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L1[01:14:41] <Spider ​EveryOS> %tonkout
L2[01:14:41] <MichiBot> Woah! Spider ​EveryOS! You beat your own previous record of 3 hours, 34 minutes and 10 seconds (By 1 hour, 5 minutes and 58 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L3[01:14:42] <MichiBot> Spider ​EveryOS has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.004 tonk points! plus 0.006 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 2.82394971, Position #2 Need 0.01714938 more points to pass Forec​aster!
L4[01:52:44] <Re​nno> izzy: how often do you reset the servers world & how many players are there?
L5[01:53:04] <Izzy> A world usually lasts 3-6 months
L6[01:53:13] <Izzy> and I have the capacity to run at least two at once
L7[01:56:37] <Re​nno> I'm contemplating joining and trying to make a small "smart" facility of sorts where smart basically just means sensors + OC controllable doors and similar
L8[01:58:08] <Re​nno> so how many players are there?
L9[02:04:16] <Izzy> currently, two
L10[02:04:30] <Izzy> we've had like six active players at various times
L11[02:05:17] <Izzy> concurrent active players, that is
L12[02:10:39] <Re​nno> how many mods are supposed to be in this zip
L13[02:10:49] <Izzy> in the zip you download? 0
L14[02:10:50] <Re​nno> the only jar in here is UpdaterUpdater.jar
L15[02:11:19] <Izzy> yeah it's an auto-updater
L16[02:11:56] <Re​nno> so when do the mods show up
L17[02:12:03] <Izzy> when you start the pack
L18[02:12:19] <Re​nno> from UpdaterUpdater.jar I'm guessing?
L19[02:12:26] <Izzy> yup
L20[02:12:33] <Izzy> it's a tool called PackUpdate :)
L21[02:16:46] <Re​nno> I can't even find that
L22[02:16:58] <Re​nno> doesn't seem to be on any mod hoster?
L23[02:17:15] <Izzy> https://github.com/XDjackieXD/PackUpdate
L24[02:18:53] <Izzy> written by some people you might recognise ;)
L25[02:27:05] <Re​nno> a couple of them
L26[02:27:22] <Re​nno> interesting mod, basically turns you into curseforge if I understand correctly
L27[02:27:45] <Izzy> kinda yeah
L28[02:27:49] <Izzy> though it's not a mod :p
L29[02:28:36] <Re​nno> surprised you didn't just make your own launcher
L30[02:28:50] <Izzy> that sounds like a lot of work
L31[02:29:06] <Re​nno> seems like everything you do is a lot of work lol
L32[02:29:49] <Re​nno> so how hardcore is this pack
L33[02:30:01] <Re​nno> oh man, ice and fire is crazy
L34[02:30:26] <Re​nno> here I was thinking this would be more of a towny like pack + server
L35[02:30:34] <Izzy> the mobs are kinda crazy, it's meant to encourage you to work together with other players to build a safe settlement
L36[02:30:48] <Izzy> the highest tiers of TiCon gear are gated behind dungeoning too
L37[02:31:30] <Re​nno> I'm guessing no ae2 or refined storage
L38[02:31:43] <Izzy> nope, but there is storage drawers, so you can do computerised storage
L39[02:31:44] <Re​nno> also guessing you have an OC based replacement?
L40[02:31:47] <Re​nno> right
L41[02:41:00] <Re​nno> whats with the disabled mods
L42[02:41:11] <Re​nno> optional?
L43[02:41:14] <Izzy> yup
L44[02:41:19] <Izzy> and/or for specific issues
L45[02:41:48] <Re​nno> Vintagium, whats the deal with this one
L46[02:42:00] <Izzy> optimisation mod
L47[02:42:17] <Izzy> it disagrees with waterlogged
L48[02:42:35] <Izzy> but if you need the extra perf and don't mind rendering bugs it may be worth it
L49[03:22:21] * Amanda pawhugs Elfi, deciding to save the trains for tomorrow, does a heccen zzzearflick
L50[03:22:29] <Amanda> Night girls
L51[03:47:09] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L52[03:47:10] <MichiBot> Yay! Forec​aster! You beat Spider ​EveryOS's previous record of <0 (By 2 hours, 32 minutes and 28 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L53[03:47:11] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 2 hours, 32 minutes and 28 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00254 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.
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L55[06:41:58] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L56[06:41:59] <MichiBot> Awesome! Forec​aster! You beat your own previous record of 2 hours, 32 minutes and 28 seconds (By 22 minutes and 21 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L57[06:42:00] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 2 hours, 54 minutes and 49 seconds! No points gained for stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.00037 x 3 = 0.00111)
L58[06:52:31] <Corded> > <Re​nno> says there is a trojan "Wacatac.B!ml"
L59[06:52:31] <Li​ly> IIRC this one is generally a false positive
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L63[10:50:35] <Forec​aster> That's what Izzy wants you to think!
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L66[11:40:23] <Forec​aster> %tonkout
L67[11:40:24] <MichiBot> Yow! Forec​aster! You beat your own previous record of 2 hours, 54 minutes and 49 seconds (By 2 hours, 3 minutes and 35 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L68[11:40:25] <MichiBot> Forec​aster has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.004 tonk points! plus 0.006 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 2.85363909, Position #1
L69[11:54:08] * Amanda meows and looks around
L70[11:58:32] <Amanda> %splash @Forecaster with mutable cyan potion
L71[11:58:32] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable cyan potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster. @Forecaster turns into a cerulium cat boy until they recite the litany against fear.
L72[11:58:44] <Amanda> ! Cat boi!
L73[11:59:25] <Amanda> Also, sad times. When my old phone died, my new one didn't copy the Fore no! Sticker over
L74[12:47:41] <Amanda> Hrm, that's worrying. My laptops been stuck at 97% updating for a bit now
L75[13:05:55] <Flamei​ngsoul> dont updates normally get stuck in the 90s?
L76[14:00:23] <Flamei​ngsoul> Laptop finish updating?
L77[14:04:20] <Amanda> First time it happen for me, might have just been a package got stuck somehow, because rebooting it and it all seems fine
L78[14:04:58] <Amanda> Note this is linux, not windows/macos
L79[14:05:39] <Forec​aster> D:<
L80[14:07:07] <Amanda> %choose irradiate or game
L81[14:07:07] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: A nearby lamp suddenly screams "irradiate!" such that it's barely audible.
L82[14:53:13] <Corded> > <Ama​nda> Note this is linux, not windows/macos
L83[14:53:13] <Flamei​ngsoul> ah, that makes it worse from my experience
L84[14:54:06] <Flamei​ngsoul> ~~especially when i cant download a needed driver becuase to access the internet i need to install said driver, but in normal non downloading OS form i cant use wlan0 for some reason~~
L85[14:56:28] <Flamei​ngsoul> i will forever be hating my laptop for that one reason
L86[14:57:45] <Amanda> ... where the fuck is steam getting 132G non-steam data from. My deck's ~'s largest thing is the fucking steam folder
L87[14:58:18] <Spider ​EveryOS> %tonk
L88[14:58:18] <MichiBot> Fudge! Spider ​EveryOS! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of <0 (By 3 hours, 17 minutes and 54 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L89[14:58:19] <MichiBot> Spider EveryOS's new record is 3 hours, 17 minutes and 54 seconds! Spider EveryOS also gained 0.0033 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.02638938 more points to pass Forec​aster!
L90[14:58:29] <Amanda> and that's at 100G
L91[14:59:23] <Amanda> I can account for ~34G of that
L92[15:03:38] <Forec​aster> You need higher pressure
L93[15:03:54] <Forec​aster> Steam likes to expand
L94[15:18:21] <Mic​hiyo> *sigh* Satisfactory modders are annoying... "You have to use our mod manager to install mods, even on a linux dedicated server where you specifically CAN NOT run our mod manager other than connecting it with SFTP, which btw won't work unless you own the game" My guy, they're fucking files in fucking folders, I can upload fucking files
L95[15:18:22] <Corded> in fucking folders by hand... every other mod works fine EXCEPT yours, I don't think me UPLOADING THEM BY HAND IS THE FUCKING ISSUE.
L96[15:18:24] <Mic​hiyo> /rant
L97[15:20:08] <Redston​eParkour> i assume the mod manager doesn't run on linux?
L98[15:20:35] <Amanda> it's got an .appimage that works for the client, idk about the dedicsated
L99[15:20:36] <Mic​hiyo> Even if it did, it wants a GUI which this server doesn't have, doesn't need, and won't be getting.
L100[15:20:44] <Redston​eParkour> ah
L101[15:21:06] <Redston​eParkour> forward your x through ssh or something
L102[15:21:23] <Redston​eParkour> (xorg)
L103[15:21:30] <Mic​hiyo> Also, it worked perfectly fine before the latest update... so again, NOT an issue with uploading the files.
L104[15:21:57] <Mic​hiyo> https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888
L105[15:37:38] <Corded> > <Mic​hiyo> *sigh* Satisfactory modders are annoying... "You have to us…
L106[15:37:38] <Flamei​ngsoul> Completely valid and I agree that shits annoying
L107[15:40:10] <Flamei​ngsoul> It also sucks when you own the game but the mod manager doesn't exist on Linux, or they dropped support and thus you can't play modded with friends
L108[15:43:06] <Mic​hiyo> So, now I've pirated a game that I otherwise wouldn't have. I've installed their mod manager, I've connected it just like they said...
L109[15:43:06] <Mic​hiyo> `failed to remove old mods: failed to delete mod directory: failed to delete path: file does not exist`
L110[15:43:16] <Mic​hiyo> Because it doesn't like something with the SFTP server.
L111[15:43:21] <Mic​hiyo> amazing.
L112[15:59:22] <Mic​hiyo> `failed to install mods: failed to install ModularUI@2.1.29: could not extract ModularUI: failed to remove directory: \FactoryGame\Mods\ModularUI: failed to delete path: file does not exist`
L113[15:59:23] <Mic​hiyo>
L114[15:59:23] <Mic​hiyo> But do it this way because it works perfectly for everyone.
L115[16:07:09] <Corded> > <Mic​hiyo> *sigh* Satisfactory modders are annoying... "You have to us…
L116[16:07:09] <Li​ly> You have to own the game to use a mod manager for the dedicated server?
L117[16:07:10] <Li​ly> The dedicated server which *specifically doesn't* require you to own the game??
L118[16:07:11] <Li​ly> What the fuck
L119[16:08:14] <Mic​hiyo> Yep, and it queries Steam and / or Epic to verify that the game is in the correct location, so you have to put the files in the SteamLibrary folder, AND make a fake .vcf or whatever so that when it looks it sees is where steam would put it.
L120[16:08:31] <Li​ly> What the fuck
L121[16:08:46] <Li​ly> Is it literally just for overzealous antipiracy?
L122[16:09:02] <Forec​aster> since when does mods reinforce anti-piracy
L123[16:09:07] <Li​ly> For a game that already doesn't require you to own the game to run a server, *like literally any sane game?*
L124[16:18:04] <Mic​hiyo> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L125[16:18:25] <Amanda> %choose waves or halucinate
L126[16:18:25] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I spy with my robotic eye something beginning with "halucinate"!
L127[16:54:05] <Forec​aster> %sip
L128[16:54:06] <MichiBot> You drink a wild moonstone potion (New!). The potion contained a computer virus! It changed Forecaster's theme to one they don't like!
L129[16:54:12] <Forec​aster> D:
L130[16:54:47] <Forec​aster> why is my cursor a fish now?!
L131[16:54:49] <Mic​hiyo> I think the message here, is fuck Satisfactory modders, but also fuck AMP and their shitty SFTP implementatiojn.
L132[16:55:04] <Mic​hiyo> * implementation.
L133[16:55:28] <Forec​aster> you gotta hate shitty implemeshninions
L134[17:11:41] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> why is my cursor a fish now?!
L135[17:11:41] <Li​ly> :3
L136[17:39:32] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L137[17:39:33] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Forecaster, you were not able to beat Spider EveryOS's record of 3 hours, 17 minutes and 54 seconds this time. 2 hours, 41 minutes and 14 seconds were wasted! Missed by 36 minutes and 40 seconds!
L138[17:39:49] <Forec​aster> a dangit
L139[17:39:56] <Forec​aster> miscalculated slightly
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L145[18:48:56] <Corded> > <Mic​hiyo> I think the message here, is fuck Satisfactory modders, but…
L146[18:48:57] <Flamei​ngsoul> here, take a virtual cookie, and not like those site ones
L147[18:49:03] <Flamei​ngsoul> 🍪
L148[18:49:28] <Flamei​ngsoul> for unlike websites, this is not something you can decline
L149[18:49:39] <Flamei​ngsoul> you now own +1 digital cookies
L150[18:50:32] <Forec​aster> Launch the cookie interception missiles!
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L153[19:28:28] <Flamei​ngsoul> deploy the cookie interception missile interception missile
L154[19:29:21] <Forec​aster> you can't do that! D:<
L155[19:29:49] <Flamei​ngsoul> it knocks down yours and reverses the path to send marshmellows
L156[19:30:01] <Flamei​ngsoul> not destructive, but litter the place
L157[19:30:10] <Flamei​ngsoul> especially when they get stale
L158[19:30:28] <Forec​aster> how rude
L159[20:35:15] <Flamei​ngsoul> you rather me send glitter?
L160[21:10:36] <Forec​aster> Pretty sure that's against the Geneva convention
L161[21:14:57] <Li​ly> That's what the G stands for
L162[21:15:34] <Li​ly> Glitter Edon't Ncommit Ewar Vcrimes Athanks
L163[21:18:23] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> Pretty sure that's against the Geneva convention
L164[21:18:23] <Flamei​ngsoul> that only applies durring war time :) last i checked i have not declared war nor can it be classified as such due to me being an individual
L165[21:18:36] <Flamei​ngsoul> so, marshmellows or glitter
L166[21:33:54] <Spider ​EveryOS> %tonkout
L167[21:33:54] <MichiBot> Yippee! Spider ​EveryOS! You beat your own previous record of 3 hours, 17 minutes and 54 seconds (By 36 minutes and 27 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L168[21:33:55] <MichiBot> Spider ​EveryOS has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.003 tonk points! plus 0.004 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 2.83424971, Position #2 Need 0.01938938 more points to pass Forec​aster!
L169[21:50:50] <Flamei​ngsoul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmEJTVOvNp4
L170[21:52:20] <Flamei​ngsoul> fuck
L171[21:52:25] <Flamei​ngsoul> why am in in oc?
L172[21:52:28] <Flamei​ngsoul> i hit my alt?
L173[21:52:37] <Flamei​ngsoul> nah discord buggin
L174[22:15:11] <Amanda> %choose laptopnaptime or stare at editor like it stole your scritchies
L175[22:15:11] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: If I've learned anything in life it's that you always pick "stare at editor like it stole your scritchies"
L176[22:19:24] * Amanda stares at the terminal some more, her heckles raised
L177[22:24:44] * Amanda flops down atop Elfi, deciding the terminal window can't steal her scritchies if she lets her laptop nap
L178[22:25:46] * stephan48 hands Amanda the never sleeping laptop which stays hot while it sleeps
L179[22:29:45] <Amanda> Sorry, I only accept payment for cosmic disasters in scritchies, not cursed itema
L180[22:45:15] <stephan48> not heat they give off when sleeping on its keyboard?
L181[23:01:25] <Amanda> Nah, it'll burn out it's battery after I get comfortable
L182[23:25:59] <S​3> =Boo
L183[23:27:26] <S​3> Sometimes I wonder if Amanda plays RPI MUDs considering how much roleplay that goes on in here LOL
L184[23:28:07] <Amanda> RPI?
L185[23:28:17] <Amanda> And I used to play a mud, wonder if it's still around
L186[23:28:57] <Amanda> Honestly, it's a MUD that helped me hatch
L187[23:29:02] <S​3> Role PPlaying Intensive
L188[23:29:18] <Amanda> The MUD had spaghetti that flipped your character's gender marker
L189[23:29:21] <S​3> Basically, focused more on roleplaying instead of combat and crap
L190[23:29:36] <S​3> Why does that sound familiar.
L191[23:30:00] <S​3> I feel like somebody has said something like this before.
L192[23:30:35] <S​3> I never stopped playing MUDs. There's just too much imagination to stop.
L193[23:31:04] <S​3> I wish there were more great RPI MUDs out there, but there are only a few left and some of them are practically dead.
L194[23:31:23] <S​3> * I am aware of and some of them are practically dead.
L195[23:31:25] <Amanda> I started making my own mud, with xml, and lua scripting
L196[23:31:34] <S​3> Lua is a great language to do it.
L197[23:31:43] <S​3> I have been writing one in Elixir for years off and on.
L198[23:31:56] <S​3> Ported its concepts from Perl
L199[23:32:16] <Amanda> The mud itself was written in c++
L200[23:32:39] <S​3> That's better than LP style
L201[23:32:49] <S​3> I am so sick and tired of LPC
L202[23:32:58] <Amanda> But lua could do a lot of things, including hijacking the connection
L203[23:33:08] <S​3> Hahahaha
L204[23:34:02] <Amanda> I made a mail item using that. Or maybe it was "pen and paper" but it hijacked the connection then prompted for a title, then a body for a message
L205[23:34:41] <Amanda> I also made a bulleten board item that functioned as a shitty bbs
L206[23:35:04] <Amanda> Had it placed in one of the lobby rooms
L207[23:37:37] <Amanda> One fun thing with my mud engine, every item can have an inventory. If it's tagged as a container stuff like take/put knew to interact with that
L208[23:38:24] <S​3> That is super cool.
L209[23:39:01] <S​3> I am using ECS in mine, so you can "make" anything an inventory if you wanted. The first attempt at this I fucked up and my friend "put me in their inventory"
L210[23:39:07] <S​3> "get <playername"
L211[23:39:09] <S​3> Oops.
L212[23:39:25] <S​3> Of course, there was no way to exit.
L213[23:39:25] <Amanda> And the lua API for inventories was the same for players, rooms, and items
L214[23:39:43] <S​3> I see
L215[23:39:55] <Amanda> All of them just push a lua "class" when you get the inventory key from them
L216[23:40:20] <S​3> That makes sense
L217[23:41:39] <Amanda> Players act like Connection-controlled mobiles though, so no putting people in inventories
L218[23:42:45] <Amanda> Also lua scripts were separate from their objects, and could be attached to items, rooms, players and mobiles
L219[23:43:18] <Amanda> My "mobile wandering" was just a lua script that you'd attach to the mobile with the mobile's xml
L220[23:43:58] <S​3> That was actually a big push concept of mine to stray away from LP MUD concepts
L221[23:44:10] <S​3> "No mixing code and data"
L222[23:45:00] <S​3> All behavior and everything should be 100% separated, no hardcoded weirdness sitting around, no typing in NPC speech into variables in the source code that handles NPC logic... etc.
L223[23:45:22] <S​3> At least that was a highly important concept for mine.
L224[23:45:25] <Amanda> You could tag pretty much everything too, so both exits and rooms can be tagged as "no-wander" and the mobile wander script would reroll it's rng if it found that tag on what it was going to wander to
L225[23:45:48] <S​3> Interesting
L226[23:46:06] <Amanda> Had to do that after like a half dozen hover combat roombas ended up in recall's elevator
L227[23:46:19] <S​3> LOL
L228[23:46:38] <Amanda> ( which is a room with no exits and a script attached to "travel" to different floors )
L229[23:47:17] <S​3> I wonder how I would handle an elevator in my design
L230[23:47:45] <Amanda> You'd enter the elevator, type "push garage" it'd send a ding, wait a couple seconds, the. Move your player to the room it's xmldata said was the garage
L231[23:47:49] <S​3> I would probably have to make a custom exit role, which is basically a collection of components, particularly in this case for providing room exits.
L232[23:48:28] <Amanda> Lua scripts can just set a mobile, and this a player's location with an attribute
L233[23:49:13] <Amanda> The ua scripts are for the gms and world builders
L234[23:50:45] <S​3> I created the role system in order to alleviate builders from having to code anything
L235[23:51:08] <Amanda> I think I ended up designina a lot of the mud's stuff with ECS designs without even knowing what ECS was
L236[23:51:16] <S​3> You can take an empty object, or a base object, provide aa bunch of roles which you pass options to, and they generate a collection of components that form that object.
L237[23:51:47] <Amanda> Just the engine was mostly providing the components and entities
L238[23:51:59] <S​3> I once wanted to use Lua for the scripting side. I just wasn't quite sure
L239[23:52:34] <S​3> I think Lua is definitely one of the safest embeddable languages I could use. I might end up using it for in game player based logic rather than programmers
L240[23:52:47] <S​3> For example, if you had like a computer / some sort of automatable object thing
L241[23:54:43] <Amanda> Oops.
L242[23:54:51] <Amanda> Last commit is 5years ago
L243[23:55:05] <Amanda> Guess I lost a lot of the fuckery I started doing with pseudo C++ "reflection"
L244[23:55:27] <Amanda> Anyway: https://gitlab.darkdna.net/amanda/rhinomud
L245[23:56:10] <Amanda> Here's the elevator script: https://gitlab.darkdna.net/amanda/rhinomud/-/blob/master/data/regions/recall/scripts/elevator.lua?ref_type=heads
L246[23:56:36] <S​3> Is XML how you are serializing your objects?
L247[23:56:49] <S​3> Or perhaps, building their skeletons
L248[23:56:55] <S​3> For lack of a better word
L249[23:57:59] <Amanda> room.data would be loaded from this: https://gitlab.darkdna.net/amanda/rhinomud/-/blob/master/data/regions/recall/rooms/elevator.xml?ref_type=heads#L10
L250[23:58:38] <S​3> Ah I see. It's definitely a similar idea at least.
L251[23:59:14] <S​3> I ended up using YAML to do some of these things, not becauuse I particularly like YAML but because it was just human readable and I figure it would be super easy to serialize just like if I went with XML
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