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<CovertJaguar> /me nerfs player cart
propulsion (jk)
L37[04:29:39] <daniel> no kidding! DO IT!
:)
L38[04:32:03]
<CovertJaguar> I should probably fix
animal cart propulsion at least.
L39[04:32:33]
<CovertJaguar> Mojang helpfully made
it apply to all living entities
L40[04:43:59] <Vexatos> Mojang
L41[04:44:00] <Vexatos> helpful
L42[04:44:07] <Vexatos> I think hell just
froze over
L43[04:44:13] <Vexatos> better implement
those waterstones now
L44[04:45:05] <Vexatos> I'm
desperately trying to think of a good name for it :X
L45[04:46:59]
<Forecaster> oh huh
L46[04:47:09]
<Forecaster> one of the filter slots
in the fluid unloader are shifted to the right
L47[04:47:11]
<Forecaster> oO
L48[04:49:57] <Vexatos> neptunepink, I
found an issue with the concepts of waterstones :X
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<CovertJaguar> ?
L51[04:54:11] <Vexatos> Well firestones
just absorb a heat
L52[04:54:18] <Vexatos> and release it at
another point
L53[04:54:29] <Vexatos> Waterstones do it
with matter.... That's weird
L54[04:55:02]
<CovertJaguar> Why do this the
waterstine only got halfway implemented?
L55[04:55:17]
<Forecaster> wut?
L56[04:55:20]
<CovertJaguar> *think
L57[04:55:28]
<Forecaster> oh :P
L58[04:56:00]
<CovertJaguar> This phone keyboard has
some limitations
L59[04:56:51]
<Forecaster> I don't see why
consistency in magic matters
L60[04:56:52]
<Forecaster> :P
L61[05:01:05] <Vexatos> that's the
thing
L62[05:01:10] <Vexatos> Nothing in RC is
actually "magic"
L63[05:01:20] <Vexatos> It is close to
being magic
L64[05:01:26]
<Forecaster> a stone that absorbs heat
is pretty magic
L65[05:01:31] <Vexatos> but everything
still makes sense in some way
L66[05:02:05] <Vexatos> Meh, heat is
energy. Just say the hull of the stone is refined in such a way
that it doesn't crack at the insane temperatures inside of
it
L67[05:02:10]
<Forecaster> although to be fair, I
don't really need the waterstone anymore since I added the
creative locomotive :P
L68[05:02:31] <Vexatos> but you cannot
compress water.
L69[05:02:46]
<Forecaster> railcraft does that
anyway, because tanks
L70[05:02:47] <Vexatos> If you increase the
pressure, it will just heat up
L71[05:04:05]
<Forecaster> but yeah, the main reason
I wanted it was to make building demo-setups easier (for videos)
and not have to set up water supply spots
L72[05:04:19]
<Forecaster> but with the perpetuum
locomotive I don't need to do that anymore anyway :P
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<Hanakocz> what is hard on placing
3*3*3 tank and one fluid loader + one locking track? Oh, maybe some
metal posts so it looks ice. really hard water supply spot ?
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<Forecaster> ...
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<Forecaster> I didn't say it was
hard
L80[05:42:05]
<Forecaster> but just because
it's not *hard* doesn't mean I want to do it.
L81[05:42:44]
<Forecaster> I'd much rather
spend the time on things that actually matter to the video.
L82[06:02:15]
<Hanakocz> ok then ? Today I will try
to finish things to be able to release new update of cosmetics.
Still no platforms yet, though
L83[06:03:41]
<Xylush> hi everybody
L84[06:04:01]
<Forecaster> hello
L85[06:05:05]
<Xylush> so what is this discord for,
is it some thing to do with mod development and other things
L86[06:05:18]
<Forecaster> what?
L87[06:06:28]
<Hanakocz> pretty well for everything
IRC was and way more ?
L88[06:06:39]
<Xylush> railcraft is one of my
favorite mods
L89[06:07:03]
<Forecaster> this server is an
alternative to irc
L90[06:07:32]
<vigilian> and so we can see who is
playing with the supervisor of his linux version, right vexatos
:p
L91[06:07:53] <Vexatos> uhm what
L92[06:08:05]
<vigilian> look at your status
L93[06:08:10] <Vexatos> oh right
L94[06:08:15]
<vigilian> ?
L95[06:08:55]
<Xylush> ?
L96[06:09:29]
<Elourge> Whats the context for that
waterstone talk?
L97[06:09:57]
<vigilian> ...?
L98[06:10:02]
<Forecaster> old concept
L99[06:10:08]
<Forecaster> basically a firestone but
for water
L100[06:11:25]
<Elourge> Ah
L101[06:11:28]
<Elourge> TY
L102[06:17:32]
<Xylush> makes sense
L103[06:23:24]
<Hanakocz> uhm, plates are not
oredicted?
L104[06:23:30]
<Forecaster> no
L105[06:26:58]
<Hanakocz> okay, slightly complicating
things but will manage
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<Meelock> hey! to me railcraft looks
like it is close to release, is this true?
L145[12:15:38]
<liach>
well
L146[12:15:41]
<liach>
still a lot to do
L147[12:15:53]
<Meelock> like what? models?
L148[12:16:07]
<Meelock> logic?
L149[12:16:11]
<Meelock> bugs?
L150[12:16:35]
<liach>
rendering
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<Meelock> kk
L153[12:19:49]
<Meelock> like lighting?
L154[12:21:29]
<Meelock> well... is it further then
buildcraft?
L155[12:21:37]
<Meelock> *than
L156[12:21:51]
<Meelock> well... is it further than
buildcraft?
L157[12:22:20]
<liach>
yes further than buildcraft
L158[12:22:28]
<liach>
like the texture of machines
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L161[12:53:29] <Lostgeek> has anyone every
tried the following: (electric)
locomotive-cart-cart-locomotive-cart-cart-locomotive?
L162[12:53:56] <Lostgeek> the above
doesn't work, but
locomotive-cart-cart-locomotive-locomotive-cart-cart-locomotive
does
L163[12:54:04] <Lostgeek> is this a bug or
a conscious choice?
L164[12:54:20] <Forecaster> because a
locomotive will only connect to one non-locomotive cart
L165[12:54:20]
<liach>
how is it supposed to work?
L166[12:54:33] <Lostgeek> ow hi
Forecaster
L167[12:54:38] <Forecaster> hello
L168[12:54:39] <Lostgeek> didn't spot
you yet
L169[12:54:50] *
Lostgeek is Doci, from long ago and probably forgotten
L170[12:55:06] <Lostgeek> but that is a
conscious choice, i get it?
L171[12:55:26]
<liach>
???
L172[12:55:28] <Forecaster> yes
L173[12:55:39] <Lostgeek> if i may ask,
why is that?
L174[12:55:43] <Forecaster> it's
because you're not supposed to be able to have locomotives in
the middle of the train
L175[12:55:53] <Forecaster> though
apparently there's a workaround for that :P
L176[12:56:04] <Lostgeek> as my second
config demonstrated, lol
L177[12:56:24] <Lostgeek> but not
supposed, as in logic wise? or coding/programming-wise?
L178[12:57:50] <neptunepink> Clever!
:o
L179[12:58:50] <Lostgeek> I'm not
sure if you're familiar with Alstom's Eurostar, the
original bullet train between Great Britain and France?
L180[12:59:04] <Forecaster> no
L181[12:59:14] <Lostgeek> they have engine
carts in the middle to spread the load on the connections between
carts
L182[12:59:32] <Lostgeek> otherwise you
have all mechanical stress at the front and end of the train
L183[12:59:58] <Lostgeek> and with lengths
up to 396 meters per train, that strain could get quite big at 300
km/h
L184[13:00:10] <Lostgeek> so that's
why i tried the same in MC
L185[13:01:53] <Lostgeek> is there any
chance you will allow cart-loc-cart configurations in any future
version?
L186[13:02:10] <Forecaster> I can't
say
L187[13:02:20] <Forecaster> if there is
any other reason for the rule I've forgotten
L188[13:02:43] <Forecaster> you'll
probably want to wait for CJ to pop back for a proper answer
L189[13:02:54] <Forecaster> if you like
you can make an issue on the tracker about this
L190[13:02:55]
<liach>
Open a ticket
L191[13:02:56] <Lostgeek> CJ, please
refresh my mind?
L192[13:03:06] <Forecaster> CovertJaguar,
the mod author
L193[13:03:11] <Lostgeek> *
L194[13:03:35] <Lostgeek> i'm not
somebody who makes tickets for this kind of trivial thing :)
L195[13:03:43] <Lostgeek> that's why
i popped in
L196[13:03:49] <Lostgeek> when is he
usually around?
L197[13:03:51] <neptunepink> Uh, it might
have something to do with having both water tanks & fuel carts
on a locomotive
L198[13:04:19] <Forecaster> well,
he's on his way to minecon right now
L199[13:04:19] <Lostgeek> neptunepink:
could you elaborate on that?
L200[13:04:23] <Forecaster> so wont be a
while
L201[13:04:25] <Forecaster> thus the
ticket
L202[13:04:26] <Lostgeek> no rush
L203[13:04:27] <neptunepink> it'd be
bad, which is bad.
L204[13:04:31] <Forecaster> oh yeah
L205[13:04:47] <Forecaster> locomotives
will take fuel or water from a connected tank or chest cart
L206[13:05:06] <Forecaster> I didn't
think of that, that's why the limitation is in place
L207[13:05:14]
<liach>
minecon!
L208[13:05:26] <Forecaster> to keep you
from hooking up a tank cart on one side and an inventory on the
other
L209[13:05:43] <Forecaster> thus being
able to use both at once
L210[13:06:06] <Lostgeek> in other words,
it's only able to use from one side at the time? or do I
misunderstand a fundamental property?
L211[13:06:31] <Forecaster> because of the
connection restriction yes
L212[13:06:39] <Forecaster> without it
you'd be able to use both at once
L213[13:07:10] <Lostgeek> why would that
be a bad thing?
L214[13:07:41] <Forecaster> because
it's supposed to be a choice
L215[13:07:45] <Forecaster> more water vs
more fuel
L216[13:08:43] <neptunepink> pft, just use
a firestone. Infinite fuels.
L217[13:08:51] <MalkContent> basically
means "opt for fuel and refill tank, unless you got a
firestone in there"
L218[13:09:46] <neptunepink> I wonder if
connections made by non-crowbar also have the restriction
L219[13:10:52] <Forecaster> it all goes
through the same system, so yes
L220[13:11:21] <Lostgeek> and how does
that affect electrical locomotives?
L221[13:11:33] <Forecaster> it
doesn't really
L222[13:11:59] <Forecaster> the
restriction has been in place since before the electric locomotive
was added
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L224[13:12:24] <Lostgeek> so i guess my
original question should be rephrased to "can we have elocs
with both sided connections?"
L225[13:12:37] <Forecaster> make a
ticket
L226[13:13:07] *
Lostgeek will look into how to do that and when
L227[13:13:15] <Lostgeek> won't be
before tomorrow or so, but will do
L228[13:13:22] <Forecaster> I would guess
"yes", but I can't say for sure
L229[13:13:31] <Lostgeek> that makes
sense
L231[13:14:03] *
Lostgeek looks up his old github account...
L232[13:14:23] <neptunepink> Aaaaal aboard
the issue train!
L233[13:14:27] <Lostgeek> heh
L234[13:14:28] <neptunepink> Be sure to
have your tickets ready!
L235[13:14:38] *
Lostgeek pulls out a golden ticket
L236[13:15:33] <Lostgeek> no, i'm
still not sure i understand the tank/fuel part :/
L237[13:16:03] <Forecaster> what
exactly?
L238[13:16:15] <Lostgeek> current
situation is that it only has carts behind it and those carts can
contain fuel/water, correct?
L239[13:16:55] <Forecaster> there are
three cart "archetypes"
L240[13:16:55] <Lostgeek> it pulls from
any of those carts? or only from the ones directly connected to the
locomotive?
L241[13:17:06] <Forecaster> tank,
inventory and power
L242[13:17:24] <Forecaster> or fluid, item
and power
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L244[13:17:48] <Forecaster> these carts
can provide their contents and act as a conduit for their own
type
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L247[13:18:14] <Forecaster> so if you
connect a tank cart to your locomotive with water the loco will be
able to pull water from it into itself as needed
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L249[13:18:37] <Forecaster> any additional
tank carts can be pulled from as well since they all transfer
fluids
L250[13:18:42] <Lostgeek> so far i'm
with you
L251[13:19:08] <Forecaster> similarly if
you connect the loco to a chest cart it will pull fuel items into
itself when it runs low, such as coal or coal coke
L252[13:19:25] <Forecaster> and check
carts will act as item conduits
L253[13:19:56] <Lostgeek> does that only
go for adjecent carts, or any of the carts in the link?
L254[13:20:06] <Forecaster> any carts in
the link
L255[13:20:18] <Lostgeek> ok,
L256[13:20:26] <Forecaster> but if you
connect the loco to a water tank, then place a chest cart after it,
the loco will be able to pull water from the tank, but it wont be
able to pull fuel items from the chest, because the tank cart
cannot transfer items, only fluids
L257[13:20:49] <Lostgeek> ah, in that
sense!
L258[13:20:55] <Lostgeek> ok, that is the
step i was missing
L259[13:21:29] <Lostgeek> but then, did
nobody ever ask if the link could support items, fluids and power
simultaneously? or is that heresy?
L260[13:22:37] <Forecaster> that'd
defeat the entire point of this wouldn't it
L261[13:23:23] <Lostgeek> i guess that
depends on whether you want to transport things or whether you want
to keep your train running --
L262[13:23:59] <Lostgeek> i like playing
with trains and use them to drive around, others use it to bring
their loot to their base
L263[13:25:57] <Forecaster> hm
L264[13:26:02] <Lostgeek> still, i see
what you mean
L265[13:26:02] <Lostgeek> so now enabling
water+fuel on both side of the locomotive would allow you to have
both water/fuel loaded, so your train could run a lot longer
L266[13:26:02] <Lostgeek> is that
considered a good thing or a bad thing?
L267[13:26:02]
<Hanakocz> so sad that I prefer to
have passenger cart jsut after loco, but that one cannot transfer
things
L268[13:26:09]
<Hanakocz> or it does?
L269[13:26:14] <Forecaster> no
L270[13:26:16] <Forecaster> it
doesn't
L271[13:26:42] <Forecaster> Lostgeek: like
I said, that defeats the choice you'd have to make
L272[13:26:54] <Forecaster> which is the
entire point of the restriction
L273[13:27:22]
<Hanakocz> oh, that is maybe the thing
I never got "loco gets water fom tank", it is because I
always put first cart the one for players -.-'
L274[13:27:25] <Lostgeek> ah, so you see
it as intended restriction
L275[13:27:36] <Lostgeek> ok, that is
indeed a choice to be made
L276[13:27:38]
<Hanakocz> oh, that is maybe the thing
why I never got "loco gets water fom tank" working, it is
because I always put first cart the one for players -.-'
L277[13:29:30] <Lostgeek> right now i have
eloc-passenger-cesu-eloc, and that seems to work fine
L278[13:30:04] <Lostgeek> but i
didn't understand that the one-sided cart was meant as
restriction
L279[13:30:17] <Forecaster> I don't
"see" it as an intended restriction, it *is*
intended
L280[13:30:45] <Lostgeek> yes, that makes
total sense now with this explanation
L281[13:31:30] <Lostgeek> does that mean
that the eloc therefore does not have this restriction? or is the
eloc getting power from the cesu through a passenger cart actually
a bug?
L282[13:32:03] <Lostgeek> because i really
do like the concept of eloc-passenger-cesu so you can have the
passengers up front and the cargo in the back
L283[13:33:46] <Forecaster> the power type
might be able to traverse any cart
L284[13:33:49] <Forecaster> I dont'
know
L285[13:33:54] <Lostgeek> additionally,
does that mean that fluid-loc-loc-fuel is now considered a bug that
should be fixed? or is it a legitimate way of having a much larger
action radius?
L286[13:35:30] <Forecaster> not sure
L287[13:35:36] <Forecaster> it does
require two locomotives
L288[13:35:57] <Forecaster> which would
use twice as much fuel & water
L289[13:37:25] <Lostgeek> ok, to round it
up, i intend to make a ticket of it and see where that brings
us
L290[13:37:31] <Lostgeek> for now, thanks
a lot for your explanation
L291[13:37:55] <Lostgeek> time to find my
(IRL) bed
L292[13:38:10] <Forecaster> also, RC for
1.7 is udpate locked
L293[13:38:10] <Lostgeek> good
night!
L294[13:38:23] <Lostgeek> eh?
L295[13:38:27] <Forecaster> barring any
game breaking bugs there wont be any more releases for 1.7
L296[13:38:41] <Forecaster> next release
will be for 1.10
L297[13:38:44] <Lostgeek> ah, i see
L298[13:39:10] <Lostgeek> i'm running
my own server, so i could always decide to fix things for private
use ;)
L299[13:39:26] <Lostgeek> but at some
point i'll move on to .10 anyway
L300[13:39:42] <Lostgeek> anyway,
gn!
L301[13:39:50] <Forecaster> bye
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L326[18:16:03]
<CovertJaguar> Mostly it's
because pushing tends bring out the worst in entity glitches
L327[18:28:07] <Abculatter_2> They just
don't like to be shoved around?
L328[18:28:15] <Abculatter_2>
[/badjoke]
L329[18:30:21]
<liach>
great to see you back jaguar
L330[18:33:28] *
MoxieGrrl smacks Abculatter_2 around a bit with a large
trout
L331[18:33:54]
<CovertJaguar> Eh not really back
considering I'm sitting in a library parking lot to get wifi
access
L332[18:34:48]
<liach>
Then where are you now?
L333[18:35:26]
<CovertJaguar> Central California
which is a apparently a vast void of cell service
L334[18:35:47]
<liach>
Are you on the way to Anaheim where Minecon is held?
L335[18:35:56]
<CovertJaguar> Yep
L336[18:36:07]
<Fandroid> Where in central
California?
L337[18:36:18]
<liach>
on I-5?
L338[18:36:35]
<CovertJaguar> Skunk Train Depot is
across to street
L339[18:37:40]
<Fandroid> Fort Bragg?
L340[18:37:42]
<liach>
Are you going along CA-1?
L341[18:37:55]
<liach>
That is actually North California
L342[18:38:04]
<Fandroid> Way north.
L343[18:38:17]
<Fandroid> Go south more and your cell
service will pick up.
L344[18:38:41]
<Fandroid> Anaheim generally has good
cell service given that you stay away from Disneyland.
L345[18:39:09]
<CovertJaguar> Can't be that far
north, since I less distance to drive left than it took me to get
here from the border
L346[18:40:13]
<CovertJaguar> Unless North is just
the wilds beyond SF
L347[18:40:14]
<CovertJaguar> Unless North is just
the wilds beyond SF
L348[18:40:58]
<Fandroid> North is usually defined as
anything around Sacramento or higher.
L349[18:42:28]
<liach>
Hmm skunk train also has a station on US-101
L350[18:48:23]
<CovertJaguar> Anyway I shall now bid
this oasis farewell
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L352[19:47:03]
<Fandroid> @CovertJaguar If you have
time you should go to Hollywood and visit the Escape Hotel.
It's a lot of fun.
L353[19:49:41]
<liach>
Disney is in Anaheim also
L354[19:51:06]
<AlpineRooster> Welcome to CA
^.^
L355[19:52:33]
<liach>
Welcome to Orange County!
L356[19:53:25]
<AlpineRooster> (Yes LA is a mess and
the Southern part of the state sucksa and is all desert... have
fun!)
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L358[19:55:14]
<AlpineRooster> -sincerely someone in
the North
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L360[19:57:19]
<AlpineRooster> But Disneyland and all
the Cons down there is cool!
L361[20:14:32]
<Empour> psst
L362[20:14:40]
<Empour> come to sacramento-ish with
us
L363[20:14:42]
<Empour> its cool here
L364[20:26:09] <neptunepink> Orly?
:P
L365[20:35:32]
<AlpineRooster> Can confirm,
Sacramento is cool
L366[20:36:03]
<AlpineRooster> But not in the weather
temp sense of cool... that it is not at all *melts*
L367[20:41:12]
<liach>
How does this look?
L369[20:41:50]
<Empour> fantastic
L370[20:41:52]
<Empour> and expensive
L371[20:45:25]
<liach>
... It was built in creative mode
L372[20:45:39]
<liach>
It looks good though
L373[20:45:53]
<liach>
It's from a Railcraft server
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L375[20:52:17]
<liach>
Does anyone know any good Railcraft server?
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<Fandroid> SoCal is awesome.
L380[22:05:47]
<Fandroid> Given that you stay on the
coast.
L381[22:06:01]
<Fandroid> Don't go to LA unless
you absolutely have to.
L382[22:07:04]
<liach>
Downtown is always horrible
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<Joshwoo70> *the train is arriving for
your safety please stand behind the yellow line, thank you*
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