L1[03:27:33] <Forec​aster> %tonkout

L2[03:27:42] <MichiBot> Holy empty wooden chest Batman! Forec​aster! You beat your own previous record of 4 hours and 24 seconds (By 3 minutes and 49 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L3[03:27:43] <MichiBot> Forec​aster has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.004 tonk points! plus 0.006 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 2.3462001, Position #2 Need 0.07077977 more points to pass Spider ​EveryOS!

L4[03:28:26] <Forec​aster> %redshell "Spider EveryOS"

L5[03:28:41] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: Unfortunately you missed with a 8 vs 14.

L6[03:28:46] <Forec​aster> dmn

L7[03:29:11] <Forec​aster> +a

L8[04:06:22] <Va​ur> %chug

L9[04:06:29] <MichiBot> You drink a seeping nectar potion (New!). Vaur remembers an unimportant appointment.

L10[04:08:34] <Spider ​EveryOS> %sip

L11[04:08:39] <MichiBot> You drink a fragrant ocean potion (New!). Spider EveryOS turns into a bear boy until they find a lamp.

L12[05:02:48] <Forec​aster> %tonk

L13[05:02:51] <MichiBot> Geez! Forec​aster! You beat your own previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 35 minutes and 12 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L14[05:02:52] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 1 hour, 35 minutes and 12 seconds! No points gained for stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.00159)

L17[05:18:35] <Va​ur> %chug

L18[05:18:39] <MichiBot> You drink a big moonstone potion (New!). Sitting down suddenly seems like a really terrible idea.

L19[05:47:33] <Amanda> %choose deck or tablet

L20[05:47:38] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I sense some "tablet" in your future!

L21[05:47:48] <Amanda> but what about right meow?

L22[05:53:29] <Forec​aster> deck now, tablet later!

L23[09:15:42] <Forec​aster> %tonk

L24[09:15:44] <MichiBot> Aw jeez! Forec​aster! You beat your own previous record of 1 hour, 35 minutes and 12 seconds (By 2 hours, 37 minutes and 40 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L25[09:15:45] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 4 hours, 12 minutes and 52 seconds! No points gained for stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.00263 x 2 = 0.00526)

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L34[13:06:31] <Ar​iri> Izzy: do u ever have issues of ur psql logs being massive due to pleroma

L35[13:07:06] <Ar​iri> i have like 3-4GB log files for each day of the week and the postgresql.conf settings for rotation dont seem to help at all

L36[13:07:28] <Ar​iri> thinking about just scripting an auto-delete after a certain size and making that a cron job but that seems silly

L38[14:04:37] <Izzy> Ariri: if the logs are significant I haven't noticed

L40[14:19:54] <Brisingr​ Aerowing> %splash @Forecaster

L41[14:19:55] <MichiBot> You fling a crunchy citrus potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster. The potion was inside @Forecaster all along.

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L46[15:51:15] <S3> :set nu

L47[15:51:59] <Izzy> :set rnu

L48[15:58:43] <Hawk777> :set meow

L49[15:59:46] <S3> OMG

L50[15:59:57] <S3> I wanted to know what rnu did, so I tried it

L51[16:00:03] <S3> Now my line numbers are really fucked up XD

L52[16:00:46] <S3> Must be relative line numbering

L53[16:01:23] <Izzy> yup

L54[16:01:31] <S3> That was @#$% up

L55[16:04:08] <Izzy> it's pretty neat

L56[16:05:21] <Hawk777> Haha I actually have rnu by default, I just misread it in my IRC client as mu, hence my meow comment.

L57[16:08:07] <S3> I was editing my dwm sources and don't have nu default yet because I haven't set up my vimrc since I reformatted and typed it into here by accident

L58[16:09:45] <Hawk777> I like rnu because I’m not good at visually counting above about 4 quickly.

L59[16:12:33] <S3> I don't have issues with that but I do have issues counting things that are shaped the same.

L60[16:12:57] <S3> So for example, a large mass of ()s. I love lisp, but when I'm finishing and closing pairs it becomes annoying to look at.

L61[16:14:26] <Hawk777> I guess, I’m not sure if my situation is typical or atypical. What I mean is, for numbers up to about 3 or 4, I can just look and instantly know the number. For higher numbers, I have to actually stare at it and go line by line, which is annoying and slow.

L62[16:14:50] <Hawk777> I can’t glance at it and instantly go “oh yeah that’s ten lines”.

L63[16:20:03] <Kristo​bear38> Hawk777: I've seen an evolutionary explanation for this

L64[16:20:46] <Kristo​bear38> When judging threats, it does make a difference if there are 3 or 4 lions

L65[16:21:32] <Kristo​bear38> But anything above 5 just doesn't matter much beyond "it's a lot and you're screwed"

L66[16:21:40] <Hawk777> That does make sense.

L67[16:24:00] <Kristo​bear38> So people can distinguish between 1-5 amount of a thing at glance, and above 5 conscious counting is needed

L68[16:26:01] <Izzy> vampires when the salt:

L69[16:40:40] <S3> I had a weird dream.

L70[16:42:14] <S3> Izzy, do you still have your underlying OS that minitel ran on?

L71[16:45:10] <Izzy> ..?

L72[16:45:11] <S3> I vaguely remember that minitel was just half the project. It's been so long.

L73[16:45:16] <S3> Maybe I am wrong.

L74[16:45:21] <Izzy> it runs on OpenOS, PsychOS, and KittenOS NEO, among others

L75[16:45:26] <Izzy> (there is also an embedded implementation)

L76[16:49:01] <S3> I had this really weird dream where every line card in the RWDM switch ran an embedded OC instance and minitel was used by the chassis to talk to each line card LOL. If you would let me embed it, that is. I might make it standalone Lua though without the OC API instead (not an addon)

L77[16:55:41] <Izzy> that sounds kind of cute and not impossible to port to

L78[16:56:14] <S3> I definitely know that I want to run an embedded Lua interpreter for each line card. That includes the OC / CC network transponders, redstone signal transponder, AE2 transponders etc (Yeah it'd be cool to encapsulate AE2 inside of redfiber RWDM signals).

L79[16:56:38] <Izzy> it may interest you to know that I've been working on adding more advanced routing and network admin features to minitel

L80[16:56:51] <Izzy> got VLANs working, next will be NAT

L81[16:56:53] <S3> Oh yeah?

L82[16:57:21] <S3> I have been thinking about how effective Minitel could be used as a replacement for OSRP.

L83[16:58:03] <S3> OSRP is basically a control protocol similar to dynamic routing like OSPF and all that not for routes but for tracking what circuits / frequencies are where, where they go and the health of them etc.

L84[16:58:18] <Izzy> you'll set your like, inter-net routers up so that "this interface has a suffix of .whatever" and then anything .whatever will be routed onto that network and have the suffix stripped

L85[16:58:21] <S3> Basiclaly, I need to use some protocol to build a "graph" of the entire network

L86[16:59:22] <S3> That's cool.

L87[16:59:27] <Izzy> where an interface is a network card / VLAN combination :3

L88[17:00:23] <S3> My thinking is I could definitely benefit from having some sort of network circuit switching system that can be thrown down that isn't the primary protocol necessarily but instead can tunnel protocols of any kind (minitel liqidnet if that's still a thing, etc)

L89[17:00:42] <S3> it would be 100% independent and transparent

L90[17:01:47] <S3> But for it to work it still needs protocols for controlling or configuring that system.

L91[17:04:26] <S3> I would make this very similar to the way current swicthing systems often work, where the software doesn't do "routing" on the circuit paths at all. Instead, it's configured, and packets are routed through circuits autonomously with preconfigured paths. It's then the responsibility of the routing protocols you connect to it (such as building a minitel network) to speak end to end with machines across the network.

L92[17:05:37] <S3> The switches just say, "oh, some packet (minitel or not it doesn't even know) arrived on this fiber, that fiber is plugged in on this port, this port is connected to this multiplexer, which gave it frequency X, frequency X is mapped to this output port, that port connects to some trunk cable with say 16 fibers in it, and it just shares one cable and goes to base #2.

L93[17:06:52] <S3> so as a minecraft engineer you would plug in your patch ins to make the circuits you need, and then type in each sub circuit you needed, and tell it to just figure it out. It would automatically provision using that OSRP like protocol

L94[17:07:09] <S3> and like magic, whatever you send over it, even a basic redstone signal will just get there.

L95[17:08:01] <S3> I know my explanations are super wordy, but I seriously don't know how simpler to explain all of thos unnecessary stuff.

L96[17:12:29] <Izzy> am I understanding correctly in that you'd set up some arbitrary ... patch panels, then have things at either end of the connections to talk via them/.

L97[17:18:30] <S​3> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1763947110360.png

L98[17:18:49] <S​3> Here's a simple example I can come up with

L99[17:19:13] <S​3> here we have a loop ring between bases, but this could be a star configuration, a bus (please don't), or a mesh

L100[17:19:47] <Izzy> the network backbone in valle niasmor is a bus

L101[17:20:30] <S​3> the switch you would install line cards that fit that purpose. For example if you needed just one redstone signal for some reason between base C and B, you could insert a redstone transponder on the RWDM switches at B and C, and then configure a new "sub network" between the two. then plug in the redstoine to each port and it just works.

L102[17:20:43] <S​3> The switch doesn't know what you're sending, or anything.

L103[17:21:06] <Izzy> makes sense. you're just running A Connection

L104[17:21:15] <Izzy> https://cdn.shadowkat.net/media/a4/c6/82/a4c6825ccdcf7183ccfb0771fec0ecfa4b2c8491d667859b8cab11ef887da8d6.jpg

L105[17:21:29] <S​3> yep. However, the OC/CC transponder for example could be more powerful

L106[17:21:45] <S​3> it could support multiple protocols built in if you wanted, or just be transparent

L107[17:22:24] <S​3> Yep, I remember this photo, that's pretty awesome.

L108[17:22:56] <S​3> Whoever came up with that design was brilliant

L109[17:24:08] <S​3> I like transparency, because then it doesn't matter how far or how crazy your hub network or trunk is

L110[17:24:27] <S​3> to the perspective of say a minitel router, all it knows is that that interface somehow hits some other router, somewhere.

L111[17:26:39] <S​3> I could also make this challenging at some point. I.e., the distance of the fiber requires a certain amount of power. The longer it is the more power it consumes.

L112[17:27:42] <S​3> I could introduce chromatic dispersion, so that if you have 100+ kilometers of fiber, it gets to the point where you should build a little hut and re amplify the signal

L113[17:27:56] <S​3> as well as some attenuation

L114[17:28:13] <S​3> That's a long distance, but as an example.

L115[17:29:37] <S3> Anyway, I see my project idea more like an inter-base / inter-facility interconnect.

L116[17:29:57] <S3> Or as a way to trunk a heckton of signals in a single fiber.

L118[17:30:41] <S3> If I do single core fiber, 16 channels, plus a bundle fiber which has 16 fiber core colors, that's 256 signals in one cable..

L119[17:30:46] <S3> Sorry I'm going nuts LOL

L120[18:31:35] <Spider ​EveryOS> %tonkout

L121[18:31:36] <MichiBot> Hooray! Spider ​EveryOS! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 4 hours, 12 minutes and 52 seconds (By 5 hours, 2 minutes and 58 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L122[18:31:37] <MichiBot> Spider ​EveryOS has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.009 tonk points! plus 0.008 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 2.43797987. Position #1

L123[18:35:58] <Mic​hiyo> This is my evening \o/ https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1763951758000.jpg

L126[20:11:51] <Forec​aster> %tonk

L127[20:11:53] <MichiBot> Huzzah! Forec​aster! You beat Spider ​EveryOS's previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 40 minutes and 17 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L128[20:11:54] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 1 hour, 40 minutes and 17 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00167 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.09010977 more points to pass Spider ​EveryOS!

L129[20:12:26] <Forec​aster> %greenshell "Spider EveryOS"

L130[20:12:27] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: You can't snipe right now. Try again in 7 hours, 16 minutes and 13 seconds.

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L134[20:54:29] <Ar​iri> idk what a trans siberian orchestra is but that sounds metal af

L135[21:00:34] <Forec​aster> I bet they only play classical music

L138[22:01:44] <Corded> > <Mic​hiyo> This is my evening \o/

L139[22:01:44] <Spider ​EveryOS> Nice

L140[22:17:28] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> I bet they only play classical music

L141[22:17:28] <Mic​hiyo> I mean.. yeah, but also no.

L142[22:17:51] <Mic​hiyo> Very metal classical lol