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L1[00:05:38] <Re​nno> almost kind of shocked how little eeprom stuff there is on OPPM
L2[00:06:52] <Re​nno> Vexatos is the person I would need to speak to about getting my repo on OPPM right?
L3[00:46:46] <Kristo​pher38> I believe they've stopped adding stuff to the "main" OPPM repo long time ago since that slows down `oppm` quite a bit
L4[00:47:49] <Kristo​pher38> on that note I'm running OC 1.8.3 and can't seem to do anything that accesses the network in `oppm`
L5[00:48:41] <Izzy> is your java current?
L6[00:48:59] <Kristo​pher38> `oppm register` says repo doesn't exist, `oppm update oppm` says package doesn't exist
L7[00:51:19] <Izzy> sounds like the java cert issues
L8[00:54:47] <Kristo​pher38> no I can download stuff from github fine
L9[00:55:01] <Izzy> oh. no idea then, good luck :D
L10[00:56:20] <Kristo​pher38> lol
L11[00:56:24] <Kristo​pher38> seems like an issue with oppm
L12[00:56:28] <Kristo​pher38> not the first time this has happened
L13[01:01:33] <Amanda> github rate limit maybe?
L14[01:03:33] <Kristo​pher38> oh ffs
L15[01:04:14] <Kristo​pher38> oppm appends `?token=<timestamp>` to requests to `raw.githubusercontent.com`
L16[01:05:05] <Kristo​pher38> presumably this worked at some point in the past and got around hitting github cache
L17[01:05:14] <Kristo​pher38> but now github responds with 404
L18[01:06:03] <Kristo​pher38> doesn't help that OPPM catches all errors and prints a generic error message that doesn't tell you anything specific
L19[01:06:17] <Amanda> RIP
L20[01:10:13] <Kristo​pher38> reading random stackoverflow/github posts and it seems this has changed just a week ago
L21[01:11:58] <Mic​hiyo> @Vexatos ^ Github broke the ?token= thing
L22[01:12:27] <Izzy> think we're up to 1.8.6 aren't we
L23[01:12:30] <Izzy> might already be fixed
L24[01:12:35] <Izzy> grab the latest from GH directly
L25[01:13:24] <Kristo​pher38> it's not, i've checked
L26[01:17:58] <Mic​hiyo> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/PC-Logix/LanteaBot/refs/heads/master/README.md?moop=meh works, but https://raw.githubusercontent.com/PC-Logix/LanteaBot/refs/heads/master/README.md?token=whatever doesn't.... but why
L27[01:26:29] <Spider ​EveryOS> I love the giant letters in the ground https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1734312389066.png
L28[01:38:41] <Kristo​pher38> @Renno I'm looking at yawl-e's code, what are "welds" and "tweens"?
L29[01:48:35] <Re​nno> someone else reading me code? how flattering lol
L30[01:48:35] <Re​nno> welds are basically "joints" that you can make between GUI objects to maintain a certain offset whether thats static or dynamic with a callback function
L31[01:48:35] <Re​nno> tweens are essentially linear interpolation for size and position to do transitions/animations
L32[01:49:06] <Re​nno> thought about adding a callback for custom path calculation like bezier curves but never got that far
L33[01:50:52] <Re​nno> example from when I added that https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1734313852144.gif
L34[01:52:59] <Corded> > <Spider ​EveryOS> I love the giant letters in the ground
L35[01:52:59] <Re​nno> what even causes that
L36[01:59:03] <Corded> > <Re​nno> what even causes that
L37[01:59:03] <Spider ​EveryOS> Oh, I was modding and this was a side effect lol
L38[01:59:50] <Amanda> oh bah, the santos aren't happy about podman
L39[02:00:15] <Amanda> %remindme 10h poke santo-* and osiris to see why podman is unhappy
L40[02:00:15] <MichiBot> I'll tell you "poke santo-* and osiris to see why podman is unhappy" in 10h at 12/16/2024 12:00:15 PM
L41[02:00:38] * Amanda flops down atop Elfi, yawns a big ol' toofy yawn
L42[02:06:13] <Amanda> Night girls
L43[02:18:54] <Corded> > <Re​nno> someone else reading me code? how flattering lol
L44[02:18:54] <Corded> welds are …
L45[02:18:54] <Kristo​pher38> Neat! I was looking at yawl and yawl-e today since I remembered we've talked about the performance of GPU buffers once and you said that drawing everything to one buffer is fast enough to not bother with having a separate buffer per each widget, so I checked out the code and tested it myself
L46[02:19:36] <Kristo​pher38> It is, in fact, plenty fast
L47[02:20:27] <Kristo​pher38> With some more work on the widgets, GUI in OC could become a solved problem
L48[02:29:59] <Corded> > <Kristo​pher38> With some more work on the widgets, GUI in OC could become …
L49[02:29:59] <Re​nno> I am open to pull requests, if anyone wants to optimize or clean it up go for it, a lot of the more recent things are kind of messy because they are experimental and I was developing them for specific projects
L50[02:30:39] <Izzy> one of these days I'll make that PsychOS GUI layer I've been threatening for years
L51[02:31:05] <Izzy> (it will just be a windowing system for my existing buffered virtual terminals)
L52[02:32:04] <Corded> > <Re​nno> I am open to pull requests, if anyone wants to optimize or …
L53[02:32:04] <Re​nno> Or add better documentation. I think there's a pull request pending for adding documentation I keep forgetting to review
L54[02:32:28] <Re​nno> Realistically I should just have an ai build the documentation but eh
L55[02:57:28] <Re​nno> I'm sure I'm reinventing the wheel here but I haven't found a OC repo for "baking" eeproms yet wherein you have eeprom code that gets LZSS compressed and concatenated to the front of a minified LZSS decompressor
L56[02:59:36] <Corded> > <Kristo​pher38> I believe they've stopped adding stuff to the "main" OPPM r…
L57[02:59:37] <Re​nno> Looked through thr list earlier and saw a bunch of basically useless or empty repositories on there so if the argument is for performance I'd like to replace one of said repositories with mine
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L59[04:02:13] <Forec​aster> %tonkout
L60[04:02:13] <MichiBot> Eureka! Forec​aster! You beat Flamei​ngsoul's previous record of 5 hours, 35 minutes and 59 seconds (By 8 minutes and 10 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L61[04:02:14] <MichiBot> Forec​aster has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.005 tonk points! plus 0.004 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 1.69349462. Position #5 Need 0.08713945 more points to pass Redston​eParkour!
L62[04:34:46] <Re​nno> man debugging drones is awful
L63[04:35:25] <Re​nno> tried to minify the lzss decompressor and concat everything and make it load(decompressed)() and it just gives a "bios:17 attempt to call a nil value"
L64[04:37:28] <Izzy> I'd say "talk to lunar_sam for their stuff" but they seem to have disappeared in the last few months
L65[04:41:25] <Izzy> it's not drones, specifically, but I like to test my EEPROM software by copying it to /tmp/init.lua on a normal computer, setting the boot address to the tmpfs, and rebooting
L66[04:42:09] <Re​nno> whats the benefit of that?
L67[04:42:41] <Izzy> they have a screen and you don't have to write an EEPROM
L68[04:43:06] <Izzy> plus, you can include debugging stuff because you have 64K to work with rather than 4K
L69[04:44:12] <Re​nno> Idk how to set the boot address
L70[04:44:24] <Izzy> computer.setBootAddress, IIRC
L71[04:44:39] <Izzy> you can also use a BIOS that allows you to select a boot device at ... boot
L72[04:46:53] <Re​nno> I got the same error 💀
L73[04:47:04] <Re​nno> the same non descriptive error
L74[05:03:00] <Corded> > <Re​nno> tried to minify the lzss decompressor and concat everything…
L75[05:03:01] <Li​ly> You could always just write or use a firmware that loads from an internet card
L76[05:03:07] <Li​ly> Or even just a regular wireless card
L77[05:03:15] <Corded> > <Re​nno> I'm sure I'm reinventing the wheel here but I haven't found…
L78[05:03:15] <Li​ly> Also, `crunch`.
L79[05:03:22] <Li​ly> https://oc.cil.li/topic/511-crunch-break-the-4k-limit/
L80[05:03:30] <Re​nno> crunch seems to be about the ssame as lzss compression
L81[05:03:36] <Re​nno> I think
L82[05:03:51] <Li​ly> there's an `--lz77` option
L83[05:04:30] <Li​ly> I should write a better version of my firmware specifically made for drones and uCs
L84[05:04:49] <Re​nno> hmm
L85[05:04:51] <Re​nno> perhaps
L86[05:07:41] <Li​ly> wonder if I could write it in <256 bytes
L87[05:07:43] <Li​ly> ...probably not
L88[05:09:06] <Li​ly> I forget, can you call `modem.send` over a wireless card?
L89[05:09:13] <Li​ly> Or does it only work for wired connections?
L90[05:09:15] <Izzy> yup
L91[05:09:27] <Li​ly> ah nice
L92[05:13:29] <Re​nno> you could definitely store the decompressor in the 256 byte part
L93[05:13:41] <Li​ly> could you?
L94[05:13:50] <Re​nno> ehh actually
L95[05:13:55] <Re​nno> would take some work to barely fit that
L96[05:14:10] <Izzy> store? possibly. load? unlikely.
L97[05:14:20] <Li​ly> you *could* technically abuse part of the regular EEPROM as data storage
L98[05:14:39] <Li​ly> i've done it in the past to embed DFPWM
L99[05:14:48] <Izzy> what
L100[05:14:51] <Izzy> that's great
L101[05:15:11] <Li​ly> well, not in the EEPROM itself, but in a single file -- but you absolutely could do it for an EEPROM
L102[05:15:17] <Li​ly> hold on, let me get my example
L103[05:15:37] <Izzy> lunar_sam appears to have disappeared in mid september
L104[05:15:40] <Izzy> hope they're okay
L105[05:15:46] <Izzy> x-x
L106[05:16:05] <Re​nno> so it seems to be decompressing it properly
L107[05:16:20] <Re​nno> but theres a syntax error or something that my human eyes can't see
L108[05:18:18] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> hold on, let me get my example
L109[05:18:18] <Li​ly> it's just `dd` and a little bit of `echo`
L110[05:19:35] <Li​ly> wow this is cursed lmfao
L111[05:19:44] <Li​ly> I hooked into `printError` and then immediately forced the CC VM to OOM
L112[05:22:55] <Re​nno> hmm well even the big brain AI doesn't know why its erroring
L113[05:23:05] <Re​nno> so I'll take that as my sign to sleep
L114[05:23:11] <Izzy> big brain, all miswired :3
L115[05:24:30] <Li​ly> God I love Haze https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1734326670271.png
L116[05:24:32] <Li​ly> * Haxe
L117[05:24:40] <Li​ly> haxe is probably like
L118[05:24:44] <Li​ly> one of the top 3 languages for me
L119[05:25:02] <Li​ly> because you can do shit like *that*, and also EitherType, and also it has actual real optional parameters
L120[06:18:30] <Li​ly> aaa why is OCVM such a pain to build
L121[06:18:46] <Li​ly> and before you say "just use ocelot": no, I am not changing my resolution every time I launch it.
L122[06:19:17] <Izzy> changing your resolution?
L123[06:24:46] <Li​ly> yeah
L124[06:24:48] <Li​ly> LWJGL 2 doesn't, uh
L125[06:24:53] <Li​ly> support non-standard xrandr modelines
L126[06:25:09] <Li​ly> which is fine, because for minecraft itself there's workarounds
L127[06:25:25] <Li​ly> LWJGL3ify for 1.7.10 and LWJGL-on-LWJGL for 1.12.2
L128[06:25:47] <Izzy> non-standard xrandr modelines?
L129[06:25:53] <Li​ly> yeah
L130[06:25:57] <Li​ly> anything with `xrandr --newmode`
L131[06:26:01] <Izzy> oic
L132[06:26:08] <Li​ly> LWJGL 2 flat out dies
L133[06:26:25] <Li​ly> unfortunately for me, 1440p is "non-standard" for my monitor
L134[06:26:26] <Izzy> never noticed that issue
L135[06:26:49] <Li​ly> you probably won't if you don't regularly use a custom modeline
L136[06:26:58] <Izzy> had a few computers I hooked up to TVs that only reported 1024x768 that I added new modes for
L137[06:27:04] <Izzy> but I guess I never ran minecraft on them
L138[06:29:31] <Li​ly> I'm tempted to PR OCVM to build with Lua 5.4 and drop SVN from the makefile
L139[06:29:38] <Li​ly> because github dropped SVN early this year
L140[06:31:55] <Li​ly> it does Just Work™️ with 5.4, at least! https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1734330715133.png
L141[06:36:53] <Li​ly> is payonel even active anymore? I should probably just fork.
L142[06:37:17] <Mic​hiyo> Yes ™️
L143[06:37:29] <Li​ly> Yes he's active or yes I should fork
L144[06:37:32] <Mic​hiyo> payo is "around"
L145[06:37:42] <Li​ly> ...well, technically I need to fork to PR *anyway*
L146[06:41:07] <Li​ly> oh, ocawesome has a slightly-more-updated fork... and an open PR from '21
L147[06:41:17] <Li​ly> yeah, a PR to payonel's ocvm probably isn't getting merged
L148[06:42:51] <Forec​aster> %sip
L149[06:42:52] <MichiBot> You drink a powdery cerulium potion (New!). As Forecaster drinks the potion they seem to have become magnetic and A tiny clay figure flies towards them! They fail to evade it with a 11 vs DC 14 and takes 1d​6 => 1 damage.
L150[06:42:58] <Forec​aster> Ow
L151[06:56:27] <Li​ly> ok cool it actually properly downloads the loot disks now
L152[07:00:00] <Li​ly> https://github.com/Ocawesome101/ocvm/pull/1 :3
L153[07:00:26] <Li​ly> I'd ping him but I don't wanna be rude lol
L154[07:09:42] <Va​ur> %sip
L155[07:09:42] <MichiBot> You drink a sweet transparent potion (New!). After drinking the potion Vaur realizes the bottle has their face on it.
L156[07:16:22] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> https://github.com/Ocawesome101/ocvm/pull/1 :3
L157[07:16:23] <Ocawes​ome101> heyyy a pr
L158[07:16:27] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> I'd ping him but I don't wanna be rude lol
L159[07:16:27] <Ocawes​ome101> always ping
L160[07:16:40] <Li​ly> okay
L161[07:16:44] <Ocawes​ome101> well, i should phrase that as, i don't mind pings lol
L162[07:16:50] <Izzy> hi Ocawesome :3
L163[07:16:57] <Ocawes​ome101> my fork has fixed palette colors :>
L164[07:16:58] <Ocawes​ome101> hi izzy
L165[07:17:10] <Corded> > <Ocawes​ome101> my fork has fixed palette colors :>
L166[07:17:11] <Li​ly> your fork also now actually builds on modern compilers
L167[07:17:55] <Ocawes​ome101> fantastic
L168[07:18:03] <Ocawes​ome101> last time i built it (for this computer) i might've had to do that idk
L169[07:18:15] <Ocawes​ome101> last i remember i was puzzling how to make the build system work right, so thank you for that
L170[07:18:57] <Corded> > <Ocawes​ome101> last time i built it (for this computer) i might've had to …
L171[07:18:57] <Ocawes​ome101> yep, i did
L172[07:19:08] <Corded> > <Ocawes​ome101> last i remember i was puzzling how to make the build system…
L173[07:19:08] <Li​ly> np
L174[07:19:28] <Li​ly> it also prefers 5.4 now
L175[07:19:33] <Ocawes​ome101> excellent
L176[07:19:53] <Ocawes​ome101> merged
L177[07:20:28] <Ocawes​ome101> damn it's been 2 years since i touched ocvm
L178[07:20:52] <Ocawes​ome101> thought about trying gpu buffer support but i don't think i know c++ well enough to do that
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L180[07:21:33] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L181[07:21:56] <Corded> > <Ocawes​ome101> merged
L182[07:21:56] <Li​ly> ty
L183[07:22:09] <Ocawes​ome101> no, thank _you_ for actually fixing those things lol
L184[07:22:45] <Li​ly> :3
L185[07:23:15] <Flamei​ngsoul> %tonk
L186[07:23:15] <MichiBot> Consarn it! Flamei​ngsoul! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of <0 (By 3 hours, 21 minutes and 2 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L187[07:23:16] <MichiBot> Flameingsoul's new record is 3 hours, 21 minutes and 2 seconds! Flameingsoul also gained 0.00335 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.16424095 more points to pass Va​ur!
L188[08:16:25] ⇦ Quits: EisforExist (~kvirc@121-45-72-112.tpgi.com.au) (Quit: KVIrc 5.2.6 Quasar http://www.kvirc.net/)
L189[09:34:15] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> because you can do shit like *that*, and also EitherType, a…
L190[09:34:15] <Kristo​pher38> Hello fellow haxe user
L191[09:36:16] <Corded> > <Re​nno> Realistically I should just have an ai build the documentat…
L192[09:36:16] <Kristo​pher38> AI? Ideally you should have a CI that builds docs from annotations that you have in the code
L193[09:38:00] <Kristo​pher38> I've tried this sphinx plugin once and it worked well iirc? https://github.com/boolangery/sphinx-lua
L194[09:40:56] <Kristo​pher38> Docs would bring the most improvement in terms of QoL right now
L195[09:41:15] <Corded> > <Re​nno> I'm sure I'm reinventing the wheel here but I haven't found…
L196[09:41:15] <Redston​eParkour> see lunar_sam's `ziptie`
L197[09:44:09] <Redston​eParkour> especially `bios.lua`
L198[09:52:45] <Corded> > <Kristo​pher38> Hello fellow haxe user
L199[09:52:45] <Li​ly> :3
L200[09:54:35] <Izzy> hax
L201[09:56:23] <Li​ly> it's kind of like lua, except with proper OOP and it compiles to...
L202[09:56:33] <Li​ly> uh, yes https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1734342992834.png
L203[10:05:02] <Li​ly> Also, `EitherType<T1, T2>` my beloved
L204[10:05:17] <Li​ly> (You could even do more than two!) https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1734343516902.png
L205[10:06:18] <Kristo​pher38> it's kind of lua is an understatement lol
L206[10:06:58] <Kristo​pher38> the syntax is java-ish but it has ADTs and deep pattern matching so it has already won me over
L207[10:07:11] <Li​ly> ADwhatnows
L208[10:07:21] <Corded> > <Kristo​pher38> it's kind of lua is an understatement lol
L209[10:07:22] <Li​ly> also tbf, yeah, that's fair
L210[10:07:34] <Li​ly> Oh, abstract data types
L211[10:07:57] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> God I love Haxe
L212[10:07:57] <Li​ly> These things?
L213[10:08:45] <Li​ly> (it's been a while lol)
L214[10:09:07] <Kristo​pher38> algebraic data types
L215[10:09:14] <Li​ly> oh, the *other* ADT
L216[10:09:40] <Li​ly> >.> thanks google https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1734343780417.png
L217[10:09:58] <Li​ly> Part of why I like Haxe, though, is because you can do cursed shit like this. https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1734343797864.png https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1734343798021.png
L218[10:10:14] <Kristo​pher38> what rust and haxe call enums to not scare away programmers that have never seen a functional language
L219[10:10:20] <Li​ly> The type system is a type suggestion if you do it cursed enough :^)
L220[10:10:32] <Li​ly> ...Functional as in functional programming?
L221[10:10:49] <Kristo​pher38> yes
L222[10:10:59] <Li​ly> Are... Are enums a FP thing?
L223[10:11:09] <Kristo​pher38> originally yes
L224[10:11:34] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Part of why I like Haxe, though, is because you can do curs…
L225[10:11:34] <Li​ly> Legit like a solid 20% of why I love it is because of actual real optional parameters
L226[10:12:05] <Li​ly> You don't have to use funky wrapper classes that aren't *really* optional
L227[10:12:09] <Li​ly> You can just not specify it and it just works
L228[10:12:16] <Redston​eParkour> nix has those too!
L229[10:12:21] <Li​ly> Nix?
L230[10:12:23] <Li​ly> The... The OS?
L231[10:12:31] <Redston​eParkour> the language
L232[10:12:38] <Li​ly> Huh.
L233[10:12:46] <Redston​eParkour> also you can probaly hack it into lua
L234[10:12:59] <Li​ly> What, nix?
L235[10:13:10] <Li​ly> what do you mean "hack it into lua"
L236[10:13:15] <Redston​eParkour> uhh
L237[10:13:20] <Li​ly> optional parameters?
L238[10:13:24] <Redston​eParkour> yeah
L239[10:13:26] <Li​ly> lua *kind of* has those already
L240[10:13:36] <Li​ly> at least imo
L241[10:13:38] <Li​ly> but not like how Haxe does it
L242[11:15:32] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L243[11:15:32] <MichiBot> Woooo! Forec​aster! You beat Flamei​ngsoul's previous record of 3 hours, 21 minutes and 2 seconds (By 31 minutes and 14 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L244[11:15:33] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 3 hours, 52 minutes and 17 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00208 (0.00052 x 4) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #5. Need 0.08505945 more points to pass Redston​eParkour!
L245[12:00:16] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: poke santo-* and osiris to see why podman is unhappy
L246[12:56:46] * Amanda meows and looks around
L247[12:58:47] <Forec​aster> The nerve!
L248[13:36:38] <S​3> Amanda: so I'm back to working on my mud again. I've decided to use Tarot cards for stat roll in character creation once I get the rest of the base stuff working that hasn't been finished yet. I also gutted a lot of code that I never documented...
L249[14:41:02] <Flamei​ngsoul> %tonk
L250[14:41:02] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Flameingsoul, you were not able to beat Forecaster's record of 3 hours, 52 minutes and 17 seconds this time. 3 hours, 25 minutes and 29 seconds were wasted! Missed by 26 minutes and 47 seconds!
L251[14:41:07] <Flamei​ngsoul> damn
L252[14:45:11] <Corded> > <Redston​eParkour> especially `bios.lua`
L253[14:45:11] <Re​nno> I don't understand why bios.lua is different than the one I tried to make
L254[14:45:47] <Re​nno> specifically the line that runs things ``assert(load(z($[[luacomp -mluamin src/init.lua | lua utils/makezbios.lua]]), "=(bios)"))(z)``
L255[14:49:54] <Re​nno> bruh https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1734360594630.PNG
L256[14:55:36] <Re​nno> ig crunch isn't available on oppm?
L257[14:56:25] <Re​nno> or oppm is just straight not detecting any programs
L258[14:56:31] <Re​nno> epic
L259[15:03:51] <Re​nno> manually installed it and just errors bruh
L260[15:04:18] <Corded> > <Re​nno> I don't understand why bios.lua is different than the one I…
L261[15:04:18] <Redston​eParkour> did you escape the inserted string?
L262[15:04:35] <Re​nno> escape?
L263[15:04:46] <Re​nno> as in put [[return "this is a string"]]?
L264[15:05:28] <Re​nno> well it seems crunch is broken too
L265[15:05:34] <Re​nno> 😮‍💨
L266[15:08:15] <Redston​eParkour> nooooooo
L267[15:08:57] <Mic​hiyo> https://tenor.com/view/vader-noooo-gif-4825231
L268[15:09:32] <Redston​eParkour> the `$[[...]]` is a preprocessor directive to run `...` as a shell command and replace it with the output
L269[15:10:33] <Re​nno> I have never intentionally interacted with the preprocessor before so idk what that does
L270[15:11:14] <Re​nno> that string looks like a terminal command and idk how you can run a terminal command on an eeprom
L271[15:11:58] <Redston​eParkour> it gets run at preproc-time
L272[15:13:46] <Re​nno> still have no idea why that works or how to use it or why it has to be escaped or what escaped means
L273[15:15:11] <Forec​aster> It's what I keep doing from Amanda's enclosure
L274[15:15:15] <Forec​aster> I mean what
L275[15:16:04] <Redston​eParkour> Renno: think of it like you have to compile ziptie first before using it as an eeprom
L276[15:18:56] <Re​nno> I barely even have a concept of what ziptie is or how it actually works, idk what its readme even means
L277[15:21:21] <Corded> > <Redston​eParkour> Renno: think of it like you have to compile ziptie first be…
L278[15:21:22] <Re​nno> https://paste.pc-logix.com/ipotatidel
L279[15:21:46] <Amanda> %remindme 20m bring up the tools we'll need
L280[15:21:47] <MichiBot> I'll tell you "bring up the tools we'll need" in 20m at 12/16/2024 03:41:45 PM
L281[15:21:47] <Re​nno> * end;load(table.concat(g))()
L282[15:21:47] <Corded> ```
L283[15:21:48] <Corded> I've tested the decompressor and it works fine, but when I load() the decompressed string it has an error that I can't figure out (something is nil?)
L284[15:22:27] <Amanda> %splash @Forecaster with mutable orange potion
L285[15:22:27] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable orange potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster. @Forecaster turns into a rainbow frog girl until they have a gloopy potion.
L286[15:22:44] <Amanda> Michibot's back onto amphibians I seee
L287[15:37:02] <Corded> > <Re​nno> I don't know if its even worth spending the time to try to …
L288[15:37:02] <Redston​eParkour> where is `input` defined?
L289[15:39:03] <Corded> > <Re​nno> I'm sure I'm reinventing the wheel here but I haven't found…
L290[15:39:03] <Re​nno> ^
L291[15:39:44] <Redston​eParkour> ah
L292[15:39:59] <Re​nno> https://paste.pc-logix.com/hojunisafo
L293[15:40:51] <Re​nno> I've spaced out the decompressor to multiple lines and its saying attempt to call a nil value on the line with ``load(``
L294[15:41:46] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: bring up the tools we'll need
L295[15:44:45] <Corded> > <Re​nno> I've spaced out the decompressor to multiple lines and its …
L296[15:44:45] <Redston​eParkour> wrap the `load` call in an `assert`
L297[15:47:55] <Forec​aster> Amanda D:<
L298[15:48:02] <Corded> > <Redston​eParkour> wrap the `load` call in an `assert`
L299[15:48:02] <Re​nno> ``assert(load(table.concat(g)))()`` like this?
L300[15:48:10] <Redston​eParkour> yeah
L301[15:49:09] <Redston​eParkour> it'll likely spit out some syntax error
L302[15:49:31] <Re​nno> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1734364171057.PNG
L303[15:49:58] ⇨ Joins: Hawk777 (~Hawk777@2001:569:7cae:7e00:1b56:db7d:d6bf:9a57)
L304[15:50:21] <Redston​eParkour> yeah so uhh
L305[15:50:39] <Redston​eParkour> either your compressor or your decompressor or both is/are broken
L306[15:50:49] <Re​nno> I have tested them both
L307[15:50:57] <Re​nno> successfully compressed and decompressed
L308[15:50:59] <Re​nno> on a PC
L309[15:51:10] <Redston​eParkour> no difference?
L310[15:51:13] <Re​nno> 0
L311[15:51:28] <Redston​eParkour> no invisible characters?
L312[15:51:37] <Ocawes​ome101> iirc `[[strings done like this]]` convert `\r` to `\n`
L313[15:51:42] <Ocawes​ome101> so that'll break things
L314[15:51:46] <Redston​eParkour> what
L315[15:51:47] <Ocawes​ome101> or, it could
L316[15:52:26] <Re​nno> huh?
L317[15:53:06] <Ocawes​ome101> wait no that might be `"this kind of string"`
L318[15:53:24] <Ocawes​ome101> more likely you have an occurrence of `]]` somewhere
L319[15:53:26] <Redston​eParkour> long format strings do convert any type of line ending into `\n`
L320[15:53:49] <Re​nno> the string uses [=[
L321[15:53:50] <Redston​eParkour> but that shouldn't insert a `<\191>`
L322[15:53:51] <Re​nno> so..
L323[15:54:29] <Ocawes​ome101> it could make it not decompress right though? like if the decompressor gets offset by a byte or something like that
L324[15:54:59] <Redston​eParkour> that's possible
L325[15:55:40] <Ocawes​ome101> https://paste.pc-logix.com/luqorupuki
L326[15:56:04] <Ocawes​ome101> ^ the way i solved it for PrismBIOS was using a long comment instead of a long string
L327[15:56:09] <Redston​eParkour> oh hey that's the same mini-lzss decompressor lunar uses
L328[15:56:22] <Ocawes​ome101> i think that's a modified version of SAM's `zlua` util that is ... somewhere in one of their repos
L329[15:57:01] <Redston​eParkour> its in `ziptie`
L330[15:57:01] <Re​nno> so what does this mean
L331[15:57:04] <Re​nno> what should I do
L332[16:02:54] <Re​nno> I think something in the way the code is being compressed is messing up and breaking the decompressor
L333[16:03:20] <Re​nno> running the decompressor on the compressed eeprom code on the pc and printing it out and its definitely not the same output
L334[16:04:42] <Redston​eParkour> and running the decompressor directly on the output of the compressor?
L335[16:05:43] <Re​nno> that's what I am saying
L336[16:06:30] <Re​nno> on other strings it works perfect
L337[16:07:17] <Redston​eParkour> does the input file use `\n` for newline or `\r\n`?
L338[16:09:14] <Re​nno> it something in how its being compressed from what I can tell
L339[16:09:37] <Re​nno> or how its being put into the "string" after compression
L340[16:10:03] <Re​nno> I just compressed it and decompressed it again and it came out exact (lzss.decompress(codec)==code) returned true
L341[16:18:17] <Corded> > <Ocawes​ome101> ```lua
L342[16:18:18] <Corded> #!/usr/bin/env lua
L343[16:18:18] <Corded> local lzss = require("tools.compr…
L344[16:18:18] <Re​nno> how are you supposed to use this
L345[16:18:23] <Re​nno> in the command line
L346[16:19:31] <Ocawes​ome101> `tools/zlua.lua ChunkNameHere < /path/to/input/file.lua > /path/to/bios.lua`
L347[16:20:22] <Re​nno> chunkname?
L348[16:20:43] <Ocawes​ome101> given to `load`
L349[16:21:09] <Ocawes​ome101> `load("thing", "=name")` uses `name` instead of `[string "thing ..."]` in errors
L350[16:21:29] <Re​nno> so chunkname is just any random name?
L351[16:24:25] <Corded> > <Ocawes​ome101> ```lua
L352[16:24:25] <Corded> #!/usr/bin/env lua
L353[16:24:26] <Corded> local lzss = require("tools.compr…
L354[16:24:26] <Re​nno> attempt to index nil value (global 'arg')
L355[16:24:35] <Ocawes​ome101> what lua version are you running it with?
L356[16:24:47] <Re​nno> whatever version the latest OC mod has
L357[16:25:18] <Ocawes​ome101> i guess that must not set up `arg` in the shell. add `local arg = {...}` to the top and it'll work
L358[16:30:38] <Amanda> %choose waves or halucinate
L359[16:30:38] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Why not both? Okay fine. "waves".
L360[16:33:24] <Corded> > <Ocawes​ome101> ```lua
L361[16:33:24] <Corded> #!/usr/bin/env lua
L362[16:33:24] <Corded> local lzss = require("tools.compr…
L363[16:33:24] <Re​nno> seems to work, thanks
L364[16:33:34] <Ocawes​ome101> welcome
L365[16:39:02] <Re​nno> so if I wanted to do a netflash with the bios made from this tool, how would I send the actual string?
L366[16:39:03] <Re​nno> I tried to do this ``'return bios.set[=['..codeSegment..']=]'`` where codeSegment is the bios created from the tool, but it makes an error when I reboot
L367[16:39:51] <Corded> > <Ocawes​ome101> `load("thing", "=name")` uses `name` instead of `[string "t…
L368[16:39:51] <Re​nno> guessing it has something to do with this?
L369[16:40:53] <Redston​eParkour> no the long string likely converts line endings which fucks up the bytes
L370[16:41:07] <Redston​eParkour> i
L371[16:41:10] <Ocawes​ome101> shouldn't; if you have the converted file separately, then open it with mode `rb`, i _believe_ it won't convert line endings.
L372[16:41:37] <Redston​eParkour> i'd suggest to send code that recieves the code seperately
L373[16:42:12] <Re​nno> so don't?
L374[16:44:22] <Re​nno> theres gotta be a way to do this without having it get messed up
L375[16:44:41] <Redston​eParkour> send the to-be-flashed code seperately from the flasher
L376[16:45:01] <Re​nno> will try
L377[16:45:12] <Ocawes​ome101> or- don't have a literal with the compressed code in it- read it from a file
L378[16:45:51] <Ocawes​ome101> (if that's not what you're already doing)
L379[16:46:08] <Ocawes​ome101> e.g. don't have `local codeSegment = [=[compressed code here]=]`
L380[16:46:58] <Re​nno> I am already reading from a file
L381[16:47:04] <Re​nno> and trying to send it as a string
L382[16:47:17] <Ocawes​ome101> that should work then. what mode are you passing to `io.open`?
L383[16:47:27] <Re​nno> the file?
L384[16:47:35] <Re​nno> of the compressed eeprom?
L385[16:47:38] <Ocawes​ome101> mode is second argument
L386[16:47:46] <Ocawes​ome101> `io.open("/path/to/file", "mode")`
L387[16:47:50] <Re​nno> it doesn't work with rb or no mode
L388[16:47:56] <Ocawes​ome101> i think mode `r` (the default) will convert line endings and `rb` will not?
L389[16:48:05] <Ocawes​ome101> hm
L390[16:48:19] <Re​nno> in rb "attempt to call a nil value" returned from the drone
L391[16:48:42] <Redston​eParkour> so a syntax error
L392[16:48:46] <Ocawes​ome101> ^ `load` the string until you get a more comprehensible error
L393[16:48:54] <Re​nno> that is from loading the string..
L394[16:49:02] <Ocawes​ome101> load it on the computer where you have a screen
L395[16:49:10] <Ocawes​ome101> and tracebacks
L396[16:51:07] <Re​nno> its basically the same non descriptive error on pc as it is returned from the dron
L397[16:51:08] <Re​nno> * drone
L398[16:51:18] <Re​nno> string expected, got nil
L399[16:51:33] <Re​nno> mind you the drone is alive and working
L400[16:51:35] <Redston​eParkour> 'string expected, got nil'?
L401[16:51:41] <Re​nno> yes, that is the error
L402[16:51:46] <Re​nno> doesn't say a line or anything
L403[16:52:04] <Re​nno> just bad argument #1 (string expected, got nil)
L404[16:52:34] <Ocawes​ome101> sounds like either `eeprom.set` or `load` isn't getting an argument
L405[16:53:15] <Redston​eParkour> i highly doubt that `load` isn't getting an argument
L406[16:53:26] <Ocawes​ome101> yeah `eeprom.set` seems more likely
L407[16:53:30] <Ocawes​ome101> which is odd
L408[17:06:14] <Re​nno> trying to send it as a second argument to get passed into a pcall but it seems it isn't getting passed into the function returned by load 🤔
L409[17:08:38] <Ocawes​ome101> are you using pcall right?
L410[17:08:54] <Ocawes​ome101> common mistake is `pcall(func())` instead of `pcall(func)`
L411[17:09:30] <Re​nno> ``local returned = {pcall(func, args[8], args[9], args[10])}``
L412[17:09:55] <Redston​eParkour> that should be fine
L413[17:10:00] <Re​nno> I did ``status(tostring(args[8]))`` just to see if it had anything and it shows the start of the code block
L414[17:10:09] <Re​nno> so the code block is there but its not making it into the pcall?
L415[17:11:45] <Re​nno> ``local function update(newcode) return newcode and #newcode or "how?" end return update()``
L416[17:11:45] <Re​nno> the code that the new bios should get passed into
L417[17:11:54] <Re​nno> returns ``how?``
L418[17:12:15] <Ocawes​ome101> do you pass anything to `update()`
L419[17:13:33] <Re​nno> ah yes the ...
L420[17:14:50] <Re​nno> seems to be working, epic
L421[17:26:11] <Corded> > <Re​nno> bruh
L422[17:26:11] <Kristo​pher38> I debugged this yesterday, see some of my messages
L423[17:30:11] <Corded> > <Kristo​pher38> oppm appends `?token=<timestamp>` to requests to `raw.githu…
L424[17:30:11] <Kristo​pher38> Here
L425[17:30:35] <Kristo​pher38> If you grep for "token" and remove the code that adds this in oppm's code it should work
L426[17:30:52] <Kristo​pher38> * to http requests in oppm's code it should work
L427[17:37:24] <Forec​aster> I think it's %tonkout time
L428[17:37:25] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Forec​aster, you were not able to beat Forec​aster's record of 3 hours, 52 minutes and 17 seconds this time. 2 hours, 56 minutes and 22 seconds were wasted! Missed by 55 minutes and 54 seconds!
L429[17:37:29] <Forec​aster> or maybe not
L430[17:37:32] <Forec​aster> %tonkattempts
L431[17:37:32] <MichiBot> You have 1 attempt left.
L432[17:37:35] <Forec​aster> phew
L433[17:37:59] <Forec​aster> I guess I misremembered and it was actually 19 and not 18...
L434[17:38:21] <Forec​aster> no that can't be it, my memory is flawless
L435[17:41:09] <Flamei​ngsoul> now i gotta wait until 4pm
L436[17:44:16] <Corded> > <Kristo​pher38> If you grep for "token" and remove the code that adds this …
L437[17:44:16] <Mic​hiyo> Can just swap ?token for ?somerandombullshithere and it should still work in the single, one thing I tested test. That'll also leave in the cache defeat that was original going for.
L438[17:57:18] <Kristo​pher38> Have you tested that it does in fact bypass the cache?
L439[18:09:40] <Ocawes​ome101> i think i've done something like that before and it does in fact do so .... or it did then anyway
L440[18:48:32] <Corded> > <Kristo​pher38> Have you tested that it does in fact bypass the cache?
L441[18:48:32] <Mic​hiyo> In my I tested this exactly once test, it looked like it did. *shrug*
L442[19:15:24] <luna​r_sam> Izzy: i can't ever seem to get ahold of _you_ anymore lol
L443[19:16:09] <luna​r_sam> life's been rough but i've wanted to ramble about my batshit ideas lol
L444[19:24:25] <luna​r_sam> you know, i just realized i could shave 2 extra bytes off of ziptie
L445[19:25:21] <Re​nno> my brain is having trouble braining
L446[19:26:01] <Hawk777> Zipties are made of bytes now?
L447[19:30:28] <luna​r_sam> everything can be made of bytes if you have the right way to store and load it :p
L448[19:31:42] <Forec​aster> Gasp, we *do* live in a simulation!
L449[19:36:37] <Elfi> most everything can be bitten too. once.
L450[19:41:05] <Izzy> lunar_sam: still on IRC and XMPP
L451[19:41:48] <Forec​aster> some things you can bite multiple times
L452[19:41:51] <Forec​aster> I've heard...
L453[19:44:32] <Spider ​EveryOS> %tonkout
L454[19:44:33] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Spider ​EveryOS, you were not able to beat Forec​aster's record of 3 hours, 52 minutes and 17 seconds this time. 2 hours, 7 minutes and 7 seconds were wasted! Missed by 1 hour, 45 minutes and 9 seconds!
L455[19:53:25] <Va​ur> bloodbath today lol
L456[19:54:19] <Flamei​ngsoul> %greenshell Vaur
L457[19:54:19] <MichiBot> Flamei​ngsoul: You are out of Green Shells
L458[19:54:23] <Flamei​ngsoul> %shellcount
L459[19:54:24] <MichiBot> Flamei​ngsoul: You have 0 Blue Shells, 0 Red Shells, 0 Green Shells, and 2 Bricks
L460[19:54:26] <Flamei​ngsoul> nooooooooo
L461[19:54:28] <Flamei​ngsoul> my ammo
L462[19:59:09] <Forec​aster> who could have predicted this
L463[19:59:33] <Flamei​ngsoul> i still need .17 points to catch up to vaur
L464[20:07:26] <Va​ur> I'm sure someone will find a shell
L465[20:07:42] <Flamei​ngsoul> %chug
L466[20:07:42] <MichiBot> You drink a shiny redstone potion (New!). Flameingsoul's pockets suddenly contain 1d​10 => 5 Octiron colored marbles.
L467[20:07:48] <Flamei​ngsoul> one day ill get a shell, one day
L468[20:07:56] <Va​ur> but then ... I'll have my shell of my own ! 😄
L469[20:08:13] <Flamei​ngsoul> oh well i am happy at 2nd place after starting at the bottom at the beggining of the month
L470[20:09:18] <Forec​aster> %sip
L471[20:09:18] <MichiBot> You drink a rising diamond potion (New!). Forecaster zones out for 2 minutes.
L472[20:10:37] <Va​ur> %sip
L473[20:10:37] <MichiBot> You drink a shining void potion (New!). Vaur's clothes turn the color of coralcreep for 50 minutes.
L474[20:31:55] <luna​r_sam> Izzy: it says you're offline lol
L475[20:32:16] <Va​ur> %sip
L476[20:32:16] <MichiBot> You drink a searing violet potion (New!). Tonk moved forward 1 hour. (Rem. uses: 1)
L477[20:32:34] <Izzy> my messages aren't getting acknowledged as sent properly
L478[20:32:39] <Izzy> will investigate later, big day today
L479[20:34:07] <luna​r_sam> hm, it might be my end lol
L480[20:34:24] <luna​r_sam> the server i'm on is probably having Issues
L481[20:36:57] <luna​r_sam> but yeah, i haven't done much programming for a while lol
L482[20:55:12] <Corded> > <Va​ur> bloodbath today lol
L483[20:55:12] <Spider ​EveryOS> Yea lol, it's playing hard to get
L484[20:55:13] <Spider ​EveryOS> I missed an attempt in search results
L485[20:55:27] <Spider ​EveryOS> %sip
L486[20:55:28] <MichiBot> You drink a woolly salmon potion (New!). Spider EveryOS's pinky goes on vacation until their next sip of water.
L487[20:55:56] <Corded> > <Mich​iBot> You drink a searing violet potion (New!). Tonk moved forwar…
L488[20:55:56] <Spider ​EveryOS> This will only worsen the problem I think
L489[20:57:49] <Forec​aster> heck, why not both %sip woolly salmon
L490[20:57:49] <MichiBot> You drink a woolly salmon potion. Forecaster's pinky goes on vacation until an elephant forgets.
L491[20:57:55] <Va​ur> %sip searing violet potion
L492[20:57:55] <MichiBot> You drink a searing violet potion. Tonk moved forward 4 hours. (Rem. uses: 0)
L493[20:57:58] <Forec​aster> that's not it...
L494[20:58:07] <Va​ur> this is fine 😈
L495[21:05:57] <Forec​aster> %sip
L496[21:06:04] <Forec​aster> oh right
L497[21:06:27] <Forec​aster> the potion I didn't mean to drink still counts towards the cooldown, how rude
L498[21:16:16] <Va​ur> %sip
L499[21:16:17] <MichiBot> You drink a hairy redstone potion (New!). Vaur grows slightly until hell freezes over.
L500[21:27:45] <Flamei​ngsoul> %chug
L501[21:27:46] <MichiBot> You drink a 5th-dimensional rock potion (New!). Flameingsoul recovers some mana.
L502[21:29:50] <Amanda> %choose laptopnaptime and halucinate or play with thing
L503[21:29:50] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: The sands of time whisper to me... they're saying "laptopnaptime and halucinate".
L504[21:32:40] * Amanda flops down atop Elfi, meows about her plans for taking over a neighboring dimension where the amanda of that dimension was stealing all her scritchies
L505[22:41:49] <Þe​ros> is opencomputers like
L506[22:41:54] <Þe​ros> completely dead now
L507[22:41:59] <Þe​ros> the community
L508[22:43:12] <Liizzii> no?
L509[22:43:48] <Liizzii> probably not as big as it was, but there's still the occasional talk of OC stuff here
L510[22:44:03] <Amanda> Not really, but on-topic conversation is banned here. :P
L511[22:45:24] <Amanda> Hrm. I'm out of stories to read
L512[22:45:45] <Amanda> Well, other than the transfic stash, but I'm going to go slow on that
L513[22:45:51] <Corded> > <Lii​zzii> probably not as big as it was, but there's still the occasi…
L514[22:45:51] <Þe​ros> though i haven't seen anything new on the forms for the last 3 months
L515[22:46:07] <Þe​ros> other than what i've been posting
L516[22:46:15] <Liizzi​i-chan> the forums are a little dead, yeah
L517[22:46:30] <Kristo​pher38> discord is where it's t
L518[22:46:31] <Kristo​pher38> * at
L519[22:46:49] <Liizzi​i-chan> which reminds me, they need updating, but i need to move them to a new server cause the current one is running a version of ubuntu that doesn't have php8
L520[22:47:06] <Þe​ros> ah
L521[22:47:14] <Liizzi​i-chan> _adds to the list of stuff to sort over her new year's break_
L522[22:47:24] <Amanda> Sadly, indeed, the days of internet forums are slowly disappearing
L523[22:47:34] <Þe​ros> https://oc.cil.li/topic/2474-theros-community-repository-tocr/
L524[22:47:52] <Amanda> Now it's all facetube and youbook and disacordian
L525[22:48:00] <Þe​ros> please give me criticism and whatnot
L526[22:48:08] <Jas​onS> are there any plans to bring opencomputers to later versions of minecraft? And is OC2 development still happening or has that project died
L527[22:48:55] <Amanda> there's been several projects attempting to bring OC1 to newer mc, all have stalled
L528[22:49:21] <Amanda> OC2 is now mostly maintained in a fork form by gruetzkopf and co I think?
L529[22:50:19] <Jas​onS> maintained as in development is continuing, or just doing maintenance?
L530[22:51:18] <Kristo​pher38> i think KosmosPrime's fork on 1.16 is maintained https://github.com/KosmosPrime/OpenComputers/releases
L531[22:52:01] <gruetzkopf> atm mostly maintanance, but we have done some new stuff, someone else is also working on it without talking too much about it?
L532[22:52:40] <gruetzkopf> (we have actual proper switches, and colorful fiberoptics, and a PCI card cage (prototype))
L533[22:53:02] <gruetzkopf> and a configured-from-scratch kernel and default rootfs
L534[22:53:22] <Jas​onS> nice
L535[22:53:31] <Liizzii> if i had the time and motivation to learn minecraft modding and scala, i would probably try and also take a crack at either re-writing OC in Java, so porting would be easier, or updating it to a later version. but i know I don't have anywhere near the patience to learn it and would loose interest very quickly
L536[22:53:57] <Jas​onS> is OC not in java? What is it in, Scala?
L537[22:54:03] <Jas​onS> * Java? What is it in, Scala?
L538[22:54:03] <Liizzii> yep
L539[22:54:05] <Þe​ros> yes
L540[22:54:26] <Liizzii> which probably isn't helping the porting attempts
L541[22:54:47] <Liizzii> IIRC Scala got somewhat dropped from forge support in later versions?
L542[22:54:56] <Liizzii> or not as well maintained
L543[22:54:58] <Kristo​pher38> if the porting effort was more focused we'd have had a port by now but everyone seems dead set on making a port by themselves which gets nowhere (except KosmosPrime's port, that's very impressive work)
L544[22:56:27] <Jas​onS> I know I've said this before, and I know saying it again now won't do anything, but I think it would be cool and really fit things well if we a version of OC or OC-like mod that used WASM as the underlying architecture, just like CC and OC1 use Lua as the underlying architecture. I feel like OC2 using RISC-V is going a bit in the wrong
L545[22:56:27] <Corded> direction, making it feel a little more like just using a regular computer IRL, instead of keeping the charm of using a nonstandard, and therefore drastically simpler, system (the linux kernel of course being *very* complex, RISC-V or not)
L546[22:56:46] <Kristo​pher38> hmm, I wonder how far this fork has gotten https://github.com/North-Western-Development/OpenComputers-1.20.1-port/tree/master-MC1.20
L547[22:56:56] <Jas​onS> * had version of OC or OC-like mod that used WASM as the underlying architecture, just like CC and OC1 use Lua as the underlying architecture. I feel like OC2 using RISC-V is going a bit in the wrong direction, making it feel a little more like just using a regular computer IRL, instead of keeping the charm of using a nonstandard, and
L548[22:56:56] <Corded> therefore drastically simpler, system (the linux kernel of course being *very* complex, RISC-V or not)
L549[22:57:55] <Corded> > <Kristo​pher38> if the porting effort was more focused we'd have had a port…
L550[22:57:55] <Jas​onS> I think the issue is that that mindset is kinda just what the people of this community have, which is nice in a way but also as seen here a bit counterproductive
L551[22:58:14] <Kristo​pher38> this is the mindset where you never ship anything usable
L552[22:58:38] <Liizzii> having the alternative architectures there for those that want it would be nice, but most players probably aren't looking to code their own stuff from scratch and will instead just put together bits of other things
L553[22:59:16] <Liizzii> Lua is basic enough that you can get a reasonable understanding of what a script does just by looking at it (so long as it's clean)
L554[22:59:23] <Corded> > <Kristo​pher38> hmm, I wonder how far this fork has gotten https://github.c…
L555[22:59:23] <Kristo​pher38> not much it seems, the 1.18 branch had a bit more work done
L556[22:59:25] <Corded> > <Kristo​pher38> this is the mindset where you never ship anything usable
L557[22:59:25] <Jas​onS> yeah it's definitely not a practically-minded mindset
L558[23:00:09] <Jas​onS> more of a "wouldn't be cool if I..." type of mindset, which is cool on a personal level, but doesn't actually get things done very well
L559[23:01:42] <Liizzii> if development for one of the forks (or even if it gets pooled back into the main repo), I'll deffo host Jenkins or other CI tooling and actively maintain the forums again, but it's not worth the effort when the work is all fragmented and mostly stalled
L560[23:02:11] * Liizzii wanders off to the rainbox
L561[23:08:04] <Hawk777> JasonS, you mean like https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/oc-wasm ? (yeah, it’s my own project…) though that’s not moving it beyond 1.12.
L562[23:08:17] <Li​ly> Why is crab
L563[23:08:34] <Hawk777> I wrote it so I could write OC programs in Rust.
L564[23:08:39] <Li​ly> ah.
L565[23:08:46] <Hawk777> Should work fine for other languages that can target Wasm, that’s just the one I cared about personally.
L566[23:09:39] <Corded> > <Haw​k777> JasonS, you mean like https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/���
L567[23:09:39] <Jas​onS> yeah this looks cool
L568[23:10:09] <Amanda> I got it working with zig, but last I looked zig hasn't re-added async support, so it's busted on any zig past 0.9
L569[23:10:53] <Amanda> It straight up crashed the zig compiler on 0.10. :D
L570[23:10:59] <Hawk777> Wow nice!
L571[23:11:16] <Amanda> but I've not touched it in years
L572[23:11:44] <Amanda> "Updated 2 years ago"
L573[23:11:53] <Hawk777> I haven’t actually touched anything OC-related for many months now. Just too many things to do. A friend talked about Create a bunch, and it looked cool, so I decided to start up a Create world, and I picked a big modpack with Create in it, and now I have another world to very very slowly make progress in, in addition to my 1.12 which is languishing but I still want to get back and work on Any Time Now™. And of course instead of pop
L574[23:11:53] <Hawk777> stack, I ended up pushing stack a personal programming project instead.
L575[23:15:11] <Kristo​pher38> I wished to run OCaml on oc-wasm but realized it needs GC extension and some other stuff that oc-wasm doesn't have so that was a bit of a bummer
L576[23:16:36] <Kristo​pher38> Hawk777: curious why did you go with translating to jvm instead of just running a wasm VM, I take it was for performance but did this make that much of a difference?
L577[23:16:36] <Hawk777> Ah! Too bad. Asmble, the Wasm-to-Java compiler it uses, is pretty much unmaintained AFAIK.
L578[23:17:17] <Hawk777> Well, for one thing it seemed like it shouldn’t be any worse for performance, and maybe better—I didn’t measure anything, but it seemed like a good idea from that perspective.
L579[23:18:03] <Hawk777> For another, I looked at Java implementations of Wasm and found Asmble; at the time I think it either didn’t implement an interpreter (only a compiler), or else I didn’t manage to find the interpreter in its codebase, and I didn’t run across any other Wasm-on-Java implementations, so it was that or write my own, and I picked the one that didn’t triple the project length.
L580[23:18:43] <Kristo​pher38> yeah, I bet there weren't that many wasm vms for java at the time
L581[23:18:58] <Hawk777> Do you know if there are now?
L582[23:19:19] <Kristo​pher38> I looked into it, I think there was one that supported GC extension and stuff
L583[23:19:37] <Hawk777> In retrospect something suspendable would have been nice, to eliminate the mild inconvenience of having to make everything async.
L584[23:19:56] <Hawk777> And I imagine interpreters are a lot more likely to be suspendable than compilers to JVM.
L585[23:20:50] <Hawk777> (or, I suppose, in the case of Zig, rather more than mild)
L586[23:21:14] <Kristo​pher38> Hold on, I'm looking for it
L587[23:21:33] <Kristo​pher38> on a related note how much work would it be to change the runtime backend in oc-wasm?
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L589[23:22:53] <Hawk777> Depends. Maybe actually not THAT much? I remember most of the work was either (1) figuring out how to connect with OC and deal with stuff like that, which would still be applicable; and (2) doing unspeakable eldritch things with bytecode patching to the output of Asmble, which hopefully wouldn’t be necessary.
L590[23:23:21] * Liizzii returns
L591[23:23:43] * Amanda offers @Liizzii some post-rainbox iced creams
L592[23:23:55] * Liizzii accepts
L593[23:24:31] <Hawk777> Adding a different backend would come with a huge question mark though: should it be transparent to already-written applications that run in OC-Wasm? Or should it break compatibility for the sake of the improved features? And do we need to keep both backends, or just throw the old one out?
L594[23:25:16] <Hawk777> *Maybe* it could make all the new features available without breaking compat, but that would require more research.
L595[23:27:26] <Hawk777> If you point me at the Wasm interpreter, I’d be somewhat interested in having a look, though it’ll probably be a long time before I get around to doing much with it. Maybe you could write a ticket on the repo with a pointer to it.
L596[23:29:48] <Amanda> Don't forget the stacktrace on the ticket, too! :P
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L599[23:32:21] <Corded> > <Ama​nda> Don't forget the stacktrace on the ticket, too! :P
L600[23:32:21] <Mic​hiyo> %stacktrace :P
L601[23:32:21] <MichiBot> http://i.imgur.com/XffI6QA.jpg :P
L602[23:36:27] <Amanda> That's exactly what I was thinking of when I said it. :3
L603[23:38:34] <Kristo​pher38> for the love of me I can't find it
L604[23:38:49] <Kristo​pher38> I'll get back to you eventually though
L605[23:39:53] <Hawk777> OK!
L606[23:41:09] <Hawk777> A couple of times over the past year or so I also pondered the option of using non-Java code, but while I’m actually quite happy writing native code, I don’t particularly feel like figuring out how to build it for multiple architectures and so on (I know stock OC has Eris, but even that has a fallback fully-Java option for people who can’t use Eris).
L607[23:41:26] <Hawk777> There are some pretty well-developed Wasm runtimes out there written in native code, though…
L608[23:42:21] <Hawk777> I suppose I could go fully insane, take a native-code interpreted Wasm runtime, compile it *TO* Wasm, then use Asmble to turn it into JVM bytecode, then use *THAT* to run the Wasm code in OC-Wasm…
L609[23:43:03] <Hawk777> At least if I did that I wouldn’t have to do unspeakable eldritch horrors to the bytecode coming out of Asmble.
L610[23:43:57] <Hawk777> But no, I think a Wasm interpreter written in Java would be simplest.
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