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L36[04:28:52] <CovertJaguar> /me nerfs player cart propulsion (jk)
L37[04:29:39] <daniel> no kidding! DO IT! :)
L38[04:32:03] <CovertJaguar> I should probably fix animal cart propulsion at least.
L39[04:32:33] <CovertJaguar> Mojang helpfully made it apply to all living entities
L40[04:43:59] <Vexatos> Mojang
L41[04:44:00] <Vexatos> helpful
L42[04:44:07] <Vexatos> I think hell just froze over
L43[04:44:13] <Vexatos> better implement those waterstones now
L44[04:45:05] <Vexatos> I'm desperately trying to think of a good name for it :X
L45[04:46:59] <Forecaster> oh huh
L46[04:47:09] <Forecaster> one of the filter slots in the fluid unloader are shifted to the right
L47[04:47:11] <Forecaster> oO
L48[04:49:57] <Vexatos> neptunepink, I found an issue with the concepts of waterstones :X
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L50[04:53:07] <CovertJaguar> ?
L51[04:54:11] <Vexatos> Well firestones just absorb a heat
L52[04:54:18] <Vexatos> and release it at another point
L53[04:54:29] <Vexatos> Waterstones do it with matter.... That's weird
L54[04:55:02] <CovertJaguar> Why do this the waterstine only got halfway implemented?
L55[04:55:17] <Forecaster> wut?
L56[04:55:20] <CovertJaguar> *think
L57[04:55:28] <Forecaster> oh :P
L58[04:56:00] <CovertJaguar> This phone keyboard has some limitations
L59[04:56:51] <Forecaster> I don't see why consistency in magic matters
L60[04:56:52] <Forecaster> :P
L61[05:01:05] <Vexatos> that's the thing
L62[05:01:10] <Vexatos> Nothing in RC is actually "magic"
L63[05:01:20] <Vexatos> It is close to being magic
L64[05:01:26] <Forecaster> a stone that absorbs heat is pretty magic
L65[05:01:31] <Vexatos> but everything still makes sense in some way
L66[05:02:05] <Vexatos> Meh, heat is energy. Just say the hull of the stone is refined in such a way that it doesn't crack at the insane temperatures inside of it
L67[05:02:10] <Forecaster> although to be fair, I don't really need the waterstone anymore since I added the creative locomotive :P
L68[05:02:31] <Vexatos> but you cannot compress water.
L69[05:02:46] <Forecaster> railcraft does that anyway, because tanks
L70[05:02:47] <Vexatos> If you increase the pressure, it will just heat up
L71[05:04:05] <Forecaster> but yeah, the main reason I wanted it was to make building demo-setups easier (for videos) and not have to set up water supply spots
L72[05:04:19] <Forecaster> but with the perpetuum locomotive I don't need to do that anymore anyway :P
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L75[05:34:43] <Hanakocz> what is hard on placing 3*3*3 tank and one fluid loader + one locking track? Oh, maybe some metal posts so it looks ice. really hard water supply spot ?
L76[05:35:04] <Forecaster> ...
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L79[05:41:54] <Forecaster> I didn't say it was hard
L80[05:42:05] <Forecaster> but just because it's not *hard* doesn't mean I want to do it.
L81[05:42:44] <Forecaster> I'd much rather spend the time on things that actually matter to the video.
L82[06:02:15] <Hanakocz> ok then ? Today I will try to finish things to be able to release new update of cosmetics. Still no platforms yet, though
L83[06:03:41] <Xylush> hi everybody
L84[06:04:01] <Forecaster> hello
L85[06:05:05] <Xylush> so what is this discord for, is it some thing to do with mod development and other things
L86[06:05:18] <Forecaster> what?
L87[06:06:28] <Hanakocz> pretty well for everything IRC was and way more ?
L88[06:06:39] <Xylush> railcraft is one of my favorite mods
L89[06:07:03] <Forecaster> this server is an alternative to irc
L90[06:07:32] <vigilian> and so we can see who is playing with the supervisor of his linux version, right vexatos :p
L91[06:07:53] <Vexatos> uhm what
L92[06:08:05] <vigilian> look at your status
L93[06:08:10] <Vexatos> oh right
L94[06:08:15] <vigilian> ?
L95[06:08:55] <Xylush> ?
L96[06:09:29] <Elourge> Whats the context for that waterstone talk?
L97[06:09:57] <vigilian> ...?
L98[06:10:02] <Forecaster> old concept
L99[06:10:08] <Forecaster> basically a firestone but for water
L100[06:11:25] <Elourge> Ah
L101[06:11:28] <Elourge> TY
L102[06:17:32] <Xylush> makes sense
L103[06:23:24] <Hanakocz> uhm, plates are not oredicted?
L104[06:23:30] <Forecaster> no
L105[06:26:58] <Hanakocz> okay, slightly complicating things but will manage
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L144[12:15:16] <Meelock> hey! to me railcraft looks like it is close to release, is this true?
L145[12:15:38] <liach> well
L146[12:15:41] <liach> still a lot to do
L147[12:15:53] <Meelock> like what? models?
L148[12:16:07] <Meelock> logic?
L149[12:16:11] <Meelock> bugs?
L150[12:16:35] <liach> rendering
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L152[12:19:44] <Meelock> kk
L153[12:19:49] <Meelock> like lighting?
L154[12:21:29] <Meelock> well... is it further then buildcraft?
L155[12:21:37] <Meelock> *than
L156[12:21:51] <Meelock> well... is it further than buildcraft?
L157[12:22:20] <liach> yes further than buildcraft
L158[12:22:28] <liach> like the texture of machines
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L161[12:53:29] <Lostgeek> has anyone every tried the following: (electric) locomotive-cart-cart-locomotive-cart-cart-locomotive?
L162[12:53:56] <Lostgeek> the above doesn't work, but locomotive-cart-cart-locomotive-locomotive-cart-cart-locomotive does
L163[12:54:04] <Lostgeek> is this a bug or a conscious choice?
L164[12:54:20] <Forecaster> because a locomotive will only connect to one non-locomotive cart
L165[12:54:20] <liach> how is it supposed to work?
L166[12:54:33] <Lostgeek> ow hi Forecaster
L167[12:54:38] <Forecaster> hello
L168[12:54:39] <Lostgeek> didn't spot you yet
L169[12:54:50] * Lostgeek is Doci, from long ago and probably forgotten
L170[12:55:06] <Lostgeek> but that is a conscious choice, i get it?
L171[12:55:26] <liach> ???
L172[12:55:28] <Forecaster> yes
L173[12:55:39] <Lostgeek> if i may ask, why is that?
L174[12:55:43] <Forecaster> it's because you're not supposed to be able to have locomotives in the middle of the train
L175[12:55:53] <Forecaster> though apparently there's a workaround for that :P
L176[12:56:04] <Lostgeek> as my second config demonstrated, lol
L177[12:56:24] <Lostgeek> but not supposed, as in logic wise? or coding/programming-wise?
L178[12:57:50] <neptunepink> Clever! :o
L179[12:58:50] <Lostgeek> I'm not sure if you're familiar with Alstom's Eurostar, the original bullet train between Great Britain and France?
L180[12:59:04] <Forecaster> no
L181[12:59:14] <Lostgeek> they have engine carts in the middle to spread the load on the connections between carts
L182[12:59:32] <Lostgeek> otherwise you have all mechanical stress at the front and end of the train
L183[12:59:58] <Lostgeek> and with lengths up to 396 meters per train, that strain could get quite big at 300 km/h
L184[13:00:10] <Lostgeek> so that's why i tried the same in MC
L185[13:01:53] <Lostgeek> is there any chance you will allow cart-loc-cart configurations in any future version?
L186[13:02:10] <Forecaster> I can't say
L187[13:02:20] <Forecaster> if there is any other reason for the rule I've forgotten
L188[13:02:43] <Forecaster> you'll probably want to wait for CJ to pop back for a proper answer
L189[13:02:54] <Forecaster> if you like you can make an issue on the tracker about this
L190[13:02:55] <liach> Open a ticket
L191[13:02:56] <Lostgeek> CJ, please refresh my mind?
L192[13:03:06] <Forecaster> CovertJaguar, the mod author
L193[13:03:11] <Lostgeek> *
L194[13:03:35] <Lostgeek> i'm not somebody who makes tickets for this kind of trivial thing :)
L195[13:03:43] <Lostgeek> that's why i popped in
L196[13:03:49] <Lostgeek> when is he usually around?
L197[13:03:51] <neptunepink> Uh, it might have something to do with having both water tanks & fuel carts on a locomotive
L198[13:04:19] <Forecaster> well, he's on his way to minecon right now
L199[13:04:19] <Lostgeek> neptunepink: could you elaborate on that?
L200[13:04:23] <Forecaster> so wont be a while
L201[13:04:25] <Forecaster> thus the ticket
L202[13:04:26] <Lostgeek> no rush
L203[13:04:27] <neptunepink> it'd be bad, which is bad.
L204[13:04:31] <Forecaster> oh yeah
L205[13:04:47] <Forecaster> locomotives will take fuel or water from a connected tank or chest cart
L206[13:05:06] <Forecaster> I didn't think of that, that's why the limitation is in place
L207[13:05:14] <liach> minecon!
L208[13:05:26] <Forecaster> to keep you from hooking up a tank cart on one side and an inventory on the other
L209[13:05:43] <Forecaster> thus being able to use both at once
L210[13:06:06] <Lostgeek> in other words, it's only able to use from one side at the time? or do I misunderstand a fundamental property?
L211[13:06:31] <Forecaster> because of the connection restriction yes
L212[13:06:39] <Forecaster> without it you'd be able to use both at once
L213[13:07:10] <Lostgeek> why would that be a bad thing?
L214[13:07:41] <Forecaster> because it's supposed to be a choice
L215[13:07:45] <Forecaster> more water vs more fuel
L216[13:08:43] <neptunepink> pft, just use a firestone. Infinite fuels.
L217[13:08:51] <MalkContent> basically means "opt for fuel and refill tank, unless you got a firestone in there"
L218[13:09:46] <neptunepink> I wonder if connections made by non-crowbar also have the restriction
L219[13:10:52] <Forecaster> it all goes through the same system, so yes
L220[13:11:21] <Lostgeek> and how does that affect electrical locomotives?
L221[13:11:33] <Forecaster> it doesn't really
L222[13:11:59] <Forecaster> the restriction has been in place since before the electric locomotive was added
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L224[13:12:24] <Lostgeek> so i guess my original question should be rephrased to "can we have elocs with both sided connections?"
L225[13:12:37] <Forecaster> make a ticket
L226[13:13:07] * Lostgeek will look into how to do that and when
L227[13:13:15] <Lostgeek> won't be before tomorrow or so, but will do
L228[13:13:22] <Forecaster> I would guess "yes", but I can't say for sure
L229[13:13:31] <Lostgeek> that makes sense
L230[13:13:39] <Forecaster> https://github.com/CovertJaguar/Railcraft/issues/new
L231[13:14:03] * Lostgeek looks up his old github account...
L232[13:14:23] <neptunepink> Aaaaal aboard the issue train!
L233[13:14:27] <Lostgeek> heh
L234[13:14:28] <neptunepink> Be sure to have your tickets ready!
L235[13:14:38] * Lostgeek pulls out a golden ticket
L236[13:15:33] <Lostgeek> no, i'm still not sure i understand the tank/fuel part :/
L237[13:16:03] <Forecaster> what exactly?
L238[13:16:15] <Lostgeek> current situation is that it only has carts behind it and those carts can contain fuel/water, correct?
L239[13:16:55] <Forecaster> there are three cart "archetypes"
L240[13:16:55] <Lostgeek> it pulls from any of those carts? or only from the ones directly connected to the locomotive?
L241[13:17:06] <Forecaster> tank, inventory and power
L242[13:17:24] <Forecaster> or fluid, item and power
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L244[13:17:48] <Forecaster> these carts can provide their contents and act as a conduit for their own type
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L247[13:18:14] <Forecaster> so if you connect a tank cart to your locomotive with water the loco will be able to pull water from it into itself as needed
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L249[13:18:37] <Forecaster> any additional tank carts can be pulled from as well since they all transfer fluids
L250[13:18:42] <Lostgeek> so far i'm with you
L251[13:19:08] <Forecaster> similarly if you connect the loco to a chest cart it will pull fuel items into itself when it runs low, such as coal or coal coke
L252[13:19:25] <Forecaster> and check carts will act as item conduits
L253[13:19:56] <Lostgeek> does that only go for adjecent carts, or any of the carts in the link?
L254[13:20:06] <Forecaster> any carts in the link
L255[13:20:18] <Lostgeek> ok,
L256[13:20:26] <Forecaster> but if you connect the loco to a water tank, then place a chest cart after it, the loco will be able to pull water from the tank, but it wont be able to pull fuel items from the chest, because the tank cart cannot transfer items, only fluids
L257[13:20:49] <Lostgeek> ah, in that sense!
L258[13:20:55] <Lostgeek> ok, that is the step i was missing
L259[13:21:29] <Lostgeek> but then, did nobody ever ask if the link could support items, fluids and power simultaneously? or is that heresy?
L260[13:22:37] <Forecaster> that'd defeat the entire point of this wouldn't it
L261[13:23:23] <Lostgeek> i guess that depends on whether you want to transport things or whether you want to keep your train running --
L262[13:23:59] <Lostgeek> i like playing with trains and use them to drive around, others use it to bring their loot to their base
L263[13:25:57] <Forecaster> hm
L264[13:26:02] <Lostgeek> still, i see what you mean
L265[13:26:02] <Lostgeek> so now enabling water+fuel on both side of the locomotive would allow you to have both water/fuel loaded, so your train could run a lot longer
L266[13:26:02] <Lostgeek> is that considered a good thing or a bad thing?
L267[13:26:02] <Hanakocz> so sad that I prefer to have passenger cart jsut after loco, but that one cannot transfer things
L268[13:26:09] <Hanakocz> or it does?
L269[13:26:14] <Forecaster> no
L270[13:26:16] <Forecaster> it doesn't
L271[13:26:42] <Forecaster> Lostgeek: like I said, that defeats the choice you'd have to make
L272[13:26:54] <Forecaster> which is the entire point of the restriction
L273[13:27:22] <Hanakocz> oh, that is maybe the thing I never got "loco gets water fom tank", it is because I always put first cart the one for players -.-'
L274[13:27:25] <Lostgeek> ah, so you see it as intended restriction
L275[13:27:36] <Lostgeek> ok, that is indeed a choice to be made
L276[13:27:38] <Hanakocz> oh, that is maybe the thing why I never got "loco gets water fom tank" working, it is because I always put first cart the one for players -.-'
L277[13:29:30] <Lostgeek> right now i have eloc-passenger-cesu-eloc, and that seems to work fine
L278[13:30:04] <Lostgeek> but i didn't understand that the one-sided cart was meant as restriction
L279[13:30:17] <Forecaster> I don't "see" it as an intended restriction, it *is* intended
L280[13:30:45] <Lostgeek> yes, that makes total sense now with this explanation
L281[13:31:30] <Lostgeek> does that mean that the eloc therefore does not have this restriction? or is the eloc getting power from the cesu through a passenger cart actually a bug?
L282[13:32:03] <Lostgeek> because i really do like the concept of eloc-passenger-cesu so you can have the passengers up front and the cargo in the back
L283[13:33:46] <Forecaster> the power type might be able to traverse any cart
L284[13:33:49] <Forecaster> I dont' know
L285[13:33:54] <Lostgeek> additionally, does that mean that fluid-loc-loc-fuel is now considered a bug that should be fixed? or is it a legitimate way of having a much larger action radius?
L286[13:35:30] <Forecaster> not sure
L287[13:35:36] <Forecaster> it does require two locomotives
L288[13:35:57] <Forecaster> which would use twice as much fuel & water
L289[13:37:25] <Lostgeek> ok, to round it up, i intend to make a ticket of it and see where that brings us
L290[13:37:31] <Lostgeek> for now, thanks a lot for your explanation
L291[13:37:55] <Lostgeek> time to find my (IRL) bed
L292[13:38:10] <Forecaster> also, RC for 1.7 is udpate locked
L293[13:38:10] <Lostgeek> good night!
L294[13:38:23] <Lostgeek> eh?
L295[13:38:27] <Forecaster> barring any game breaking bugs there wont be any more releases for 1.7
L296[13:38:41] <Forecaster> next release will be for 1.10
L297[13:38:44] <Lostgeek> ah, i see
L298[13:39:10] <Lostgeek> i'm running my own server, so i could always decide to fix things for private use ;)
L299[13:39:26] <Lostgeek> but at some point i'll move on to .10 anyway
L300[13:39:42] <Lostgeek> anyway, gn!
L301[13:39:50] <Forecaster> bye
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L326[18:16:03] <CovertJaguar> Mostly it's because pushing tends bring out the worst in entity glitches
L327[18:28:07] <Abculatter_2> They just don't like to be shoved around?
L328[18:28:15] <Abculatter_2> [/badjoke]
L329[18:30:21] <liach> great to see you back jaguar
L330[18:33:28] * MoxieGrrl smacks Abculatter_2 around a bit with a large trout
L331[18:33:54] <CovertJaguar> Eh not really back considering I'm sitting in a library parking lot to get wifi access
L332[18:34:48] <liach> Then where are you now?
L333[18:35:26] <CovertJaguar> Central California which is a apparently a vast void of cell service
L334[18:35:47] <liach> Are you on the way to Anaheim where Minecon is held?
L335[18:35:56] <CovertJaguar> Yep
L336[18:36:07] <Fandroid> Where in central California?
L337[18:36:18] <liach> on I-5?
L338[18:36:35] <CovertJaguar> Skunk Train Depot is across to street
L339[18:37:40] <Fandroid> Fort Bragg?
L340[18:37:42] <liach> Are you going along CA-1?
L341[18:37:55] <liach> That is actually North California
L342[18:38:04] <Fandroid> Way north.
L343[18:38:17] <Fandroid> Go south more and your cell service will pick up.
L344[18:38:41] <Fandroid> Anaheim generally has good cell service given that you stay away from Disneyland.
L345[18:39:09] <CovertJaguar> Can't be that far north, since I less distance to drive left than it took me to get here from the border
L346[18:40:13] <CovertJaguar> Unless North is just the wilds beyond SF
L347[18:40:14] <CovertJaguar> Unless North is just the wilds beyond SF
L348[18:40:58] <Fandroid> North is usually defined as anything around Sacramento or higher.
L349[18:42:28] <liach> Hmm skunk train also has a station on US-101
L350[18:48:23] <CovertJaguar> Anyway I shall now bid this oasis farewell
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L352[19:47:03] <Fandroid> @CovertJaguar If you have time you should go to Hollywood and visit the Escape Hotel. It's a lot of fun.
L353[19:49:41] <liach> Disney is in Anaheim also
L354[19:51:06] <AlpineRooster> Welcome to CA ^.^
L355[19:52:33] <liach> Welcome to Orange County!
L356[19:53:25] <AlpineRooster> (Yes LA is a mess and the Southern part of the state sucksa and is all desert... have fun!)
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L358[19:55:14] <AlpineRooster> -sincerely someone in the North
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L360[19:57:19] <AlpineRooster> But Disneyland and all the Cons down there is cool!
L361[20:14:32] <Empour> psst
L362[20:14:40] <Empour> come to sacramento-ish with us
L363[20:14:42] <Empour> its cool here
L364[20:26:09] <neptunepink> Orly? :P
L365[20:35:32] <AlpineRooster> Can confirm, Sacramento is cool
L366[20:36:03] <AlpineRooster> But not in the weather temp sense of cool... that it is not at all *melts*
L367[20:41:12] <liach> How does this look?
L368[20:41:12] <liach> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/225184360049934336/227242718571659267/HXK7XPQKTCAS825O0QN.jpg
L369[20:41:50] <Empour> fantastic
L370[20:41:52] <Empour> and expensive
L371[20:45:25] <liach> ... It was built in creative mode
L372[20:45:39] <liach> It looks good though
L373[20:45:53] <liach> It's from a Railcraft server
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L375[20:52:17] <liach> Does anyone know any good Railcraft server?
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L379[22:05:38] <Fandroid> SoCal is awesome.
L380[22:05:47] <Fandroid> Given that you stay on the coast.
L381[22:06:01] <Fandroid> Don't go to LA unless you absolutely have to.
L382[22:07:04] <liach> Downtown is always horrible
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L388[22:38:57] <Joshwoo70> *the train is arriving for your safety please stand behind the yellow line, thank you*
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