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<Forecaster> %tonk
L7[03:37:13] <MichiBot> Wow! Forecaster!
You beat SpiderEveryOS's previous record of 0s (By 3h 58m
12s)! I hope you're happy!
L8[03:37:14] <MichiBot> Forecaster's
new record is 3h 58m 12s! Forecaster also gained 0.00397 tonk
points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.3321612 more
points to pass SpiderEveryOS!
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L15[10:37:16] *
Amanda meows and looks around
L16[10:37:22] *
Amanda orders MichiBot some %soup
L17[10:37:23] <MichiBot> Waiter!! Waiter!!
There's Ukrainian Proton Collider in my soup!
L18[10:38:44] <Amanda> %splash Forecaster
with mutable pink potion
L19[10:38:45] <MichiBot> You fling a
mutable pink potion (New!) that splashes onto Forecaster.
Forecaster turns into A Plant girl until someone turns on a
lamp.
L20[10:39:02] <Amanda> ... That's just
dryad with another name!
L21[10:48:42]

<Vaur>
%tonk
L22[10:48:42] <MichiBot> Yay! Vaur! You
beat Forecaster's previous record of 3h 58m 12s (By 3h 13m
16s)! I hope you're happy!
L23[10:48:42] <MichiBot> Vaur's new
record is 7h 11m 28s! Vaur also gained 0.01288 (0.00322 x 4) tonk
points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.3826794 more
points to pass Forecaster!
L24[10:48:44]

<Forecaster> No it's not!
L25[10:49:02]

<Forecaster> A dryad is connected to a
tree
L26[10:49:18] <Amanda> but you were a dryad
connected to a pearlpeas earlier!
L27[10:51:15]

<Forecaster> I was?
L28[10:51:59] <Amanda> Yes! I replanted you
in Lizzy's garden and everything!
L29[10:55:13]

<Forecaster> That wasn't earlier,
that was days ago I'm pretty sure...
L30[10:55:20] <Amanda> Yes, so
earlier!
L31[10:55:33] <Amanda> Just like later can
mean tomorrow!
L32[10:56:19] <Amanda> I didn't say
"earlier today"
L33[11:05:48]

<Forecaster> To me it's a short time,
while "recently" covers a longer span
L34[11:13:12] <Amanda> "Earlier this
week/month" is also valid
L35[11:13:46] <Amanda> just means
chronogically before in my brain
L36[11:13:54] <Amanda> like later means
chronologically after
L37[12:07:46]

<Forecaster> "earlier this week"
is different to just "earlier" to me
L38[12:08:45]

<Forecaster> I guess if there isn't a
quantifier of some kind I default to a short amount
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<SpiderEveryOS> %tonk
L51[18:31:36] <MichiBot> Woah!
SpiderEveryOS! You beat Vaur's previous record of 7h 11m 28s
(By 31m 25s)! I hope you're happy!
L52[18:31:37] <MichiBot>
SpiderEveryOS's new record is 7h 42m 54s! SpiderEveryOS also
gained 0.00416 (0.00052 x 8) tonk points for stealing the tonk.
Position #1.
L53[18:36:46]

<SoraFirestorm> is the OC API actually
documented somewhere? I don't obviously see it on the
wiki...
L54[18:37:12]

<Forecaster> the mod api? I don't
believe so
L55[18:37:17]

<SoraFirestorm> yeah, the mod API
L56[18:38:43]

<SoraFirestorm> It was suggested elsewhere
that it might be a good idea to try and make a unified standard
'computer device' API so that 3rd party integrations
don't need to implement N different device drivers for N
different computer mods
L57[18:38:52]

<SoraFirestorm> So I'm just trying to
see what already exists to get some inspiration
L58[19:06:14]

<Forecaster> Hey now, you can't just
go around making things easier
L59[19:06:27]

<Forecaster> Where's your competitive
spirit
L60[19:16:51]

<SoraFirestorm> Oh no, see, I am still
competing - to replace many incumbent standards with a new, unified
standard
L61[19:16:52]

<SoraFirestorm> :P
L62[19:17:08]

<SoraFirestorm> It's still gonna be
an uphill battle lmao
L63[19:22:38] <Amanda> Situation: there are
14 competing standards
L64[19:50:48]

<Michiyo>
%xkcd 927
L66[20:12:23] <Amanda> %choose early
rainbox?
L67[20:12:23] <MichiBot> Probably.
L68[20:40:58]

<SoraFirestorm> 'many'
realistically meaning 'one'
L69[20:41:08]

<SoraFirestorm> since I don't think
there are any other live APIs other than the ComputerCraft
one
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L71[21:57:24] <Amanda> %choose
laptopnaptime?
L72[21:57:25] <MichiBot> Yes.
L73[21:57:40] *
Amanda flops atop nadja, demands pats or she'll let mars burn
more
L74[22:08:42] <Amanda> Hrm
L75[22:08:56] <Amanda> The outside is way
too loud
L76[22:09:04] <Amanda> I can't hear my
show over the rain
L77[22:10:29]

<Michiyo>
makes grabby hands at the rain
L78[22:10:38]

<Michiyo>
Everything is on fire over here, I'll take the rain
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L81[22:40:33] <Corded> >
<SoraFirestorm> is the OC API actually documented somewhere?
I don't obviou…
L82[22:40:33]

<SoraFirestorm> @Michiyo do we have
this?
L83[22:41:18]

<Michiyo> I
think most of us just fumbled through experimentation and picking
Sangar's brain early on.
L84[22:42:02]

<Michiyo> I
know I bugged him a lot.
L85[22:42:15]

<SoraFirestorm> Mostly I just need to get
into my brain the shape of things
L86[22:42:40]

<SoraFirestorm> I'd really prefer to
design an API that is 'ISA agnostic'
L87[22:42:49]

<SoraFirestorm> ie isn't specific to
Lua, and doesn't necessarily assume a scripting language
L88[22:43:20]

<SoraFirestorm> so looking to see what OC
already does or doesn't have there as a baseline
L89[22:43:22]

<Michiyo>
AFAIK OC's API is already pretty much that, no? The
architecture implements the user side of it.
L90[22:43:49]

<SoraFirestorm> I have no idea. I've
never interacted with the OC API in any capacity as a
developer.
L91[22:43:53]

<SoraFirestorm> That's... why
I'm asking lol
L92[22:44:49]

<Michiyo>
Well "Isn't specific to lua" I took to mean as in
"other architectures added by OC addons" And in that
case, the architecture implements the user parts of like component
access, and stuff. AFAIK anyway, I never used any of the
architecture mods
L93[22:45:15]

<SoraFirestorm> I didn't either
L94[22:45:19]

<SoraFirestorm> it's just that
like
L95[22:45:43]

<SoraFirestorm> what's the point of
having a common computer peripheral device API if it's really
only usable by a certain subset of computer mods?
L96[22:47:04]

<SoraFirestorm> I don't want to shut
out things like emulated real ISAs (ala OC2 or RedPower) or things
that don't really resemble a scripting language (ala
WASM)
L97[22:48:48]

<SoraFirestorm> like... randomly this
showed up in my YouTube feed
L99[22:48:48] <MichiBot>
minecraft
in-dev mod for create electro energetics SHOWCASE//WORKING
OSCILLOSCOPES IN MINECRAFT | by
Mark engineer
L100[22:48:57]

<SoraFirestorm> It's some guy
that's making his own computer mod
L101[22:49:46]

<SoraFirestorm> I have no idea how it
actually works from the user POV, but even if he's doing
something weird like made his own fantasy ISA, it should still be
able to use our common computer peripheral device API
L102[22:50:20] <Izzy> DMA controller for
component calls
L103[22:50:49] <Izzy> Pass a pointer to a
set of pascal strings
L104[22:52:21]

<SoraFirestorm> ... it's
ComputerCraft
L106[22:52:48]

<SoraFirestorm> at least, certain bits are
ComputerCraft
L107[22:52:53] <Corded> >
<Michiyo> reacted 😂 to <SoraFirestorm> ... it's
ComputerCraft
L108[22:57:02]

<SoraFirestorm> like even the computer box
itself is using what is a clearly modified CC texture
L110[22:58:48]

<SoraFirestorm> Clarifies in the comments
that it's a 'computercraft add on for electro
energetics'
L111[22:59:03]

<SoraFirestorm> also we're famous now
lol
L112[23:00:12]

<SoraFirestorm> got mentioned by a
random
L113[23:01:26] <Corded> >
<Michiyo> reacted 😂 to <SoraFirestorm> also
we're famous now lol
L114[23:07:34]

<Ethaphu>
Opencomputers still uses natives right
L115[23:07:34]

<Ethaphu> I
Want to run an Arm Minecraft server I hope I am able to build them
I will have to check once I get home
L116[23:07:41]

<SoraFirestorm> Yes
L117[23:07:55]

<SoraFirestorm> The default is to use
natives if they are available for your CPU+OS combo
L118[23:08:08]

<SoraFirestorm> I don't know if we
have ARM natives or not
L119[23:08:53] <Izzy> me omw to compile
ppc/ppc64 musl natives
L120[23:09:49]

<Ethaphu>
Actually hyped up for it cause I want to see how a Minecraft server
performs with cleanroomMC Java 25 at Oracle free cloud
L121[23:10:05]

<Ethaphu> I
think theres some tricks to get 4 arm cores for free
L122[23:10:29] <Izzy> SKS v13 will be
using cleanroom 1.12.2 hopefully
L123[23:19:33] <Corded> >
<SoraFirestorm> The default is to use natives if they are
available for you…
L124[23:19:33]

<Ethaphu>
The default? There is a fallback?
L125[23:19:53]

<Ethaphu>
Perhaps I will just stick to the fallback idk what you guys but I
have trying to build stuff its always a headache
L126[23:20:02]

<Ethaphu>
+abt
L127[23:20:09]

<Ethaphu> *
hate
L128[23:20:36] <Izzy> I think ARM might be
there check the repo for *.so files btw
L129[23:22:03]

<Ethaphu>
target "blabla" links to target "Blabla" but
the target was not found
L130[23:22:13]

<Ethaphu>
Cmake trauma
L132[23:22:24]

<Ethaphu>
Tense1983 Table Slam
L134[23:22:24] <MichiBot> Title: Just a
moment...
L135[23:23:36] <Corded> >
<Ethaphu> The default? There is a fallback?
L136[23:23:36]

<SoraFirestorm> There's a LuaJ
fallback (the thing that ComputerCraft uses)
L137[23:24:10] <Corded> >
<Ethaphu> reacted 😭 to <MichiBot> Title: Just a
moment...
L138[23:25:44]

<Michiyo>
Downside is, you lose persistence
L139[23:29:08]

<SoraFirestorm> yeah, you lose several of
the hallmark special features of the mod when you use the
fallback
L140[23:30:23] <Izzy> I need to look into
organising LWJGL for PPC for Ocelot
L141[23:30:54] <Izzy> And just
Minecraft
L142[23:45:11] <CompanionCube> i checked,
and OC does indeed have aarch64 natives. Also apparently someone
bothered to add freebsd x86_64 at some point.