L1[00:03:45] <Natesky9> Can you dye carts?

L3[00:06:12] <Hanakocz> Railcraft Cosmetic Additions's carts will be colorful ?

L4[00:07:28] <Natesky9> Is it for 1.7.10? : D

L5[00:08:32] <Hanakocz> it is, but actually working on port for new version

L6[00:08:50] <bballboy2002> The colored carts are not included, but you can use CartLivery in 1.7.10

L7[00:08:59] <Natesky9> pfft

L11[00:50:49] <Natesky9> TIL that a ghast fireball actually leaves a portal still usable

L15[01:40:41] <Hanakocz> not always

L16[01:45:57] <Forecaster> The explosion can take out the portal, but it can also light a fire in the frame which re-ignites it immidiately

L17[01:46:15] <Forecaster> depends where it hits

L23[03:22:35] <Natesky9> nope, just one or two blocks

L24[03:22:39] <Natesky9> happened several times

L29[03:56:27] <CovertJaguar> ok....so manual rolling machine

L31[03:56:45] <CovertJaguar> I'm thinking to make it only craft while you are in the gui and toss stuff on the ground if you leave

L32[03:56:52] <CovertJaguar> also no pipe interfaces

L33[03:57:31] <CovertJaguar> probably leave speed the same just so it isn't annoying

L34[03:57:40] <Hanakocz> what about no gui solution?

L35[03:57:58] <Hanakocz> like that you right clicking it to let it work

L36[03:58:10] <Hanakocz> and it eats hunger

L37[03:58:10] <CovertJaguar> how you going to define the recipe?

L38[03:58:17] <CovertJaguar> oh interesting

L39[03:58:49] <Hanakocz> well, gui can be solution, or right clicking stuff into particular places similar how you insert books to bookshelves etc

L40[03:59:19] <CovertJaguar> I've seen crafting tables like that, but that would be a huge pain for me to code and probably delay the release by at least a week

L41[03:59:47] <Hanakocz> oh well, thats the thing. And what about gui for insertions and then clicking?

L42[03:59:53] <Joshwoo70> just keep in the GUI

L43[04:00:04] <CovertJaguar> seems kind of contrived to require both

L44[04:00:07] <Joshwoo70> for insertions do it like 1.7 style

L45[04:00:15] <CovertJaguar> 1.7 style?

L46[04:00:21] <Hanakocz> similar to AE2 grinder

L47[04:00:25] <Joshwoo70> where you auto balance the inputs

L48[04:00:35] <Joshwoo70> and keep 1 as template

L49[04:00:42] <CovertJaguar> oh, yeah I can leave that

L50[04:00:42] <Hanakocz> similar to AE2 grinder , you input into slots then click the handle

L51[04:01:01] <Joshwoo70> hmm power? i dunno

L52[04:01:08] <CovertJaguar> probably easier if I do leave all that in

L53[04:01:12] <Joshwoo70> probably need a generic engine

L54[04:01:19] <Joshwoo70> like the clockwork engine or smth

L55[04:01:43] <CovertJaguar> well that's another option I guess, but that would remove the need for the manual rolling machine

L56[04:02:03] <CovertJaguar> the main goal is to get rid of the dependance on RF

L57[04:02:20] <Joshwoo70> FE?

L58[04:02:29] <CovertJaguar> ugh....no that's not any better

L59[04:02:38] <CovertJaguar> all that stuff is going away from the core machines

L60[04:02:51] <Joshwoo70> though i agree to get rid of the dependance... we need a few things

L61[04:02:53] <CovertJaguar> might keep the carts, but the rest of the mod is going indepentant

L62[04:03:06] <Joshwoo70> steam engines need a bit of re thinking

L63[04:03:17] <Joshwoo70> this pistony thingys? yeah

L64[04:03:29] <Joshwoo70> i liked them to stay...

L65[04:04:02] <Natesky9> TIL controllers don't accept a redstone signal from the top

L66[04:07:36] <CovertJaguar> well for the moment the focus is on simplifying and decoupling the rolling machine as it is so critical for getting into the rest of the mod

L67[04:08:04] <CovertJaguar> originally I created the Hobbyist Engine specifically to power the Rolling Machine

L68[04:08:17] <CovertJaguar> but in restrospect that's not very friendly to new players

L69[04:08:56] <CovertJaguar> so I figured I'd lower the gate a bit by making a Rolling Machine that doesn't require an enternal machine to work

L70[04:09:09] <CovertJaguar> so I figured I'd lower the gate a bit by making a Rolling Machine that doesn't require an external machine to work

L71[04:09:21] <Forecaster> what'll the balance counter be for that?

L72[04:09:35] <CovertJaguar> that was what I was asking about

L73[04:09:49] <Forecaster> oh

L74[04:09:58] <CovertJaguar> I was thinking player present to work and no pipe interaction

L75[04:10:15] <Forecaster> make it run on coal directly very inefficiently :P

L76[04:10:31] <Forecaster> and no open sides

L77[04:11:10] <CovertJaguar> its main meant to be a gateway to getting the powered version setup

L78[04:11:34] <Forecaster> no, player present and no pipes sounds fine to me

L79[04:35:24] <Natesky9> I'm loving interchanges

L80[04:38:18] <Joshwoo70> manual roller requires a player to be preset beside the roller

L81[04:38:39] <Natesky9> eh?

L82[04:38:48] <Joshwoo70> manual roller requires a player to be presennt beside the roller

L83[04:38:53] <Joshwoo70> manual roller requires a player to be present beside the roller

L84[04:39:00] <Natesky9> I mean, removing the ability for a machine to be automated is already a big hit

L85[04:39:11] <Natesky9> babysitting something is just excess tedium

L86[04:39:44] <Joshwoo70> nate i think you are gettjng it wrong

L87[04:39:50] <Joshwoo70> there will be 2 version

L88[04:39:56] <Joshwoo70> there will be 2 versions of the roller

L89[04:40:05] <Joshwoo70> 1 is manual 1 is automatic

L90[04:40:18] <Natesky9> Yes, but if you're adding the manual roller just to gate progression

L91[04:40:23] <Natesky9> people will just skip it

L92[04:40:55] <Natesky9> Either that, or use it for the required resources to get the automatic one, then never touch it again

L93[04:42:06] <Natesky9> The clockwork engine kinda proves that

L94[04:46:18] <Hanakocz> Have you played GT6, Natesky? Having manual machine operated by hand, then getting automated one is really a) cool , because you have change from all those guis and magical crafting by itself, 2) rewarding , you make progress and you can be proud of your new machine, that makes your life easier after few craftings by your hands

L95[04:48:18] <Hanakocz> it is like having normal crafting table then get Buildcraft automated one...or AE2 crafting. You start by your bare hands and make progress. Thats the main thing that draws you forward, btw. If you have steady, but small steps, it never gets boring (especially when technology of going through steps varies!

L96[04:48:36] <Hanakocz> it is like having normal crafting table then get Buildcraft automated one...or AE2 crafting. You start by your bare hands and make progress. Thats the main thing that draws you forward, btw. If you have steady, but small steps, it never gets boring (especially when technology of going through steps varies!) , because you still achieve better and better things

L97[04:49:40] <Hanakocz> it is like having normal crafting table then get Buildcraft automated one...or AE2 crafting. You start by your bare hands and make progress. Thats the main thing that draws you forward, btw. If you have steady, but small steps, it never gets boring (especially when technology of going through steps varies!) , because you still achieve better and better things, that reward you with easier life...

L100[05:24:06] <CovertJaguar> @Natesky9 that's kind of the point, because atm we are facing the problem that you can't actually use the Rolling Machine because everything that you'd use to power it is crafted in the rolling machine

L101[05:24:43] <CovertJaguar> its an impassible gate

L109[08:57:37] <Forecaster> pff, it's just super-hardcore-deluxe mode

L126[13:27:59] <Natesky9> personally, I just think that the player should be penalized with inneficiency instead of tedium when choosing to stick with a lower tier for longer than they have to

L127[13:28:31] <Natesky9> It's more of an incentive to reach the next tier instead of a punishment for not doing so

L128[13:30:15] <Hanakocz> if you need to use machine manually, you really want to make automated better version

L129[13:34:13] <Natesky9> This is really just the difference between optional and required

L130[13:35:28] <Natesky9> On the one hand, you're just adding a manditory lower tier machine that does the same exact thing, except completely manual

L131[13:36:03] <neptunepink> Spike maul + crowbar + 4 iron ingots --> 1 iron plate

L132[13:36:40] <Natesky9> but on the other, you have the capability to add some new, interesting mechanic

L133[13:37:25] <Natesky9> lol, I'd like to see someone hammer a plate with a spike maul

L134[13:37:36] <Natesky9> that's like brushing a floor with a tooth brush

L135[13:44:17] <Hanakocz> it won't do same, one is slow, manual, and can make only few items, then second is automatic, can do more items...that's how tiers work ?

L137[13:55:40] <Forecaster> you *can* brush a floor with a toothbrush though

L138[13:55:51] <Natesky9> ?

L139[13:55:52] <Forecaster> it'll just take a bit longer, depending on the size of the floor

L140[13:55:56] <Natesky9> = P

L141[13:56:00] <Forecaster> (and the toothbrush)

L142[13:57:20] <Natesky9> heh

L143[13:57:51] <Natesky9> http://tinyurl.com/m8mppct

L145[14:02:43] <Natesky9> Here's a thought

L146[14:03:16] <Natesky9> what about an in-world crafting mechanic for early game iron plates?

L147[14:09:03] <Hanakocz> you mean anvil, take two ingot and right click them on anvil, then take hammer and smash it few times -> tada, plates?

L150[14:15:33] <Natesky9> I was thinking something more with pistons or anvil

L151[14:16:14] <Natesky9> Cooking for blockheads has a silly in-world crafting where you drop an anvil on a cow standing on a jar, and *pop*, cow in a jar

L159[14:40:28] <liach> How do you think of recipe books and new minecraft advancements? Now Minecraft REQUIRES Java 8 to run

L160[14:44:10] <Hanakocz> java 8 is really okay

L161[14:44:22] <Hanakocz> it is already AGES around

L162[14:44:42] <bballboy2002> yea its fine, just updating is a PITA

L163[14:44:53] <Hanakocz> most mods already need java 8

L164[14:45:22] <Hanakocz> so new RC has how big stacksize for minecarts?

L165[14:49:09] <liach> And removal of achievements, addition of advancements, and locking of crafting recipes

L174[20:33:56] *** Server sets mode: +Cnt

L175[20:45:34] <Natesky9> I'm really having a tough time with this

L176[20:45:48] <Natesky9> I have the main track, and 4 refueling lines

L177[20:46:01] <Natesky9> how do I do the signals that if all 4 lines are full, it doesn't turn

L178[20:51:11] <Natesky9> wait

L179[20:51:25] <Natesky9> do controllers and receivers NOT send redstone between them?

L180[20:53:08] <liach> They do not

L181[20:53:17] <Natesky9> wtf?

L182[20:53:24] <Natesky9> How do you combine signals then?

L183[20:53:39] <Natesky9> or rather, how do you AND two signals?

L184[20:55:02] <Natesky9> http://tinyurl.com/m57m5a8

L185[20:55:20] <Natesky9> This is what I have, I've just defaulted to using the last line as a bypass signal

L186[20:55:34] <Natesky9> I have broken 3 crowbars so far...

L188[21:08:44] <Natesky9> So, the redstone controls don't actually mean anything, except when inputting into a controller

L189[21:09:02] <Natesky9> and receivers don't receive redstone from a controller

L190[21:09:21] <Natesky9> unless there's a redstone medium between them