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L1[00:30:27] <Redston​eParkour> %sip
L2[00:30:32] <MichiBot> You drink a serif-only sapphire potion (New!). Tonk moved forward 3 hours. (Rem. uses: 2)
L3[00:59:43] <Spider ​EveryOS> %sip serif-only sapphire potion
L4[00:59:44] <MichiBot> You drink a serif-only sapphire potion. Tonk moved forward 2 hours. (Rem. uses: 1)
L5[01:03:04] <Rono​blium> Can I use the server as the computer?
L6[01:03:11] <Rono​blium> * (item) as the computer?
L7[01:07:21] <Redston​eParkour> you have to put it in a rack and assign a side to it
L8[01:08:17] <Forec​aster> Technically you only have to connect it to a side if you want to use peripherals :>
L9[01:09:26] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> Technically you only have to connect it to a side if you wa…
L10[01:09:27] <Rono​blium> how do I do it?
L11[01:09:32] <Rono​blium> wait
L12[01:32:33] <Rono​blium> Finally found out how
L13[01:32:39] <Rono​blium> Time to use MineOS
L14[01:34:16] * Izzy points to fully decked out T3 server
L15[01:34:24] <Izzy> finally, a computer with enough memory to run MineOS
L16[01:35:26] <Corded> > <Iz​zy> finally, a computer with enough memory to run MineOS
L17[01:35:27] <Rono​blium> LMAOO
L18[01:35:47] <Rono​blium> * LMFAOO
L19[02:17:10] <Re​nno> mineOS is overrated tbh
L20[02:17:23] <Re​nno> impressive feat of engineering but I've never seen anyone do anything useful with it yet
L21[02:17:39] <Re​nno> 99 times out of 100 it's just some gimmicky "oo this is flashy"
L22[03:48:21] <Corded> > <Re​nno> mineOS is overrated tbh
L23[03:48:21] <Jaja ​Steele> Yeah it's not really useful for actual gameplay or anything
L24[03:48:21] <Jaja ​Steele> Tho imo it's a good way to showcase to people who don't really know the limits of the mod, what cool stuff you can do with it, both technically or graphically
L25[04:01:55] <Izzy> I'm not ruling out it being a bug, but huh, OpenOS with some Minitel extras compresses down to 150KiB from 480KiB https://uranus.shadowkat.net/tmp/6aae.png
L26[04:04:46] <Spider ​EveryOS> %sip serif-only sapphire potion
L27[04:04:48] <MichiBot> You drink a serif-only sapphire potion. Tonk moved forward 2 hours. (Rem. uses: 0)
L28[04:14:31] <Redston​eParkour> %sip
L29[04:14:33] <MichiBot> You drink a bubbly dilithium potion (New!). Some tonk points fly by. RedstoneParkour caught 0.049 tonk points. (Rem. uses: 1)
L30[04:17:23] * Amanda meows and looks around
L31[04:17:23] * Amanda orders MichiBot some %soup
L32[04:17:26] <Re​nno> isn't booting from something that compressed pretty slow?
L33[04:17:31] <MichiBot> Waiter!! Waiter!! Theres metal things in my soup!
L34[04:17:44] <Amanda> ... That's called a Spoon, MichiBot
L35[04:19:33] <Corded> > <Re​nno> isn't booting from something that compressed pretty slow?
L36[04:19:33] <Redston​eParkour> its probably faster because you have to read less
L37[04:20:19] <Amanda> The filesystem access is the slowest part, probably
L38[04:20:27] <Amanda> Having to go from Lua -> C -> Java
L39[04:20:55] <Corded> > <Redston​eParkour> its probably faster because you have to read less
L40[04:20:55] <Re​nno> but don't you have to decomress?
L41[04:21:02] <Re​nno> decompress*
L42[04:21:11] <Amanda> the decompression happens entirely in Lua
L43[04:21:21] <Izzy> the archive isn't bootable
L44[04:21:47] <Re​nno> yea but it still takes some time
L45[04:21:56] <Izzy> it's infinitely faster than component calls
L46[04:21:58] <Re​nno> idk how much slower reading data from a file is compared to decompressing it
L47[04:22:07] <Izzy> though haruhi help you when I port pkgfs to OpenOS
L48[04:22:10] <Amanda> again, Lua -> C -> Java
L49[04:22:21] <Amanda> That's much slower
L50[04:22:27] <Amanda> Crossing several ABI boundries
L51[04:22:41] <Izzy> (and, again, component call limits)
L52[04:22:47] <Corded> > <Re​nno> idk how much slower reading data from a file is compared to…
L53[04:22:47] <Redston​eParkour> fs reads are limited to 2048 bytes per tick iirc
L54[04:23:05] <Re​nno> hmm, so there could actually be a significant boot time optimization by compressing boot files and uncompressing on startup
L55[04:23:24] <Izzy> I think the limit is higher than that RedstoneParkour (though that is the per-call limit)
L56[04:23:33] <Izzy> think you get N direct component calls per tick
L57[04:23:58] <Redston​eParkour> if its the per-call limit then multiply by 1.5 for T3 iirc
L58[04:24:30] <Redston​eParkour> may be misunderstanding how call budgets work though
L59[04:25:08] <Izzy> there's two types of calls, you have direct and indirect. indirect interacts with the world so you get one per tick, but direct is within the OC state so you get more of the
L60[04:25:10] <Izzy> m
L61[04:25:22] <Izzy> I may have the terms backwards but the effect is the same
L62[04:26:43] <Re​nno> that being the difference between gpu.set and something like a transposer call
L63[04:27:11] <Re​nno> I thought at first that my boot logo was slowing down my OS, but I timed it and it reads 0.0 with a computer.uptime() check
L64[04:27:29] <Corded> > <Re​nno> that being the difference between gpu.set and something lik…
L65[04:27:30] <Redston​eParkour> gpu.set is special and has its own limits iirc
L66[04:28:59] <Re​nno> I think I saw it was like 16 or something
L67[04:31:44] <Izzy> additionally, I would say that fitting more on the disk outweighs potential speed downsides in many usecases, if said downsides did exist :)
L68[04:32:24] <Forec​aster> %sip bubbly dilithium
L69[04:32:25] <MichiBot> You drink a bubbly dilithium potion. Some tonk points fly by. Forecaster caught 0.006 tonk points. (Rem. uses: 0)
L70[04:33:22] <Re​nno> hmm I might preinclude lzss and the other lzss tools like liblz16 in my os
L71[04:33:26] <Re​nno> would be handy
L72[04:36:53] <Izzy> the reason I'm poking at this stuff is to put out an updated disk with the latest BBS client and a copy of mtpm :3
L73[04:37:31] <Re​nno> nice
L74[04:37:54] <Re​nno> I'm aiming to get my OS stuff pretty much ironed out before I go ahead on any other reliant projects
L75[04:38:21] <Re​nno> it would be pretty annoying to have to go and update all of whatever devices that run it
L76[04:38:52] <Izzy> I'm going to worry about my machines and the library computers, there's been no breaking changes, just improvements
L77[04:39:02] <Izzy> mtpm is on the file server
L78[04:39:11] <Re​nno> wasn't there an update that broke the drone thing?
L79[04:39:20] <Re​nno> it stopped working on my end a while back
L80[04:40:07] <Izzy> also does anyone know if "floppy label resets when set to read only" is a reported bug yet?
L81[04:40:25] <Izzy> it is!
L82[04:40:46] <Izzy> there's a PR to fix it even
L83[04:40:47] <Izzy> very good
L84[04:44:21] <Re​nno> Would V1.8.10 be the next OC version?
L85[04:44:32] <Re​nno> It would be pretty handy to have that floppy bug fixed
L86[04:44:53] <Re​nno> I've been naming mine in the anvil for years 💀
L87[04:47:20] <Izzy> still loses the computer-readable label x-x
L88[05:09:14] <Izzy> hehe https://uranus.shadowkat.net/tmp/5458.png
L89[05:21:29] <Re​nno> What's that mean?
L90[05:21:35] <Re​nno> Symlinks?
L91[05:21:39] <Izzy> yup
L92[05:23:09] <Izzy> tangentially, something I would like is to clone the PsychOS compressed documentation format for OpenOS man pages so they could stay compressed on disk
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L96[06:08:37] <Redston​eParkour> %sip
L97[06:08:38] <MichiBot> You drink a dotted rock potion (New!). RedstoneParkour feels like one particular wasp has it out for them suddenly.
L98[06:18:02] <Amanda> %splash @Forecaster with mutable rock potion
L99[06:18:04] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable rock potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster. @Forecaster turns into a transparent fish boy until they exit the room.
L100[06:18:14] <Forec​aster> D:<
L101[06:46:29] <Corded> > <Iz​zy> yup
L102[06:46:29] <Re​nno> Do you remake the symlinks on startup or?
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L104[07:21:59] <Redston​eParkour> %sip
L105[07:22:01] <MichiBot> You drink a stirring rock potion (New!). RedstoneParkour's pinky goes on vacation until they exit the room.
L106[07:28:28] <Corded> > <Re​nno> Do you remake the symlinks on startup or?
L107[07:28:28] <Redston​eParkour> symlinks are not persisted, so yes, they have to be remade every startup
L108[07:39:27] <Va​ur> %tonkout
L109[07:39:29] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Va​ur, you were not able to beat Va​ur's record of 3 hours, 24 minutes and 25 seconds this time. 1 hour, 50 minutes and 47 seconds were wasted! Missed by 1 hour, 33 minutes and 37 seconds!
L110[07:44:40] <Va​ur> %sip
L111[07:44:42] <MichiBot> You drink a dangerous crimson potion (New!). A voice whispers a secret into Vaur's ear only they can hear.
L112[08:40:17] <Forec​aster> %sip
L113[08:40:20] <MichiBot> You drink a sedimented grathnode potion (New!). Forecaster falls into a shaft and drop 4 floors!
L114[08:40:25] <Forec​aster> ouch
L115[08:48:06] <Forec​aster> at least I got out of the room I guess?
L116[08:58:35] <Redston​eParkour> %sip
L117[08:58:37] <MichiBot> You drink a serif-only red potion (New!). It tastes salty.
L118[09:13:56] <Re​nno> well that was a very abrupt shutdown Izzy
L119[09:14:09] <Re​nno> briefly saw the word "SHUTDOWN" beforehand
L120[09:39:47] <Amanda> It gave a 10min warning about 9m before you connected
L121[09:40:46] <Amanda> It reboots daily
L122[09:55:13] <Forec​aster> don't we all
L123[11:05:19] <Spider ​EveryOS> %tonkout
L124[11:05:21] <MichiBot> Yow! Spider ​EveryOS! You beat Va​ur's previous record of 3 hours, 24 minutes and 25 seconds (By 1 minute and 25 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L125[11:05:22] <MichiBot> Spider ​EveryOS has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.003 tonk points! plus 0.002 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 2.011945. Position #1
L126[11:05:28] <Spider ​EveryOS> Wow, luck
L127[12:17:38] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L128[12:17:39] <MichiBot> Fudge! Forec​aster! You beat Spider ​EveryOS's previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 12 minutes and 18 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L129[12:17:40] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 1 hour, 12 minutes and 18 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00121 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.02547 more points to pass Spider ​EveryOS!
L130[12:18:05] <Brisingr​ Aerowing> %splash @Forecaster
L131[12:18:06] <MichiBot> You fling a warm citrus potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster. @Forecaster gains knowledge about a random useless subject.
L132[13:55:51] <Amanda> %choose more space or halucinate or factory
L133[13:55:53] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: A faraway lamp replies something inaudible.
L134[13:56:01] <Amanda> Hrm
L135[13:56:20] <Amanda> I guess I'll continue the atmos room renovations
L136[13:56:34] <Amanda> %choose laptop or deck
L137[13:56:36] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Pretty sure I'd want you to go with "deck"!
L138[13:56:53] * Amanda flops down around Elfi, loads up her mars base on her deck
L139[15:32:06] <Va​ur> %tonk
L140[15:32:07] <MichiBot> Fopdoodle! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 1 hour, 12 minutes and 18 seconds (By 2 hours, 2 minutes and 9 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L141[15:32:08] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 3 hours, 14 minutes and 28 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.00408 (0.00204 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.014855 more points to pass Forec​aster!
L142[15:50:28] <Amanda> I stole one of fore's work's industrial arms to use for framing. Now I just need to write some code to run it
L143[15:50:35] <Amanda> That's a laptop task though
L144[15:52:14] <Amanda> ( https://stationeers-wiki.com/LArRE - but the hydroponics one I'm not looking for he wiki page for on mobile )
L145[17:19:42] <Amanda> https://matrix.camnet.site/_heisenbridge/media/camnet.site/kmOKjsmLPoAPnEPdkJhfMVzt/FRm7BqOyUdI/1000000223.webp
L146[17:19:53] <Amanda> Izzy: see following image
L147[17:22:26] <Izzy> wow, that's awful!
L148[18:17:27] * Amanda collapses into a floof singularity, does a heccen zzzmew while slowly pulling Elfi into her floof
L149[18:17:40] <Amanda> Night girls
L150[18:17:59] <Amanda> Don't forget to wrangle your fleas into the caravan
L151[19:29:30] <Ar​iri> fahrenheit is great
L152[19:29:42] <Ar​iri> if it's closer to 0, it's cold as balls
L153[19:29:59] <Ar​iri> if it's over 100, it's too hot and i'm boiling
L154[19:30:01] <Ar​iri> if it's 100, it's hot as balls and water is boiling
L155[19:57:09] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L156[19:57:10] <MichiBot> Jiminy Cricket! Forec​aster! You beat Va​ur's previous record of 3 hours, 14 minutes and 28 seconds (By 1 hour, 10 minutes and 33 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L157[19:57:11] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 4 hours, 25 minutes and 2 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00472 (0.00118 x 4) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.02075 more points to pass Spider ​EveryOS!
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L163[23:12:41] <Redston​eParkour> %sip
L164[23:12:44] <MichiBot> You drink a 4th-dimensional grathnode potion (New!). Some tonk points fly by. RedstoneParkour caught 0.066 tonk points. (Rem. uses: 0)
L165[23:31:41] <Forec​aster> Aww no more uses
L166[23:31:47] <Forec​aster> %sip
L167[23:31:49] <MichiBot> You drink a soft stainless steel potion (New!). Forecaster feels like a champion!
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