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<CovertJaguar> its already via loot
tables
<CovertJaguar> its already via loot
tablesL2[00:06:05] <CovertJaguar> you _should_ be able to
override them, but I haven't tested it
<CovertJaguar> you _should_ be able to
override them, but I haven't tested itL3[00:06:06] <liach>
What is via loot tables?
<liach>
What is via loot tables?L4[00:06:11] <CovertJaguar> loot
<CovertJaguar> lootL5[00:06:20] <liach>
zombie heart?
<liach>
zombie heart?L6[00:06:38] <CovertJaguar> scroll up two messages
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<CovertJaguar> scroll up two messages
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Oh dungeon loots
<liach>
Oh dungeon lootsL8[00:10:12] ⇦
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L30[05:49:11] <darkelarious>
mornin'
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L32[05:53:37] <Forecaster> hello
<Forecaster> helloL33[05:53:42] <darkelarious> out of
curiousity, since which version do locomotives pull water from the
tank cart behind/next to it?
L34[05:53:54] <darkelarious> did that
already exist in 1.6.4? :)
L35[06:00:28] <darkelarious> (running 1.6.4
with rc 8.4.0.0)
L36[06:01:36] <Forecaster> I don't
remember
<Forecaster> I don't
rememberL37[06:01:40] <Forecaster> at least since 1.7
<Forecaster> at least since 1.7L38[06:01:49] <darkelarious> yeah, i
thought so..
L39[06:02:14] <darkelarious> just glad that
i figured that out before i started building long tracks (A)
L40[06:06:16] <Hanakocz> well usually people
don't know this, as they put rideable minecart just after the
loco so they can interact with gui ?
<Hanakocz> well usually people
don't know this, as they put rideable minecart just after the
loco so they can interact with gui ?L41[06:06:28] <darkelarious> nice how
playing old versions makes you appreciate the newer versions
:)
L42[06:06:59] <darkelarious> @Hanakocz: i
got over that pretty quickly because i wanted to keep my trains
driving automatically all the time
L43[06:07:05] <darkelarious> whether people
were in them or not
L44[06:07:19] <darkelarious> of course, it
blows up the server on 5000-block long tracks, but still
L45[06:07:35] <Hanakocz> oh ya, also when you find
out you can keyboard-control them from anywhere in a train...
xD
<Hanakocz> oh ya, also when you find
out you can keyboard-control them from anywhere in a train...
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L47[06:07:56] <darkelarious> with rftools
and rednet, i used to (still do) make timetables so the trains are
all timed
L48[06:08:25] <darkelarious> hell, even had
locking tracks along some ways to simulate delays and to have
trains wait for one another at signal blocks
L49[06:08:41] <Hanakocz> haha cool
<Hanakocz> haha coolL50[06:09:20] <Hanakocz> on RC server we might have
something like that via open computers, if we will be good enough
to invent such a system
<Hanakocz> on RC server we might have
something like that via open computers, if we will be good enough
to invent such a systemL51[06:10:25] <darkelarious> i have a lot
of good ideas, and I am (claiming to be) a good programmer, but
somehow I can't put myself to work with java and/or other
people :(
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L53[06:11:17] <Forecaster> Lua :P
<Forecaster> Lua :PL54[06:11:37] <darkelarious> and on the
other hand, I'm also not one of those kinds of people that
says "hey you guys should make ..."
L55[06:12:24] <Hanakocz> well we are slowly starting
to create railroad system, computer systems will come next xD
<Hanakocz> well we are slowly starting
to create railroad system, computer systems will come next xDL56[06:12:44] <darkelarious> I should join
more often
L57[06:12:53] <darkelarious> since i
resigned my job, I basically have a lot of free time
L58[06:13:03] <darkelarious> and I'm
wasting it mutating bees in ftb 1.6.4 monster....
L59[06:15:18] <darkelarious> actually, I
showed forecaster sshots before of my long high speed track, which
is built on some sort of infinite/long bridge, and it's always
a hassle to build these long, repetitive blocks
L60[06:15:51] <Hanakocz> better to dig tunnels with
automated bores xD
<Hanakocz> better to dig tunnels with
automated bores xDL61[06:15:53] <darkelarious> with botania,
you can place up to 64 blocks of the same type and
orientation,
L62[06:16:07] <Hanakocz> hm, might be fun to make
some automated bridge builder
<Hanakocz> hm, might be fun to make
some automated bridge builderL63[06:16:54] <darkelarious> but i'm
wondering if there's a way to build some kind of repetitive
construction (concrete bridges) with a certain pattern (pillar
every 75 blocks, pantograph wire portals every 10 blocks, concrete
stairs to the left/right)
L64[06:17:31] <darkelarious> i mean,
programming wise I can imagine that this may be a lot easier to
accomplish, but I'm not sure how you could let the user
specify this
L65[06:17:42] <Hanakocz> Buildcraft
<Hanakocz> BuildcraftL66[06:17:44] <Joshwoo70> thats a huge energy drain
though
<Joshwoo70> thats a huge energy drain
thoughL67[06:17:44] <darkelarious> let me dig up
some screenshots of my last builds (before the server got
nuked/destroyed)
L68[06:17:54] <darkelarious> energy is not
a problem mid/endgame
L69[06:17:56] <Hanakocz> you want buildcraft
planner
<Hanakocz> you want buildcraft
plannerL70[06:18:06] <darkelarious> i somehow
never got that to work tbh
L71[06:18:15] <Hanakocz> although you may have
problem at 1.6.4, as it is very late 1.7.10 stuff
<Hanakocz> although you may have
problem at 1.6.4, as it is very late 1.7.10 stuffL72[06:18:38] <Hanakocz> it can copy even working
factories xD
<Hanakocz> it can copy even working
factories xDL73[06:20:07] <darkelarious> nice
L74[06:20:20] <darkelarious> fyi, just
playing monster on 1.6.4 until I move to my new house later this
year
L75[06:20:43] <darkelarious> because now
I'm not sure how much I can invest in a server
L76[06:20:55] <darkelarious> after the move
/ settling in, I know how much there's left on my bank account
:P
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L78[06:21:42] <darkelarious> hm, no sshots
that show what I want
L79[06:21:42] <darkelarious> sec
L81[06:31:27] <darkelarious> very
minimalistic example: http://share.333networks.com/share/Screenshot%20from%202017-06-19%2013:30:43.png
L82[06:31:31] <darkelarious> http://share.333networks.com/share/Screenshot%20from%202017-06-19%2013:30:28.png
L83[06:31:56] <darkelarious> and I think we
talked before about the electric wiring/pantographs before as well,
I have no idea if anything ever happened after that
L84[06:32:06] <Forecaster> it doesn't look
symetric
<Forecaster> it doesn't look
symetricL85[06:32:19] <Forecaster> in the bottom
picture
<Forecaster> in the bottom
pictureL86[06:32:22] <Forecaster> I'm not sure
why
<Forecaster> I'm not sure
whyL87[06:32:43] <darkelarious> that's
why the sshot is taken from 2 directions ;)
L88[06:32:45] <Hanakocz> there is block missing down
at left
<Hanakocz> there is block missing down
at leftL89[06:32:59] <Joshwoo70> ...yeahh....
<Joshwoo70> ...yeahh....L90[06:33:01] <darkelarious> no?
L91[06:33:18] <Hanakocz> also, this can be made
easily with buildcraft builders , if you had 1.7.10
<Hanakocz> also, this can be made
easily with buildcraft builders , if you had 1.7.10L92[06:33:39] <darkelarious> also for a few
thousand blocks?
L93[06:33:50] <darkelarious> (also, semi
afk from this point on, slowly will contribute in convo)
L94[06:35:18] <Hanakocz> you would need to place the
builder for each section and fill it with blocks
<Hanakocz> you would need to place the
builder for each section and fill it with blocksL95[06:35:48] <Hanakocz> section max would be 64
blocks, and you need one initial image...but well, it can be
semi-automated, probably
<Hanakocz> section max would be 64
blocks, and you need one initial image...but well, it can be
semi-automated, probablyL96[07:00:35] <darkelarious> well, a system
similar to the bore (inverted bore, if you will) that builds indeed
like that
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L98[07:01:10] <WatchtowerOrator> Time for a
new episode from Forecaster! You're welcome!
L99[07:01:10] <WatchtowerOrator> https://youtu.be/Kb9XmtC9z7Y - RailcraftLP [Episode
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L100[07:01:10] <WatchtowerOrator> Tags on
this video: industrialcraft2,reactor,building,crafting
L101[07:01:11] <darkelarious> and if you
just preset 1 "slice" relative to the cart/bore position
then you would have to add the "power wire portals" and
pillars manually
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L103[07:02:31] <Hanakocz> ya I imagined something
like "building bore"
<Hanakocz> ya I imagined something
like "building bore"L104[07:02:54] <darkelarious> I'm
willing to put effort into this btw
L105[07:03:03] <darkelarious> have wide
experience programming,
L106[07:03:19] <darkelarious> but not with
coding for minecraft
L108[07:04:16] <darkelarious> also, if i
manage to contribute with this, I want to try and propose an
alternate or additional power/chunkloading concept
L109[07:04:28] <darkelarious> spot on lol
^
L110[07:04:32] <Hanakocz> go ahead
<Hanakocz> go aheadL111[07:04:47] <darkelarious> I feel
awkward proposing something without being able to contribute
L112[07:04:53] <darkelarious> ok,
basically
L113[07:05:11] <Hanakocz> I have some powers to add
it into the game via my cosmetics mod, if it is easy enough to
actually be doable by me xD
<Hanakocz> I have some powers to add
it into the game via my cosmetics mod, if it is easy enough to
actually be doable by me xDL114[07:05:34] <Hanakocz> thinking and discussion are
also parts of contribution
<Hanakocz> thinking and discussion are
also parts of contributionL115[07:05:44] <darkelarious> so far, I
built my track with block sections --> relay, tracks, receiver
with locking track, signal
L116[07:06:17] <darkelarious> and for high
speed it actually is a bit problematic,
L117[07:06:42] <darkelarious> because the
moment you use booster tracks instead of locking tracks, the moment
the train crosses over into the new section, the tracks power down
and slow down your train
L118[07:07:23] <darkelarious>
additionally, when working with electric tracks (not HS yet btw) I
don't like that you have to pull a wire/scaffolds around your
locking track in order not to break the line
L119[07:07:23] <Hanakocz> there is cable you can
connect those parts
<Hanakocz> there is cable you can
connect those partsL120[07:07:43] <darkelarious> cosmetically
it doesn't look nice, but also, it feels a bit .. unrealistic,
for what that's worth
L121[07:07:50] <darkelarious> so
here's what I have in mind:
L122[07:07:52] <Hanakocz> that is fixed with
1.10.2
<Hanakocz> that is fixed with
1.10.2L123[07:08:10] <darkelarious> ok, i have
questions about that later :P
L124[07:08:20] <Hanakocz> there are main track types,
then you attack functionality thing over them
<Hanakocz> there are main track types,
then you attack functionality thing over themL125[07:08:28] <darkelarious> in the sshot
you saw i use iron fences as portals and bars as cosmetic
wires
L126[07:08:28] <Hanakocz> *atttach
<Hanakocz> *atttachL127[07:08:42] <darkelarious> that's
actually pretty fcking awesome btw (A)
L128[07:08:53] <Hanakocz> move to newer versions!
?
<Hanakocz> move to newer versions!
?L129[07:09:15] <darkelarious> but i also
saw some mod or add-on that there was an electric cart with
pantograph and connecting to some wire
L130[07:09:44] <darkelarious> so basically
if you are able to pull power from the cosmetic bars (or equivalent
power wire) you would not need the concept of electric tracks
anymore
L131[07:09:56] <darkelarious> also,
instead of changing locomotives, you could use a pantograph
cart
L132[07:09:56] <Hanakocz> ya. wires over the top were
discarded as not really doable easily compared to powered
rails
<Hanakocz> ya. wires over the top were
discarded as not really doable easily compared to powered
railsL133[07:10:28] <darkelarious> so where I
am going away from the existing book is this:
L134[07:10:39] <darkelarious> tracks use
resistance/power loss, right?
L135[07:12:36] <Hanakocz> they have some loss, but I
think it is per track per tick
<Hanakocz> they have some loss, but I
think it is per track per tickL136[07:12:37] <Hanakocz> (according to wiki)
<Hanakocz> (according to wiki)L137[07:14:08] <darkelarious> hm, I need
to read up again on https://github.com/Railcraft/Railcraft/issues/480 to
see why it wasn't continued
L138[07:14:13] <darkelarious> if *
L139[07:14:56] <darkelarious> the current
pantograph one seems very elaborate to me,
L140[07:16:05] <darkelarious> if I
disregard game mechanics for a moment (not incorporating loss,
durability, etc) I would say that as long as a single power
provider is connected to the wire network, the entire track should
be powered (disregarding chunkloading)
L141[07:17:19] <darkelarious> so either
you would have to chunkload the entire track in order to check
whether the power wire is actually powered/connected to a power
source
L142[07:18:13] <darkelarious> or, if you
combine this with block section mechanics, you could chunkload the
signal block (plus the one before/after) and check if within this
signal block there is a power source
L143[07:20:12] <darkelarious> assuming
this is midgame or high tier, balance to the game can be restored
to make this use quite some power, but not have loss, or make the
build/wires quite expensive (copper, gold, steel?)
L144[07:20:34] <darkelarious> am I making
sense so far (whether disagreeing or not :P)
L145[07:29:15] <darkelarious> I killed
everyone with the hilarious and impractical idea, didn't
I?
L146[07:29:27] <Forecaster> tld
<Forecaster> tldL147[07:31:26] <darkelarious> wut, as in
" too lon, deleted"? :(
L148[07:31:30] <darkelarious> long*
L149[07:32:30] <Forecaster> tldr*
<Forecaster> tldr*L150[07:32:32] <Forecaster> :P
<Forecaster> :PL151[07:32:42] <Hanakocz> actually
<Hanakocz> actuallyL152[07:32:57] <Hanakocz> I read also through that
issue
<Hanakocz> I read also through that
issueL153[07:33:15] <darkelarious> and imagine
that the wires would not be wires, but just iron bars with a
sligthly different texture like http://cosketch.com/Rooms/mkwwgtf (in red)
L154[07:33:23] <darkelarious> (still
reading the issue, wut)
L155[07:33:35] <Hanakocz> It may work. It may be
really only cosmetic, working exactly with same mechanic as actual
electric track
<Hanakocz> It may work. It may be
really only cosmetic, working exactly with same mechanic as actual
electric trackL156[07:34:27] <Hanakocz> My idea is: make different
model of electric track, that will render normal track and wire
over the track in some (2 blocks?) hieght
<Hanakocz> My idea is: make different
model of electric track, that will render normal track and wire
over the track in some (2 blocks?) hieghtL157[07:35:04] <Hanakocz> it would take VISUALLY
energy from the wire, but the mechanic will be same as today - from
the track
<Hanakocz> it would take VISUALLY
energy from the wire, but the mechanic will be same as today - from
the trackL158[07:35:30] <Hanakocz> so the wire would be only
fake block
<Hanakocz> so the wire would be only
fake blockL159[07:35:44] <darkelarious> that's
actually what I tried to avoid, lol
L160[07:35:53] <Hanakocz> why avoid it?
<Hanakocz> why avoid it?L161[07:36:23] <darkelarious> on the other
hand, you stated that you don't need to interrupt the track
anymore for locking, transition, etc?
L162[07:36:57] <Hanakocz> I think you can put those
kits on actual powered track, if I remember correctly
<Hanakocz> I think you can put those
kits on actual powered track, if I remember correctlyL163[07:37:25] <Hanakocz> with my idea all you need
is to add cosmetic poles
<Hanakocz> with my idea all you need
is to add cosmetic polesL164[07:37:38] <darkelarious> let me put
it this way, I actually imagine that placing 2 seperate blocks
(track, wire) would be a lot easier
L165[07:37:52] <darkelarious> since part
(if not all) of that code was suggested by wookie
L166[07:37:56] <darkelarious> wooky*
L167[07:38:16] <darkelarious> but also, i
have some wires above parts where there's no tracks
L168[07:38:20] <Hanakocz> you don't need two
blocks
<Hanakocz> you don't need two
blocksL169[07:39:18] <darkelarious> i think i
also need to get the latest version to see all of this btw :P
L170[07:39:43] <darkelarious> but as far
as i understand, there are currently 4 types of track, right?
--> wooden, normal, reinforced, high speed
L171[07:39:48] <darkelarious> 5*,
electric
L172[07:40:03] <Hanakocz> I can try to make something
about this with my cosmetic addon, maybe then it may stay there or
being incorporated into RC itself
<Hanakocz> I can try to make something
about this with my cosmetic addon, maybe then it may stay there or
being incorporated into RC itselfL173[07:40:13] <Hanakocz> there is more
<Hanakocz> there is moreL174[07:40:49] <darkelarious> maybe i
should also go with a few more arguments ;)
L175[07:41:01] <darkelarious> imo now
there are a lot of types of tracks, all with
advantages/disadvantages
L176[07:41:10] <darkelarious> steam drives
on all without problem
L177[07:41:21] <darkelarious> steam
locomotives*
L178[07:41:46] <darkelarious> but electric
locomotives obviously need a power source
L179[07:42:05] <darkelarious> and as
discussed a while ago, MFSU carts (etc) are too heavy for high
speed
L180[07:42:05] <Hanakocz> ya, steam is good with
everything
<Hanakocz> ya, steam is good with
everythingL181[07:42:17] <darkelarious> then i heard
stories about diesel, but I don't know how far that is,
L182[07:42:22] <darkelarious> but that
leaves electric begind
L183[07:42:27] <darkelarious>
behind*
L184[07:43:04] <Hanakocz> diesel is still considered,
but there are more important things to finish first
<Hanakocz> diesel is still considered,
but there are more important things to finish firstL185[07:43:05] <darkelarious> my idea
about electric wiring/portals (do we have a unified name for this
btw?) is that you can basically invest materials/blocks into making
every type of track compatible with any kind of track
L186[07:43:18] <darkelarious> argh
L187[07:43:35] <darkelarious> my idea
about electric wiring/portals (do we have a unified name for this
btw?) is that you can basically invest materials/blocks into making
every type of track compatible with electric locomotives**
L188[07:43:53] <Hanakocz> it works that you get track
kit item, for example for speed track, then you can apply it at any
base track
<Hanakocz> it works that you get track
kit item, for example for speed track, then you can apply it at any
base trackL189[07:44:03] <darkelarious> i know
L190[07:44:34] <Hanakocz> so you would want some kit
that makes the track powered?
<Hanakocz> so you would want some kit
that makes the track powered?L191[07:44:35] <darkelarious> but what if
i want part high speed, part normal or wooden, part reinforced at
risky places, and all electrified?
L192[07:44:43] <darkelarious>
theoretically yes,
L193[07:44:56] <darkelarious> but instead
of applying the kit, i would apply a electric wire on top
instead
L194[07:45:01] <darkelarious> just like
IRL,
L195[07:45:39] <darkelarious> and then we
could argue about the power grid requirements and so on
L196[07:46:00] <Hanakocz> so basically that would
mean track kit that applied to any track would make it electric
track, with fake wire on top, but the energy would be provided from
track xD
<Hanakocz> so basically that would
mean track kit that applied to any track would make it electric
track, with fake wire on top, but the energy would be provided from
track xDL197[07:46:01] <darkelarious> i mean, IRL
you see power stations every X kilometers, not every X meters
L198[07:46:10] <darkelarious> rofl
L199[07:46:17] <darkelarious> well, if
that's how it can be made working :P
L200[07:46:30] <Hanakocz> that can be made quite
easily
<Hanakocz> that can be made quite
easilyL201[07:47:19] <darkelarious> and then
instead of having electric carts pull energy with the locomotive, I
would ask for a pantograph cart
L202[07:47:21] <Hanakocz> as by applying kit the
track changes their model (thats how you cna get wire), also the
electric track has everything else needed
<Hanakocz> as by applying kit the
track changes their model (thats how you cna get wire), also the
electric track has everything else neededL203[07:47:26] <darkelarious> which has
storage capacity as well
L204[07:47:46] <Hanakocz> Having custom loco model
with pantograph might be part of it, ya
<Hanakocz> Having custom loco model
with pantograph might be part of it, yaL205[07:48:53] <darkelarious> but then
mfsu carts should not get powered by this, not sure how that works
now
L206[07:49:09] <Hanakocz> they don't afaik
<Hanakocz> they don't afaikL207[07:49:20] <Hanakocz> that is based on their
battery type
<Hanakocz> that is based on their
battery typeL208[07:49:45] <Hanakocz> there is storage, consumer
and generator type of battery
<Hanakocz> there is storage, consumer
and generator type of batteryL209[07:50:38] <Hanakocz> storage gets power only
from energy loaders, and can provide energy to consumers, consumers
can get energy from track/generators/storages
<Hanakocz> storage gets power only
from energy loaders, and can provide energy to consumers, consumers
can get energy from track/generators/storagesL210[07:50:41] <Forecaster> a pantograph for electric
locomotives has been attempted
<Forecaster> a pantograph for electric
locomotives has been attemptedL211[07:51:01] <Forecaster> it was stopped because
how it looked in corners I believe
<Forecaster> it was stopped because
how it looked in corners I believeL212[07:51:42] <Hanakocz> Ya I fear of corners,
too
<Hanakocz> Ya I fear of corners,
tooL213[07:51:57] <darkelarious> how does
that work exactly?
L214[07:52:04] <darkelarious> that it
doesn't turn nicely?
L215[07:52:56] <Hanakocz> with new JSON model system
I can easily detect that track is turn one, then make the wire
according to that, though
<Hanakocz> with new JSON model system
I can easily detect that track is turn one, then make the wire
according to that, thoughL216[07:53:08] <Hanakocz> or the slope
<Hanakocz> or the slopeL217[07:53:18] <darkelarious> use the same
mechanics as iron bars?
L218[07:53:30] <darkelarious> or
glass?
L219[07:53:30] <Hanakocz> no, not at all iron
bars
<Hanakocz> no, not at all iron
barsL220[07:53:33] <Forecaster> this was last ventured
into during 1.7 where there was no json models
<Forecaster> this was last ventured
into during 1.7 where there was no json modelsL221[07:53:45] <Forecaster> anyway it's an open
project
<Forecaster> anyway it's an open
projectL222[07:53:53] <Forecaster> there's an issue
about it somewhere I believe
<Forecaster> there's an issue
about it somewhere I believeL223[07:53:57] <darkelarious> btw, if
i'm suggesting something stupid, please say so -- at least
then I know that it's stupid too :D
L224[07:53:58] <Hanakocz> ya, I am now thinking about
maybe working on it now xD
<Hanakocz> ya, I am now thinking about
maybe working on it now xDL225[07:54:06] <Hanakocz> ya we had the link
there
<Hanakocz> ya we had the link
thereL226[07:54:19] <Forecaster> it's not stupid,
just a tricky problem :P
<Forecaster> it's not stupid,
just a tricky problem :PL227[07:54:28] <Hanakocz> ^
<Hanakocz> ^L228[07:54:41] <Forecaster> because CJ wants it to
look good, ie the pantograph following the wire
<Forecaster> because CJ wants it to
look good, ie the pantograph following the wireL229[07:54:44] <Forecaster> at all times
<Forecaster> at all timesL230[07:54:59] <Hanakocz> I may try something about
that ?
<Hanakocz> I may try something about
that ?L231[07:55:11] <Forecaster> one could make an addon
that doesn't follow this however
<Forecaster> one could make an addon
that doesn't follow this howeverL232[07:55:37] <Hanakocz> if the wire follows the
track, then the cart follows the track, then the pantograph follows
the track ?
<Hanakocz> if the wire follows the
track, then the cart follows the track, then the pantograph follows
the track ?L233[07:55:57] <darkelarious> CJ is not
the only one (A)
L234[07:55:58] <Hanakocz> more work would be on
junctions though
<Hanakocz> more work would be on
junctions thoughL235[07:56:02] <Forecaster> depends on the design of
the wire and the pantograph
<Forecaster> depends on the design of
the wire and the pantographL236[07:56:18] <darkelarious> same
orientation as the cart?
L237[07:56:35] <Hanakocz> I imagine pantograph being
solid part of loco model, and wire being the part of track
<Hanakocz> I imagine pantograph being
solid part of loco model, and wire being the part of trackL238[07:56:45] <darkelarious> ^
L239[07:56:59] <darkelarious> my fear now
is slopes, then
L240[07:57:00] <Hanakocz> then it is always at same
distance and orientation and whatever
<Hanakocz> then it is always at same
distance and orientation and whateverL241[07:57:08] <Hanakocz> slopes not hard
<Hanakocz> slopes not hardL242[07:57:17] <Hanakocz> we have json models
now
<Hanakocz> we have json models
nowL243[07:57:22] <darkelarious> solid part
of loco or cart model gets my vote if i have anything to say about
this at all :)
L244[07:57:28] <LuigiHutch> He wanted the wire
similar to the IE wires where they 'hang' iirc
<LuigiHutch> He wanted the wire
similar to the IE wires where they 'hang' iircL245[07:57:47] <darkelarious> Immersive
Engineering does this btw
L246[07:57:53] <darkelarious> looks great,
but wires aren't solid
L247[07:58:07] <Hanakocz> those won't be solid
neither
<Hanakocz> those won't be solid
neitherL248[07:58:19] <darkelarious> hm?
L249[07:59:07] <darkelarious> note to
self: manual exits and disembarking tracks **
L250[07:59:09] <Hanakocz> Poles to let the wire hang
would be additional block that you would need place manually
though, and if you place it at the side of track, it would connect
optically, so it would look like hanging wire
<Hanakocz> Poles to let the wire hang
would be additional block that you would need place manually
though, and if you place it at the side of track, it would connect
optically, so it would look like hanging wireL251[07:59:24] <darkelarious> ow that
would be severely awesome
L252[07:59:45] <darkelarious> still, i
think that "wire" should be specified as an upper
(carrying) line and the actual power wire
L253[07:59:56] <Hanakocz> all it needs is to maintain
always the same height etc
<Hanakocz> all it needs is to maintain
always the same height etcL254[08:00:05] <darkelarious> otherwise
you get the wooky-like looking wire, and i think that makes the
pantograph stand out too high
L255[08:00:38] <Hanakocz> well, if one or two
wires...depends on what we will be able to do with model
<Hanakocz> well, if one or two
wires...depends on what we will be able to do with modelL256[08:01:04] <Hanakocz> probably it would need
32x32 models for block though, to look good
<Hanakocz> probably it would need
32x32 models for block though, to look goodL257[08:01:26] <darkelarious> i spent some
time playing with different wires, blocks, fences, etc to see what
looks nice,
L258[08:01:47] <darkelarious> so far, IC2
iron fences look nice because they don't connect to blocks in
tunnels,
L259[08:01:54] <Hanakocz> there is that thing that it
will count with really a lot - that you can make fake model parts
outside of bounding box of actual block ?
<Hanakocz> there is that thing that it
will count with really a lot - that you can make fake model parts
outside of bounding box of actual block ?L260[08:02:07] <darkelarious> heh
L261[08:02:45] <darkelarious> IC2 fences
as portal/mounting points, but for the wire, the IC2 wires look
"not nice"
L262[08:02:57] <Hanakocz> also poles would probably
be 2block multiblock, I already made something like that when I was
making my 2block crops for one unfinished mod
<Hanakocz> also poles would probably
be 2block multiblock, I already made something like that when I was
making my 2block crops for one unfinished modL263[08:03:08] <darkelarious> 2
block?
L264[08:03:22] <darkelarious> i have 4
high, 1 above the wire
L265[08:03:23] <Hanakocz> ya, wire would be on top of
2nd block, not 3rd
<Hanakocz> ya, wire would be on top of
2nd block, not 3rdL266[08:03:30] <darkelarious> oh
L267[08:03:40] <darkelarious> that makes
sense,
L268[08:03:42] <Hanakocz> 3 is too high compared to
actual railcraft style/size of carts
<Hanakocz> 3 is too high compared to
actual railcraft style/size of cartsL269[08:03:51] <darkelarious> bottom of 3
:)
L270[08:04:02] <darkelarious> but
that's what i had in mind when i suggested the two-wire
system
L271[08:04:31] <darkelarious> on the other
hand, if the wires are not solid, then it could be from 1.5 to 2
high since it won't hurt the player
L272[08:04:46] <Hanakocz> it should be able to fit
into two blocks so you can make the railcraft posts with signals on
3rd block
<Hanakocz> it should be able to fit
into two blocks so you can make the railcraft posts with signals on
3rd blockL273[08:04:53] <darkelarious> i agree that
https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/460371/5953889/0232a1ae-a74d-11e4-9175-48369dd95268.png
doesn't look that well with 3 high
L274[08:05:12] <darkelarious> ow shoot, i
never thought about signals at 3 high lik
L275[08:05:13] <darkelarious> lol
L276[08:05:27] <Hanakocz> ya, exactly, it would look
way better when one block lower
<Hanakocz> ya, exactly, it would look
way better when one block lowerL277[08:05:31] <Forecaster> also, with being able to
electrify all track types pantographs are less useful aren't
they?
<Forecaster> also, with being able to
electrify all track types pantographs are less useful aren't
they?L278[08:05:45] <Forecaster> the main reason for
adding them was the previous limitations in the tracks
<Forecaster> the main reason for
adding them was the previous limitations in the tracksL279[08:06:01] <Hanakocz> I think about it as only
cosmetic thingie
<Hanakocz> I think about it as only
cosmetic thingieL280[08:06:27] <Hanakocz> being the electric track
still, but looking different, as the functionality is not
needed
<Hanakocz> being the electric track
still, but looking different, as the functionality is not
neededL281[08:06:54] <Hanakocz> also this electric track
might have disabled electric damage from walking there....but if
you jump... ?
<Hanakocz> also this electric track
might have disabled electric damage from walking there....but if
you jump... ?L282[08:07:41] <Hanakocz> (that would make real issue
when disembarking the cart though, as it puts player on top of the
cart instead of sideways
<Hanakocz> (that would make real issue
when disembarking the cart though, as it puts player on top of the
cart instead of sidewaysL283[08:08:08] <Hanakocz> so it might be also safe
variant, if one thinks about it
<Hanakocz> so it might be also safe
variant, if one thinks about itL284[08:08:51] <Hanakocz> but as far as I know this,
when one gets into coding it, a lot of thoughts will be crushed by
how the code really works now ?
<Hanakocz> but as far as I know this,
when one gets into coding it, a lot of thoughts will be crushed by
how the code really works now ?L285[08:12:28] <darkelarious> well, my
hole idea started with "sheez, there are so many different
tracks, but not the electric ones I need" :)
L286[08:13:26] <darkelarious> pantographs
are cosmetic if the wire becomes a kit
L287[08:13:34] <darkelarious> actually,
pantographs are cosmetic, period
L288[08:14:04] <Hanakocz> that is why we have there
cosmetic addon :3
<Hanakocz> that is why we have there
cosmetic addon :3L289[08:14:25] <darkelarious> even with a
physical wire above the track, the locomotive would be able to
detect it and draw power from it
L290[08:14:35] <Hanakocz> so real RC guys are not
stressed with people asking the thing that won't add
functionality xD
<Hanakocz> so real RC guys are not
stressed with people asking the thing that won't add
functionality xDL291[08:14:45] <darkelarious> omfg,
rofl
L292[08:15:07] <Hanakocz> btw. you did seen it
actually?
<Hanakocz> btw. you did seen it
actually?L293[08:15:13] <darkelarious> only in
sshots
L294[08:15:17] <Hanakocz> it is not for 1.6.4
though
<Hanakocz> it is not for 1.6.4
thoughL295[08:15:21] <darkelarious> obviously
:)
L296[08:15:34] <NightwolfBlue> kind looks like a ski
lift
<NightwolfBlue> kind looks like a ski
liftL297[08:15:39] <darkelarious> but i have a
legit account and a pc that can run the latest version afaik
L298[08:15:54] <darkelarious> so far i
only played on my own-hosted servers,
L299[08:16:08] <darkelarious> never felt
the need to join public servers, but for this kind of thing
i'll be all to happy to try
L300[08:16:12] <Hanakocz> I need to finish this last
Couch cart I have unfinished¨
<Hanakocz> I need to finish this last
Couch cart I have unfinished¨L301[08:17:56] <Hanakocz> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/208647837498474497/315248391820935168/2017-05-17_20.06.55.png
<Hanakocz> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/208647837498474497/315248391820935168/2017-05-17_20.06.55.pngL302[08:18:07] <darkelarious> oh wow
L303[08:18:08] <darkelarious> nice
L304[08:18:22] <darkelarious> but now it
looks more like a toy train :(
L305[08:18:36] <darkelarious> still, i
think it looks awesome
L306[08:18:58] <darkelarious> especially
the wheel carriages
L307[08:19:58] <Hanakocz> All our carts do share same
wheel base
<Hanakocz> All our carts do share same
wheel baseL308[08:20:47] <Forecaster> the official railcraft
server is not public :P
<Forecaster> the official railcraft
server is not public :PL309[08:23:37] <Hanakocz> hm, we really need to put
more and new pictures on RCC site @Kurogari
<Hanakocz> hm, we really need to put
more and new pictures on RCC site @KurogariL310[08:24:22] <darkelarious> does that
mean I'm not invited? ;(
L311[08:24:37] <Joshwoo70> andd i need to poke kuro
for some stuff... she havent responded yet :/
<Joshwoo70> andd i need to poke kuro
for some stuff... she havent responded yet :/L312[08:24:41] <darkelarious> actually, I
don't even have any idea how i'm supposed to join with
all the packs and stuff :P
L313[08:24:48] <Joshwoo70> dark : signup thru
patreon
<Joshwoo70> dark : signup thru
patreonL315[08:25:25] <Hanakocz> josh, ya you should, she
might have time now
<Hanakocz> josh, ya you should, she
might have time nowL316[08:25:41] <Joshwoo70> true
<Joshwoo70> trueL317[08:26:32] *
darkelarious never heard of patreon, lol
L318[08:29:42] <Hanakocz> it is meant to support your
favourite creators so they can create without so big issues about
other things
<Hanakocz> it is meant to support your
favourite creators so they can create without so big issues about
other thingsL319[08:30:23] <Hanakocz> heck, some of them do earn
their living through that, having their crative activity instead of
regular work xD
<Hanakocz> heck, some of them do earn
their living through that, having their crative activity instead of
regular work xDL320[08:30:39] <darkelarious> @patreon,
are anonymous accounts/nicknames allowed?
L321[08:31:20] <darkelarious> payment
method required?
L322[08:32:51] <Joshwoo70> 1. nope
<Joshwoo70> 1. nopeL323[08:33:04] <Joshwoo70> 2. paypal probably credit
would do
<Joshwoo70> 2. paypal probably credit
would doL324[08:33:14] <Joshwoo70> and patreon is a bot
?
<Joshwoo70> and patreon is a bot
?L325[08:34:08] <Joshwoo70> also dark.. join discord
?
<Joshwoo70> also dark.. join discord
?L326[08:34:12] <Joshwoo70> so i can ping you
<Joshwoo70> so i can ping youL327[08:34:17] <darkelarious> lol, meant
to say it as "regarding patreon", didn't notice an
actual username like patreon :p
L328[08:34:31] <Hanakocz> it is a role
<Hanakocz> it is a roleL329[08:34:42] <darkelarious> also,
I'm this kind of user: https://xkcd.com/1782/
L330[08:34:49] <Hanakocz> no. that is Patron.
<Hanakocz> no. that is Patron.L331[08:36:06] <darkelarious> wugh..
required payments.. /me puts off patreon until a later moment
L332[08:37:04] <Hanakocz> well, it is monetary
support, ya. If you are able to support the RC project other ways,
talk with CJ, he is cool with people helping ?
<Hanakocz> well, it is monetary
support, ya. If you are able to support the RC project other ways,
talk with CJ, he is cool with people helping ?L333[08:38:07] <darkelarious> lots of
argument in my head atm, one of them about the preferred payment
method not being compatible with what I have available, the concept
of the 5% patreon holding, and a lot more :P
L334[08:38:33] <darkelarious> too much for
what I want right now, will make a note and argue with myself at a
later point whether i want this or not
L335[08:38:40] <darkelarious> for now,
back to actual fun chat :)
L336[08:38:46] <Joshwoo70> yep
<Joshwoo70> yepL337[08:39:26] <Joshwoo70> also i have economy clss
becuz i basically started the whole server. :P
<Joshwoo70> also i have economy clss
becuz i basically started the whole server. :PL338[08:39:47] <darkelarious> lel
L339[08:39:57] <Joshwoo70> some others have economy
class on discord because of relationships.
<Joshwoo70> some others have economy
class on discord because of relationships.L340[08:40:00] <darkelarious> speaking of
servers, what kinds of specs does a modern server need?
L341[08:40:43] <Joshwoo70> get a hosting site
<Joshwoo70> get a hosting siteL342[08:40:58] <Hanakocz> the best CPU, SSD disc,
Enough RAM (10GB for big modded server is optionally good, but it
can run with 5 or similar)
<Hanakocz> the best CPU, SSD disc,
Enough RAM (10GB for big modded server is optionally good, but it
can run with 5 or similar)L343[08:41:03] <Joshwoo70> akliz.. cubedhost or what
evs
<Joshwoo70> akliz.. cubedhost or what
evsL344[08:41:11] <darkelarious> stubborn as
I am, I want to be able to kick my server from the range of my desk
:)
L345[08:41:16] <Hanakocz> and ya, everything of that
in datacentre with major net cable
<Hanakocz> and ya, everything of that
in datacentre with major net cableL346[08:41:26] <darkelarious> those i can
arrange, what about CPU?
L347[08:41:38] *
darkelarious is thinking 2000 bucks budget
L348[08:41:40] <Joshwoo70> a good cpu
<Joshwoo70> a good cpuL349[08:41:45] <darkelarious> thanks. so
helpful.
L350[08:41:46] <darkelarious> :P
L351[08:41:47] <Hanakocz> the best
<Hanakocz> the bestL352[08:41:55] <darkelarious> that is
arguable :P
L353[08:41:56] <Joshwoo70> probably a intel i7
<Joshwoo70> probably a intel i7L354[08:42:00] <Joshwoo70> with overclocked
<Joshwoo70> with overclockedL355[08:42:06] <darkelarious> ok, now
that's something I can search for :P
L356[08:42:13] <darkelarious> :)
L357[08:42:15] <Joshwoo70> i7 7700k
<Joshwoo70> i7 7700kL359[08:44:37] <Joshwoo70> hi
<Joshwoo70> hiL360[08:44:37] <Hanakocz> sadly MC is not able to
utilize more cores yet....and possibly never
<Hanakocz> sadly MC is not able to
utilize more cores yet....and possibly neverL361[08:44:49] <Joshwoo70> your on a rock floating in
space
<Joshwoo70> your on a rock floating in
spaceL362[08:44:55] <Joshwoo70> pretty cool huh?
<Joshwoo70> pretty cool huh?L363[08:46:03] <Forecaster> I have an i7, earlier
gen
<Forecaster> I have an i7, earlier
genL364[08:46:05] <Forecaster> works great
<Forecaster> works greatL365[08:49:46] <darkelarious> not? what
about -XX:ParallelGCThreads=7
L366[08:50:28] <darkelarious> hm, nvm
that
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L368[08:52:18] <darkelarious> so yeah..
what's the last public version? 10.1.0?
L369[08:56:46] <Joshwoo70> #announcements
<Joshwoo70> #announcementsL370[08:56:55] <Joshwoo70> also join discord
<Joshwoo70> also join discordL371[08:57:05]
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L373[09:00:49] *
darkelarious doesn't do discord :)
L374[09:01:12] <darkelarious> at least not
until pidgin supports it
L375[09:01:25] <Hanakocz> it can run in browser
xD
<Hanakocz> it can run in browser
xDL376[09:01:36] <Hanakocz> but well, we have
relay
<Hanakocz> but well, we have
relayL377[09:02:38] ⇦
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L379[09:03:27] <MrConductor> *
<Forecaster> uses both irc and discord
L380[09:03:34] <Forecaster> nothing has exploded so
far
<Forecaster> nothing has exploded so
farL381[09:03:38] <darkelarious> yep
L382[09:03:40] <darkelarious> heh
L383[09:03:58] <Forecaster> Like so
L384[09:04:04] <Forecaster> and all is well
<Forecaster> and all is wellL385[09:04:40] <darkelarious> but also,
this linux user here kept his system running by not installing all
these kinds of social junk :)
L386[09:05:09] <darkelarious> still
running a 2014 linux install and somehow everything is holding
together with duct tape and patches
L387[09:05:14] <Forecaster> if that breaks your
system you're doing a terrible job :P
<Forecaster> if that breaks your
system you're doing a terrible job :PL388[09:05:28] <darkelarious> but because
stupid AMD is not maintaining my linux graphical drivers, I
can't update or reinstall
L389[09:05:38] <darkelarious> it's
the ati drivers that are my problem
L390[09:05:50] <darkelarious> and the
newer drivers somehow make it impossible to look at my screen
L391[09:06:00] <darkelarious> ah
well
L392[09:06:09] <Forecaster> is it the update with the
bees?
<Forecaster> is it the update with the
bees?L393[09:06:17] <Forecaster> avoid the drivers with
the bees
<Forecaster> avoid the drivers with
the beesL394[09:06:25] <darkelarious> bees?
wut?
L395[09:06:27] <Hanakocz> avoid drunk drivers
<Hanakocz> avoid drunk driversL396[09:06:35] <darkelarious> gflrx
drivers in case you cared :)
L397[09:06:58] <Forecaster> if your screen hurts your
eyes it's probably related to bees
<Forecaster> if your screen hurts your
eyes it's probably related to beesL398[09:06:59] <darkelarious> jokes apart,
it is a pain that i can't update my system
L399[09:07:11] <Forecaster> maybe it's time to
upgrade :P
<Forecaster> maybe it's time to
upgrade :PL400[09:07:14] <darkelarious> but somehow
it's still running perfectly fin
L401[09:07:15] <darkelarious> e
L402[09:07:16] <Hanakocz> they try to tell you
"hey, get the new computer!"
<Hanakocz> they try to tell you
"hey, get the new computer!"L403[09:07:18] <Forecaster> the hardware
<Forecaster> the hardwareL404[09:07:41] <darkelarious> this is a
2000 euro pc from 2015
L405[09:07:58] <darkelarious> and mid 2016
ati decided to go with a new driver and not maintain the old
ones
L406[09:08:00] <Hanakocz> never choose amd again
xD
<Hanakocz> never choose amd again
xDL407[09:08:14] <darkelarious> amd >
intel/nvidia :)
L408[09:08:24] <darkelarious> had one
intel card, never again
L409[09:08:26] <Hanakocz> obviously
<Hanakocz> obviouslyL410[09:08:35] <Hanakocz> well intel is shit ,
ya
<Hanakocz> well intel is shit ,
yaL411[09:08:38] <Forecaster> you say that but
I've not had any issues with my nvidia
<Forecaster> you say that but
I've not had any issues with my nvidiaL412[09:08:41] <Forecaster> :P
<Forecaster> :PL413[09:08:41] <Hanakocz> at least for graphics
<Hanakocz> at least for graphicsL414[09:09:12] <darkelarious> no, i'm
a realist in that sense, my desktop is mostly AMD, server mostly
intel
L415[09:09:33] <darkelarious> amd is cost
effective, intel mostly for performance
L416[09:09:39] <darkelarious> though
lately AMD is pretty well in that respec
L417[09:09:39] <darkelarious> t
L419[09:09:57] <darkelarious> but it
really sucks badly that my current videocard is not included in the
driver
L420[09:10:15] <darkelarious> lmao @
gif
L421[09:10:25] <Forecaster> you could get a newer
card that a 2015 one for pretty cheap probably
<Forecaster> you could get a newer
card that a 2015 one for pretty cheap probablyL422[09:10:34] <Forecaster> that might help :P
<Forecaster> that might help :PL423[09:10:38] <Forecaster> it doesn't have to
be cutting edge
<Forecaster> it doesn't have to
be cutting edgeL424[09:10:46] <Forecaster> and you don't have
to replace the entire rig
<Forecaster> and you don't have
to replace the entire rigL425[09:11:21] <Hanakocz> I really need to replace my
nvidia 730M
<Hanakocz> I really need to replace my
nvidia 730ML426[09:11:25] <Forecaster> but hey, this is all
irrelevant because discord runs in a browser and is almost exactly
the same :P
<Forecaster> but hey, this is all
irrelevant because discord runs in a browser and is almost exactly
the same :PL427[09:11:39] <Forecaster> installation is 100%
optional
<Forecaster> installation is 100%
optionalL428[09:12:25] <darkelarious> I stick with
the original xkcd reference.
L429[09:12:42] <darkelarious> when pidgin
comes with a nice, working plugin we'll talk again :P
L430[09:12:54] <Forecaster> I don't really
care
<Forecaster> I don't really
careL431[09:13:08] <Forecaster> I made my case
<Forecaster> I made my caseL432[09:14:04] <darkelarious> <3
L433[09:14:20] <darkelarious> (this kind
of reasoning should be heard more often too)
L434[09:14:31] <Forecaster> what?
<Forecaster> what?L435[09:14:43] <darkelarious>
"duncare, made my point, do what you want with it"
L436[09:15:14] <darkelarious> about
pantographs, electric wires and kits, anything I can try and
contribute?
L437[09:15:28] <darkelarious> albeit
logic, reading up on the languages/concepts used, etc?
L438[09:15:41] <Forecaster> I dunno, I've not
kept track of that project
<Forecaster> I dunno, I've not
kept track of that projectL439[09:15:50] <Forecaster> and I mostly see it as
irrelevant now
<Forecaster> and I mostly see it as
irrelevant nowL440[09:16:13] <Forecaster> I saw it as a solution to
the track limitations that were in place before
<Forecaster> I saw it as a solution to
the track limitations that were in place beforeL441[09:18:00] <darkelarious> ow, and the
whole discussion started because i was asking if locs draw water
from carts in 1.6.4 >_<
L442[09:20:02] <Forecaster> I'm just busy making
a vault on the server :P
<Forecaster> I'm just busy making
a vault on the server :PL443[09:21:13] <darkelarious> heh
L444[09:29:13] <darkelarious> anyway,
looks like this was added in 1.7.10 with rc 9.7.0.0, that's
the only mention i can find in the changelog
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L448[10:31:25] <Hanakocz> I also see it as purely
cosmetic thingie , thus pretty good one to implement into Cosmetics
addon. I will try to work on it ?
<Hanakocz> I also see it as purely
cosmetic thingie , thus pretty good one to implement into Cosmetics
addon. I will try to work on it ?L449[10:46:58]
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L452[11:42:33] <darkelarious> ow, forgot
to check, electric tracks are now achievable through kits?
L453[11:42:37] <darkelarious> and kits can
be stacked?
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L461[13:09:46] <liach>
no
<liach>
noL462[13:10:06] <liach>
@Forecaster Electric tracks are track types
<liach>
@Forecaster Electric tracks are track typesL463[13:10:42] <Forecaster> oh, right
<Forecaster> oh, rightL464[13:10:58] <Forecaster> darkelarious liach is
right
<Forecaster> darkelarious liach is
rightL465[13:11:12] <Forecaster> track kits are for
special tracks like locking and such
<Forecaster> track kits are for
special tracks like locking and suchL466[13:11:24] <Forecaster> but there's HS
electric track now
<Forecaster> but there's HS
electric track nowL467[13:13:12] <darkelarious> since were
talking about electric tracks as kits earlier in regard to the
power wire on top / pantographs
L468[13:13:33] <darkelarious> but i
figured that this would work regardless of the (cosmetic)
pantograph wire
L469[13:13:56] <darkelarious> so wooden
tracks could be electric, hs tracks could be made electric, and it
saves you an entire track type
L470[13:14:21] <Forecaster> that was the original
idea
<Forecaster> that was the original
ideaL471[13:21:27] <liach>
Cantographs should be more expensive then
<liach>
Cantographs should be more expensive thenL472[13:29:19] <darkelarious> or the rail
kit could be the price of the original electric track
L473[13:29:33] <darkelarious> little thing
i noticed, the pantograph by wooky used steel
L474[13:29:43] <darkelarious> but IRL
pantographs are made from coal/graphite
L475[13:30:55] <darkelarious> maybe some
elaborate rolling machine recipe to turn 6 coal into 1 pantograph
plate or so
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L477[13:43:32] <Hanakocz> I would aim for some
gregtechy recipe, you would get some proper one for sure xD
<Hanakocz> I would aim for some
gregtechy recipe, you would get some proper one for sure xDL478[13:44:18] <darkelarious> heh
L479[13:44:37] <darkelarious> actually, I
spent most of the day today reading up on writing minecraft
mods
L480[13:44:42] <darkelarious> ... and
I'm so confused now lol
L481[13:45:41] <Hanakocz> you better read through
some code actually ?
<Hanakocz> you better read through
some code actually ?L482[13:46:02] <Hanakocz> but not Railcraft itself,
that one is too big and labyrinthed xD
<Hanakocz> but not Railcraft itself,
that one is too big and labyrinthed xDL483[13:46:50] ⇦
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L485[15:34:25] <CovertJaguar> There is an issue
somewhere about upgrade kits that can be used to upgrade track
types from one to another
<CovertJaguar> There is an issue
somewhere about upgrade kits that can be used to upgrade track
types from one to anotherL486[15:34:39] <CovertJaguar> GeneralCamo is working
on it
<CovertJaguar> GeneralCamo is working
on itL487[15:35:30] <CovertJaguar> Also yeah my main issue
with the pantographs was how ugly the prototype looked and how
tedious placing the wires was
<CovertJaguar> Also yeah my main issue
with the pantographs was how ugly the prototype looked and how
tedious placing the wires wasL488[15:36:16] <CovertJaguar> Ideally you just have
to place poles and they draw lines between the for the wires
<CovertJaguar> Ideally you just have
to place poles and they draw lines between the for the wiresL489[15:36:33] <CovertJaguar> Ideally you just have
to place poles and they'd draw lines between the for the
wires
<CovertJaguar> Ideally you just have
to place poles and they'd draw lines between the for the
wiresL490[15:38:15] <CovertJaguar> And the pantograph
itself would be fully articulated, extend backward, and try to
maintain height and position above the track at all times
<CovertJaguar> And the pantograph
itself would be fully articulated, extend backward, and try to
maintain height and position above the track at all timesL491[15:38:31] <CovertJaguar> It's doable, just
need some math worked out
<CovertJaguar> It's doable, just
need some math worked outL492[15:38:39] <Forecaster> transitions into/out of
slopes would be tricky as well
<Forecaster> transitions into/out of
slopes would be tricky as wellL493[15:38:52] <CovertJaguar> Yeah
<CovertJaguar> YeahL494[15:40:07] <CovertJaguar> The poles themselves
would also probably need a special application of the charge
network
<CovertJaguar> The poles themselves
would also probably need a special application of the charge
networkL495[15:40:37] <CovertJaguar> IE non adjacent node
support
<CovertJaguar> IE non adjacent node
supportL496[15:40:47] <CovertJaguar> But that's
probably not too hard
<CovertJaguar> But that's
probably not too hardL497[15:41:11] <CovertJaguar> As it's just
another set of connection rules and there are already three of
those
<CovertJaguar> As it's just
another set of connection rules and there are already three of
thoseL498[15:42:03] <CovertJaguar> The cart would probably
be require to pull power from the poles as it passed them
<CovertJaguar> The cart would probably
be require to pull power from the poles as it passed themL499[15:42:42] <CovertJaguar> So there would be a non
contiguous source of power, but thats probably fine
<CovertJaguar> So there would be a non
contiguous source of power, but thats probably fineL500[15:43:28] <Forecaster> unless you let the poles
power nearby carts
<Forecaster> unless you let the poles
power nearby cartsL501[15:43:32] <Forecaster> at range
<Forecaster> at rangeL502[15:43:58] <CovertJaguar> I suppose you could do
that
<CovertJaguar> I suppose you could do
thatL503[15:44:13] <CovertJaguar> Kind of like how
signals work
<CovertJaguar> Kind of like how
signals workL504[15:44:24] <Forecaster> yeah
<Forecaster> yeahL505[15:44:40] <Forecaster> ie only on the track the
poles are touching
<Forecaster> ie only on the track the
poles are touchingL506[15:45:13] <CovertJaguar> Most of that code
already exists in the signals
<CovertJaguar> Most of that code
already exists in the signalsL507[15:46:49] <CovertJaguar> Anyway I'd happily
include a _good_ implementation of pantographs into Railcraft, but
needs to look good and be easy to use
<CovertJaguar> Anyway I'd happily
include a _good_ implementation of pantographs into Railcraft, but
needs to look good and be easy to useL508[16:09:27]
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L510[16:31:25] <darkelarious> for the
wires/joints/poles, Immersive Engineering has some nice-looking
things
L511[16:31:53] <darkelarious> as for the
poles, I think the cosmetic version with kits/tracks is also a nice
way
L512[16:32:38] <darkelarious> perhaps
different textures or shapes as well, so you can make the
old-fashioned look vs the modern, bullet train-like look
L513[16:33:14] <darkelarious> and to go in
overdrive, TGV poles have a third telegraph line which looks nice
as well
L514[16:39:26] <darkelarious> stupid
question. is the railcraft code open-source?
L515[16:39:49] <Forecaster> no
<Forecaster> noL516[16:39:53] <Forecaster> it's
visible-source
<Forecaster> it's
visible-sourceL517[16:40:09] <darkelarious> actually
that's a nice difference you make
L518[16:40:12] <darkelarious> but ok
L519[16:40:33] <Forecaster> what
<Forecaster> whatL520[16:41:03] <darkelarious> i often
consider open source and visible source the same thing, that's
why it's nice that you point out the difference
L521[16:41:09] <darkelarious> where is it,
github?
L522[16:41:18] <Forecaster> I didn't point out
any differences :P
<Forecaster> I didn't point out
any differences :PL523[16:44:24] <darkelarious> well, i said
open-source, you corrected me with visible-source, so obviously
there's a difference that you pointed out :)
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L526[17:17:35] <CovertJaguar> yes, open
source implies that you can redistribute the sources, visible
source however implies that all rights remain reserved unless
specified otherwise
L527[17:17:53] <CovertJaguar> its a pretty
big difference in terms of legality
L528[17:21:57] <Forecaster> I guess I implied that
there's a difference by correcting you
<Forecaster> I guess I implied that
there's a difference by correcting youL529[17:22:57] <darkelarious> :)
L530[17:23:09] <darkelarious> but indeed,
as CJ says, there's a huge legal difference
L531[17:24:08] <darkelarious> but somehow
I don't think there will be a huge legal case if i take a
piece of code out of context, mod it to do what I want, then hand
it back to you as a suggestion
L532[17:24:10] <darkelarious> :)
L533[17:24:27] <darkelarious> for now, I
will already be happy to understand the general structure of mods
in minecraft
L534[17:32:09] <Forecaster> Contributions are
different
<Forecaster> Contributions are
differentL535[17:32:16] <CovertJaguar> yeah,
forking for PR purposes are allowed via the Github license
L536[17:32:33] <CovertJaguar> that you
implicitly agree to by uploading to github
L537[17:32:36] <Forecaster> There's an agreement
for those
<Forecaster> There's an agreement
for thoseL538[17:32:58] <Forecaster> For contributing to the
repo in any way
<Forecaster> For contributing to the
repo in any wayL539[17:33:26] <CovertJaguar> you just
aren't allowed to post the sources elsewhere or distribute
compiled binaries
L540[17:33:49] <Forecaster> Without explicit
permission
<Forecaster> Without explicit
permissionL541[17:34:09] <CovertJaguar> the
Railcraft license itself allows a few other use cases as well
L542[17:35:33] <Forecaster> Explicitly stated in the
licence :P
<Forecaster> Explicitly stated in the
licence :PL543[17:35:44] <CovertJaguar> the
Contributer License Agreement that I believe Forcaster is refering
to actually works the other way around as it given me a blanked
license to use any code contributed to the project as I see
fit
L544[17:36:25] <Forecaster> Yeah
<Forecaster> YeahL545[17:36:48] <Forecaster> But it also means
submitting code is fine
<Forecaster> But it also means
submitting code is fineL546[17:37:07] <CovertJaguar> which
prevents the kind of legal shenangins that destroyed Bukkit and
keeps Buildcraft locked into a broken license
L547[17:37:09] <Forecaster> As long as you know, you
don't steal it fits a different project
<Forecaster> As long as you know, you
don't steal it fits a different projectL548[17:37:27] <Forecaster> As long as you know, you
don't steal it for a different project
<Forecaster> As long as you know, you
don't steal it for a different projectL549[17:38:09] <Forecaster> Submitting coffee and
modifying railcraft code in a PR I should say
<Forecaster> Submitting coffee and
modifying railcraft code in a PR I should sayL550[17:38:17] <Forecaster> Submitting code and
modifying railcraft code in a PR I should say
<Forecaster> Submitting code and
modifying railcraft code in a PR I should sayL551[17:38:29] <Forecaster> Dammit autocorrect
<Forecaster> Dammit autocorrectL552[17:38:37] <CovertJaguar> hehe, I was
like "coffee?"
L553[17:46:06] <Kodos>
covfefe?
<Kodos>
covfefe?L554[17:52:25] ⇦
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L557[18:01:29] <MipoloArchiletti> But what about my
new original mod Shmailcraft
<MipoloArchiletti> But what about my
new original mod ShmailcraftL558[18:03:05] <Forecaster> :P
<Forecaster> :PL559[18:47:06]
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L574[19:32:43] <mrkirby153> Why
aren't block signals showing up in JEI?
L575[19:33:24] <mrkirby153> All the signal
boxes show up, just not the actual signals
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L579[19:51:08] <CovertJaguar> because they
arent ported yet
L580[20:07:53] <mrkirby153> What should I
use instead?
L581[20:19:22] <AlexJ6301> Signal relay boxes!
<AlexJ6301> Signal relay boxes!L582[20:32:12] <mrkirby153> ?
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L587[21:28:56] <AlexJ6301> You can use signal relay
boxes as block signals. More expensive, but they pair like signal
blocks, and can also form chains to go round corners.
<AlexJ6301> You can use signal relay
boxes as block signals. More expensive, but they pair like signal
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L590[22:14:41] <CovertJaguar> Yeah they are
ported
<CovertJaguar> Yeah they are
portedL591[22:15:04] <CovertJaguar> Just not the actual
signal looking ones
<CovertJaguar> Just not the actual
signal looking onesL592[22:15:19] <CovertJaguar> Mainly they are lacking
models
<CovertJaguar> Mainly they are lacking
modelsL593[22:18:35]
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Quits: Vexatos (~Vexatos@p5B3C9D9D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: I
guess I have to go now. Bye ✔)