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L1[00:01:39] <Amanda> https://matrix.camnet.site/_matrix/media/v3/download/camnet.site/QsqiWoIAdPgAYTRSotUOwUEY/screenshot.jpeg
L2[00:02:03] <Amanda> I built the station to be right-handed, my tracks are left-handed
L3[00:02:06] <Amanda> Oops
L4[00:13:42] <Jas​onS> gotta be careful about chirality
L5[00:40:50] <Izzy> thinkin about
L6[00:40:57] <Izzy> an A285 to replace my X220
L7[01:09:06] <Amanda> There, all the temporary tracks replaced with dual-line rails, and as a result now the new power plant is plugged in again. Also the sky-highway is gone and replaced with surface-level rails
L8[01:10:15] <Amanda> Now I just need to put down signals, and then I can finally start on the massine iron smeltery I'm planning
L9[01:24:07] * Amanda curls up atop nadja, meows about the many ways she can bap planets to make them spin fun
L10[01:24:25] <Amanda> %choose zzzmews or halucinate
L11[01:24:25] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I received a telegram from a long lost relative that only read "zzzmews". Weird.
L12[01:24:42] <Amanda> Probably for the best
L13[01:24:48] <Amanda> Night girls
L14[02:12:01] <Va​ur> %tonk
L15[02:12:01] <MichiBot> Willikers! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 3 hours, 3 minutes and 29 seconds (By 2 hours, 45 minutes and 10 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L16[02:12:02] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 5 hours, 48 minutes and 40 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.011 (0.00275 x 4) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2 => #1. (Overtook Spider EveryOS)
L17[04:11:25] <Spider ​EveryOS> awww
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L19[05:31:32] <Va​ur> %sip
L20[05:31:32] <MichiBot> You drink a prickly avesmingo potion (New!). The next fork Vaur touches tells them it's most deeply guarded secret.
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L25[07:29:20] <Va​ur> %sip
L26[07:29:20] <MichiBot> You drink a searing stainless steel potion (New!). Vaur briefly feel like they have just stepped out of a car.
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L28[07:47:32] <Corded> > <Iz​zy> an A285 to replace my X220
L29[07:47:33] <Li​ly> Izzy: thinkpad models, I assume?
L30[07:50:15] <Li​ly> I used to daily drive an A475 for a few years, they're great imo
L31[07:50:58] <Li​ly> The 285 has soldered memory apparently
L32[07:57:57] <ff​_66> i screwed my ReactOS installation because of AHCI drivers 😭
L33[07:58:50] <ff​_66> i can't install video card drves, sound card drivers but i was able to install AHCI drivers and it screwed up everything
L34[08:29:33] <Forec​aster> %tonkout
L35[08:29:33] <MichiBot> Blast! Forec​aster! You beat Va​ur's previous record of 5 hours, 48 minutes and 40 seconds (By 28 minutes and 51 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L36[08:29:34] <MichiBot> Forec​aster has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.006 tonk points! plus 0.005 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 2.64179. Position #3 Need 0.05235908 more points to pass Spider ​EveryOS!
L37[08:35:47] <Va​ur> %sip
L38[08:35:47] <MichiBot> You drink a boiling avesmingo potion (New!). A bard starts playing a lute behind Vaur until an elephant forgets.
L39[08:49:08] <Forec​aster> %sip
L40[08:49:08] <MichiBot> You drink a spooned diamond potion (New!). Wheels are briefly square.
L41[08:49:17] <Va​ur> %sip
L42[08:49:17] <MichiBot> You drink a smelly cerulium potion (New!). The potion contained a computer virus! Vaur hears a maniacal laugh as their cursor flips upside down!
L43[09:29:25] <Li​ly> <:concern:983953738253365258> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722936564844.png
L44[09:30:01] <lily> (not shown: the other 250 mods in my pack /other/ than falsetweaks and RPLE that optifine may or may not - probably "may not" - be compatible with)
L45[10:29:54] <Forec​aster> I'm amazed OF is even compatible with minecraft
L46[10:31:04] <lily> well, fast math DOES change worldgen lmao
L47[10:31:52] <ff​_66> you can disable it
L48[10:32:31] <Forec​aster> yeah, just disable worldgen, who needs a world anyway!
L49[10:33:15] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> yeah, just disable worldgen, who needs a world anyway!
L50[10:33:16] <ff​_66> no i mean with OF you can disable fast math, i'm not even sure it's enabled by default
L51[10:33:18] <Forec​aster> just play skyblock, but without the block
L52[10:33:29] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> just play skyblock, but without the block
L53[10:33:29] <ff​_66> or play superflat
L54[10:37:33] <Forec​aster> I prefer slow math anyway, I'll take a week to calculate 2 + 3 and like it
L55[10:41:17] <Forec​aster> %choose nugits or kebob or burgs
L56[10:41:17] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: Eeny, meeny, miny, burgs.
L57[10:41:25] <Forec​aster> yeah okay
L58[10:41:57] <lily> Forecaster: What if your Slow Math:tm: result is incorrect? Will you still like it if 2 + 3 = 6?
L59[10:42:19] <lily> Gotta get those inaccuracies in there SOMEWHERE!
L60[10:42:26] <Forec​aster> of course, that just means I get to start over and take another week
L61[10:42:34] <Forec​aster> what's not to like
L62[10:43:27] <lily> Speaking of inaccuracies, I wonder if you could implement something like the pentium FDIV bug, but for IDIV instead and deliberate
L63[10:43:30] <lily> Cursed math
L64[10:43:50] <Na​dja> lily: That just means that the identity element of your addition is -1, no biggie
L65[10:44:48] <Corded> > <li​ly> Speaking of inaccuracies, I wonder if you could implement s…
L66[10:44:49] <ff​_66> thats just transistors that you put at the wrong place
L67[10:45:35] <ff​_66> but if integer division is not working then a lot of applications may break
L68[10:46:01] <lily> That's part of the fun~
L69[10:46:25] <Corded> > <li​ly> That's part of the fun~
L70[10:46:25] <ff​_66> at this point just use the game corruptor for minecraft java
L71[10:46:25] * Amanda stirs awake, looks around
L72[10:46:32] <lily> I think I saw a mod somewhere that swapped sin and cos
L73[10:46:37] <ff​_66> already tested this and results are wild
L74[10:47:05] <lily> Unrelated, I hate how Discord on Linux doesn't autoupdate itself
L75[10:47:12] <Corded> > <li​ly> I think I saw a mod somewhere that swapped sin and cos
L76[10:47:12] <ff​_66> the game corruptor also has a "detonate JVM" mode where it swaps thing like true become false
L77[10:47:26] <lily> Since the only thing that a package update changes is one number in build_info.json
L78[10:47:31] <lily> And the app knows what the version SHOULD be
L79[10:47:39] <lily> So there's no reason it can't change it itself
L80[10:47:40] <lily> %sip
L81[10:47:40] <MichiBot> You drink a rising tomato potion (New!). lily feels slightly slower.
L82[10:47:47] <Corded> > <li​ly> Unrelated, I hate how Discord on Linux doesn't autoupdate i…
L83[10:47:47] <ff​_66> did you use the .deb version ?
L84[10:47:57] <ff​_66> autoupdate on discord works for me
L85[10:47:59] <lily> ...No
L86[10:48:00] <lily> I use Arch
L87[10:48:07] <lily> But also it makes you download the deb anwyay
L88[10:48:11] <lily> s/anwyay/anyway
L89[10:48:11] <MichiBot> <lily> But also it makes you download the deb anyway
L90[10:48:15] <lily> So the point is the same
L91[10:48:20] <lily> It's a 75MB download to change one byte
L92[10:48:25] <lily> Maybe two
L93[10:48:44] <ff​_66> i installed from the ubuntu software app and now its autoupdating fine
L94[10:48:56] <lily> Not that kind of autoupdating
L95[10:49:03] <lily> Auto-updating as in, the app does it itself
L96[10:49:10] <lily> Without your package manager redownloading it
L97[10:49:16] <Corded> > <li​ly> Auto-updating as in, the app does it itself
L98[10:49:16] <ff​_66> it does itself
L99[10:49:32] <lily> Do you have to download a deb or anything when you update?
L100[10:49:40] <ff​_66> i have regularly notifications about closing the app and let the updater do the job
L101[10:49:58] <lily> When it says "Must be your lucky day, there's a new update"?
L102[10:50:01] <ff​_66> and the shop doesn't do anything either
L103[10:50:05] <lily> And it gives you the options to:
L104[10:50:13] <lily> download a deb, download a tarball, or "I'll figure ito ut
L105[10:50:14] <lily> "
L106[10:50:42] <Corded> > <li​ly> download a deb, download a tarball, or "I'll figure ito ut
L107[10:50:43] <ff​_66> no it just send me a notification, i close the app and it is updated
L108[10:50:47] <lily> Strange.
L109[10:50:57] <lily> Maybe your package manager updates in background?
L110[10:51:09] <ff​_66> the version from the shop is not the same as the .deb one
L111[10:51:11] <Forec​aster> Maybe it's maybelline
L112[10:51:15] <lily> "The shop"...?
L113[10:51:30] <Corded> > <li​ly> "The shop"...?
L114[10:51:30] <ff​_66> i mean the Ubuntu software app
L115[10:51:47] <lily> The app that's just a fancy frontend to apt?
L116[10:51:50] <ff​_66> its just longer to say
L117[10:51:51] <lily> That app?
L118[10:51:55] <ff​_66> yes
L119[10:52:04] <lily> So your package manager is still doing all the work
L120[10:52:09] <ff​_66> no
L121[10:52:33] <ff​_66> wait till an update releases and i'll show you what i mean
L122[10:52:52] <Corded> > <li​ly> The app that's just a fancy frontend to apt?
L123[10:52:52] <Na​dja> Isn't it flatpack now?
L124[10:52:57] <ff​_66> discord does it itself
L125[10:52:57] <Li​ly> Really, the best solution would be delta updates
L126[10:53:04] <Corded> > <na​dja> Isn't it flatpack now?
L127[10:53:04] <Li​ly> No idea
L128[10:53:18] <Li​ly> I don't use Ubuntu on my desktop
L129[10:53:36] <Li​ly> Haven't in a while
L130[10:53:36] <ff​_66> on 22.04 it is apt
L131[10:53:47] <Li​ly> But I use the server version for a couple things
L132[10:54:23] <ff​_66> i'm using Ubuntu 22.04 "Jammy jellyfish" LTS
L133[10:54:50] <Forec​aster> %choose burgs; 2 or 3
L134[10:54:50] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: 3 burgs
L135[10:54:55] <Forec​aster> Kay
L136[10:54:59] <Forec​aster> Sound good
L137[10:57:41] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> Sound good
L138[10:57:41] <Li​ly> Yeah, the acoustic engineers did a good job
L139[11:02:54] <Forec​aster> Air is doing an awesome job too
L140[11:03:09] <Forec​aster> Transporting sound waves
L141[11:09:32] <Amanda> @nadja Ubuntu doesn't use flatpak, they made their own special snowflake thing, snap
L142[11:10:25] <Amanda> Which requires a bunch of kernel patches (apparmor) and doesn't support third party repos
L143[11:11:09] <Corded> > <Ama​nda> Which requires a bunch of kernel patches (apparmor) and doe…
L144[11:11:09] <ff​_66> already downloaded snaps from third-party repos
L145[11:13:18] <Amanda> No you didn't
L146[11:13:43] <Amanda> The server part of the snap software is closed source and hosted exclusively by canonical
L147[11:24:46] <lily> Canonical tends to suffer from NIH syndrome
L148[11:25:27] <Amanda> I like flatpak, literally a s3 bucket can be a valid repo, with the right software to upload to it
L149[11:25:52] <Amanda> Just pointing nginx at a directory as well
L150[11:36:50] <Amanda> %remindme 30m check CI
L151[11:36:50] <MichiBot> I'll tell you "check CI" in 30m at 08/06/2024 12:06:50 PM
L152[11:37:52] <Amanda> %choose do system maintence or jump right into the factory
L153[11:37:52] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: My grandfather always told me that "jump right into the factory" is the way to go!
L154[11:39:36] <Amanda> HRm
L155[11:39:56] <Amanda> I just realised I paved over a pure iron node in my starter base
L156[11:40:11] <Amanda> Guess that just solidifies that I'll have to replace it sooner than later
L157[11:44:07] <Na​dja> Amanda: I mean apparmor is pretty nifty ^^
L158[12:06:51] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: check CI
L159[12:07:04] <Amanda> ohno, it succeeded
L160[12:09:03] <Forec​aster> test succeeded failfully
L161[12:42:02] <Amanda> %remindme 30m check again
L162[12:42:03] <MichiBot> I'll tell you "check again" in 30m at 08/06/2024 01:12:02 PM
L163[13:09:32] <Forec​aster> Oh good
L164[13:10:16] <Forec​aster> I have to drive 3 hours tomorrow to try to fix a communication issue in some machines from the late nineties
L165[13:12:04] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: check again
L166[13:13:38] <Amanda> This'll help with the travel! %splash @Forecaster with mutable octiron potion
L167[13:13:38] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable octiron potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster. @Forecaster turns into a pear octopus boy until they see a unicorn.
L168[13:14:14] <Forec​aster> I'm not sure it will...
L169[13:15:10] <S​3> Meanwhile, 2024 marks me at 20 consecutive years of Slackware Linux and FreeBSD
L170[13:20:14] <Izzy> lily: yeah, thinkpad. Found one with 16GB which is the max it supports, apparently, and the top-spec APU, for $270
L171[13:26:12] <lily> ah
L172[13:26:28] <lily> yeah, thinkpads are pretty good
L173[13:26:37] <Izzy> kinda thinking my X220 is getting a little long in the tooth
L174[13:26:43] <Izzy> it's only y'know, 15 years old this year
L175[13:26:45] <lily> damn
L176[13:26:54] <lily> Almost as old as /me/
L177[13:27:04] <lily> Give or take (read: only take) 4-5 years
L178[13:28:23] <Izzy> spooky
L179[13:28:50] <Izzy> but yeah I don't think I'll find a machine *less* compromised that meets my needs
L180[13:30:04] <Izzy> even if the RAM is soldered and the ethernet is a weird nonstandard pinout and it only has 2 normal USB ports
L181[13:30:14] <lily> the ethernet is nonstandard?
L182[13:30:22] <Izzy> and doesn't have a ThinkLight
L183[13:30:28] <Izzy> yeah it has some slimline thing you need a dongle or dock for
L184[13:30:37] <Izzy> annoying, but at least it has an onboard ethernet chipset
L185[13:30:43] <Izzy> because despite that it still supports proper mechanical docking and it has a trackpoint
L186[13:30:52] <lily> Huh, so it does
L187[13:31:01] <lily> Consider an A475 if you can find 'em cheap :P
L188[13:31:09] <Izzy> 1080p screen and AMD APU are compelling also
L189[13:31:13] <Izzy> I can get an A485 for about the same price
L190[13:31:19] <Izzy> but I value the smol size
L191[13:31:23] <lily> ah
L192[13:31:40] <lily> I have the 475
L193[13:31:51] <Izzy> not sure what it is about the A485 but that model number makes me think of Acorn
L194[13:32:00] <Izzy> or maybe Amiga
L195[13:50:05] <lunar_sam> huh, i've been using linux for uhhhhhh
L196[13:50:23] <lunar_sam> probably the better part of a decade now, i believe
L197[13:55:36] <lily> which distro?
L198[13:58:22] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L199[13:58:23] <MichiBot> Crud! Forec​aster! You beat your own previous record of <0 (By 5 hours, 28 minutes and 49 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L200[13:58:24] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 5 hours, 28 minutes and 49 seconds! No points gained for stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.00548)
L201[13:59:47] <lunar_sam> i originally ran linux mint, set up bedrock because i wanted newer packages iirc, then eventually just installed arch at some point
L202[14:00:00] <lunar_sam> when i was running mint i still dual booted tho so lmao
L203[14:14:52] <Amanda> I'm a serial distro-hopper
L204[14:17:27] <Izzy> I used arch for ages but ended up using one of the mint machines I set up for family. kinda just didn't stop, so here we are.
L205[14:27:48] <Ocawes​ome101> lily: re discord updates, that's good to know. the `discord_arch_electron` package makes it use wayland and newer electron natively
L206[14:28:09] <Ocawes​ome101> i've probably been using linux for 6ish years. wild.
L207[14:28:23] <Ocawes​ome101> maybe 7? i don't remember exactly when i first tried it
L208[14:37:05] <Va​ur> %sip
L209[14:37:06] <MichiBot> You drink a dashed oculemon potion (New!). Vaur has a single tear roll down their cheek for some reason.
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L211[15:04:16] <Va​ur> %sip
L212[15:04:16] <MichiBot> You drink a dull redstone potion (New!). Vaur gains an additional bone.
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L216[15:37:25] <ff​_66> You see what i mean when i say "Discord updates itself" ? https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722958645413.png
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L219[16:04:15] <Amanda> %remindme 14m fuel's done
L220[16:04:16] <MichiBot> I'll tell you "fuel's done" in 14m at 08/06/2024 04:18:15 PM
L221[16:04:36] <Forec​aster> _prepares to steal the fuel_
L222[16:05:42] <ff​_66> *prepares to sell the stolen fuel that i'll steal from @Forecaster*
L223[16:12:31] <Corded> > <ff​_66> You see what i mean when i say "Discord updates itself" ?
L224[16:12:31] <Ocawes​ome101> that looks like a package manager notification. i don't get those
L225[16:13:11] <Izzy> forbidden windows NT https://social.nano.lgbt/notes/9whz1ne8ftinlqok
L226[16:14:03] <ff​_66> windows on a mac ?
L227[16:14:26] <ff​_66> oh wait thats 3.51 not 4.0
L228[16:15:05] <Izzy> not quite the best platform for windows NT, but still cool
L229[16:15:19] <ff​_66> 4.0 is the best NT
L230[16:16:15] <ff​_66> but technically win11 is also NT so it is also the best in terms of functionality
L231[16:18:17] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: fuel's done
L232[16:18:41] <Amanda> Hrm
L233[16:19:27] <Izzy> idk you can't run windows 11 on DEC Alpha so it seems like a downgrade to me
L234[16:20:15] <Corded> > <Iz​zy> idk you can't run windows 11 on DEC Alpha so it seems like …
L235[16:20:15] <ff​_66> and windows NT 4.0 can run on PPC processors
L236[16:20:30] <Amanda> %choose 4 or 8
L237[16:20:31] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: 4'os, for a complete breakfast!
L238[16:20:39] <ff​_66> BUT windows 11 can run on ARM64
L239[16:24:45] <Izzy> NT3.5 and 4 had wider architecture support overall
L240[16:25:24] <Izzy> x86, i860, DEC Alpha, MIPS, and PowerPC
L241[16:25:51] <Ocawes​ome101> school is using generative ai to answer syllabus questions now apparently
L242[16:25:59] <Izzy> now it's x86, x86_64, ARM and ARM64; half of those are related
L243[16:32:19] <lunar_sam> > <@Ocawes​ome101> school is using generative ai to answer syllabus questions now apparently
L244[16:32:19] <lunar_sam> grim
L245[16:36:52] <Izzy> thinkin about being taught in primary school to never use my real name online
L246[16:37:07] <Izzy> then in highschool, having a google account made on my behalf with my name on it
L247[16:37:17] <Ocawes​ome101> i only use my real name for school-related things
L248[16:37:56] <Izzy> apparently in primary school they no longer teach kids not to use their real name online
L249[16:38:02] <Ocawes​ome101> wild
L250[16:38:09] <Izzy> had to teach my niece and nephew about it myself
L251[16:38:31] <Izzy> (they are getting a good education)
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L254[16:53:10] <Amanda> %choose up or back
L255[16:53:10] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: You *could* do "back", I guess.
L256[16:53:25] <Amanda> You sound unsure, MichiBot
L257[16:55:46] <Va​ur> %sip
L258[16:55:46] <MichiBot> You drink a big copper potion (New!). Vaur is suddenly more aware of cute things nearby until they use "Classic" in a sentence.
L259[17:05:26] <Va​ur> %sip
L260[17:08:16] <Va​ur> %sip
L261[17:08:16] <MichiBot> You drink a gloopy sky potion (New!). Vaur shrinks by a negligible amount until their next sip of water.
L262[17:11:24] <lunar_sam> i only use "sam" online, though it's not my _real, legal_ name and good luck figuring out who i am in the sea of sams
L263[17:50:35] <Corded> > <Iz​zy> apparently in primary school they no longer teach kids not …
L264[17:50:36] <Li​ly> What if it's super common
L265[17:50:55] <Li​ly> (Like how mine is :P)
L266[17:59:45] <Amanda> aaaaaaa
L267[18:00:07] <Amanda> I forgot to make sure the train level was high enough off the water to fit the water extractors
L268[18:00:19] <Amanda> It is, barely
L269[18:00:23] <Amanda> With clipping
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L275[18:07:12] <Ocawes​ome101> mine is very common but almost everyone who shares it is 10-15 years younger than i am
L276[18:07:44] <Ocawes​ome101> so not old enough to all be on the internet yet
L277[18:08:34] <PewPew​Cricket> Help https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722967714224.mp4
L278[18:09:05] <ff​_66> buried dog ?
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L280[18:09:16] <Ocawes​ome101> willingly buried dog apparently
L281[18:09:33] <PewPew​Cricket> The dug that hole
L282[18:09:39] <PewPew​Cricket> All 3 worked together
L283[18:10:03] <ff​_66> are they dogs or rats ?
L284[18:10:19] <PewPew​Cricket> * They dug that hole
L285[18:10:21] <PewPew​Cricket> Idk anymore
L286[18:14:25] <ff​_66> at least both are in the top of the most intelligent species so...
L287[18:33:31] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> (Like how mine is :P)
L288[18:33:32] <Na​dja> "my parents gave me a boring ass name" is a weird flex, but okay :'D
L289[18:34:17] <Corded> > <na​dja> "my parents gave me a boring ass name" is a weird flex, but…
L290[18:34:17] <Li​ly> Heeey!
L291[18:34:20] <Amanda> nadja: or "I chose a boring-ass name"
L292[18:34:22] <Li​ly> Actually, I named myself this.
L293[18:34:32] <Li​ly> 🏳️‍⚧️
L294[18:34:44] <lily> Or "🏳️‍⚧️" on IRC
L295[18:34:49] <lily> ...Oh, I copied the ZWJ
L296[18:34:50] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Actually, I named myself this.
L297[18:34:50] <Na​dja> So of all the names in all the tongues of men you chose "Lily"? How's that not an even *worse* flex? :P
L298[18:35:09] <Corded> > <na​dja> So of all the names in all the tongues of men you chose "Li…
L299[18:35:09] <Li​ly> It's a cute name ok >.<
L300[18:35:13] <lily> At least I think it is >:3
L301[18:35:24] <Na​dja> It is! But still.
L302[18:36:00] <ff​_66> i prefer "normal" names over way too original names personally
L303[18:36:09] <Ocawes​ome101> i know someone else who also chose "lily" lmao
L304[18:36:13] <Amanda> I mean. I didn't even get past "A" in the babyname list before picking mine. :P
L305[18:36:17] <Ocawes​ome101> and two people who were named it from birth
L306[18:36:21] <Li​ly> I originally had one of those "original" names :<
L307[18:36:50] <Ocawes​ome101> all three about my age (17ish)
L308[18:36:56] <Corded> > <ff​_66> i prefer "normal" names over way too original names persona…
L309[18:36:56] <Na​dja> There are only normal names, just sometimes normal in different cultures than you currently find yourself in.
L310[18:37:15] <Li​ly> Well, my original name was a reference to some Irish folklore or something.
L311[18:37:19] <Li​ly> Neither of my parents are Irish.
L312[18:37:24] <Li​ly> Nor have I ever been to Ireland.
L313[18:37:46] <PewPew​Cricket> No way active oc chat
L314[18:38:07] <Spider ​EveryOS> %tonk
L315[18:38:07] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Spider EveryOS, you were not able to beat Forecaster's record of 5 hours, 28 minutes and 49 seconds this time. 4 hours, 39 minutes and 44 seconds were wasted! Missed by 49 minutes and 4 seconds!
L316[18:38:31] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Well, my original name was a reference to some Irish folklo…
L317[18:38:31] <Na​dja> Lily is a very English name, not sure how that's better 🤷‍♀️
L318[18:38:36] <Spider ​EveryOS> Shucks, I misread https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722969516305.png
L319[18:38:45] <Corded> > <na​dja> Lily is a very English name, not sure how that's better 🤷‍…
L320[18:38:45] <Li​ly> I mean... I *was* born in the UK
L321[18:38:48] <Corded> > <na​dja> There are only normal names, just sometimes normal in diffe…
L322[18:38:48] <Ocawes​ome101> "Kayeleighee"
L323[18:39:04] <Corded> > <PewPew​Cricket> No way active oc chat
L324[18:39:04] <Li​ly> Topic of the day is U+1F3F3 U+FE0F U+200D U+26A7 U+FE0F, apparently
L325[18:39:06] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> I mean... I *was* born in the UK
L326[18:39:06] <Na​dja> *well*. I retract my statement and claim the opposite
L327[18:39:18] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Topic of the day is U+1F3F3 U+FE0F U+200D U+26A7 U+FE0F, ap…
L328[18:39:18] <Li​ly> (The trans flag is five characters) https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722969558082.png
L329[18:39:18] <Corded> > <na​dja> There are only normal names, just sometimes normal in diffe…
L330[18:39:18] <ff​_66> there are more popular "normal" names still, you can even guess roughly the birthyear of one person just by its name (doesn't work 100% of the time though)
L331[18:39:34] <Ocawes​ome101> (i have never seen it spelled like that but there seems to be a trend recently of naming kids things spelled in very odd ways)
L332[18:39:54] <Corded> > <ff​_66> there are more popular "normal" names still, you can even g…
L333[18:39:54] <Na​dja> Can you though? :)
L334[18:40:16] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> (The trans flag is five characters)
L335[18:40:16] <ff​_66> so the topic is 🏳️‍⚧️ ?
L336[18:40:40] <lunar_sam> i go by sam for reasons which stretch back a long while and are largely unimportant
L337[18:40:42] <Corded> > <na​dja> Can you though? :)
L338[18:40:42] <ff​_66> it's statistics
L339[18:40:45] <Li​ly> 🏳 is actually like four characters
L340[18:40:48] <lunar_sam> B)
L341[18:40:51] <Li​ly> What the fuck Unicode
L342[18:41:07] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> What the fuck Unicode
L343[18:41:07] <ff​_66> be aware of U+202E
L344[18:41:15] <Li​ly> I wonder if every character in the SMP is that many
L345[18:41:55] <Li​ly> To be fair, maybe listing the characters isn't fair; because of how UTF-8 works
L346[18:42:21] <Corded> > <ff​_66> it's statistics
L347[18:42:21] <Na​dja> _adds 'statistics' to the long list ff_66 has a very limited grasp on._
L348[18:42:58] <Li​ly> ...A lot of things don't register emoji variants well, huh? https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722969778437.png
L349[18:43:06] <lily> s/register/render
L350[18:43:06] <MichiBot> <Lily> ...A lot of things don't render emoji variants well, huh? https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722969778437.png
L351[18:43:17] <ff​_66> with 202E anyone can do a filename like "Do not press tab.txt" and the rel filename will be "Do no press [U+202E]txt.bat"
L352[18:43:22] <ff​_66> * real filename will be "Do no press [U+202E]txt.bat"
L353[18:43:42] <PewPew​Cricket> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722969822363.mp4
L354[18:43:43] <Li​ly> does 202E actually work in filenames though
L355[18:43:55] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> does 202E actually work in filenames though
L356[18:43:55] <ff​_66> yes except from command prompt
L357[18:44:13] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> ...A lot of things don't register emoji variants well, huh?
L358[18:44:13] <Na​dja> Also, consider 🫱🏽‍🫲🏿 if you want weird emoji that totally aren't a gigantic headache for font renderers
L359[18:44:13] <ff​_66> windows explorer interprets this char correctly
L360[18:44:38] <Li​ly> Lmao https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722969878732.png
L361[18:44:53] <Li​ly> You, uh, you ok there Dolphin?
L362[18:45:06] <Na​dja> you found the RTL characters? :P
L363[18:45:09] <Li​ly> Yeah
L364[18:45:14] <Li​ly> They uh... Don't render well
L365[18:45:21] <Na​dja> Yeah, RTL rendering is """solved"""
L366[18:45:30] <Na​dja> And it totally doesn't break all the time
L367[18:45:40] <ff​_66> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3aMLi5HZgk
L368[18:45:51] <Corded> > <na​dja> And it totally doesn't break all the time
L369[18:45:52] <Li​ly> Nope, not at all https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722969951662.png
L370[18:46:01] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> They uh... Don't render well
L371[18:46:01] <Na​dja> Anyway
L372[18:46:01] <Na​dja> נדיה called she wants her weird text back.
L373[18:46:16] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Nope, not at all
L374[18:46:16] <ff​_66> in cmd.exe it display a question mark in a box
L375[18:46:22] <Li​ly> Huh.
L376[18:46:28] <Li​ly> Wonder how Powershell handles it
L377[18:46:33] <Corded> > <na​dja> Anyway
L378[18:46:33] <Corded> נדיה called she wants her weird text back.
L379[18:46:33] <Na​dja> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722969993449.png
L380[18:46:45] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Wonder how Powershell handles it
L381[18:46:45] <ff​_66> its also conhost.exe so its the same
L382[18:46:53] <Li​ly> not on linux
L383[18:47:01] <ff​_66> but i never tested how terminal handles it
L384[18:47:05] <Li​ly> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722970024825.png
L385[18:47:14] <Li​ly> powershell is just .NET
L386[18:47:14] <ff​_66> like, the windows terminal
L387[18:47:46] <Li​ly> No, really. https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722970066390.png
L388[18:47:53] <Li​ly> It's literally just "What if .NET... but shell?"
L389[18:49:27] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> It's literally just "What if .NET... but shell?"
L390[18:49:27] <ff​_66> the renderer is not the same as the command processor, are you in the windows terminal or in conhost ?
L391[18:51:10] <Corded> > <ff​_66> the renderer is not the same as the command processor, are …
L392[18:51:10] <Na​dja> If you look very very closely you might realise that Lily here is not running Windows :P
L393[18:51:27] <ff​_66> no blue background ?
L394[18:51:44] <ff​_66> wrong font ?
L395[18:51:49] <Amanda> "/home/lily"
L396[18:52:06] <Corded> > <na​dja> If you look very very closely you might realise that Lily h…
L397[18:52:06] <Li​ly> Whaaaat? Nooooo... https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722970326191.png
L398[18:52:22] <ff​_66> i'm disappointed because of myself...
L399[18:52:23] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> not on linux
L400[18:52:23] <Li​ly> What could possibly make you think that...
L401[18:52:55] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Whaaaat? Nooooo...
L402[18:52:55] <Na​dja> Would have taken you for a Lix girl myself but hey. You at least have the "tell everybody about it all the time" part down ;)
L403[18:53:11] <Li​ly> Lmao
L404[18:53:25] <Li​ly> What is it with Nix and trans people, anyway?
L405[18:53:31] <Amanda> nadja: So, I distro-hop a lot. The current distro I have to appent "(btw)" should I ever mention it. :P
L406[18:53:43] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> What is it with Nix and trans people, anyway?
L407[18:53:44] <Na​dja> I dunno, you tell me o.O
L408[18:53:46] <ff​_66> 128 GB of ram ? a ryzen 9 7900 ?? an RX 7900 XTX ??? a B650 mobo ?????
L409[18:53:55] <Li​ly> Oh wait, Lix *isn't* a typo? Huhn.
L410[18:53:59] <Li​ly> https://lix.systems/
L411[18:54:15] <Li​ly> There's ALSO https://lixlinux.com/ which I think is wholly unrelated
L412[18:54:15] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> https://lix.systems/
L413[18:54:16] <Na​dja> Yes it's this weird lesbian Nix fork?
L414[18:54:30] <Corded> > <na​dja> Yes it's this weird lesbian Nix fork?
L415[18:54:30] <Li​ly> So... Nix with extra steps
L416[18:54:33] <Li​ly> <:heh:1233712270001967165>
L417[18:54:56] <Li​ly> I wish Discord had a lesbian flag tbh
L418[18:55:05] <Corded> > <ff​_66> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3aMLi5HZgk
L419[18:55:05] <PewPew​Cricket> Why file names should only allow asci:
L420[18:55:16] <Corded> > <PewPew​Cricket> Why file names should only allow asci:
L421[18:55:16] <Li​ly> Japan wants a word.
L422[18:55:24] <PewPew​Cricket> Too bad
L423[18:55:24] <Corded> > <PewPew​Cricket> Why file names should only allow asci:
L424[18:55:24] <ff​_66> use FAT then
L425[18:55:44] <PewPew​Cricket> I wasn't being super serious
L426[18:55:49] <PewPew​Cricket> Lmao
L427[18:55:56] <Amanda> Fun fact, Linux allows more characters than windows
L428[18:56:07] <Amanda> only / and null are invalid in linux
L429[18:56:16] <PewPew​Cricket> Certain unicode chars shouldn't be allowed in filenames tho
L430[18:56:24] <Li​ly> Fun fact 2, half the characters that aren't allowed on Windows *ARE* on NTFS
L431[18:56:34] <Li​ly> The 256 character path name restriction is SPECIFIC to Windows
L432[18:56:35] <Corded> > <Ama​nda> only / and null are invalid in linux
L433[18:56:35] <ff​_66> so you can make a vault by naming a folder con ?
L434[18:56:53] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> The 256 character path name restriction is SPECIFIC to Wind…
L435[18:56:53] <ff​_66> is it 260 ?
L436[18:57:01] <Li​ly> Only on Windows, I believe.
L437[18:57:09] <Li​ly> NTFS itself doesn't care
L438[18:57:29] <ff​_66> and also you can enable case sensitive windows through the registery
L439[18:57:31] <PewPew​Cricket> The name restrictions were for DOS compatability iirc
L440[18:57:38] <Li​ly> Yuuup.
L441[18:58:00] <Li​ly> Welcome to windows, where DOS compatibility is important even though most modern Windows systems can't run DOS programs anyway
L442[18:58:12] <Corded> > <PewPew​Cricket> The name restrictions were for DOS compatability iirc
L443[18:58:13] <ff​_66> in french con is.... welll... also a "restricted word"....
L444[18:58:15] <PewPew​Cricket> What's the biggest windows PE?
L445[18:58:33] <Corded> > <ff​_66> in french con is.... welll... also a "restricted word"....
L446[18:58:34] <PewPew​Cricket> Tf does that mean
L447[18:58:47] <Corded> > <PewPew​Cricket> What's the biggest windows PE?
L448[18:58:48] <ff​_66> windows 7 ultimate or multi-edition PE i think
L449[18:59:07] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Welcome to windows, where DOS compatibility is important ev…
L450[18:59:07] <PewPew​Cricket> you can run original 8086 code on a modern cpu
L451[18:59:20] <Corded> > <PewPew​Cricket> you can run original 8086 code on a modern cpu
L452[18:59:20] <Li​ly> Sure, but 64-bit Windows won't run 16-bit applications.
L453[18:59:28] <Li​ly> it flat out refuses.
L454[18:59:31] <PewPew​Cricket> Well im not talking about windows
L455[18:59:32] <Li​ly> 32-bit can though
L456[18:59:33] <Redston​eParkour> what about ntvdm?
L457[18:59:37] <PewPew​Cricket> I'm talking about the cpu
L458[18:59:39] <Corded> > <PewPew​Cricket> Tf does that mean
L459[18:59:39] <ff​_66> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722970779291.png
L460[18:59:44] <Li​ly> > NTVDM is a Feature on Demand and only supported on the x86 version of Windows.
L461[18:59:53] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Japan wants a word.
L462[18:59:53] <Na​dja> Japan is *very* okay with reduced letter sets (such as ASCII) for identifiers.
L463[19:00:06] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Sure, but 64-bit Windows won't run 16-bit applications.
L464[19:00:06] <ff​_66> you can actually run ntvdm on x64 computers
L465[19:00:13] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> > NTVDM is a Feature on Demand and only supported on the x8…
L466[19:00:13] <PewPew​Cricket> I mean you can run original 8086 code on the cpu not the os
L467[19:00:15] <ff​_66> just need some work
L468[19:00:31] <Li​ly> Speaking of Japanese characters
L469[19:00:33] <Li​ly> They are...
L470[19:00:34] <Redston​eParkour> or you could spin up a vm
L471[19:00:36] <Li​ly> Annoying, at times
L472[19:01:00] <Li​ly> ...She says, as they display perfectly fine
L473[19:01:01] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Annoying, at times
L474[19:01:01] <Na​dja> Oh is it time for lukewarm takes already? :P
L475[19:01:12] <Li​ly> Oh. Oh, no. https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722970871980.png
L476[19:01:14] <Li​ly> This is not fine
L477[19:01:22] <Corded> > <Redston​eParkour> or you could spin up a vm
L478[19:01:22] <PewPew​Cricket> My point is backwards compatibility is not exclusive to Microsoft having DOS compatibility in windows for a long time
L479[19:01:52] <Li​ly> Hold on a second... https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722970912343.png
L480[19:01:56] <Corded> > <PewPew​Cricket> My point is backwards compatibility is not exclusive to Mic…
L481[19:01:56] <ff​_66> YOU CAN run NTVDM on x64 windows
L482[19:02:06] <PewPew​Cricket> ?
L483[19:02:17] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Hold on a second...
L484[19:02:17] <Li​ly> Wrong time period, VLC
L485[19:02:17] <PewPew​Cricket> I don't know what yall have been even talking about
L486[19:02:28] <PewPew​Cricket> Tf is NTVDM
L487[19:02:43] <Redston​eParkour> its on wikipedia
L488[19:03:03] <Corded> > <PewPew​Cricket> Tf is NTVDM
L489[19:03:03] <ff​_66> NTVDM is the compat layer between 16-bit apps and 32-bit windows
L490[19:03:15] <Ocawes​ome101> NT Virtual DOS Machine iirc?
L491[19:03:21] <ff​_66> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unU7uyFJWmo
L492[19:05:24] <ff​_66> the VDM technology uses the Virtual 8086 mode which was already used on windows 3.1 with a 386 and 2MB of ram
L493[19:05:30] <Corded> > <PewPew​Cricket> My point is backwards compatibility is not exclusive to Mic…
L494[19:05:31] <Na​dja> ~~Yes, and see how good Intel is doing right now :P~~
L495[19:07:17] <ff​_66> back in the days it allowed windows to run with DOS programs accessing directly the hardware
L496[19:07:50] <Corded> > <na​dja> ~~Yes, and see how good Intel is doing right now :P~~
L497[19:07:50] <Li​ly> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722971270177.webp
L498[19:09:38] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL>
L499[19:09:38] <Na​dja> I'm sorry for all the people that are about to loose their job thanks to the greed of the managerial class at Intel, but I do have to admit I have quite some Schadenfreude after what Intel tried :D
L500[19:10:47] <Forec​aster> I'm glad my job is not very CPU intensive
L501[19:12:34] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL>
L502[19:12:35] <Na​dja> (also let's be real here that's one boring ass prayer)
L503[19:13:08] <Li​ly> It's basically just "Watch where you're going" isn't it
L504[19:13:43] <Ocawes​ome101> looks that way
L505[19:14:00] <Forec​aster> I just follow my GPS
L506[19:14:25] <Forec​aster> I also pray to it regularly so that I may not be led astray
L507[19:15:14] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> I'm glad my job is not very CPU intensive
L508[19:15:14] <ff​_66> then why did you choose 14th gen then ? at that time of the year its better picking AMD because of upgrades plus 14th gen is unstable
L509[19:15:17] <Li​ly> If you lived in Australia, you'd have to do more than pray
L510[19:15:49] <Forec​aster> What are you talking about
L511[19:16:00] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> What are you talking about
L512[19:16:00] <Li​ly> continental drift; in terms of continents, Australia has the zoomies
L513[19:16:13] <Forec​aster> No, ff_66
L514[19:16:15] <Li​ly> Oh
L515[19:16:31] <ff​_66> https://tenor.com/view/continental-drift-gif-23704530
L516[19:17:38] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> No, ff_66
L517[19:17:38] <ff​_66> https://paste.pc-logix.com/adavawibow
L518[19:17:45] <Li​ly> you"
L519[19:17:50] <ff​_66> * you'll use less money
L520[19:18:04] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> you"
L521[19:18:04] <ff​_66> backspace is next to enter
L522[19:18:07] <Li​ly> Fair.
L523[19:18:11] <Li​ly> It's more like Intel rarely has upgrade paths
L524[19:18:35] <Ocawes​ome101> intel upgrade path is new motherboard usually
L525[19:18:46] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> It's basically just "Watch where you're going" isn't it
L526[19:18:46] <Na​dja> https://paste.pc-logix.com/miviheboze
L527[19:18:59] <Li​ly> is that a poem
L528[19:19:02] <Na​dja> Proverbs 4 is the fathers teachings
L529[19:19:05] <Li​ly> Ah
L530[19:19:06] <ff​_66> what the hell is that text filling half the screen
L531[19:19:16] <Na​dja> it's basically "My son" and then lots of stuff you all know anyway
L532[19:19:18] <Ocawes​ome101> sometimes they'll keep it the same for a generation or smth
L533[19:19:26] <Na​dja> And some … downright homoerotic stuff too.
L534[19:19:26] <Li​ly> I'm, uh, not Christian. (Though I don't think abstinence is an excuse for ignorance!)
L535[19:19:36] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> I'm, uh, not Christian. (Though I don't think abstinence is…
L536[19:19:37] <Na​dja> Not christian either.
L537[19:19:39] <Ocawes​ome101> same
L538[19:19:45] <Li​ly> ...Does abstinence count in this context?
L539[19:19:53] <Corded> > <ff​_66> if you don't need a big processor then :
L540[19:19:53] <Corded> 1. buy an i3
L541[19:19:53] <Corded> 2. go…
L542[19:19:53] <Forec​aster> Okay, first off, I didn't choose any processor, it was a pre-built system
L543[19:19:53] <Forec​aster> Second, when I ordered it the news that there were self destructive CPUs was not wide spread
L544[19:20:05] <Ocawes​ome101> one can abstain from religion i think
L545[19:20:22] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> ...Does abstinence count in this context?
L546[19:20:23] <Na​dja> not really, but we all get your meaning :P
L547[19:20:42] <Corded> > <na​dja> Not christian either.
L548[19:20:42] <Li​ly> I was about to make a joke, but couldn't really get the background of your PFP.
L549[19:20:47] <Ocawes​ome101> agnostic is the correct term though
L550[19:20:54] <Li​ly> Has anyone ever told you it looks a lot like a lesbian flag at a small resolution?
L551[19:21:06] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Has anyone ever told you it looks a lot like a lesbian flag…
L552[19:21:07] <Na​dja> You're the first!
L553[19:21:13] <Li​ly> Well, it does :P
L554[19:21:14] <Na​dja> Anyway, not lesbian either. :P
L555[19:21:23] <Li​ly> (Or maybe I'm just biased)
L556[19:21:26] <ff​_66> 1. if you have the knowledge, its cheaper building yourself
L557[19:21:26] <ff​_66> 2. there is no reason why you chose intel when 7000 CPUs were out
L558[19:21:55] <Ocawes​ome101> intel does occasionally do things better than AMD, and also they're pretty competitive regardless
L559[19:22:05] <Corded> > <ff​_66> 1. if you have the knowledge, its cheaper building yourself…
L560[19:22:05] <Forec​aster> That's not always true, and again, I didn't choose it
L561[19:22:21] <Corded> > <Ocawes​ome101> intel does occasionally do things better than AMD, and also…
L562[19:22:22] <ff​_66> not on price,
L563[19:22:22] <ff​_66> not on upgrades,
L564[19:22:22] <ff​_66> not in gaming performance
L565[19:22:55] <ff​_66> but if you're streaming or editing vids then yes its worth it because of the 24 cores
L566[19:25:14] <Forec​aster> Also I value my time more than money
L567[19:28:55] <Amanda> But time is money
L568[19:29:08] <Amanda> and money is the root of all evil... so Chronos must be stopped!
L569[19:29:53] <lily> Stab your local clock
L570[19:29:55] <lily> %sip
L571[19:29:55] <MichiBot> You drink a mutable red potion (New!). lily turns into a rubium golem girl until they eat a pie.
L572[19:30:07] <lily> Oh hey, free FPS
L573[19:30:36] <Corded> > <Ama​nda> and money is the root of all evil... so Chronos must be sto…
L574[19:30:37] <ff​_66> no, money just = power
L575[19:30:44] <ff​_66> but power is bad
L576[19:31:45] <Na​dja> Okay lily very important: If you find weird writing on your forehead do not, I repeat, *do not* try to get it off.
L577[19:32:20] <lily> Good to know
L578[19:32:45] <Na​dja> If you're a golem there's a 99% chance that it's part of whats animating you and you might kill yourself if you do. So … no scratching.
L579[19:33:57] <ff​_66> and where are the writings on the iron golems ? inside the pumpkin ?
L580[19:34:19] <Amanda> You know golems existed before Minecraft, right?
L581[19:34:48] <Amanda> %choose laptopnaptime?
L582[19:34:48] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Whatever you're thinking, don't.
L583[19:34:50] <Forec​aster> incidentally when I started my computer today it was making a weird noise... I think one of my hard drives may have begun failing... I'm getting hard drive failures with an alarmingly high frequency...
L584[19:34:55] <lily> Are modern-day robots technically steel golems
L585[19:35:23] <lily> Or maybe sand, because silicon
L586[19:35:36] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> incidentally when I started my computer today it was making…
L587[19:35:37] <ff​_66> meanwhile me getting full speed fan noises twice a month for no reason
L588[19:36:14] <Forec​aster> that's... a mild concern in comparison... but okay
L589[19:36:27] <Corded> > <li​ly> Are modern-day robots technically steel golems
L590[19:36:27] <Li​ly> Totally unrelated why are robogirls so cool
L591[19:36:45] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Totally unrelated why are robogirls so cool
L592[19:36:45] <Forec​aster> because overheating is bad for computers
L593[19:37:16] <lily> Actually, I think Zen 4 is designed to run hot
L594[19:37:40] <Corded> > <li​ly> Are modern-day robots technically steel golems
L595[19:37:40] <Na​dja> According to the golem of MHR"L most certainly not, according to Bal Shem Tov … yes actually. So maybe, instructions unclear.
L596[19:37:47] <lily> the boost apparently has a temperature target of ~90C
L597[19:38:14] <lily> it'll push as much power as it (safely) can until it hits that, and then throttle to stay around there
L598[19:38:31] <lily> but I rarely ever hit past 75
L599[19:38:41] <lily> This isn't an X though
L600[19:39:14] <Forec​aster> ssh, don't say that or the musk will be summoned!
L601[19:39:47] <Li​ly> Oh hey it's the wheel of death https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722973187456.png
L602[19:40:15] <Li​ly> ...Was my first thought on seeing a spinny rainbow *really* a nerdfact?
L603[19:40:27] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> ...Was my first thought on seeing a spinny rainbow *really*…
L604[19:40:27] <Na​dja> Nerd.
L605[19:40:46] <Li​ly> and my second thought was the xkcd
L606[19:41:11] <Forec​aster> https://tenor.com/view/spinny-wheel-of-death-grim-reaper-yoyo-loading-gif-15653343
L607[19:41:19] <Li​ly> Yeah, that one!
L608[19:42:45] <Forec​aster> also, before the noises started in the computer, I was starting CP2077, but I could tell something was wonky as soon as my save loaded
L609[19:42:56] <Forec​aster> the interface was missing a few things
L610[19:43:12] <Forec​aster> namely most icons, and nothing worked
L611[19:43:36] <Forec​aster> I tried to summon my vehicle but nothing happened, at which point I noticed there was no icon on the hud element
L612[19:43:41] <Li​ly> Oh dear
L613[19:43:53] <Li​ly> Hope, uh, you haven't anything important on the drive
L614[19:44:08] <Li​ly> (that isn't already backed up)
L615[19:44:10] <Forec​aster> I shut everything down and thought "I'll deal with it later"
L616[19:44:22] <Forec​aster> only all of my coding projects, artwork, etc
L617[19:44:25] <lily> O h .
L618[19:44:34] <lily> Uh... Disk image?
L619[19:44:41] <Forec​aster> it's my primary hard drive
L620[19:44:51] <lily> well that's not great
L621[19:45:00] <lily> will it even survive being imaged?
L622[19:45:04] <Forec​aster> I'm just going to pull it out, plug it into a different computer, and attempt to pull everything to a different drive
L623[19:45:22] <lily> if the other drive is same or bigger size, consider (maybe) dd
L624[19:45:29] <Forec​aster> and hope it's not completely dead like the last drive that failed on me
L625[19:45:40] <Forec​aster> I don't know what that is
L626[19:45:45] <lily> oh.
L627[19:46:21] <lily> uh, it's a very common linux tool for copying data from point A to B; if you have a live USB around it can be a lifesaver
L628[19:46:30] <lily> very very good for making whole-disk images
L629[19:46:36] <lily> or cloning one disk to another
L630[19:46:52] <lily> or for /erasing/ a disk, for that matter!
L631[19:48:07] <Li​ly> there's also ddrescue
L632[19:48:09] <Forec​aster> I used to have a boot disk somewhere for something called "[someone]'s unstoppable copier"...
L633[19:48:10] <Li​ly> which might be very good here
L634[19:48:59] <Forec​aster> which was a bootable system that was just for copying a disk without stopping for any errors
L635[19:49:28] <Forec​aster> although this was like a decade ago, wonder if that still exists
L636[19:49:36] <Li​ly> ddrescue has error handling, I think
L637[19:50:19] <Li​ly> if a live USB is Ubuntu-based, you want `gddrescue`, *not* `ddrescue`
L638[19:50:27] <Li​ly> ddrescue on ubuntu is the semirelated tool `dd_rescue`
L639[19:51:04] <Forec​aster> I don't have any live usbs, so I'd have to make one
L640[19:51:10] <Li​ly> on Arch, only `ddrescue` (GNU ver) is available in repos, not `dd_rescue`
L641[19:51:45] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> I don't have any live usbs, so I'd have to make one
L642[19:51:46] <Li​ly> if you're comfortable working only a terminal, then an archiso might legitimately be a good idea
L643[19:52:02] <Li​ly> I keep one on a USB at all times
L644[19:52:21] <Forec​aster> I have a headless linux webserver
L645[19:52:22] <Li​ly> (ventoy is your friend)
L646[19:52:37] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> I have a headless linux webserver
L647[19:52:37] <Li​ly> fair enougj.
L648[19:52:39] <Li​ly> * enough.
L649[19:53:22] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> (ventoy is your friend)
L650[19:53:22] <Na​dja> Isn't Ventoy mired in controversy for their behaviour at the moment? ^^'
L651[19:53:28] <Li​ly> Oh?
L652[19:53:37] <Li​ly> I'm not aware of anything like that, enlighten me
L653[19:54:02] <Na​dja> Large amounts of blobs in their repo making them effectively closed source, and lately pushing everybody very hard to use their tool.
L654[19:54:09] <Li​ly> Huh, interesting
L655[19:54:55] <Na​dja> I know of at least three people that have independently of each other decided to reverse engineer some of the blobs in search of a backdoor because of their recent behaviour because it smells like backdoor peddling to them.
L656[19:55:06] <Li​ly> interesting
L657[19:55:34] <Forec​aster> I don't think I've used ventoy, I've used something else to create bootable usbs in the past... I don't remember what though
L658[19:55:34] <Amanda> ... well that''d be unfortunate
L659[19:55:40] <Amanda> I rather like ventoy as a concept
L660[19:56:13] <Na​dja> Hey, maybe they're just assholes!
L661[19:57:34] <Amanda> If it is back-doored, that'd be very annoying, since I've used it to install all my machines in the last few years
L662[19:57:42] <Li​ly> There's an ongoing issue https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy/issues/2795
L663[19:57:42] <MichiBot> Title: [issue]: Remove BLOBs from the source tree | Posted by: FairyTail2000 | Posted: Wed Apr 03 05:47:58 UTC 2024 | Status: open
L664[19:57:48] <Forec​aster> wellp, I'm going to go to bed and read now, then I'll spend 6 hours driving tomorrow, and maybe half as much time working (if I'm lucky), then I have d&d if I get home in time...
L665[19:57:58] <Forec​aster> probably wont have time for hard drive rescue tomorrow
L666[19:58:25] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> There's an ongoing issue https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy/i���
L667[19:58:25] <Na​dja> Yes, and: https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy/issues/2795#issuecomment-2233938098
L668[19:58:25] <MichiBot> Title: [issue]: Remove BLOBs from the source tree | Posted by: FairyTail2000 | Posted: Wed Apr 03 05:47:58 UTC 2024 | Status: open
L669[19:58:50] <Li​ly> Ah, but: https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy/issues/2795#issuecomment-2269378561
L670[19:58:50] <MichiBot> Title: [issue]: Remove BLOBs from the source tree | Posted by: FairyTail2000 | Posted: Wed Apr 03 05:47:58 UTC 2024 | Status: open
L671[19:59:02] <Li​ly> Though I don't know how credible ^^ is
L672[19:59:24] <Li​ly> Seems fairly reasonable, though
L673[20:01:46] <Na​dja> We'll see in a few days probably.
L674[20:09:52] <Amanda> Hrm
L675[20:10:06] <Amanda> I demand a snackrafice
L676[20:10:12] * Amanda paws at @Nadja
L677[20:10:44] <Na​dja> You know where the fridge is Amanda
L678[20:11:04] <Amanda> But somebody installed a weird lock on it
L679[20:11:53] <Amanda> %choose laptopnaptime?
L680[20:11:54] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Amanda's hair turns black
L681[20:12:04] <Amanda> ... my fur was already black, MichiBot
L682[20:12:20] <Amanda> but I guess that's a yes
L683[20:13:25] <Na​dja> Ah yes, Amanda, Galactic deity kitten, harbinger of planetary doom and broken universe physics. Stopped by a child safety lock.
L684[20:14:11] <Amanda> I don't have thumbs! That's why I've got the potion thrower!
L685[20:14:18] <lily> Sounds about right for a cat.
L686[20:14:26] <Forec​aster> Is the lock just something heavy someone put in front of the door?
L687[20:14:38] <lily> You'd be surprised, some can actually move those
L688[20:14:51] <lily> (speaking from personal experience there)
L689[20:15:09] <Forec​aster> Depends on how heavy it is :>
L690[20:15:11] <Corded> > <li​ly> (speaking from personal experience there)
L691[20:15:11] <Na​dja> Because you're a cat(girl) and you can move those?
L692[20:15:50] <Amanda> Also there's a scary green thing in front of the fridge
L693[20:16:13] <Na​dja> That's a plant. Don't bite it and it won't bite back.
L694[20:16:41] <Corded> > <na​dja> Because you're a cat(girl) and you can move those?
L695[20:16:41] <Li​ly> You jest, but I did actually used to have a cat
L696[20:16:44] <Li​ly> And by "a" I mean four
L697[20:17:01] <lily> It's a shame my new apartment doesn't allow pets :(
L698[20:17:01] <Na​dja> Me? Jest? I would never!
L699[20:17:08] <lily> Can't adopt a cat
L700[20:17:14] <lily> Or, rather, be adopted by one
L701[20:18:59] <Amanda> %choose 🍄 or ☢️
L702[20:18:59] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I'm 40% "☢️"!
L703[20:19:18] <lily> Amanda: Those are the same thing if you try hard enough
L704[20:23:29] <Forec​aster> Everything that is said here is 100% correct, no jokes
L705[20:23:49] <Forec​aster> %choose right MichiBot?
L706[20:23:49] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: Yes, but only if you do it right now.
L707[20:24:21] <Forec​aster> Tell a truth right now?! Uhh, the sky is green!
L708[20:24:35] <Forec​aster> Phew, that was close.
L709[21:15:23] ⇦ Quits: lunar_sam (c44a7f2987@2a00:c70:1:178:170:40:189:1) (Ping timeout: 190 seconds)
L710[21:15:51] <Va​ur> %sip
L711[21:15:52] <MichiBot> You drink a smooth tuna potion (New!). Vaur feels a strong urge to recycle the potion bottle.
L712[21:22:59] <Li​ly> ...So Jellyseer sends the password in the URL *in plain text*...
L713[21:23:24] <Li​ly> URL censored, and password mostlycensored to prove the point. It's unique to that site anyway, but still. https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722979404542.png
L714[21:24:10] <Li​ly> Not that it matters, because the site has an average download of about 9 KB/s
L715[21:24:37] <Li​ly> Slightly faster than your average dialup modem!
L716[21:42:06] <CompanionCube> I mean, given it's using TLS it could be worse...
L717[22:13:22] * Amanda adds 12 to 56 to get 5
L718[22:14:07] <Amanda> Hrm, I guess that was a load-bearing cosmic string
L719[22:14:34] * Amanda beams herself to the other side of the multiverse, hopes @nadja doesn't notice
L720[22:18:28] <Kristo​pher38> no that was just arithmetic modulo 63
L721[22:41:09] ⇦ Quits: Vexatos (~Vexatos@p200300eAeF2D8A00ea5b536768e281D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: Insert quantum chemistry joke here)
L722[23:10:52] <Izzy> I'm like 5 hours late but
L723[23:10:58] <Izzy> nice name kid did your parents pick it for you?
L724[23:18:51] <Amanda> %choose factory or space or 🍄 or ☢️
L725[23:18:51] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Oh no, not "space" again! I'll have "🍄" instead.
L726[23:21:15] <Amanda> Oh no, what am I doing -closes factory- oh nooo -launches space- oh nooooo
L727[23:29:14] <Amanda> %give MichiBot a crate of musical goblets
L728[23:29:14] * MichiBot accepts the crate of musical goblets and adds it to their inventory
L729[23:44:35] * Amanda teaches Izzy how to use data driven design to steal money from rich CEOs
L730[23:45:46] <Izzy> perfection
L731[23:50:04] <Spider ​EveryOS> %tonkout
L732[23:50:05] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Spider ​EveryOS, you were not able to beat Forec​aster's record of 5 hours, 28 minutes and 49 seconds this time. 5 hours, 11 minutes and 57 seconds were wasted! Missed by 16 minutes and 51 seconds!
L733[23:51:44] <Spider ​EveryOS> What
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