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<Spider
EveryOS> %tonk
L4[00:38:19] <MichiBot> Hooray! Spider
EveryOS! You beat Vaur's previous record of 2 hours, 32
minutes and 48 seconds (By 37 minutes and 17 seconds)! I hope
you're happy!
L5[00:38:20] <MichiBot> Spider
EveryOS's new record is 3 hours, 10 minutes and 6 seconds!
Spider EveryOS also gained 0.00186 (0.00062 x 3) tonk points for
stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.02750416 more points to pass
Forecaster!
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<Spider
EveryOS> oh
L7[01:05:41] <Amanda> Hrm
L8[01:05:50] <Amanda> %choose early
zzzmews?
L9[01:05:50] <MichiBot> Amanda: Are you
sure? Well alright.
L10[01:07:25] *
Amanda pawhugs Elfi close, meows eepily about how she borrowed a
pair of maternity trousers from a lesbian fren, whatever those
are
L11[01:08:06] <Amanda> (in the dream they
were very poofy cargo pants
L12[01:08:11] <Amanda> Night girls
L13[01:14:44]

<Squishy>
Hey, I'm having this weird problem with the computer I'm
running a 1.12.2 server and the computers are automatically
shutting down whenever they are everyone leaves the server and
occasionally just randomly when it's unloaded The screen is
frozen, but The computers are turned off
L14[01:14:44]

<Squishy> I
also see this in the logs when first starting up the server
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<Squishy>
[Server thread/WARN] [opencomputers]: Error handling file saving:
Did the server never start?
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L17[01:20:59] <Corded> >
<Squishy> Hey, I'm having this weird problem with the
computer I'm ru…
L18[01:20:59]

<Renno>
Sounds like the persistence bug that was supposedly fixed long
ago
L19[01:24:57]

<Squishy>
Do you think I should make an issue on the GitHub?
L20[01:26:05]

<Squishy> I
have a bunch of mods installed, but I'm not sure which one
could be Conflicting Or what could be causing it?
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L22[02:47:55] <lily> do EEPROMs have access
to tmpfs or is it just an openos thing
L24[02:56:44] <lily> I don't think
it's supposed to do that
L26[03:33:32] <Corded> >
<Squishy> Do you think I should make an issue on the
GitHub?
L27[03:33:32]

<Ocawesome101> What version of oc are you
running?
L28[03:34:42] <Corded> >
<Ocawesome101> What version of oc are you running?
L29[03:34:42]

<Squishy>
OpenComputers-MC1.12.2-1.8.9a+8ca336f.jar
L30[03:35:27]

<Squishy>
It's the most recent version from curseforge
L31[03:38:40]

<Ocawesome101> Fascinating.
L32[04:02:48]

<Forecaster> @Squishy That's a long
standing issue, no-one knows the cause as far as I'm
aware
L33[05:03:36]

<LilyflowerFDL> how would I convert the
keycode in `key_down` to a "real" key
L34[05:15:46] <Corded> >
<Forecaster> @Squishy That's a long standing issue,
no-one knows the cau…
L35[05:15:46]

<Squishy>
Is there an issue ticket related to it? Or should I make one?
L36[05:29:06]

<Forecaster> There probably is at least
one
L38[05:37:16]

<Squishy>
There's this one, but it looks like it's been closed
:(
L39[05:37:16] <MichiBot>
Title:
Computer Persistence not working
| Posted by: adriaanvanzyl
| Posted: Sat Mar 28 22:47:37 UTC 2020
| Status:
closed
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<Squishy>
It's similar to their problem, but they're having it in
single player Well, all I'm having the same problem is
multi-player
L41[06:18:09] <Izzy> lily: tmpfs is for all
computers, even drones and uCs
L42[06:18:19] <Izzy> (Which does mean you
can run PsychOS on them, yes :3)
L43[06:18:51] <Izzy> Hm. I should try
remounting /boot as mtfs
L44[06:22:04] <Izzy> Theoretically you
could cook up a kernel that has all the code needed for
netboot...
L45[06:22:38] <Izzy> That is, native /boot
on mtfs
L46[06:24:13] <Izzy> Could do like, 45M
tape, export a /boot for each machine, heaps of storage
L47[06:24:21] <Izzy> Maybe even trick
OpenOS into doing it :o
L48[06:25:43] <Izzy> Though booting OpenOS
over mtfs is glacial I've done that before
L49[07:02:34]

<Spider
EveryOS> %tonkout
L50[07:02:34] <MichiBot> By my throth!
Spider EveryOS! You beat your own previous record of 3 hours, 10
minutes and 6 seconds (By 3 hours, 14 minutes and 9 seconds)! I
hope you're happy!
L51[07:02:35] <MichiBot> Spider EveryOS
has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.006 tonk points!
plus 0.01 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score:
2.61498271, Position #2 Need 0.01150416 more points to pass
Forecaster!
L52[07:38:53] <Corded> > <Izzy>
Though booting OpenOS over mtfs is glacial I've done that
b…
L53[07:38:53]

<RedstoneParkour> if the computer has ram
to spare one can load an mtar.lss of openos into ram and boot
that
L54[07:49:32]

<Forecaster> @Squishy you should know that
OC isn't being actively maintained for any minecraft version
currently, so it's unlikely anything will happen, so your time
might be better spent figuring out a workaround
L55[08:03:01] <Izzy> that IS true
L56[08:03:09] <Izzy> I should really make a
generic mtarfs some time >.<
L57[08:52:16] <Corded> > <Izzy> I
should really make a generic mtarfs some time >.<
L58[08:52:16]

<RedstoneParkour> you could reuse
ocawesome's mtarfs loader
L59[08:53:06] <Izzy> I have PsychOS pkgfs
which can load compressed mtars but it is not generic and only
presently supports one instance, nominally
L60[08:53:51] <Izzy> it does support
multiple mtars in one filesystem though so there's that
L61[08:54:03]

<Vaur>
%redshell Forecaster
L62[08:54:04] <MichiBot> Vaur: You
can't snipe right now. Try again in 4 hours, 28 minutes and 18
seconds.
L63[09:03:21]

<Forecaster> %tonk
L64[09:03:21] <MichiBot> Boo-yah!
Forecaster! You beat Spider EveryOS's previous record of
<0 (By 2 hours and 47 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L65[09:03:22] <MichiBot> Forecaster's
new record is 2 hours and 47 seconds! Forecaster also gained
0.00201 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.
L66[09:07:21]

<Spider
EveryOS> %sip
L67[09:07:21] <MichiBot> You drink a steady
tomato potion (New!). Sitting down suddenly seems like a really
terrible idea.
L68[09:07:29]

<Spider
EveryOS> %sit
L69[09:10:24]

<Vaur>
%chug
L70[09:10:24] <MichiBot> You drink a
serif-only ocean potion (New!). The bottle turns into an automato
sling.
L71[09:10:57]

<LilyflowerFDL> Is it at all possible to
have a RAID in unmanaged mode?
L72[09:11:31]

<Forecaster> I believe so
L73[09:12:04]

<LilyflowerFDL> I tried putting three
unmanaged drives in but it just set them to managed when I put the
third in
L74[09:13:14]

<LilyflowerFDL> Also, what's with the
bug where OC renderers become "static"?
L77[09:13:32]

<LilyflowerFDL> Happens to disk drives and
racks otol.
L78[09:13:35]

<LilyflowerFDL> * too.
L79[09:31:16] <Izzy> it's only you
getting these
L80[09:31:25] <Izzy> so I think it's
cleanroom related issues
L81[09:31:38] <Izzy> unless the newer AMD
card drivers are particularly bad
L82[09:33:40] <Corded> > <Izzy>
so I think it's cleanroom related issues
L83[09:33:40]

<LilyflowerFDL> happens on non-cleanroom
too iirc
L84[09:34:03]

<LilyflowerFDL> and I don't *think*
amdgpu is buggy?
L85[09:46:57]

<LilyflowerFDL> when sending a linked card
message from a tablet to a relay - what port does the relay send
the received message on?
L86[09:47:00]

<LilyflowerFDL> or is the tunnel
one-way
L87[09:53:23] <Corded> >
<LilyflowerFDL> when sending a linked card message from a
tablet to a relay…
L88[09:53:23]

<RedstoneParkour> not sure if this is
supported
L89[09:53:53]

<LilyflowerFDL> it definitely is, I can
send messages *to* the tablet
L90[09:54:12]

<LilyflowerFDL> and I can send a wake
message, which does boot it
L91[10:00:01] <Izzy> I can say that's
not a supported setup for minitel
L92[10:01:00]

<LilyflowerFDL> probably won't use it
for MT :p
L93[10:25:50] <Amanda> %p
L94[10:25:52] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
Amanda 0.3s
L95[10:25:57] <Amanda> Purrfect
L96[10:26:30] *
Amanda flops down atop Izzy, meows about how it's not fair
that her super power is just "assemble blocks in the correct
order" when her bestie has the power to resist all
toxins
L97[10:33:49] <Izzy> Assemble a cabinet at
them
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L105[13:05:43] <Amanda> %remindme 30m
6986
L106[13:05:44] <MichiBot> I'll tell
you "6986" in 30m at 12/19/2025 01:35:43 PM
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<Spider
EveryOS> %tonk
L109[13:15:00] <MichiBot> By my throth!
Spider EveryOS! You beat Forecaster's previous record of 2
hours and 47 seconds (By 2 hours, 10 minutes and 51 seconds)! I
hope you're happy!
L110[13:15:01] <MichiBot> Spider
EveryOS's new record is 4 hours, 11 minutes and 39 seconds!
Spider EveryOS also gained 0.00654 (0.00218 x 3) tonk points for
stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.00697416 more points to pass
Forecaster!
L111[13:35:44] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER:
6986
L112[15:09:27] <Amanda> Ugh. I need to
configure one of those anti-ai roadblocks for my git site.
L113[15:10:11] <Amanda> Looks like
something in Huwai cloud's pulling down one of my repos, one
commit at a time, via the blame view
L114[15:12:38]

<Vaur>
%redshell Forecaster
L115[15:12:38] <MichiBot> Vaur:
Unfortunately you missed with a 7 vs 14.
L116[15:13:07] <Amanda> 'cause heaven
forbid they just download the repo and do the scraping locally.
Fucking AI cunts are too webdev-pilled
L117[15:34:12] <lily> Amanda: they're
easily circumventable
L118[15:35:01] <lily> one of them, I
forgot the name but if your UA is curl it automatically passes
you
L119[15:35:12] <lily> (although I
don't think AI scrapers are smart enough to do that)
L120[15:36:03] <lily> although they
can't exactly just break curl support either
L121[15:36:56] <Lizzy> Being easily
circumventable and AI companies actually making their shit do that
aren't 1:1
L122[15:36:58]

<RedstoneParkour> since its a git site
banning curl from everything but raw seems fair
L123[15:37:11] <Amanda> ^
L124[15:37:14]

<RedstoneParkour> if you want more info
then clone the repo
L125[15:37:29] <lily> what do you mean
"from everything but raw"
L126[15:37:33] <lily> like, a browser with
their UA as curl?
L127[15:37:44]

<RedstoneParkour> yeah
L128[15:37:45] <lily> how do you determine
if something really is curl or if it's the curl UA on a normal
browser
L129[15:37:59] <Amanda> You
don't
L130[15:38:00]

<RedstoneParkour> why would someone put
the curl ua on their browser
L131[15:38:19] <Lizzy> <lily> how do
you determine if something really is curl or if it's the curl
UA on a normal browser
L132[15:38:20] <Amanda> You just
don't make the "curl bypass" work for anything that
you wouldn't want to curl
L133[15:38:21] <Lizzy> Sounds like a
problem on the browser user
L134[15:38:48] <Amanda> if you try and
curl a raw file, it's fine, if you try and curl the blame
html, that's not fine
L135[15:39:01] <lily> what if you're
using a terminal based browser
L136[15:39:07] <lily> not
unreasonable
L137[15:39:21] <Lizzy> Then it'll
show up as that browser, not curl
L138[15:39:31] <lily> and then people will
just set their UA to that
L139[15:39:35] <Lizzy> But also, at that
point, you could just clone the repo normally
L140[15:39:39] <lily> OK that's
fair
L141[15:40:15] <Lizzy> Trying to
accommodate users doing stupid shit is not worth it
L142[15:40:20] <lily> In unrelated news,
`jbmsc010.mid: Audio file with ID3 version 2.3.0, contains: MPEG
ADTS, layer III, v1, 160 kbps, 44.1 kHz, Stereo`
L143[15:40:24] <lily> No I don't
think that's a MIDI.
L144[15:40:26] <Amanda> I don't think
the Anti-ai thing I'm thinking of would even work with a
non-javascript-having browser, I think it does some proof-of-work
on the client before forwarding the request to the server
L145[15:40:46] <lily> Isn't POW the
same thing cryptominers use
L146[15:41:08] <lily> Also, if it's
the one lore.kernel.org and archwiki use, it's definitely
circumventable with curl
L147[15:41:15] <Amanda> I can't for
the life of me remember the name of the project though, I know Izzy
has it setup for git.shadowkat.net though, and codeberg.org also
uses it
L148[15:41:28] <lily> yeah we're
definitely thinking of the same one
L149[15:41:37] <Amanda> That's what a
layered WAF is for
L150[15:41:39] <lily> I have
git.shadowkat.net set to use the curl UA
L151[15:42:03] <Amanda> MAke a WAF rule
that disallows curl access to everything that isn't under /api
or a raw file link
L152[15:42:14] <Lizzy> Amanda:
anubis
L153[15:42:19] <lily> that's the one
yeah
L154[15:42:21] <Amanda> Lizzy: danke
L155[15:44:42] <Lizzy> Also, my strategy
currently is any ai bot user agent just gets returned 403 (or maybe
the payment required one) regardless of the request, and also the
IP ranges owned by any of the AI companies are just `iptables -t
raw -A PREROUTING -s <iprange> -j DROP` so they can't
even initiate a connection
L156[15:45:34] <lily> Wouldn't it be
funnier to redirect them to something they don't want, or
would that be more expensive (either timewise or computationally if
it's a lot of requests)
L157[15:46:18] <lily> Although you could
probably safely return 418 instead of 403, in the minor hope that
their scraper doesn't properly handle that.
L158[15:46:41] <Lizzy> I did have them
going in a redirect loop for a bit, but then I just set it to
drop/403 cause even doing redirect looping uses some amount of
resources on my part
L159[15:47:19] <Lizzy> If I set up one of
those things that gives it poisoned data then I'll let them
query my stuff just so they get crap data
L160[15:47:47] <lily> it's a bit of
an arms race tbh
L161[15:48:05] <Amanda> Lizzy: That
won't stop them. They'll just switch to residental IP
proxies on their employee's homes
L162[15:48:16] <lily> Is that legal
L163[15:48:21] <lily> Not, that they
care
L164[15:48:33] <Lizzy> Amanda: hence
blocking the useragent
L165[15:49:19] <Amanda> At least, I assume
it's their employee's homes, not you know, pwned
devices
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L167[15:49:47] <Lizzy> If I had some more
automated request monitoring stuff, I could also reliably check
their request pattern and start blocking based on that
L168[15:50:23] <Amanda> Hrm. anubis
doesn't seem that complicated to get set up at all
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L170[15:53:04] <lily> hm. starting to
wonder if this is an EFR bug and not an FM one...
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L173[16:03:30] <lily> yeesh, class
transformer blanket transforming `colorMultiplier` hit gany's
surface by accident
L174[16:03:43] <lily> another bytecode
patch on the pile!
L175[16:31:02] <Amanda> Let's see if
this breaks everything!
L176[16:44:35] <Amanda> %p
L177[16:44:36] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
Amanda 0.28s
L178[16:44:44] <Amanda> Well, it seems to
have gotten installed fine
L179[17:08:55] <Amanda> Huh... I
don't actually see in anubis where it's explicitly
allowing curl.
L180[17:09:07] <Amanda> I wonder if
that's something Izzy setup on her own
L182[17:11:58] <lily> Amanda: every
website I've encountered that uses it explicitly allows curl
afaict
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L184[17:12:13] <lily> so unless all of
them decided to manually add it
L186[17:13:29] <Amanda> so maybe
you're just not getting flagged as a likely bot by the other
rules
L187[17:15:03]

<LilyflowerFDL> I've definitely been
flagged every time I visit one of them with the bypass
disabled
L188[17:15:08]

<LilyflowerFDL> at the very least on the
initial visit
L189[17:15:16]

<LilyflowerFDL> shrug
L190[17:15:21] <Amanda> What browser do
you use?
L191[17:15:23] <lily> firefox
L192[17:15:32] <lily> won't catch me
dead using chrome
L193[17:16:03] <lily> interesting. this
world load hang is a serene seasons issue
L194[17:16:24] <Amanda> Do you have the
firefox AI stuff enabled?
L195[17:16:29] <lily> The
whowhatnow?
L198[17:17:33] <Amanda> ( or chrome, or
safari )
L199[17:18:02] <Amanda> But also past the
intial load, it'll set a cookie which will bypass the
challange for awhile
L200[17:18:22] <lily> yeah, I test in
private browsing to make sure I don't get accepted by
that
L201[17:20:42] <Amanda> If you try and
load git.camnet.site I can check the anubis logs to see what
exactly is causing you to get the challange
L202[17:21:04] <lily> Huh. I didn't
get it that time
L203[17:21:16] <lily> I did on the initial
visit to git.shadowket.net
L204[17:21:17] <lily> But not here
L205[17:21:45] <lily> Wack
L206[17:22:44] <lily> Unrelated: oh god
this mod is gradle 4.4
L207[17:22:47] <lily> positively
ancient
L209[17:23:20] <lily> wow it doesn't
even recognize java 21
L210[17:23:35] <lily> Amanda: uuuuuh,
maybe?
L211[17:24:05] <lily> firefox does send
that though
L212[17:24:10] <lily> at least it does
just now
L213[17:24:31] <lily> `Could not determine
java version from '21.0.9'.` 10/10
L214[17:25:21] <lily> "You're
using ForgeGradle-1.2-1.0.x which is not going to be
developed." that's an understatement.
L215[17:42:48]

<Forecaster> %tonk
L216[17:42:48] <MichiBot> Dagnammit!
Forecaster! You beat Spider EveryOS's previous record of 4
hours, 11 minutes and 39 seconds (By 16 minutes and 9 seconds)! I
hope you're happy!
L217[17:42:49] <MichiBot>
Forecaster's new record is 4 hours, 27 minutes and 48 seconds!
Forecaster also gained 0.00135 (0.00027 x 5) tonk points for
stealing the tonk. Position #1.
L218[18:07:46] <lily>
cpw.mods.fml.common.LoaderException: java.lang.RuntimeException:
Invalid id 9713 - maximum id range exceeded. oh hey
L219[18:07:50] <lily> it's this
again
L220[18:28:00]

<Brisingr
Aerowing> What game version are you on, lily?
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L222[18:29:22] <lily> 1.7.10 :3
L223[18:29:25] <lily> I just added NEID to
fix it
L224[18:29:42] <lily> EndlessIDs is too
invasive for my taste
L225[18:29:51] <lily> breaks thaumcraft
sometimes
L226[18:31:25] <Lizzy> hmm, have
discovered that when you view snapshots for a dataset on TrueNAS,
it actually gets *all* snapshots then does filtering on the webpage
to just what you want... which seems stupid
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L228[19:31:08] <Izzy> Amanda: anubis only
cares about browser-adjacent UAs
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L231[19:50:35] <Amanda> Izzy: It's
got rules in there for crawllers like google/ddg though
L232[22:04:08]

<Spider
EveryOS> %tonkout
L233[22:04:09] <MichiBot> I'm sorry
Spider EveryOS, you were not able to beat Forecaster's
record of 4 hours, 27 minutes and 48 seconds this time. 4 hours, 21
minutes and 20 seconds were wasted! Missed by 6 minutes and 27
seconds!
L234[22:15:52] <Amanda> %choose
laptopnaptime?
L235[22:15:52] <MichiBot> Amanda: I
flipped a coin. It said "Aaaaaaaaah!". It might have been
a sapient coin...
L236[22:16:07] <Amanda> dangit, where does
MichiBot keep getting these sapient coins!?
L237[22:16:39] <Amanda> Anyway, %splash
@Forecaster with mutable ruby potion
L238[22:16:39] <MichiBot> You fling a
mutable ruby potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster.
@Forecaster turns into a platypus girl until they have a porous
rubium potion.
L239[22:17:09] <Amanda> Bleh
L240[22:17:19] <Amanda> I don't feel
like working on my homelab anymore tonight
L241[22:46:08] <Amanda> %choose candy or
soda or iced creams
L242[22:46:08] <MichiBot> Amanda: I sense
some "soda" in your future!
L243[23:03:45]

<Kristobear38> fingercomp: can current
ocelot emulate distance between wireless cards?
L244[23:04:59]

<Kristobear38> as in, if computer housing
the receiving card is too far on the grid you'd not get the
modem message
L245[23:30:53] ⇦
Quits: Vexatos (~Vexatos@2001:4647:af75:0:9954:2416:cb02:74c9)
(Quit: Insert quantum chemistry joke here)
L246[23:31:15] <Amanda> %choose
laptopnaptime or continue staring at the transfer
L247[23:31:15] <MichiBot> Amanda:
Elementary dear Watson, "continue staring at the
transfer" is the obvious choice!