L1[00:11:10] <Izzy> Renno: yeah the libs get uploaded to the drone on boot

L2[00:12:21] <Izzy> the theory is that I can have it export stuff over RPC and add event handlers

L3[00:15:18] <Izzy> then I can have the server handle the pool of drones

L4[00:26:40] <Forec​aster> %tonk

L5[00:26:42] <MichiBot> Fudge! Forec​aster! You beat Spider ​EveryOS's previous record of 1 hour, 15 minutes and 21 seconds (By 1 hour, 6 minutes and 11 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L6[00:26:43] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 2 hours, 21 minutes and 33 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.0022 (0.0011 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #4. Need 0.03166 more points to pass Va​ur!

L8[00:51:28] <Redston​eParkour> %sip

L9[00:51:31] <MichiBot> You drink a serif-only spice potion (New!). When RedstoneParkour drinks the last drop, a bucket of water materializes above their head and dumps its contents over them. RedstoneParkour avoids the bucket and it's content! (8 vs DC 8)

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L12[01:31:20] <Re​nno> schematic editor working much better than I could have anticipated

L13[01:31:40] <Re​nno> literally just drew some random stuff, copied it, ran the program, and it's already built

L14[01:38:24] <Re​nno> took about 3 minutes to make this little island https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1756111104230.PNG

L15[02:07:02] <Re​nno> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1756112822096.png https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1756112822370.png https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1756112822916.png

L17[03:01:15] <Spider ​EveryOS> %tonkout

L18[03:01:17] <MichiBot> Geez! Spider ​EveryOS! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 2 hours, 21 minutes and 33 seconds (By 13 minutes and 1 second)! I hope you're happy!

L19[03:01:18] <MichiBot> Spider ​EveryOS has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.002 tonk points! plus 0.001 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 1.58779. Position #2 Need 0.0695 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!

L20[05:33:23] <Kristo​bear38> @Renno is this a web editor?

L21[07:03:25] <Forec​aster> %tonk

L22[07:03:26] <MichiBot> Zounderkite! Forec​aster! You beat Spider ​EveryOS's previous record of <0 (By 4 hours, 2 minutes and 9 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L23[07:03:27] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 4 hours, 2 minutes and 9 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00404 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #4. Need 0.02762 more points to pass Va​ur!

L24[07:07:13] <Redston​eParkour> %sip

L25[07:07:15] <MichiBot> You drink a dangerous lime potion (New!). RedstoneParkour gains one research point. RedstoneParkour now has 1 point. (Rem. uses: 0)

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L27[08:00:20] <Forec​aster> %sip

L28[08:00:22] <MichiBot> You drink a salty ocean potion (New!). Forecaster turns into a sheep girl for 5 hours.

L29[08:00:28] <Forec​aster> Aw man

L30[09:52:12] <Redston​eParkour> %sip

L31[09:52:15] <MichiBot> You drink a dull toxictop potion (New!). RedstoneParkour is suddenly wearing a tiny glove on each finger.

L32[12:01:37] <Va​ur> %tonkout

L33[12:01:38] <MichiBot> Jeepers! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 4 hours, 2 minutes and 9 seconds (By 56 minutes and 2 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L34[12:01:39] <MichiBot> Va​ur has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.004 tonk points! plus 0.003 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 1.56709. Position #3 Need 0.0207 more points to pass Spider ​EveryOS!

L35[12:01:48] <Va​ur> %sip

L36[12:01:50] <MichiBot> You drink a 2-dimensional coral potion (New!). Vaur's pinky goes on vacation until they use "Classic" in a sentence.

L37[12:02:14] <Va​ur> How classic !

L38[12:04:51] <Redston​eParkour> %sip

L39[12:04:52] <MichiBot> You drink a forked toxictop potion (New!). Gravity reverses for RedstoneParkour until Sozin's Comet returns.

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L42[12:31:23] <Va​ur> %sip

L43[12:48:54] <Forec​aster> In 12 minutes I won't be a sheep anymore! Hooray

L44[13:09:13] <Amanda> %splash @Forecaster with mutable ocean potion

L45[13:09:14] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable ocean potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster. @Forecaster turns into a violium toad girl until they have a wonderful potion.

L46[13:09:22] <Amanda> I help!

L47[13:10:13] <Va​ur> %sip

L48[13:10:14] <MichiBot> You drink a thick yellow potion (New!). A large figure suddenly swings an axe at Vaur! Vaur ducks under the axe and gets away from the figure! (20 vs DC 16)

L49[13:19:06] <Corded> > <Kristo​bear38> @Renno is this a web editor?

L50[13:19:06] <Re​nno> Yes

L51[13:23:39] <Spider ​EveryOS> %tonk

L52[13:23:40] <MichiBot> Consarn it! Spider ​EveryOS! You beat Va​ur's previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 22 minutes and 2 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L53[13:23:41] <MichiBot> Spider EveryOS's new record is 1 hour, 22 minutes and 2 seconds! Spider EveryOS also gained 0.00137 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.06813 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!

L54[13:23:51] <Spider ​EveryOS> %sip Vaur is getting closer

L55[13:23:52] <MichiBot> You drink a gloomy rubium potion (New!). Spider EveryOS hears a train whistle in the distance.

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L59[15:03:07] <CompanionCube> Izzy: today on 'google keeps making android worse': 'Google to require developer certification to install Android applications, even outside of the Play Store'

L60[15:03:25] <Izzy> excuse me

L61[15:03:43] <CompanionCube> yeah

L62[15:03:49] <Va​ur> %tonk

L63[15:03:50] <MichiBot> Golly! Va​ur! You beat Spider ​EveryOS's previous record of 1 hour, 22 minutes and 2 seconds (By 18 minutes and 7 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L64[15:03:51] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 1 hour, 40 minutes and 9 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.0006 (0.0003 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.02147 more points to pass Spider ​EveryOS!

L65[15:04:46] <Izzy> fuck maybe I will be looking into seeing whether my pinephone will work on telstra

L66[15:09:18] <CompanionCube> ttps://android-developers.googleblog.com/2025/08/elevating-android-security.html'To make this process as streamlined as possible, we are building a new Android Developer Console just for developers who only distribute outside of Google Play, so they can easily complete their verification; get an early look at how it works. A note for student and hobbyist developers: we know your needs are

L67[15:09:19] <CompanionCube> different from commercial developers, so we’re creating a separate type of Android Developer Console account for you.'

L68[15:16:10] <CompanionCube> Izzy: though, depending on implementation it's likely the easier work around is junking play services? Or just running a 'non-certified' device in general, which i think is basically the same thing?

L69[15:18:50] <Izzy> unsure

L70[15:19:02] <Izzy> well, hopefully my phone will stop getting updates before this rolls out and I can ignore it

L71[15:19:20] <Izzy> worry about it in 2034

L72[15:19:49] <CompanionCube> won't the timelime for that depend on if the implementation is part of google play services or not?

L73[15:20:01] <Izzy> I have it disabled on my phone

L74[15:20:07] <CompanionCube> ah

L75[15:20:15] <Izzy> fuckin motorola

L76[15:20:18] <CompanionCube> i thought you might, hence the questio

L77[15:20:23] <Izzy> fuckin mediatek

L78[15:20:36] <Izzy> it makes me think it's going to be part of the OS

L79[15:20:40] <Izzy> not part of google play services

L80[15:22:01] <Izzy> I guess it probably won't make a huge difference to F-Droid

L81[15:22:13] <Izzy> or maybe it will kill F-Droid because google won't issue them a certification who knows

L82[15:22:41] <CompanionCube> well they 'promise' they won't actuallly check, which actually raises questions about the exact *point* of all this.

L83[15:23:42] <CompanionCube> (check the apps, that is)

L84[15:24:31] <Izzy> so they require it

L85[15:24:37] <Izzy> but they have no mechanism to require it??

L86[15:25:11] <CompanionCube> they require your register (and pay), but they promise they won't look at your apps after your register.

L87[15:25:28] <Izzy> ah.

L88[15:25:45] <Izzy> pay google and give them your ID, but then they won't actually check for malware

L89[15:25:48] <Izzy> love it

L90[15:25:50] <Izzy> go to hell

L91[15:26:12] <Izzy> died ?? born 2025

L92[15:26:15] <Izzy> welcome back windows RT

L93[15:26:18] <CompanionCube> hey, students and hobbyists get to be different, and skip the pay part!

L94[15:30:07] <Izzy> one assumes pseudonyms will be out the window for this too

L95[15:30:09] <Izzy> which is cool

L96[15:30:10] <Izzy> love that

L97[15:30:57] <CompanionCube> https://developer.android.com/developer-verification/assets/pdfs/introducing-the-android-developer-console.pdf the pdf says regular 'personal' accounts want a government id document. The mentioned accounts get no charge and 'fewer' verification requirements.

L98[15:41:39] <Lizzy> > <Izzy> welcome back windows RT

L99[15:41:39] <Lizzy> fun fact, i have two Surface RT tablets in my room. one is flashed with postmarketOS (and i think is bricked), the other wont charge so is also useless :D

L100[16:25:04] <Izzy> CompanionCube: > Google says that only apps with verified identities will be installable on certified Android devices, which is virtually every Android-based device—if it has Google services on it, it's a certified device.

L101[16:25:15] <Izzy> sounds like "if it shipped with google play services you're probably boned"

L102[16:25:22] <CompanionCube> yeah that's what i basically said

L103[16:25:57] <Izzy> bluh

L104[16:26:09] <Izzy> oh well, second hand LineageOS devices are more appealing than ever I suppose

L105[16:27:08] <Izzy> let's hope google doesn't functionally kill that between now and 2034 huh

L106[16:27:22] <CompanionCube> 2034?

L107[16:28:09] <Izzy> I got my current phone in 2024

L108[16:28:13] <CompanionCube> ah

L109[16:28:36] <CompanionCube> by 2034 the bigger problem is likely outdated android, no? though given how well i've done with outdated android...

L110[16:28:58] <Izzy> most of F-Droid still works happily on my Moto G3 running Android 7

L111[16:29:12] <CompanionCube> (btw, i looked recently, apparently mozilla is raising their minimum version requirement to Android 8)

L112[16:29:29] <Izzy> and the G3 came out in 2014

L113[16:29:53] <CompanionCube> which, will, in time, be A Problem.

L114[16:30:53] <Izzy> like, if you use your phone primarily as a phone and mild PDA you don't need to replace it more than every 5-10 years

L115[16:31:35] <Izzy> "oh but security patches!" I mean okay. that one SMS bug was quite worrying. but the rest of it is like, eh?

L116[16:31:45] <Izzy> I use fennec for my webview it gets updates

L117[16:34:00] <Kristo​bear38> I was thinking lately - I use phone for calling, discord, web browsing sometimes, listening to music and checking public transport schedules

L118[16:35:22] <Kristo​bear38> I could probably do without web browsing, for calling I can have a dedicated dumb phone, the rest can be done with dedicated devices that I could buy/build

L119[16:36:19] <CompanionCube> Izzy: fennec is just firefox, so...

L120[16:36:33] <Izzy> yup

L121[16:36:40] <Izzy> that's kinda my point, my current one is running ... 14? 15?

L122[16:36:46] <Izzy> should be another 10 years before I need to worry about it

L123[16:36:59] <CompanionCube> ah, i thought you were also refering to your G3 there

L124[16:37:02] <Lizzy> i've seen bits about that ladybird browser thing... if that shapes out well it might be viable by 2034 lol

L125[16:52:29] <Izzy> CompanionCube: I think the worst part about this is that it's not really about security at all

L126[16:52:55] <Amanda> Lizzy: The ladybird dev's like, super Fash though

L127[16:52:56] <Izzy> it's literally "we can't make devs use the google play store by killing the competition, so we'll make them pay to run software instead"

L128[16:53:17] <Lizzy> oh for fucks sake

L129[16:53:55] <CompanionCube> wait, he is?

L130[16:54:14] <Izzy> I heard similar but didn't bother to look into it

L131[16:54:17] <Amanda> Changing people's discord names containing pronouns to "who/cares"

L132[16:54:29] <CompanionCube> that's not 'super' though

L133[16:54:59] <Amanda> antisemitie as well

L134[16:55:02] <CompanionCube> more like 'being a prick'. which while the venn diagram is basically a circle, is not really the same

L135[16:56:28] <Lizzy> eh, at the very least both of those things are massive red flags and i'm nolonger caring about the project

L136[16:57:58] <Kristo​bear38> Izzy: does DSS do client/server architecture? If so where can I get docs for the protocol it uses?

L137[16:59:08] <Amanda> @Kristobear38 It exposes mtrpc apis, and a query protocol on port 15 which is documented (kinda) in the last sectino of the readme: https://git.shadowkat.net/izaya/OC-DSS2

L138[16:59:36] <Amanda> I like that mtrpc is (kinda) self-documenting considering the "list" method

L139[17:02:18] <Izzy> it's also mostly just exposing the inv API as in OpenOS/Server/usr/lib/

L140[17:04:22] <Kristo​bear38> Hmm, isn't the stream protocol redundant? Don't you just need to call the appropriate rpc method to get the search results?

L141[17:04:28] <Kristo​bear38> Or is it for efficiency

L142[17:05:51] <Izzy> yeah the stream returns a compressed version much faster and supporting larger result tables in theory

L143[17:07:29] <Lizzy> urghh, think i need to switch my work laptop to W11 tomorrow (well, technically today cause i haven't yet gone to bed)... i could say "oh, i'm busy doing stuff, i'll do it when i get back from holiday" but i think i'll have time to do it and also gives me an 'excuse' (to my adhd) to not check it whilst i'm off work...

L144[17:08:48] <Izzy> hmmm. my drone testing harness has no good way to have other software act as the main loop.

L145[17:09:41] <Izzy> you _can_ use an RPC call to execute a program in the tmpfs, but it will time out if it runs too long.

L146[17:10:00] <Izzy> I guess I could fork that and not care about the result

L147[17:10:07] <Lizzy> Izzy, you not able to load other software into ram/tmpfs or whatever then just pcall (or whatever exec()-like function lua has) into an entry function?

L148[17:10:16] <Izzy> there's no clean way to do it

L149[17:10:28] <Izzy> to run it is a synchronous RPC call

L150[17:10:34] <Lizzy> ah

L151[17:11:11] <Izzy> maybe a call_async would be a good thing to add

L152[17:12:10] <Izzy> RPCv2 problem, for now I'll just fork the call into its own thread and let it die

L154[18:24:59] <Re​nno> Why not coroutine?

L155[18:25:28] <Re​nno> Coroutines seem ideal for RPCs

L156[18:27:14] <Corded> > <Ama​nda> Changing people's discord names containing pronouns to "who…

L157[18:27:15] <ProNo​ob135> :(

L158[18:31:54] <ProNo​ob135> hmm yes a pr to not assume the person compiling the browser is a man is "personal politics"

L159[18:37:20] <ProNo​ob135> or maybe that was back in the serenityos days? idk

L160[18:37:43] <ProNo​ob135> i don't have power right now, maybe I'll research once i have my desktoo

L161[18:37:47] <ProNo​ob135> * desktop

L162[18:42:45] <Va​ur> %tonkout

L163[18:42:46] <MichiBot> Swell! Va​ur! You beat your own previous record of 1 hour, 40 minutes and 9 seconds (By 1 hour, 58 minutes and 45 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L164[18:42:47] <MichiBot> Va​ur has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.003 tonk points! plus 0.004 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 1.57469, Position #3 Need 0.01447 more points to pass Spider ​EveryOS!

L165[18:48:18] <ProNo​ob135> the discord atleast doesn't seem 1984 on the topic

L166[18:57:27] <Izzy> what upgrades does one want to put in a tablet?

L167[18:57:38] <Izzy> Renno: threads are fancy coroutines

L168[18:57:54] <Izzy> I actually ended up putting a scheduler on the drone because of very silly things

L169[18:59:08] <Izzy> namely, the drone would leave before the message was acknowledged and that caused problems

L170[19:17:50] <Izzy> also meant I could implement a heartbeat so the drone will reconnect after the server restarts

L171[19:41:17] <Re​nno> I forget the thread library is a thing

L172[19:42:27] <Izzy> I have this working well enough now that I think I just need an interface. And maybe more drones :3

L173[19:50:21] <Izzy> https://cdn.shadowkat.net/media/47/55/f2/4755f26b909888a20d65460f8d9ee9d5a6b1fa57407ba6f79959b96d7dd81b8c.webm

L174[20:03:17] <Re​nno> That doesn't seem to load on my end

L175[20:12:02] <Izzy> the drone does have a tendency to get stuck on the chimney...

L176[20:21:50] <Forec​aster> %tonk

L177[20:21:51] <MichiBot> Sard! Forec​aster! You beat Va​ur's previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 39 minutes and 5 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L178[20:21:52] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 1 hour, 39 minutes and 5 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00165 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #4. Need 0.04207 more points to pass Va​ur!

L179[21:13:45] <Izzy> https://cdn.shadowkat.net/media/51/55/92/5155926e7892a57568c1063a479b38a08929db9518208bf4119a04ef01b44f55.webm

L180[21:16:03] <Izzy> you could combine this with a schematic thinger to build buildings really fast, straight from storage

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L182[22:15:53] <Va​ur> %tonk

L183[22:15:54] <MichiBot> Fopdoodle! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 1 hour, 39 minutes and 5 seconds (By 14 minutes and 58 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L184[22:15:55] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 1 hour, 54 minutes and 3 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.0005 (0.00025 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.01397 more points to pass Spider ​EveryOS!

L185[23:01:27] <Corded> > <Iz​zy> you could combine this with a schematic thinger to build bu…

L186[23:01:27] <Re​nno> I'll have to look at it later since it doesn't want to load

L187[23:02:30] <Mic​hiyo> Loads here.

L188[23:59:02] <Izzy> all I can guess is uhhh iOS doesn't do webms last I heard