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L1[00:30:22] <Amanda> Oops. No wonder science wasn't sciencing
L2[00:31:10] <Amanda> Turns out the science packs need the copper, not the cogs
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L4[02:13:18] * Amanda curls up atop Elfi, meows briefly about her factory and how she's finally getting factorio achievements, since by the time those were added she long since only played modded
L5[02:13:56] <Amanda> Night girls
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L7[04:47:19] <Li​ly> This is perhaps a strange question, but does anyone know of a PCI (not PCIe!) to USB adapter? Technically, I just need a composite video -> USB adapter; but a cursory google suggests any reasonably priced device only really works on Windows, and I'd rather not take an $80 gamble.
L8[04:48:02] <Li​ly> I do actually have a PCI tuner card, incidentally; which is why I ask :P
L9[04:48:52] <Izzy> not off the top of my head, but you can likely take a look at ebay, see which chipsets are common, and check if they have decent linux support
L10[04:50:41] <Li​ly> Yeah, I found https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/256475025209?chn=ps&_ul=AU for about ten bucks, but I don't have the faintest clue how that one works; it just looks like a regular cable
L11[04:55:32] <Forec​aster> %tonkout
L12[04:55:34] <MichiBot> Yikes! Forec​aster! You beat Va​ur's previous record of 5 hours, 36 minutes and 32 seconds (By 6 hours, 34 minutes and 13 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L13[04:55:35] <MichiBot> Forec​aster has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.012 tonk points! plus 0.011 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 2.41972426. Position #3 Need 0.00308 more points to pass Va​ur!
L14[04:59:17] <Izzy> oh I meant a USB PCI card
L15[04:59:28] <Izzy> no idea what there is for composite capture sorry
L16[04:59:44] <Izzy> closest I get is looking into HDMI capture
L17[05:01:18] <Corded> > <Iz​zy> oh I meant a USB PCI card
L18[05:01:18] <Li​ly> ah okay, yeah that's probably a better idea
L19[05:03:38] <Li​ly> It might be easier to go composite -> HDMI -> USB
L20[05:06:14] <Izzy> speaking of, it seems likely that the cheap $15 USB HDMI capture things can only do 480p, 720p, and 1080p, all at 30 FPS
L21[05:06:16] <Izzy> no wiggle room
L22[05:06:25] <Izzy> no 1920x1200@25
L23[05:06:33] <Izzy> ugh
L24[05:06:57] <Li​ly> Oh? You know of where I could get one of those?
L25[05:09:11] <Li​ly> 480p@30 is fine for my use case, actually
L26[05:09:20] <Izzy> ebay, look up "hdmi capture", sort by lowest price, look for one with a few hundred sold
L27[05:10:03] <Li​ly> thanks, will do
L28[05:13:25] <Izzy> if I spend another $5 I can get one that claims to do 4K
L29[05:13:40] <Izzy> but will that just mean I have to "capture" at 4K30 then crop and scale down?
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L32[06:41:36] <Na​dja> Izzy: there's a good chance it will just not work if your screen uses CEA for configuration
L33[06:42:40] <Izzy> well, the really cheap ones don't have passthrough, so I'd need a splitter if I wanted to record a screen
L34[06:42:51] <Izzy> though really I guess I could just use the capture as a display
L35[07:14:10] <Corded> > <Ama​ndaC> Except for a 12-year old who thinks they're edgy
L36[07:14:11] <ff​_66> Hey ! I'm 14 !!!
L37[07:14:58] <Li​ly> Same difference
L38[07:15:01] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> ff is truly random
L39[07:15:01] <ff​_66> One of my friends has even more randomness in his life
L40[07:16:36] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Same difference
L41[07:16:36] <Li​ly> (then again, that's just how people around that age are)
L42[07:16:46] <Li​ly> On a side note, I very nearly said "young folk".
L43[07:16:50] <Li​ly> I'm *19.*
L44[07:16:51] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> My perfectly logical conclusion is that ff is actually a la…
L45[07:16:51] <ff​_66> I'm not working at Cloudflare
L46[07:17:46] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> (then again, that's just how people around that age are)
L47[07:17:46] <ff​_66> Except in my country, if you are above 13, you can go to jail
L48[07:17:56] <Li​ly> And that country would be...?
L49[07:18:00] <Li​ly> I think it was France or something
L50[07:18:03] <ff​_66> France
L51[07:18:21] <Corded> > <ff​_66> I'm not working at Cloudflare
L52[07:18:21] <Li​ly> Honestly I'm not so sure "I work at Cloudflare" carries as much weight as it did a few years ago
L53[07:18:25] <ff​_66> Go and find me
L54[07:18:38] <Corded> > <ff​_66> Go and find me
L55[07:18:39] <Li​ly> No, thanks
L56[07:19:08] <Li​ly> I'm not about to ask my girlfriend to put up flyers and ask around for a mysterious teenager
L57[07:19:16] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Honestly I'm not so sure "I work at Cloudflare" carries as …
L58[07:19:17] <ff​_66> I was referring to the lava lamps used to secure the network
L59[07:19:27] <Li​ly> I'm aware :P
L60[07:19:47] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> I'm not about to ask my girlfriend to put up flyers and ask…
L61[07:19:47] <Li​ly> And that's assuming you even live near Paris, which has about a third of the population of my entire country.
L62[07:20:11] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> And that's assuming you even live near Paris, which has abo…
L63[07:20:11] <ff​_66> You're already wrong
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L65[07:20:35] <Li​ly> ...Do people... actually search these things...? https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1729581635010.png
L66[07:21:14] <Na​dja> Yes
L67[07:21:39] <ff​_66> It might be either strangers or 5 year old that know nothing about geography
L68[07:22:20] <Li​ly> Well, given I don't know any five year olds - certainly none that don't know where Paris is - it's all strangers.
L69[07:22:46] <Li​ly> And I don't particularly intend to know any five year olds either...
L70[07:22:46] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> ...Do people... actually search these things...?
L71[07:22:47] <Na​dja> To give a parallel: can you tell me without googling which country Windhoek is in? 🤷‍♀️
L72[07:23:02] <Corded> > <na​dja> To give a parallel: can you tell me without googling which …
L73[07:23:03] <ff​_66> I'll bing that
L74[07:23:27] <Corded> > <na​dja> To give a parallel: can you tell me without googling which …
L75[07:23:27] <Li​ly> I'm gonna go out on a limb here based purely on the name and say... maybe Germany, Sweden, that sort of language-area?
L76[07:23:48] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> I'm gonna go out on a limb here based purely on the name an…
L77[07:23:48] <Na​dja> Namibia so … close but really really not.
L78[07:23:49] <Li​ly> There's probably a better word for that.
L79[07:24:01] <Li​ly> Huh.
L80[07:24:12] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> There's probably a better word for that.
L81[07:24:13] <ff​_66> Europe
L82[07:24:56] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Huh.
L83[07:24:56] <Na​dja> And chances are you can't even point to Namibia in a map if I gave you one, so yeah. Geography is hard and most people just now their cultural immediate surroundings.
L84[07:25:31] <Corded> > <na​dja> And chances are you can't even point to Namibia in a map if…
L85[07:25:31] <ff​_66> Where were the olympic game this year ?
L86[07:25:42] <Li​ly> OK, fair point; however to be fair I would imagine Paris to be more known then than the capitial of Namibia, a country which I admit I did not know existed until now.
L87[07:26:11] <Li​ly> But yeah, fair point lol
L88[07:26:23] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> OK, fair point; however to be fair I would imagine Paris to…
L89[07:26:23] <Na​dja> Because France is culturally very close to you.
L90[07:26:28] <Corded> > <na​dja> And chances are you can't even point to Namibia in a map if…
L91[07:26:29] <Liizzi​i-chan> Bold of you to assume I know my immediate surroundings
L92[07:26:29] <Li​ly> It... It is?
L93[07:26:40] <Li​ly> (What she said)
L94[07:27:36] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> It... It is?
L95[07:27:36] <Na​dja> you're western, yes. So Western Europe, North America and Southern Oceania are culturally close to you.
L96[07:27:39] <Li​ly> To be fair, yes France *is* particularly relevant to me... but only because my girlfriend is from there :P
L97[07:28:02] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> To be fair, yes France *is* particularly relevant to me...…
L98[07:28:02] <Na​dja> okay, where is Cayenne?
L99[07:28:17] <Li​ly> That's a pepper isn't it
L100[07:28:17] <Liizzi​i-chan> Oui oui jammapel baguette
L101[07:28:28] <Izzy> no it's a porsche
L102[07:28:42] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> That's a pepper isn't it
L103[07:28:42] <Na​dja> It's a city
L104[07:29:00] <Izzy> the ugliest porsche, even
L105[07:29:12] <Li​ly> I was quite literally about to say "Izzy: Is it any good?".
L106[07:29:20] <Corded> > <Lii​zzii> Oui oui jammapel baguette
L107[07:29:20] <ff​_66> Non arrêtez ca j'en peux plus de à quel point vous vous moquez de mon langage
L108[07:29:42] <Li​ly> And by quite literally I mean my finger was right on Enter. Apparently you're a regular Joseph Joestar.
L109[07:29:42] <Izzy> Lily: Well, imagine: You buy a porsche. You're excited. You go outside to look at it and ... it's an SUV.
L110[07:29:54] <Li​ly> ...Porsche? SUV??
L111[07:30:02] <Li​ly> Somehow I feel like those two don't particularly mix
L112[07:30:06] <Izzy> I'll let you square that circle.
L113[07:30:24] <Li​ly> Isn't Porsche known more for sports cars that cost a few kidneys?
L114[07:30:30] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Somehow I feel like those two don't particularly mix
L115[07:30:30] <ff​_66> Ferrari also tried something like that
L116[07:30:56] <Izzy> They are! The 911 is a classic. But I guess everyone wants to get into the pedestrian destroyer game.
L117[07:30:58] <Li​ly> To be fair, my only actual "experience" with Porsche's existance is in Wangan Midnight, so uh
L118[07:31:11] <Li​ly> * existence is in Wangan Midnight, so uh
L119[07:31:51] <Izzy> (My personal favourite is the goofy 944. Popup headlights, funny wheels, and a spoiler that looks just a little too big.)
L120[07:31:58] <Corded> > <ff​_66> Non arrêtez ca j'en peux plus de à quel point vous vous moq…
L121[07:31:58] <Na​dja> Et nous détestons que vous soyez ennuyeux, alors arrêtez!
L122[07:32:09] <Corded> > <ff​_66> Non arrêtez ca j'en peux plus de à quel point vous vous moq…
L123[07:32:10] <Liizzi​i-chan> https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616
L124[07:32:11] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> To be fair, my only actual "experience" with Porsche's exis…
L125[07:32:11] <Li​ly> In which the 911 is referred to as a 991, which may actually just be the alternate name for it.
L126[07:32:58] <Izzy> tangentially, the 944 tends to be relatively cheap because they're a pain in the ass to maintain
L127[07:33:21] <Corded> > <na​dja> Et nous détestons que vous soyez ennuyeux, alors arrêtez!
L128[07:33:21] <ff​_66> Eh bien, bel effort ! Mais je possède juste d'autre centres d'intérêts que vous, voila tout.
L129[07:33:48] <Izzy> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/1985_Porsche_944_%288962747298%29.jpg
L130[07:33:59] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> In which the 911 is referred to as a 991, which may actuall…
L131[07:33:59] <Li​ly> Yeah, the WM wiki calls it "Porsche 911 Turbo S (991)"
L132[07:34:02] <Li​ly> That car looks like it's in pain
L133[07:34:15] <ff​_66> Yeah it looks wrong
L134[07:34:22] <Li​ly> Or constipated!
L135[07:34:40] <Izzy> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/1984_Porsche_944_coupe_%2819473129259%29.jpg
L136[07:34:45] <Izzy> it's extremely 80s and I love it
L137[07:34:56] <Izzy> I know intellectually that an early MX-5 would be much less of a pain but I want one.
L138[07:35:02] <Li​ly> Speaking of 80s, I should get new batteries for my Olivetti M10 sometime soon..
L139[07:35:08] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Or constipated!
L140[07:35:08] <ff​_66> Cars of this era were all polluting the air, this one tried to stop
L141[07:35:30] <Li​ly> Wow, so "constipated" is more accurate than I thought.
L142[07:35:38] <Li​ly> On a side note why can my brain not spell that first try
L143[07:35:52] <Izzy> [citation needed]
L144[07:36:11] <Li​ly> It's like the mahajapit, but slightly different
L145[07:36:59] <Izzy> do you guys have a weird car you really want but will never have? because mine is the Holden-branded Isuzu Piazza https://uranus.shadowkat.net/tmp/ffd1.jpg
L146[07:37:07] <Corded> > <ff​_66> Eh bien, bel effort ! Mais je possède juste d'autre centres…
L147[07:37:07] <Na​dja> Il est triste que "ne pas être ennuyeux" et "apprendre des choses sur le monde" ne soient pas vos "centres d'intérêt."
L148[07:37:14] <Li​ly> Why are the wheels waffle
L149[07:37:34] <Izzy> well you see, they wanted to do a functional waffle-iron hotweels colab
L150[07:38:36] <Li​ly> If waffle irons are so good, why are there no waffle steels
L151[07:38:45] <Corded> > <na​dja> Il est triste que "ne pas être ennuyeux" et "apprendre des …
L152[07:38:45] <ff​_66> Cette deuxième chose est apprise depuis la maternelle, vous croyez que c'est comment que je suis le meilleur de ma classe en informatique ?
L153[07:39:32] <Li​ly> Nadja: You know French?
L154[07:39:38] <Na​dja> Wow ff sure is a different person if you yell at him in french. Still annoying, but *different* :D
L155[07:39:55] <Izzy> Different? :o
L156[07:40:00] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Nadja: You know French?
L157[07:40:00] <Na​dja> … uh *looks up* … no?
L158[07:40:33] <Li​ly> I've been considering learning it tbh, if only to impress my gf lol
L159[07:40:55] <Corded> > <na​dja> … uh *looks up* … no?
L160[07:40:56] <ff​_66> I saw it with the "il est triste"
L161[07:40:56] <ff​_66> A french would say "c'est triste"
L162[07:41:11] <Corded> > <ff​_66> I saw it with the "il est triste"
L163[07:41:12] <Corded> A french would say "c'est…
L164[07:41:12] <Na​dja> Come back when you speak 8 languages kid
L165[07:41:25] <Li​ly> That's impressive
L166[07:42:33] <Li​ly> What does the ff stand for, anyway?
L167[07:42:38] <Corded> > <na​dja> Come back when you speak 8 languages kid
L168[07:42:38] <ff​_66> I'm at my 3rd language (4 if you count latin)
L169[07:42:40] <Li​ly> French Fry? Fedgy Fteenager?
L170[07:42:59] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> What does the ff stand for, anyway?
L171[07:42:59] <ff​_66> Nothing
L172[07:42:59] <ff​_66> Maybe i thought of 255 in hex
L173[07:43:15] <ff​_66> Same for 66
L174[07:43:26] <Li​ly> For your considering, according to KDE, `0xff_66` is `16830'_'`
L175[07:43:33] <Li​ly> It makes a face at you, apparently.
L176[07:43:35] <Corded> > <ff​_66> I'm at my 3rd language (4 if you count latin)
L177[07:43:35] <Na​dja> I do, so only 4 more to go! Pick one that isn't Romanesque while you're at it.
L178[07:43:53] <Izzy> learn toki pona for a laugh
L179[07:44:10] <Na​dja> *real* languages please.
L180[07:44:16] <Izzy> I did say "for a laugh"
L181[07:44:27] <Corded> > <na​dja> I do, so only 4 more to go! Pick one that isn't Romanesque …
L182[07:44:27] <ff​_66> I don't need more for my life in France
L183[07:44:27] <Li​ly> If I had a nickel for every time I've seen toki pona mentioned in wholly unrelated Minecraft nerdmod spaces, I'd have two nickels.
L184[07:45:00] <Corded> > <ff​_66> I don't need more for my life in France
L185[07:45:00] <Na​dja> As I said.
L186[07:45:08] <Li​ly> Technically three, actually! Alfheim (1.7.10) actually USES it, so I don't know if that counts..
L187[07:45:19] <Li​ly> (mana infuser incantations are toki)
L188[07:45:44] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> If I had a nickel for every time I've seen toki pona mentio…
L189[07:45:45] <Na​dja> It's a peak nerd language.
L190[07:45:54] <Li​ly> That's ... fair.
L191[07:46:01] <Na​dja> Which is basically why I will never voluntarily learn it :P
L192[07:46:03] <Li​ly> (For anyone curious, the other mod was Hexcasting.)
L193[07:46:12] <ff​_66> Sometimes i just want to speak in the voice channel...
L194[07:46:21] <Li​ly> Who's stopping you*?
L195[07:46:26] <Li​ly> *Minus a lack of other speakers
L196[07:46:50] <ff​_66> Nothing
L197[07:49:17] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> *Minus a lack of other speakers
L198[07:49:18] <ff​_66> If you come, you'll get the proof that i'm 14
L199[07:49:26] <Izzy> nobody cares
L200[07:49:30] <Li​ly> No thanks, I-
L201[07:49:32] <Li​ly> Yeah, what she said
L202[07:49:48] <Izzy> actually, maybe a little harsh
L203[07:49:56] <Izzy> you seem to care about that the most of anyone here
L204[07:50:00] <Izzy> :)
L205[07:50:01] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> No thanks, I-
L206[07:50:01] <Li​ly> -have all the proof I need anyway
L207[07:50:10] <Corded> > <Iz​zy> you seem to care about that the most of anyone here
L208[07:50:11] <Li​ly> Who, me? Or FF
L209[07:50:15] <Izzy> FF
L210[07:50:20] <Li​ly> Ah
L211[07:50:24] <Izzy> FF stands for front engine, front wheel drive
L212[07:50:52] <Izzy> 86 refers to the AE86, which was a FR, ergo ff_86 comes from an alternate reality where the AE86 was a FF
L213[07:50:59] <Li​ly> Also I've probably asked this already (sorry :3) but it is she, right
L214[07:51:13] <Izzy> yeees
L215[07:51:37] <Corded> > <Iz​zy> 86 refers to the AE86, which was a FR, ergo ff_86 comes fro…
L216[07:51:37] <ff​_66> Stop theorizing about my nickname
L217[07:51:39] <Izzy> if I had a nickel for every boy in #oc that turned out to be a girl I would have to learn the value of a nickel so I could spend my fat stacks
L218[07:52:28] <Li​ly> Well, with an environment like this, there's enough eggs to make a very impressive omelet.
L219[07:52:55] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Well, with an environment like this, there's enough eggs to…
L220[07:52:55] <ff​_66> Don't you also need potatoes ?
L221[07:53:03] <Li​ly> For... For an omelet...?
L222[07:53:31] <ff​_66> Thats the definition of an omelet in our country
L223[07:53:50] <ff​_66> Or at least our family
L224[07:54:06] <Izzy> located entirely within your kitchen
L225[07:54:14] <Li​ly> May I see it?
L226[07:54:31] <ff​_66> You mix eggs with potatoes and you get an omelette
L227[07:54:35] <Corded> > <ff​_66> If you come, you'll get the proof that i'm 14
L228[07:54:35] <Na​dja> *please* stop offering that to people.
L229[07:55:13] <Corded> > <na​dja> *please* stop offering that to people.
L230[07:55:13] <ff​_66> No i wont
L231[07:55:48] <Na​dja> Then at least wait until you're 18 before you fuck yourself over
L232[07:55:55] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Well, with an environment like this, there's enough eggs to…
L233[07:55:56] <Li​ly> What is it with technerds and being trans, anyway?
L234[07:56:16] <Izzy> Lily: I'm afraid you may not.
L235[07:56:26] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> What is it with technerds and being trans, anyway?
L236[07:56:26] <Na​dja> Only boys allowed in that club.
L237[07:56:27] <Corded> > <na​dja> Then at least wait until you're 18 before you fuck yourself…
L238[07:56:27] <ff​_66> If i'm 18 i won't need to prove that i'm above 5
L239[07:57:09] <Li​ly> I almost wonder if there's statistics on those types of things...
L240[07:57:27] <Li​ly> They're putting Kotlin in the water to turn the modders woke, clearly
L241[07:57:38] <Izzy> :blobcatsip:
L242[07:59:26] <Izzy> oi Lily are you on fedi?
L243[08:03:08] <Li​ly> No, but I probably should be tbh
L244[08:04:20] <Izzy> lmk if that becomes an active "should" I can probably suggest some places
L245[08:06:19] <Li​ly> Eh, to hell with it. Where do you suggest?
L246[08:07:07] <Izzy> let's take a look
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L248[08:08:39] <Corded> > <Iz​zy> if I had a nickel for every boy in #oc that turned out to b…
L249[08:08:40] <Liizzi​i-chan> That's crazy uwu
L250[08:09:16] <lily> :3
L251[08:09:45] <Izzy> just gathering some suggestions
L252[08:10:01] <Izzy> I have my own little island so I have to check whenever I suggest places
L253[08:11:41] <Liizzi​i-chan> Hmm, can't remember my web chat password... Oh well, no irc for me on mobile
L254[08:15:42] <ff​_66> you know that thanks to IRC i found where Lily lives ?
L255[08:15:54] <lily> Yeah, somewhere in NZ.
L256[08:16:12] <ff​_66> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1729584972030.png
L257[08:16:19] <ff​_66> everyone can find that
L258[08:16:24] <lily> On a fourth floor apartment. Requiring multiple keyfob swipes to get in.
L259[08:16:27] <lily> >Canterbury
L260[08:16:30] <lily> Wrong island, mate
L261[08:16:35] <Izzy> you know that geoip is like, generally wildly inaccurate, right?
L262[08:16:49] <lily> "Wildly" is an understatement. Canterbury is the SOUTH island...
L263[08:16:50] <ff​_66> at least it's the good country
L264[08:16:51] <Izzy> it usually gets the right country, but only because IPs are mostly allocated per-country
L265[08:17:36] <Corded> > <li​ly> "Wildly" is an understatement. Canterbury is the SOUTH isla…
L266[08:17:36] <ff​_66> now i have more precision about where you live :)
L267[08:17:59] <ff​_66> already there's muh less to search
L268[08:18:06] <ff​_66> * much less to search
L269[08:18:14] <Corded> > <Iz​zy> you know that geoip is like, generally wildly inaccurate, r…
L270[08:18:14] <Li​ly> I'll say https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1729585093935.png
L271[08:19:38] <Izzy> lily: I'd say check out woem.men or fedi.absturztau.be
L272[08:19:48] <lily> ty, will do
L273[08:19:51] <Na​dja> Really?
L274[08:20:11] <Izzy> ?
L275[08:20:16] <Na​dja> Both of those tend to host … less than stellar people on my timeline.
L276[08:20:54] <Corded> > <Iz​zy> lily: I'd say check out woem.men or fedi.absturztau.be
L277[08:20:54] <Li​ly> I have to wonder if this is a reference... https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1729585254084.png
L278[08:20:56] <Li​ly> ...no, probably not
L279[08:21:09] <Izzy> puniko is cool and Genna is cool but if you have other suggestions shoot
L280[08:21:23] <Izzy> a lot of the instances I would otherwise suggest have straight-up closed registrations
L281[08:22:32] <Izzy> there's bigger places like tech.lgbt too
L282[08:22:37] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> I have to wonder if this is a reference...
L283[08:22:37] <Li​ly> Neuron activate moment, in any case, though
L284[08:23:00] <Izzy> I don't keep on top of the drama so I don't know for which the stars are aligned.
L285[08:24:05] <Na​dja> Izzy: just go on mastodon.social and successively move? If you have to pick a different starter instance, tech.lgbt is generally sane
L286[08:43:43] ⇦ Quits: lily (~Lily@58.84.227.106) (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
L287[08:44:09] ⇨ Joins: lily (~Lily@58.84.227.106)
L288[08:45:27] <lily> huh, konversation colour changes only apply to *new* lines
L289[08:45:52] <Na​dja> Makes sense I guess
L290[08:45:57] <Li​ly> yeah
L291[08:46:12] <Li​ly> just a lil annoying, means I have to restart it if I'm fixing messed-up colours
L292[08:46:28] <Li​ly> (like I was just now :P)
L293[08:46:47] <Na​dja> ~~Now if only you'd be using a chat protocol where restarting your client would just not be a problem~~
L294[10:13:51] <Liizzi​i-chan> @Lily there's lgbt.io, pretty chill instance
L295[10:14:10] <Liizzi​i-chan> though the .io TLD might cease existing at some point...
L296[10:14:58] <Izzy> can we get a shout-out to the british empire for fucking things up by not considering the ramifications of their actions still
L297[10:19:40] <lily> Why would .io stop existing?
L298[10:19:52] <Lizzy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.io
L299[10:20:09] <Lizzy> specifically the "Phasing Out" section, sums it up pretty well
L300[10:20:17] <lily> oh dear.
L301[10:21:04] <Lizzy> think it'll be 5 years or so after any announcement, so there's still time
L302[10:21:32] <Lizzy> there's a tiny chance that it could be kept on, but the IANA doesn't want another repeat of .su
L303[10:21:55] <Izzy> I nearly bought a .su instead of a .net once upon a time
L304[10:22:10] <lily> I mean, wouldn't removing .io cause A Lot Of Problems tm
L305[10:22:16] <lily> Even with a grace period
L306[10:22:40] <Lizzy> yes, but it's a country code TLD, it's just been abused for tech stuff
L307[10:22:48] <lily> Fair
L308[10:22:50] <Lizzy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nXuRVdjPyc
L309[10:23:16] <Izzy> heh, know what the worst thing about youtube doing so much to mess up invidious is?
L310[10:23:24] <Izzy> I can't click on that and sanely get the title and description
L311[10:23:59] <Lizzy> title: When A Top Level Domain Outlives Its Country
L312[10:24:02] <Lizzy> Description: There are a lot of top level domains that are used for purposes outside of what it was a originally made for, country code top level domains are a prime example of this with .ai, .tv, .gg and our topic for today .io, which due to a British treaty may end up being dissolved
L313[10:24:24] <lily> The question is: Will Microsoft/Github end up throwing stupid money at the problem so they can keep github.io?
L314[10:24:55] <lily> Also itch.io
L315[10:25:12] <Na​dja> People. The .su domain is *still* around, thirty years after the fucking *country managing it* was dissolved. Why the fuck are you all worried? o.O
L316[10:25:39] <lily> Maybe I'm reverse-cynical, but I don't think a company as big as Microsoft will cede one of its big domains without a fight
L317[10:26:00] <Izzy> I think that's just normal cynical. Build a brand takes time and money.
L318[10:26:14] <Na​dja> There's is only really *one* TLD that was ever decommissioned: Yugoslavias .yu. And that only happened because the literal servers hosting it were stolen.
L319[10:26:22] <Na​dja> * ccTLD that was ever decommissioned: Yugoslavias .yu. And that only happened because the literal servers hosting it were stolen.
L320[10:26:38] <lily> Izzy: Well, in this case I'd actually be rooting for Microsoft to win. As unfathomably rare as that is.
L321[10:26:55] <Izzy> I have no strong feelings on the matter.
L322[10:29:59] <lily> Also, yeah. Microsoft - and by extension Github - has Stupid Money tm
L323[10:30:18] <lily> I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft could put pressure on the Actual US Government to keep .io
L324[10:30:33] <Izzy> they've done that sort of thing before
L325[10:31:03] <lily> what, pressure the govt?
L326[10:31:25] <lily> I wouldn't doubt that they have govt contracts, being one of the biggest tech companies
L327[10:31:41] <Izzy> they leaned on the US government to pressure the Japanese government to kill the TRON project
L328[10:32:23] <lily> The... what?
L329[10:32:31] <lily> The only TRON I know is the movie
L330[10:32:43] <Izzy> BBBBBhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRON_project
L331[10:32:44] <Lizzy> yeah, just depends on how the IANA handles stuff. if they make an exception for X money, then that sets a precident for future stuff. the .su domain is a prime example of why the IANA doesn't want that sort of thing to happen again
L332[10:32:45] <Izzy> oop
L333[10:32:47] <Izzy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRON_project
L334[10:33:37] <Izzy> think japanese POSIX, with the support of most of the japanese electronics companies
L335[10:33:57] <lily> Ah
L336[10:34:31] <nadja> Lizzy: the IANA is highly conservative, and just sunsetting a working system in use without a very long grace period is just not their style. Whatever happens, it'll be decades before it does.
L337[10:34:59] <lily> Lizzy: I mean, in Github/Microsoft's case (github.io), it might not be about money; Microsoft might just straight up pressure the US govt into telling IANA "You have to keep this around"
L338[10:40:48] <nadja> Same for ICANN too, who's *actual* job this whole thing is now ^^
L339[10:43:39] <lily> And I absolutely would NOT put it past MS /or/ the govt to do that
L340[10:49:55] ⇦ Quits: lily (~Lily@58.84.227.106) (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
L341[10:54:04] <stephanj> in the end it will be a bribe issue
L342[10:56:26] <stephanj> whats the alternative? breaking many many parts of the internet by removing domain names associated with f.e. k8s, github, other big technologies? it will be a clout thing. does ICANN really be the bad entity in the eyes of developers? in the end the question is if they can endure saying no to keeping .io
L343[10:56:46] <stephanj> principles and rules are nice until they are actively challenged
L344[10:57:09] <stephanj> really want to.be*
L345[15:23:34] <Elfi> Is there no precedent for transferring scope of a domain?
L346[15:49:35] <Va​ur> %tonk
L347[15:49:36] <MichiBot> Wow! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of <0 (By 10 hours, 54 minutes and 2 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L348[15:49:37] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 10 hours, 54 minutes and 2 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.0109 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.77254993 more points to pass Spider ​EveryOS!
L349[19:08:15] <Amanda> Quiet day today
L350[19:08:23] <Amanda> %splash @Forecaster with mutable orange potion
L351[19:08:24] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable orange potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster. @Forecaster turns into a violium unicorn until they have a nap.
L352[19:09:00] <Amanda> dangit
L353[19:09:53] * Amanda chlorphorms @Forecaster
L354[19:12:12] <Forec​aster> D:
L355[19:22:11] <Amanda> Dangit, This isn't working
L356[19:25:49] <ff​_66> Hrm... i can't insert a wired speaker into my phone... WHY
L357[19:25:50] <ff​_66> (Side note : i've cleared the port and checked that the pins weren't preventing the Jack from being inserted all the way into the port)
L358[19:29:22] <stephanj> trrs vs the 3 contact one?
L359[19:29:29] <stephanj> should still be the same sized plug through
L360[19:41:08] <Amanda> Hey Lizzy want to join me to clear out some biter nests?
L361[19:44:00] <Amanda> I need to wait for science, but the pollution's heading twoards a couple of nests I can't clear myself. Or at least, failed at a couple times in aborted timelines
L362[19:47:36] <Spider ​EveryOS> %sip
L363[19:47:36] <MichiBot> You drink a boiling pear potion (New!). Spider EveryOS: Nothing seemed to happen...
L364[19:57:21] <Lizzy> Amanda, sure, getting a little burnt out playing by myself and kinda forgetting how to do early game factorio
L365[19:58:25] <Amanda> wrong button
L366[19:58:32] <Amanda> Hwo the hell do I invite you to joni >
L367[19:58:32] <Liizzi​i-chan> was wondering that
L368[19:58:45] <Amanda> And steam just crashed on my deck. :D
L369[19:58:45] <Liizzi​i-chan> think you have to start it as multiplayer
L370[19:58:50] <Amanda> ah
L371[19:58:52] <Lizzy> ooof
L372[19:59:50] <Lizzy> hmm, loading up konversation just now (so i don't need firefox for IRC) made me realise i still wanna code my own IRC bouncer at some point
L373[20:00:05] <Amanda> with blackjack, and scritchies?
L374[20:00:12] <Lizzy> probably
L375[20:00:36] <Lizzy> to be fair... i could just update znc and fix it so that it auto-renews the certs, but bleh
L376[20:01:30] <Lizzy> low-key want to make something that can accept proxy protocol v2 so i can have stuff like nginx/haproxy handle being exposed to the internet and stuff
L377[20:01:55] <Lizzy> speaking of scritches, gonna go feed my cat brb
L378[20:02:00] <Amanda> there we go
L379[20:13:46] <Forec​aster> %sip
L380[20:13:47] <MichiBot> You drink a sweet green potion (New!). Oh no, Forecaster got a health potion, there's probably a boss fight coming!
L381[20:20:52] <Forec​aster> This is just green tea!
L382[21:00:33] <Va​ur> %sip
L383[21:00:35] <MichiBot> You drink a redacted chocolate potion (New!). A swinging blade comes flying towards Vaur from nowhere! They fail to evade it with a 5 vs DC 16 and takes 1d​8 => 3 damage.
L384[21:10:16] <Corded> > <step​hanj> trrs vs the 3 contact one?
L385[21:10:16] <ff​_66> 4 contacts on the speaker cable
L386[21:16:51] <ff​_66> It can be plugged in everything except my phone, and i tried other cables with more or less pins
L387[21:17:55] <Li​ly> Oh joy, my phone's charging port is broken
L388[21:24:39] <Izzy> today I will try opnsense
L389[21:24:46] <Izzy> <-- clueless
L390[21:33:06] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L391[21:33:07] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Forecaster, you were not able to beat Vaur's record of 10 hours, 54 minutes and 2 seconds this time. 5 hours, 43 minutes and 30 seconds were wasted! Missed by 5 hours, 10 minutes and 31 seconds!
L392[21:36:06] <Va​ur> %sip
L393[21:36:06] <MichiBot> You drink an endless aluminium potion (New!). Vaur feels the need to use "%shell".
L394[21:36:14] <Corded> > <Mich​iBot> I'm sorry Forecaster, you were not able to beat Vaur's reco…
L395[21:36:14] <Va​ur> tactical tonk ?
L396[23:14:05] ⇦ Quits: Vexatos (~Vexatos@p200300EaEf055E00023d671d56A5CeD6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: Insert quantum chemistry joke here)
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