51[08:54:22] <Hanakocz> ya, but new children
don't have an account yet and need some peer pressure that the
game is still alive xD
<Hanakocz> ya, but new children
don't have an account yet and need some peer pressure that the
game is still alive xDL52[08:54:43] <Forecaster> I don't see what
that has to do with updates
<Forecaster> I don't see what
that has to do with updatesL53[08:55:03] <Darkelarious> it makes sense,
<Darkelarious> it makes sense,L54[08:55:16] <Darkelarious> would you buy a
"10 year old game" or "latest minecraft
version"?
<Darkelarious> would you buy a
"10 year old game" or "latest minecraft
version"?L55[08:55:47] <Hanakocz> "look, we added new
colorful parrots" is definetly a selling point
<Hanakocz> "look, we added new
colorful parrots" is definetly a selling pointL56[08:55:56] <Forecaster> well yeah
<Forecaster> well yeahL57[08:55:57] <Darkelarious> wait, there's
parrots now?
<Darkelarious> wait, there's
parrots now?L58[08:56:08] <Forecaster> the alternative is they
stop updating and the game stagnates
<Forecaster> the alternative is they
stop updating and the game stagnatesL59[08:56:18] <Forecaster> I prefer the former
<Forecaster> I prefer the formerL60[08:57:30] <Darkelarious> still, additions do not
necessarily require complete recoding of a mod
<Darkelarious> still, additions do not
necessarily require complete recoding of a modL61[08:58:42] <Forecaster> sometimes you have to
update the core to improve things
<Forecaster> sometimes you have to
update the core to improve thingsL62[08:58:55] <Forecaster> that's just the way
of software development
<Forecaster> that's just the way
of software developmentL63[08:59:16] <Darkelarious> still, there's
such a thing as backward compatibility
<Darkelarious> still, there's
such a thing as backward compatibilityL64[08:59:47] <Forecaster> that severely limits what
you can actually change though
<Forecaster> that severely limits what
you can actually change thoughL65[09:00:20] <Darkelarious> i guess i'm
thinking too modular afteral
<Darkelarious> i guess i'm
thinking too modular afteralL66[09:00:23] <Darkelarious> after all*
<Darkelarious> after all*L67[09:00:53] <Darkelarious> i would have designed
minecraft as an empty core, where all mobs, blocks and functions
are actually mods -- that way you keep the core and the content
separate
<Darkelarious> i would have designed
minecraft as an empty core, where all mobs, blocks and functions
are actually mods -- that way you keep the core and the content
separateL68[09:00:53] <Hanakocz> well, they do only forward
compatibility, no backwards
<Hanakocz> well, they do only forward
compatibility, no backwardsL69[09:00:59] <Darkelarious> ah well
<Darkelarious> ah wellL70[09:01:21] <Darkelarious> eitherway, thanks for
the enlightenment. I patiently will await the 1.12 version.
<Darkelarious> eitherway, thanks for
the enlightenment. I patiently will await the 1.12 version.L71[09:01:36] <Hanakocz> if you load world map in
older save, the "unknown" blocks will jsut get
deleted
<Hanakocz> if you load world map in
older save, the "unknown" blocks will jsut get
deletedL72[09:01:47] <Forecaster> @Darkelarious I doubt
Notch thought that far ahead when he started his tiny project like
a decade ago :P
<Forecaster> @Darkelarious I doubt
Notch thought that far ahead when he started his tiny project like
a decade ago :PL73[09:01:53] <Darkelarious> true
<Darkelarious> trueL74[09:01:55] <Darkelarious> very true
<Darkelarious> very trueL75[09:02:01] <Darkelarious> but it's not too
late for that approach
<Darkelarious> but it's not too
late for that approachL76[09:02:14] <Darkelarious> and you would no longer
depend on FML or bukkit, which could be considered a win too
<Darkelarious> and you would no longer
depend on FML or bukkit, which could be considered a win tooL77[09:02:26] <Hanakocz> because of that forward
compatibility, you need to do step by step upgrades, though
<Hanakocz> because of that forward
compatibility, you need to do step by step upgrades, thoughL78[09:02:56] <Hanakocz> I like how factorio handles
mods
<Hanakocz> I like how factorio handles
modsL79[09:03:14] <Forecaster> that's basically the
approach @Darkelarious talked about
<Forecaster> that's basically the
approach @Darkelarious talked aboutL80[09:03:19] <Forecaster> the main game is just a
mod
<Forecaster> the main game is just a
modL81[09:03:25] <Forecaster> or wait, was that
Rimworld
<Forecaster> or wait, was that
RimworldL82[09:03:28] <Forecaster> hm
<Forecaster> hmL83[09:04:15] <Hanakocz> well still, it has official
support and then it can go long way forward.
<Hanakocz> well still, it has official
support and then it can go long way forward.L84[09:07:27] <Darkelarious> true
<Darkelarious> trueL85[09:08:03] <Darkelarious> and it's not fair
to say either that this update system has no potential for future
expansions
<Darkelarious> and it's not fair
to say either that this update system has no potential for future
expansionsL86[09:09:58] <Forecaster> well, the more they
replace the core systems the less they have to drastically change
in the future :P
<Forecaster> well, the more they
replace the core systems the less they have to drastically change
in the future :PL87[09:17:23] <Darkelarious> i still am hoping for a
non-java version
<Darkelarious> i still am hoping for a
non-java versionL88[09:17:33] <Darkelarious> would be awesome to
have minecraft in Unreal Engine 4 :P
<Darkelarious> would be awesome to
have minecraft in Unreal Engine 4 :PL89[09:17:46] <Darkelarious> but highly unrealistic
that it'll happen
<Darkelarious> but highly unrealistic
that it'll happenL90[09:17:54] <Forecaster> I don't see what
that would add
<Forecaster> I don't see what
that would addL91[09:18:12] <Forecaster> it'd basically have
to re-written also
<Forecaster> it'd basically have
to re-written alsoL92[09:18:54] <Darkelarious> ++ for java is that
it's multiplatform and easy to program, -- for java is that
it's slow, uses a lot of cpu and ram
<Darkelarious> ++ for java is that
it's multiplatform and easy to program, -- for java is that
it's slow, uses a lot of cpu and ramL93[09:19:33] <Darkelarious> ++ for a specific
engine is that it will eventually be easier to program, but -- that
you need a new version for the different OSes, you need to rewrite
everything and mods need to be built from scratch
<Darkelarious> ++ for a specific
engine is that it will eventually be easier to program, but -- that
you need a new version for the different OSes, you need to rewrite
everything and mods need to be built from scratchL94[09:19:47] <Darkelarious> ow, and ++ that it may
be faster/more efficient in use
<Darkelarious> ow, and ++ that it may
be faster/more efficient in useL95[09:20:03] <Darkelarious> but i don't think
that weighs up to the pros and cons from java
<Darkelarious> but i don't think
that weighs up to the pros and cons from javaL96[09:20:31] <Darkelarious> ah well
<Darkelarious> ah wellL97[09:20:55] <Darkelarious> i'll add railcraft
to 1.12 when it gets to that stage, plenty of other mods to work
through before that point
<Darkelarious> i'll add railcraft
to 1.12 when it gets to that stage, plenty of other mods to work
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especially for mc most of the time is wasted independently
<Player> java isn't slow,
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