L1[00:11:10] <Izzy> did anyone end up implementing multicast for minitel according to the spec without me hearing about it?

L2[00:11:42] <SoraFi​restorm> ... what all actually gets allocated to the computer memory

L3[00:12:11] <SoraFi​restorm> I have written about as small and dumb of a basic REPL as I can manage straight to an EEPROM and it's still reporting to use 16k memory

L4[00:15:04] <SoraFi​restorm> if I tell the REPL to calculate `computer.totalMemory() - computer.freeMemory()`

L7[05:47:53] <RedstoneParkour> Izzy: none that i know of?

L8[05:48:24] <RedstoneParkour> And SoraFirestorm: did you make sure to pullSignal 10 times in a row to get the gc to activate?

L9[05:58:03] <Va​ur> %tonk

L10[05:58:03] <MichiBot> Boo-yah! V​aur! You beat S​piderEveryOS's previous record of 4h 55m 8s (By 7h 36m 12s)! I hope you're happy!

L11[05:58:03] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 12h 31m 20s! Vaur also gained 0.038 (0.0076 x 5) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.3449494 more points to pass F​orecaster!

L12[06:43:25] <Corded> > <Redston​eParkour> And SoraFirestorm: did you make sure to pullSignal 10 times…

L13[06:43:25] <SoraFi​restorm> That depends on how you mean that exactly. Maybe.

L14[06:43:46] <SoraFi​restorm> The REPL input is signal-driven ofc

L15[06:44:36] <RedstoneParkour> hmm

L16[06:44:53] <RedstoneParkour> what does the ocelot memory usage meter say?

L17[06:45:17] <RedstoneParkour> also 16K memory?

L18[06:45:21] <RedstoneParkour> that seems normal for just a repl

L19[06:46:27] <SoraFi​restorm> Literally nothing else running on the machine though, just the bare minimum to type into it and have it spit letters back out? Man...

L20[06:46:39] <Corded> > <Redston​eParkour> what does the ocelot memory usage meter say?

L21[06:46:40] <SoraFi​restorm> The what now

L22[06:47:49] <Mic​hiyo> I think the assumption was you were running in the emulator ocelot.

L23[06:48:02] <Mic​hiyo> https://ocelot.fomalhaut.me/desktop

L24[06:48:18] <SoraFi​restorm> I was not, I was running in-game

L25[06:48:48] <SoraFi​restorm> I'll run in Ocelot at some point

L26[06:49:58] <SoraFi​restorm> Ocelot is probably not aware of the default size setting, is it? :P

L27[06:50:36] <SoraFi​restorm> I am actually using and respecting it

L28[06:51:01] <SoraFi​restorm> Which isn't super code golf of me, but I do have a couple affordances because I felt lile they were necessary :P

L29[06:52:13] <SoraFi​restorm> I can upload the EEPROM later

L30[07:22:18] <RedstoneParkour> michiyo: yeah i was assuming ocelot was at least known

L31[08:16:45] <SoraFi​restorm> Ocelot doesn't support `text_input` signal, which I am using because theoretically it's the thing I'm supposed to be using

L32[08:30:30] <Redston​eParkour> except that there are talks about removing text_input iirc

L33[08:31:35] <SoraFi​restorm> Not anymore - https://github.com/PC-Logix/OpenComputers/pull/79#issuecomment-5391451922

L34[08:31:35] <MichiBot> Pull request: Remove `text_input` signal | Posted by: Ocawesome101 | Posted: Mon, 24 Aug 2026 04:30:56 GMT | Status: closed

L35[08:32:05] <Redston​eParkour> oh its staying

L36[08:32:11] <Redston​eParkour> i thought that well

L37[08:32:28] <Redston​eParkour> it could be done by having a 0 scancode or something when the actual character is sent

L38[08:32:52] <Redston​eParkour> or even a nil scancode

L39[08:33:06] <Redston​eParkour> though that'd likely break existing OSes

L41[08:33:34] <SoraFi​restorm> I'm pretty sure a new signal was deliberate as a clean break to prevent compatibility issues yeah

L42[08:33:57] <SoraFi​restorm> You only get new IME-friendlier behavior if you explicitly support it

L43[08:34:08] <Redston​eParkour> oh so key_down still sends characters?

L44[08:34:12] <SoraFi​restorm> yeah

L45[08:34:17] <Redston​eParkour> alr then

L46[08:34:21] <SoraFi​restorm> `key_down` continues to do what it already did

L47[08:34:41] <SoraFi​restorm> and you still have to have some amount of looking for `key_down` in your code

L48[08:34:58] <SoraFi​restorm> since `text_input` doesn't do control characters

L49[08:35:04] <Redston​eParkour> right

L50[08:35:22] <SoraFi​restorm> so for instance, in my BIOS REPL, I still have to handle `key_down` to get backspace and enter

L51[08:35:53] <Redston​eParkour> yeah

L52[08:36:04] <SoraFi​restorm> which is maybe probably not ideal but

L53[08:36:14] <Redston​eParkour> also, back to memory usage: 16kB for a bios REPL is actually very small

L54[08:36:40] <Redston​eParkour> probably the bare minimum

L55[08:36:46] <SoraFi​restorm> the ocelot memory viewer thingy isn't all that helpful honestly

L56[08:36:58] <SoraFi​restorm> it's a small enough amount of memory to be a rounding error

L57[08:37:30] <Redston​eParkour> yeah

L58[08:38:23] <SoraFi​restorm> even 'rescaling' it by putting in a single T1 module

L59[08:41:23] <SoraFi​restorm> and so most of that memory has to be the core env, right?

L60[08:41:46] <SoraFi​restorm> everything that is provided to the Lua architecture?

L61[08:45:48] <SoraFi​restorm> I had always assumed that the bundled libraries that come up with the machine didn't count against the memory limit

L62[08:46:04] <SoraFi​restorm> so I was expecting to only see like... 2-3k memory usage max

L63[08:46:54] <SoraFi​restorm> most of that being the code for the REPL and then input strings that were still transient and not yet GC'd

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L91[18:30:01] <Va​ur> %chug

L92[18:30:01] <MichiBot> You drink a hot apple potion (New!). Vaur has a feeling that their face just appeared on a random vegetable somewhere.

L93[18:31:50] <Va​ur> %tonkout

L94[18:31:50] <MichiBot> Jeepers! V​aur! You beat your own previous record of 12h 31m 20s (By 2m 26s)! I hope you're happy!

L95[18:31:50] <MichiBot> V​aur has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.012 tonk points! plus 0.022 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 2.23527, Position #3 Need 0.3109494 more points to pass F​orecaster!

L96[23:31:34] <Spider​EveryOS> %tonk

L97[23:31:34] <MichiBot> Awesome! S​piderEveryOS! You beat V​aur's previous record of 0s (By 4h 59m 44s)! I hope you're happy!

L98[23:31:35] <MichiBot> SpiderEveryOS's new record is 4h 59m 44s! SpiderEveryOS also gained 0.005 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.

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