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L2[00:10:20] <Pokem​an2003> This is probably the last place I should ask, but I'm currently having problems with javac. I assume people here have experience with it. Specifically, I'm struggling to get the -d switch to work correctly. I *want* to use a path that is labelled `"C:/Users/Workspace/Desktop/Drive Dev/Output"` but it doesn't seem to understand how
L3[00:10:20] <Corded> to perceive quotation marks because it gives me `javac: invalid flag: -d C:/Users/Workspace/Desktop/Drive`.
L4[00:17:03] <Spider ​EveryOS> %tonk
L5[00:17:04] <MichiBot> Hooray! Spider ​EveryOS! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 1 hour, 5 minutes and 18 seconds (By 54 minutes and 17 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L6[00:17:05] <MichiBot> Spider EveryOS's new record is 1 hour, 59 minutes and 36 seconds! Spider EveryOS also gained 0.0018 (0.0009 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.
L7[01:14:53] * Amanda pawhugs Elfi, passes out
L8[01:14:57] <Amanda> Night girls
L9[01:22:45] <Brisingr​ Aerowing> @Pokeman2003 from the minimal research I've done it looks like that's a quirk of the compiler and doesn't seem to have a work around (other than possibly mapping that folder to a drive letter so it ends up as something like X:/Output)
L10[01:43:06] <Pokem​an2003> Auuuuuugh, damn it. I hate doing that, but I guess I have to...
L11[01:43:50] <Pokem​an2003> Javac not supporting that is bizarre, given that every case of file handling I've had to do so far handles that just fine
L12[01:56:49] <Brisingr​ Aerowing> Javac has a lot of weird quirks related to path handling.
L13[01:57:03] <Brisingr​ Aerowing> Some options work with spaces, some don't.
L14[01:57:08] <Brisingr​ Aerowing> Same with quotes.
L15[02:41:55] <CompanionCube> %tonkout
L16[02:41:56] <MichiBot> Bingo! Compan​ionCube! You beat Spider ​EveryOS's previous record of 1 hour, 59 minutes and 36 seconds (By 25 minutes and 15 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L17[02:41:57] <MichiBot> Compan​ionCube has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.002 tonk points! plus 0.001 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 0.25949. Position #2 => #1 (Overtook Spider EveryOS)
L18[02:42:04] <CompanionCube> yessss
L19[02:42:08] <CompanionCube> %drink
L20[02:42:09] <MichiBot> You drink an aligned nectar potion (New!). CompanionCube's pinky goes on vacation until they have an apple.
L21[03:38:23] <Spider ​EveryOS> %tonk
L22[03:38:23] <MichiBot> Yikes! Spider ​EveryOS! You beat Compan​ionCube's previous record of <0 (By 56 minutes and 27 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L23[03:38:24] <MichiBot> Spider EveryOS's new record is 56 minutes and 27 seconds! Spider EveryOS also gained 0.00094 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2 => #1. (Overtook CompanionCube)
L24[05:28:52] <Spider ​EveryOS> %tonkout
L25[05:28:52] <MichiBot> Wut! Spider ​EveryOS! You beat your own previous record of 56 minutes and 27 seconds (By 54 minutes and 1 second)! I hope you're happy!
L26[05:28:53] <MichiBot> Spider ​EveryOS has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.001 tonk points! Current score: 0.26068, Position #1
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L29[06:17:11] <Izzy> Kristopher38: I think the best way to do it as a windowing system specifically is that the focused window and any non-overlapped windows get drawn to the screen directly, any others get drawn to a GPU buffer then selectively copied to the screen
L30[06:17:15] <Izzy> maybe with damage tracking
L31[06:42:38] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L32[06:42:39] <MichiBot> Yippee! Compan​ionCube! You beat Spider ​EveryOS's previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 13 minutes and 46 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L33[06:42:40] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's new record is 1 hour, 13 minutes and 46 seconds! CompanionCube also gained 0.00123 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2 => #1. (Overtook Spider EveryOS)
L34[06:42:56] <CompanionCube> %drink
L35[06:42:57] <MichiBot> You drink a dashed citrus potion (New!). CompanionCube hears a scream from nearby.
L36[06:43:07] <CompanionCube> oh dear
L37[06:45:54] <Izzy> fro those playing along at home (nobody), I have one ~3840x2880 camera, two lower res cameras that nonetheless exceed 1920x1440, and two 1920x1080 cameras
L38[06:49:57] <CompanionCube> why do you have a 4k camera
L39[06:53:52] <Izzy> because it came with my $100 phone
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L41[07:04:21] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L42[07:51:02] <lily> why did a 4k camera come with a $100 phone
L43[07:53:18] <lily> are hi-res cameras just standard
L44[07:53:26] <Izzy> yeah basically
L45[07:53:30] <Izzy> to be fair the phone's RRP is $300
L46[07:53:34] <lily> oh, huh
L47[07:53:55] <Izzy> but the $120 phone I got for my grandad in 2017 has a nearly 4k camera too
L48[07:54:13] <lily> huh.
L49[07:54:18] <Izzy> it's not *good*
L50[07:54:21] <Izzy> but it's there
L51[07:54:38] <lily> speaking of 'huh', apparently sometimes I press shift a little too early
L52[07:54:38] <Izzy> it can do 2560x1920 so it will do
L53[07:54:43] <lily> so 200% comes out as 20)%
L54[07:55:25] <lily> I guess I press it just /slightly/ before I release the last key
L55[07:55:51] <lily> wonder if analog keyboards are a thing
L56[07:56:00] <Izzy> yeah they are
L57[07:56:05] <lily> oh neat
L58[07:56:32] <lily> I imagine they'd be a lot faster than regular keyboards
L59[07:57:19] <lily> ...hm, I wonder if my board has PS/2...
L60[07:57:41] <lily> AIUI PS/2 keyboards are /significantly/ faster
L61[07:58:51] <CompanionCube> %tonkout
L62[07:58:52] <MichiBot> Boo-yah! Compan​ionCube! You beat your own previous record of 1 hour, 13 minutes and 46 seconds (By 2 minutes and 26 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L63[07:58:53] <MichiBot> Compan​ionCube has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.001 tonk points! Current score: 0.26172, Position #1
L64[07:59:16] <lily> aeugh, now I want to build something that looks like it's from the 90s or maybe even late 80s but with modern specs
L65[07:59:45] <Forec​aster> RGB, but it's inside a beige opaque case so you can't see any of it
L66[07:59:55] <lily> unironically yeah
L67[08:00:15] <lily> would have to take some artistic liberties to make the case look good
L68[08:00:29] <lily> ...hmm, IBM PC-style case?
L69[08:00:32] <Forec​aster> wood paneling
L70[08:00:43] <lily> oh yeah I completely forgot about wood
L71[08:01:23] <lily> I love that older stuff is actually /faster/ than modern tech
L72[08:01:34] <lily> So the optimal strategy to squeeze performance out of your hardware is, uh...
L73[08:01:39] <lily> a CRT and a PS/2 keyboard
L74[08:37:44] <Kristo​pher38> Izzy: the conclusions from one discussion I've had was that the fastest (and simplest) way is to draw everything to a whole-screen buffer and then blit it once
L75[08:39:08] <Kristo​pher38> You can allegedly get 20fps that way on T3 hardware so why bother with complicating your drawing algos
L76[08:40:20] <Izzy> oh, huh
L77[08:42:28] <Kristo​pher38> Not sure about lower tier hardware but I'd expect people to have a decent PC setup if they want to run a windowing system :P
L78[08:42:55] <Izzy> you misunderstand the target audience of PsychOS :p
L79[08:43:22] <Izzy> that said, a windowing system where the only way to get 80x25 is to fullscreen something sounds painful
L80[08:44:37] <Kristo​pher38> Well, maybe 20fps is also doable on lower tier hardware, needs checking
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L82[08:47:58] <Kristo​pher38> Blit call cost is proportional to the size of the copied buffer so it would be lower on T2 hardware
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L84[08:48:16] <Izzy> That's true
L85[08:48:35] <Izzy> honestly my main reason for wanting to use buffers is so I don't actually have to actually implement the virtual GPU
L86[08:49:11] <Izzy> vtansi is already used to working with GPU buffers, getty just swaps which instance is drawing to the screen at any given time
L87[08:49:25] <Izzy> so my thinking is you could replace getty with something smarter and still support ??? terminals
L88[08:50:08] <Va​ur> %tonk
L89[08:50:09] <Kristo​pher38> Though when you have a vgpu, you can export it over the network
L90[08:50:09] <MichiBot> Dad-Sizzle! Va​ur! You beat Compan​ionCube's previous record of <0 (By 51 minutes and 16 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L91[08:50:10] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 51 minutes and 16 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.00085 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #5. Need 0.00903 more points to pass Redston​eParkour!
L92[08:51:09] <Kristo​pher38> The remote side could draw windows on your screen, plan9 style
L93[08:53:15] <Izzy> that _is_ true
L94[08:53:18] <Izzy> hmmmmmm
L95[08:53:25] <Izzy> that's actually much more interesting now that you mention it
L96[08:54:00] <Izzy> you'd want to write something to provide a packed representation of GPU commands to batch them
L97[09:00:38] <Kristo​pher38> My first idea was that exported vgpus could have an additional method `commit` that would send the internal state over the network
L98[09:01:16] <Kristo​pher38> But that might not fit in the 8k modem limit
L99[09:02:15] <Kristo​pher38> Unless with compression?
L100[09:06:36] <Izzy> I'd just keep a buffer and if the buffer fills within [deadline] then send it, otherwise wait for [deadline] in case more data appears
L101[09:30:01] <Izzy> though if you were using GPU buffers, a commit function would be interesting
L102[09:31:05] <Izzy> Kristopher38: a related and significantly more cursed idea I'd been toying with is packing GPU commands into VT100 style escape codes
L103[09:31:12] <Izzy> or rather, implementing the fill commands and similar
L104[09:31:18] <Izzy> because the later terminals did support that
L105[09:41:51] <Kristo​pher38> That falls neatly into the psychos ecosystem :P
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L107[09:57:48] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L108[10:48:19] <Pokem​an2003> Slight update to my JavaC situation: So I've been trying to call JavaC from a Java program itself(making my own make for educational purposes,) and I've discovered that the process builder is... bizarre. I'm not sure how, but Java ignores the Windows argument passing convention in favor of being able to pass full (unquoted) strings
L109[10:48:19] <Corded> as singular arguments, which was what was *actually* causing my problem.
L110[10:48:19] <Pokem​an2003> Beautiful.
L111[10:49:23] <Pokem​an2003> No wonder it was saying `javac: invalid flag: -d C:/Users/Workspace/Desktop/Drive`, it was treating `-d` and `C:/Users/Workspace/Desktop/Drive` as one argument.
L112[10:49:45] <Pokem​an2003> This doesn't explain why space parsing broke like that but it at least puts me at ease knowing it wasn't fully my fault
L113[11:06:48] <Corded> > <li​ly> So the optimal strategy to squeeze performance out of your …
L114[11:06:49] <Forec​aster> Obviously the wood panelling
L115[11:59:05] <Pokem​an2003> https://paste.pc-logix.com/gapuvabasu
L116[11:59:20] <Pokem​an2003> oh
L117[11:59:21] <Pokem​an2003> wait
L118[11:59:24] <Pokem​an2003> I know what happened I think
L119[12:03:58] <Pokem​an2003> https://paste.pc-logix.com/ixawogakuc
L120[12:06:47] * Amanda meows and looks around
L121[12:07:30] <Redston​eParkour> %tonk
L122[12:07:31] <MichiBot> Fopdoodle! Redston​eParkour! You beat Va​ur's previous record of 51 minutes and 16 seconds (By 2 hours, 26 minutes and 5 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L123[12:07:32] <MichiBot> RedstoneParkour's new record is 3 hours, 17 minutes and 22 seconds! RedstoneParkour also gained 0.00243 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #4. Need 0.06737 more points to pass Forec​aster!
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L126[12:10:58] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L127[12:14:38] <Amanda> %give MichiBot A book of quadratic time crystal formation
L128[12:14:40] * MichiBot accepts the book of quadratic time crystal formation and adds it to their inventory
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L130[14:26:51] <Flamei​ngsoul> %chug
L131[14:26:53] <MichiBot> You drink an icy iron potion (New!). Someone just had some of Flameingsoul's favourite food and they didn't get any!
L132[14:27:10] <Flamei​ngsoul> :(
L133[15:45:45] <Redston​eParkour> %tonkout
L134[15:45:47] <MichiBot> Willikers! Redston​eParkour! You beat your own previous record of 3 hours, 17 minutes and 22 seconds (By 20 minutes and 53 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L135[15:45:48] <MichiBot> Redston​eParkour has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.003 tonk points! plus 0.004 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 0.07649, Position #4 Need 0.06037 more points to pass Forec​aster!
L136[15:46:03] <Redston​eParkour> %sip
L137[15:46:04] <MichiBot> You drink a hot ruby potion (New!). It sounds like someone is dragging a large metal axe along the floor nearby... Wait, now the sound is gone...
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L139[16:18:36] <Amanda> %remindme 20m check CI
L140[16:18:36] <MichiBot> I'll tell you "check CI" in 20m at 02/03/2025 04:38:35 PM
L141[16:24:13] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L142[16:24:14] <MichiBot> Darn! Forec​aster! You beat Redston​eParkour's previous record of <0 (By 38 minutes and 27 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L143[16:24:15] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 38 minutes and 27 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00064 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.12318 more points to pass Spider ​EveryOS!
L144[16:24:39] <Forec​aster> And also %sip
L145[16:24:41] <MichiBot> You drink a shiny white potion (New!). Forecaster: Nothing seemed to happen...
L146[16:24:44] <Forec​aster> Aw
L147[16:28:16] <Forec​aster> MichiBot is mean >:
L148[16:31:13] <Brisingr​ Aerowing> %splash @Forecaster with mutable potion
L149[16:31:14] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable chocolate potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster. @Forecaster turns into a fairy girl until they use "Actually" in a sentence.
L150[16:32:37] <Amanda> Elfi! New? fairy fren!
L151[16:38:36] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: check CI
L152[16:48:55] <Amanda> bah, restarting one of my vms while ansible is trying to pretend to run against it doesn't work, who'd have guessed
L153[17:05:14] <Amanda> %remindme 30m check CI again
L154[17:05:14] <MichiBot> I'll tell you "check CI again" in 30m at 02/03/2025 05:35:13 PM
L155[17:35:14] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: check CI again
L156[17:41:59] <Forec​aster> Actually I'm more of a sprite!
L157[17:42:01] <Forec​aster> Oh hey
L158[17:45:22] <Amanda> %remindme 30m check CI for the hopefully last time
L159[17:45:22] <MichiBot> I'll tell you "check CI for the hopefully last time" in 30m at 02/03/2025 06:15:22 PM
L160[17:45:32] <Amanda> %choose waves; em or pressure
L161[17:45:33] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: em waves
L162[17:46:27] <Amanda> %choose lunch time?
L163[17:46:27] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: If you pet me, yes, otherwise no.
L164[17:46:33] <Amanda> %pet MichiBot
L165[17:46:33] <MichiBot> Amanda is petting MichiBot with Welding Soap. MichiBot regains 1d4 => 2 hit points! Welding Soap fell into a well that appeared out of nowhere!
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L167[18:01:01] <Forec​aster> It became Well soap
L168[18:11:14] <Spider ​EveryOS> %tonk
L169[18:11:15] <MichiBot> Wow! Spider ​EveryOS! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 38 minutes and 27 seconds (By 1 hour, 8 minutes and 33 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L170[18:11:16] <MichiBot> Spider EveryOS's new record is 1 hour, 47 minutes and 1 second! Spider EveryOS also gained 0.00114 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2 => #1. (Overtook CompanionCube)
L171[18:15:22] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: check CI for the hopefully last time
L172[18:15:47] <Amanda> All good!
L173[18:23:59] <Redston​eParkour> %sip
L174[18:24:00] <MichiBot> You drink a crystal ocean potion (New!). A trapdoor suddenly opens up under RedstoneParkour! There are spikes at the bottom. They successfully evaded it with a 17 vs DC 15!
L175[18:30:16] <Forec​aster> It's all good because you get to keep doing it because it's so enjoyable?!
L176[18:34:40] <Amanda> all good because it ran fine, and that means I don't have to continue poking when I'm low on spoons
L177[18:47:59] <Forec​aster> that's exactly what I said ( in a different reality )
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L180[19:45:04] *** Michiyo_ is now known as Michiyo
L181[19:45:15] zsh sets mode: +o on Michiyo
L182[19:57:38] <Amanda> %choose laptopnaptime?
L183[19:57:38] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: A nearby lamp turns blue.
L184[20:14:21] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L185[20:14:23] <MichiBot> Yippee! Compan​ionCube! You beat Spider ​EveryOS's previous record of 1 hour, 47 minutes and 1 second (By 16 minutes and 6 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L186[20:14:24] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's new record is 2 hours, 3 minutes and 7 seconds! CompanionCube also gained 0.00054 (0.00027 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2 => #1. (Overtook Spider EveryOS)
L187[21:28:37] <Fabian ​Enrique> Hi, is there a way where you can use multiple adapters? or a strategy, I'm new to this
L188[21:31:47] <Corded> > <Fabian ​Enrique> Hi, is there a way where you can use multiple adapters? or …
L189[21:31:47] <Forec​aster> what do you mean by "use"
L190[21:33:16] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> what do you mean by "use"
L191[21:33:17] <Fabian ​Enrique> monitor tanks specifically with different liquids, it only lets me one on the computer. But I don't know what to do from there.
L192[21:34:38] <Forec​aster> this sounds like an xy problem
L193[21:35:03] <Forec​aster> I believe what you really want to ask is how do I access a component other than the primary one
L194[21:35:53] <Forec​aster> if that's the case then the answer is here: https://ocdoc.cil.li/component:component_access
L195[21:36:58] <Fabian ​Enrique> thank you
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L198[22:23:13] <CompanionCube> %tonkout
L199[22:23:15] <MichiBot> Gadsbudlikins! Compan​ionCube! You beat your own previous record of 2 hours, 3 minutes and 7 seconds (By 5 minutes and 44 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L200[22:23:16] <MichiBot> Compan​ionCube has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.002 tonk points! plus 0.002 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 0.26626, Position #1
L201[22:38:19] <CompanionCube> %DRINK
L202[22:38:21] <MichiBot> You drink a dull bavarium potion (New!). CompanionCube's feet tingle briefly.
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L204[23:09:46] <Amanda> %splash @Forecaster with mutable pink potion
L205[23:09:48] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable pink potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster. @Forecaster turns into a dog until someone turns on a lamp.
L206[23:15:17] * Amanda pawhugs Elfi, meows stories about a trans girl cutting the throats of some summoners with the shards of her broken life
L207[23:21:24] <Spider ​EveryOS> %tonk
L208[23:21:26] <MichiBot> Willikers! Spider ​EveryOS! You beat Compan​ionCube's previous record of <0 (By 58 minutes and 10 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L209[23:21:27] <MichiBot> Spider EveryOS's new record is 58 minutes and 10 seconds! Spider EveryOS also gained 0.00097 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.00347 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
L210[23:47:18] ⇦ Quits: lily (~Lily@58.84.227.106) (Remote host closed the connection)
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