L1[00:04:55] 
<S3>
@Ocawesome101When you've been driving without them, especially if
you've just owned vehicles without them for so long in dangerous
road conditions, I've grown to appreciate how to properly steer
when you lock your tires and handle surface slip with the tires
manually. I have to drive on the ice and snow every year and in
spring on very
<S3>
@Ocawesome101When you've been driving without them, especially if
you've just owned vehicles without them for so long in dangerous
road conditions, I've grown to appreciate how to properly steer
when you lock your tires and handle surface slip with the tires
manually. I have to drive on the ice and snow every year and in
spring on veryL2[00:04:55] <Corded> muddy and slippery
dirt backroads. It's not that I think they shouldn't exist, but I
think a lot of people just never had to experience life without
them in places where they would usually be effective.
L3[00:06:07] <Ocawesome101> for abs/traction control
that makes sense.
<Ocawesome101> for abs/traction control
that makes sense.L4[00:11:37] <S3> With
air bags, they're a lot better than they used to be. They're way
safer and there's a lot more of them... They were fucking scary
when I was younger, and were actually killing people, and I've had
friends go off the road becasuse they've gone off when getting hit
just right in older cars and suddenly lost control of the vehicle
because
<S3> With
air bags, they're a lot better than they used to be. They're way
safer and there's a lot more of them... They were fucking scary
when I was younger, and were actually killing people, and I've had
friends go off the road becasuse they've gone off when getting hit
just right in older cars and suddenly lost control of the vehicle
becauseL5[00:11:37] <Corded> of the air bag. So
it's more of a ptsd / trust thing than it is practical.
L6[00:12:03] <S3> For my
mental state I just feel more comfortable wearing a seat belt and
hoping the hell I don't have a head on collision or t bone at high
speeds or a rollover or something
<S3> For my
mental state I just feel more comfortable wearing a seat belt and
hoping the hell I don't have a head on collision or t bone at high
speeds or a rollover or somethingL7[00:12:29] <S3>
Fortunately they're a lot less sensitive now too because they use
weight sensors in the seats and won't go off unless they think they
have to.
<S3>
Fortunately they're a lot less sensitive now too because they use
weight sensors in the seats and won't go off unless they think they
have to.L8[00:14:17] <S3> I lost
my brakes a coupple of times, and I was really thankful I didn't
end up hitting something spinning around a corner though and having
the air bags go off.
<S3> I lost
my brakes a coupple of times, and I was really thankful I didn't
end up hitting something spinning around a corner though and having
the air bags go off.L9[00:14:25] <S3> That's
always fun
<S3> That's
always funL10[00:15:56] <S3> Both
times I was able to steer out of the way and go around a corner or
two and take a quarter mile or so to stop. In both situations I was
driving an automatic and it really sucked not being able to use the
transmission to slow down
<S3> Both
times I was able to steer out of the way and go around a corner or
two and take a quarter mile or so to stop. In both situations I was
driving an automatic and it really sucked not being able to use the
transmission to slow downL11[00:17:20] <Izzy> half a K to stop? how
fast were you going?
L12[00:18:06] <S3> Like
maybe 30 but the thing is parking brakes aren't going to stop your
vehicle unless you use really good drums and tighten it
enough.
<S3> Like
maybe 30 but the thing is parking brakes aren't going to stop your
vehicle unless you use really good drums and tighten it
enough.L13[00:18:23] <S3> Moost
of the time, if you pull a parking brake, it's going to give a
little bit of resistance, but isn't going to actually help
much
<S3> Moost
of the time, if you pull a parking brake, it's going to give a
little bit of resistance, but isn't going to actually help
muchL14[00:18:44] <S3> This
is vastly different from my WRX by the way
<S3> This
is vastly different from my WRX by the wayL15[00:18:46] <Izzy> oh I get you your
brakes actually failed
L16[00:18:50] <S3> Which
will almost lock right up
<S3> Which
will almost lock right upL17[00:18:53] <Izzy> not that you lost
traction
L18[00:19:00] <Izzy> scary
L19[00:19:20] <S3>
Yeah... my wife makes fun of me for starting to slow down for
intersections like a quarter mile away
<S3>
Yeah... my wife makes fun of me for starting to slow down for
intersections like a quarter mile awayL20[00:19:30] <Izzy> thankfully all my
vehicles have enough back pressure that I barely have to use the
brakes in normal conditions
L21[00:19:30] <S3> like
not full braking, but like, starting to shift down
<S3> like
not full braking, but like, starting to shift downL22[00:19:40] <Izzy> it's smoother what's
to complain about?
L23[00:19:43] <S3> I'm
always crawling bby the time I get to the light
<S3> I'm
always crawling bby the time I get to the lightL24[00:20:13] <Izzy> if you're lucky you
won't even have to stop because the light will change while you're
slowing down
L25[00:20:18] <S3> She
scares me sometimes hitting the brakes going like 40 with only a
couple hundred feet left XD
<S3> She
scares me sometimes hitting the brakes going like 40 with only a
couple hundred feet left XDL26[00:20:31] <S3> That
is true happens all the time XD
<S3> That
is true happens all the time XDL27[00:20:45] <Izzy> actually really
annoying because
L28[00:20:51] <Izzy> I haven't had any
practice in a car in years
L29[00:20:55] <Izzy> so I want to practice
at the lights
L30[00:21:01] <Izzy> but they keep turning
green before I stop
L31[00:21:09] <S3> Just a
reference on air bags though, just on how scary they were in the
90s, modern air bags inflate like 8-14 miles per hour according to
google.
<S3> Just a
reference on air bags though, just on how scary they were in the
90s, modern air bags inflate like 8-14 miles per hour according to
google.L32[00:21:34] <S3> I
remember a news report in the 1990s that were warning about their
use with children in the front seats because they were deploying
them back end at speeds of almost 200 miles an hour
<S3> I
remember a news report in the 1990s that were warning about their
use with children in the front seats because they were deploying
them back end at speeds of almost 200 miles an hourL33[00:22:04] <Izzy> children should not
sit in the front seats though?
L34[00:22:04] <S3> So
forgive me if I just don't trust them XD
<S3> So
forgive me if I just don't trust them XDL35[00:22:14] <Izzy> like yeah design has
improved but kids go in the back
L36[00:22:21] <S3> No,
you were supposed to be like 12
<S3> No,
you were supposed to be like 12L37[00:22:34] <S3> But
even then it's still scary af
<S3> But
even then it's still scary afL38[00:22:42] <S3> They'd
go off like a frigging gun
<S3> They'd
go off like a frigging gunL39[00:23:12] <Izzy> as a sidenote, the
swift has a much better safety rating than the other cars I was
looking at
L40[00:23:22] <S3>
Hmm
<S3>
HmmL41[00:23:28] <S3> OH
WOW
<S3> OH
WOWL42[00:23:32] <S3> Suzuki
still makes cars?!
<S3> Suzuki
still makes cars?!L43[00:23:42] <Izzy> they make a shittonne
of swifts and a couple of other things
L44[00:23:45] <Izzy> the jimny is
cute
L45[00:23:47] <S3> Really
cool
<S3> Really
coolL46[00:23:49] <Izzy> rare practical
SUV
L47[00:23:54] <ThePiGuy24> S3: dont know
how to engine brake? ;3
L48[00:23:59] <Izzy> 1996 mazda 323 astina
tho? zero stars.
L49[00:24:06] <Izzy> swift gets 4/5
stars
L50[00:24:09] <Izzy> safety wise
L51[00:24:13] <Izzy> so that's cool
L52[00:24:22] <S3>
ThePiGuy24: I do it all the time... buut when I lost my brakes they
were automatics.
<S3>
ThePiGuy24: I do it all the time... buut when I lost my brakes they
were automatics.L53[00:24:34] <ThePiGuy24> id just simply
not drive an auto ;3
L54[00:24:42] <S3> I just
had to depend on the planetary transmission
<S3> I just
had to depend on the planetary transmissionL55[00:24:57] <S3> I
mean, I've never bought an automatic myself
<S3> I
mean, I've never bought an automatic myselfL56[00:25:16] <S3> It's
getting hard to find manuals though....
<S3> It's
getting hard to find manuals though....L57[00:25:29] <Izzy> I need to get a bumper
sticker that says basically "I'm driving a manual unlike you
cowards, if you think you can do better, honk" for when I take
more than three nanoseconds to move when the lights turn
green
L58[00:25:39] <S3>
LOL
<S3>
LOLL59[00:25:50] <ThePiGuy24> ive no idea what
my little skoda scored safety wise, but its 2 decades old so
probably not too bad, but not excellent either
L60[00:25:52] <Izzy> S3: less than 3% of
cars sold in the US are manual. dire over there
L61[00:25:56] <Izzy> 30% over here
L62[00:26:24] <Izzy> (and falling, but I
imagine we'll get electric car market saturation before that
becomes a problem)
L63[00:26:25] <ThePiGuy24> here (the UK) it
is still primarily manual, but there is a slow push towards auto
(and electric)
L64[00:26:29] <S3> It's
not a daily driver, but my truck is a ten speed with a rear end
clutch. My wife won't drive it. She's terrified of it I think
LOL
<S3> It's
not a daily driver, but my truck is a ten speed with a rear end
clutch. My wife won't drive it. She's terrified of it I think
LOLL65[00:26:47] <Izzy> DCT supremecy
L66[00:26:51] <Izzy> I desire one
L67[00:27:06] <S3> This
is a 5 speed transmission with a 2 speed differential
<S3> This
is a 5 speed transmission with a 2 speed differentialL68[00:27:09] <ThePiGuy24> manual is just
more fun, you get to do stupid things and drive better ;3
L69[00:27:32] <S3> so you
have the manual clutch for the transmission but an electronic one
for the rear axle, which- isn't hard to use but there are rules
about how you use it
<S3> so you
have the manual clutch for the transmission but an electronic one
for the rear axle, which- isn't hard to use but there are rules
about how you use itL70[00:27:42] <S3> for
example, you can NEVER change gear in the back if you're going
downhill
<S3> for
example, you can NEVER change gear in the back if you're going
downhillL71[00:28:00] <S3> and
you should never downshift with a load unless you double
clutch
<S3> and
you should never downshift with a load unless you double
clutchL72[00:28:13] <S3> That
last part.. is why the truck is on its second differential.
<S3> That
last part.. is why the truck is on its second differential.L73[00:28:45] <S3> The
guy that sold it to me had the rear axle fall out of the back of
the truck because they didn't double clutch while carrying a heavy
load.
<S3> The
guy that sold it to me had the rear axle fall out of the back of
the truck because they didn't double clutch while carrying a heavy
load.L74[00:29:21] <S3> It's
one of the top rules I learned when I watched the training material
for how to use that thing
<S3> It's
one of the top rules I learned when I watched the training material
for how to use that thingL75[00:31:03] <S3>
"Never downshift without double clutching when carrying any
weight", "Never shift the rear axle when going
downhill", and "always have the electronic clutch in the
"up position" when shifting from one gear in the
transmission to another" (includes No split shifting between
main transmisssion gears)
<S3>
"Never downshift without double clutching when carrying any
weight", "Never shift the rear axle when going
downhill", and "always have the electronic clutch in the
"up position" when shifting from one gear in the
transmission to another" (includes No split shifting between
main transmisssion gears)L76[00:31:53] <S3> As
long as you follow those rules, everything should be fine 😄
<S3> As
long as you follow those rules, everything should be fine 😄L77[00:31:59] <S3> My
wife was like "no"
<S3> My
wife was like "no"L78[00:32:10] <S3>
"Not doing it. You can drive it"
<S3>
"Not doing it. You can drive it"L79[00:39:03] <S3> Also,
having this many levers can be daunting to people. They don't know
wha to think of it XD
<S3> Also,
having this many levers can be daunting to people. They don't know
wha to think of it XDL81[00:44:10] <lunar_sam> > I need to
get a bumper sticker that says basically "I'm driving a manual
unlike you cowards, if you think you can do better, honk" for
when I take more than three nanoseconds to move when the lights
turn green
L82[00:44:22] <lunar_sam> Izzy: i also need
this but i 5k RPM clutch drop when people do that to me
L83[00:44:32] <lunar_sam> "smell you
later losers"
L84[01:03:17] <Corded> >
<Z0idburg> Both times I was able to steer out of the way and
go around…
L85[01:03:17] <JasonS>
isn't this what the handbrake is for?
<JasonS>
isn't this what the handbrake is for?L86[01:22:43] <Izzy> S3: looks like the
supercharger button in the mad max car
L87[01:43:05] <Amanda> aaaAAAaaa I can't do
steel until I get brass going
L88[01:44:29] <Amanda> And I only
discovered this after getting steel mostly set up
L89[01:55:20] <Amanda> Guess it's zzzmews
time
L90[01:56:06] *
Amanda meows stories to Elfi from the fae/spirit realm of her
subconscious
L91[02:02:14] <Izzy> new server is using
about 32W idling, down from ~100
L92[02:02:41] <Izzy> new disk array will
make up that difference, but I'm breaking even, and that's
something
L93[02:17:05] <Ocawesome101> @S3 one of my big
conditions when looking for a first car was that it had to be
manual lol. i'm curious if rev matching the downshift is the part
that makes double clutching better? i.e. if you rev match and
single clutch it if that would still save it?
<Ocawesome101> @S3 one of my big
conditions when looking for a first car was that it had to be
manual lol. i'm curious if rev matching the downshift is the part
that makes double clutching better? i.e. if you rev match and
single clutch it if that would still save it?L94[02:17:18] <Ocawesome101> because single clutch +
revmatch i'd think would just be putting more wear on the
synchros
<Ocawesome101> because single clutch +
revmatch i'd think would just be putting more wear on the
synchrosL95[02:17:37] <Ocawesome101> oh, unless you mean
shifting the rear end
<Ocawesome101> oh, unless you mean
shifting the rear endL96[02:17:41] <Ocawesome101> in which case that makes
sense
<Ocawesome101> in which case that makes
senseL97[02:21:06] <Michiyo>
This wee kand next week are going to kill me.
<Michiyo>
This wee kand next week are going to kill me.L98[02:21:17] <Michiyo>
This is my current daily drive https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1720664477555.png
<Michiyo>
This is my current daily drive https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1720664477555.pngL99[02:21:22] <Michiyo> *
week and next week are going to kill me.
<Michiyo> *
week and next week are going to kill me.L100[02:21:52] <Michiyo>
I'm not a fan, my usual daily drive is ~10 miles... lol
<Michiyo>
I'm not a fan, my usual daily drive is ~10 miles... lolL101[02:44:50] <Ocawesome101> jesus
<Ocawesome101> jesusL102[03:03:55] <S3>
@JasonS no not that all. I mentioned that. That's actually a
parking brake. It's not an "emergency breaking tool". In
most all cars that haven't been adjusted, it will not stop your car
if it is already moving at speed. You can get stronger drums and
adjust it to be tighter, but in almost any car if you just drive 45
miles an hour and
<S3>
@JasonS no not that all. I mentioned that. That's actually a
parking brake. It's not an "emergency breaking tool". In
most all cars that haven't been adjusted, it will not stop your car
if it is already moving at speed. You can get stronger drums and
adjust it to be tighter, but in almost any car if you just drive 45
miles an hour andL103[03:03:55] <Corded> pull the parking
break it will not really do anything but wear the drums down and
very, very, very slowly slow down the vehicle
L104[03:04:36] <JasonS>
huh
<JasonS>
huhL105[03:04:39] <JasonS>
then I've been misinformed
<JasonS>
then I've been misinformedL106[03:05:42] <S3> Racing
games are a huge reason for that
<S3> Racing
games are a huge reason for thatL107[03:05:52] <S3> They
make it sound like a really strong break
<S3> They
make it sound like a really strong breakL108[03:05:58] <S3>
Frigging auto correct
<S3>
Frigging auto correctL109[03:06:36] <S3>
Anyways, if you want a really strong brake, you could do what my
truck has and install what is called a driveshaft parking
brake
<S3>
Anyways, if you want a really strong brake, you could do what my
truck has and install what is called a driveshaft parking
brakeL110[03:06:36] <Michiyo>
Drift cars do modify their "e brakes" to be really strong
brakes.
<Michiyo>
Drift cars do modify their "e brakes" to be really strong
brakes.L111[03:07:11] <S3> You
have to be careful because those are very, very strong, practically
instant and can be kind of dangerous lol
<S3> You
have to be careful because those are very, very strong, practically
instant and can be kind of dangerous lolL112[03:07:57] <S3> Yeah.
My WRX is like that
<S3> Yeah.
My WRX is like thatL113[03:08:09] <S3> The
shoes are very grippy
<S3> The
shoes are very grippyL114[03:08:16] <S3> And
the handle adjustment is very tight
<S3> And
the handle adjustment is very tightL115[03:12:35] <S3> Its a
good way to wear down or damage the cylinders, drums, shoes
etc.
<S3> Its a
good way to wear down or damage the cylinders, drums, shoes
etc.L116[03:13:26] <S3> If you
can get caliper parking brakes then it's a different story, but
most all parking brakes today j still see working on cars are drum
brakes
<S3> If you
can get caliper parking brakes then it's a different story, but
most all parking brakes today j still see working on cars are drum
brakesL117[03:14:27] <S3> The
brakes connected to your brake pedals though are usually rotors and
calipers
<S3> The
brakes connected to your brake pedals though are usually rotors and
calipersL118[03:14:55] <S3> So the
rear rotors often have a built in drum to hold the parking brake
shoes
<S3> So the
rear rotors often have a built in drum to hold the parking brake
shoesL119[03:15:43] <S3> Now
you know more about brakes than you ever wanted to know
<S3> Now
you know more about brakes than you ever wanted to knowL120[03:16:08] <S3>
Trivia: never full throttle with one foot and try to brake with the
other
<S3>
Trivia: never full throttle with one foot and try to brake with the
otherL121[03:16:22] <Michiyo>
Unfortunately, no :P I already knew this.
<Michiyo>
Unfortunately, no :P I already knew this.L122[03:16:40] <S3>
Lll
<S3>
LllL123[03:16:48] <S3>
Lol*
<S3>
Lol*L124[03:16:59] <S3> I was
mostly meaning @JasonS
<S3> I was
mostly meaning @JasonSL125[03:17:08] <S3>
@Michiyo knows everything
<S3>
@Michiyo knows everythingL126[03:17:11] <Michiyo> I
figured, but I wanted to be a smartass
<Michiyo> I
figured, but I wanted to be a smartassL127[03:17:33] <S3>
Lol
<S3>
LolL128[03:17:35] <Michiyo> I
have approximate knowledge of many things
<Michiyo> I
have approximate knowledge of many thingsL130[03:18:23] <S3>
Haha
<S3>
HahaL131[03:25:58] <S3> Where
the he'll have i seen this guy before
<S3> Where
the he'll have i seen this guy beforeL132[03:27:26] <S3>
Adventure time
<S3>
Adventure timeL133[03:28:19] <Michiyo>
Yep
<Michiyo>
YepL134[03:29:29] <S3> So
this means a michiyo is some sort of super vilain
<S3> So
this means a michiyo is some sort of super vilainL135[03:29:46] <S3>
Villain*
<S3>
Villain*L136[03:30:30] <Michiyo> I
mean, obviously
<Michiyo> I
mean, obviouslyL137[03:35:17] <S3>
@Ocawesome101 yes but also that truck does not have any
syncronizers. You get used to it, but messing up your shifting
while moving slow means stopping the entire vehicle and starting
over
<S3>
@Ocawesome101 yes but also that truck does not have any
syncronizers. You get used to it, but messing up your shifting
while moving slow means stopping the entire vehicle and starting
overL138[03:36:29] <Ocawesome101> unsurprising, it looked old
enough from the pictures for that to be the case
<Ocawesome101> unsurprising, it looked old
enough from the pictures for that to be the caseL139[03:37:15] <Ocawesome101> would double clutching
_all_ your shifts make sense then?
<Ocawesome101> would double clutching
_all_ your shifts make sense then?L140[03:39:53] <S3> The
problem is the truck weighs 12,000 pounds empty. It has a capacity
of 24 000 pounds. If you are driving and you downshift, especially
if you are going on a downward slope, the weight of the vehicle
itself is pushing back on the driver rain and into the engine. At
max capacity, that means you can have the momentum of 24,000
pounds
<S3> The
problem is the truck weighs 12,000 pounds empty. It has a capacity
of 24 000 pounds. If you are driving and you downshift, especially
if you are going on a downward slope, the weight of the vehicle
itself is pushing back on the driver rain and into the engine. At
max capacity, that means you can have the momentum of 24,000
poundsL141[03:39:54] <Corded> going back into
your driveshaft. So if you don't double clutch, you risk having so
much backwards torque that the entire differential can rip out of
the driveshaft and off of the leaf springs, causing the rear able
to fall to the ground
L142[03:40:18] <S3> Drive
train not driver rain lol
<S3> Drive
train not driver rain lolL143[03:40:25] <S3> Auto
correct...
<S3> Auto
correct...L144[03:41:01] <S3> Axle
not able
<S3> Axle
not ableL145[03:42:42] <S3> You
could double clutch all of them, but in general if you are
upsetting it's not that big of a deal.
<S3> You
could double clutch all of them, but in general if you are
upsetting it's not that big of a deal.L146[03:42:57] <S3>
Upshifting damn
<S3>
Upshifting damnL147[03:43:40] <Ocawesome101> i rev match all my
downshifts but single clutch half the time because in my little
sedan it's smoother
<Ocawesome101> i rev match all my
downshifts but single clutch half the time because in my little
sedan it's smootherL148[03:44:35] <S3> It
also weighs a lot less lol
<S3> It
also weighs a lot less lolL149[03:44:53] <S3> And
you have synchromesh to help
<S3> And
you have synchromesh to helpL150[03:44:59] <Ocawesome101> i can see how you'd run
into problems if you didn't rev match. and then i'd think all
double clutching specifically would do is keep the transmission in
better shape?
<Ocawesome101> i can see how you'd run
into problems if you didn't rev match. and then i'd think all
double clutching specifically would do is keep the transmission in
better shape?L151[03:45:06] <Ocawesome101> yeah only like 2800 pounds
lmao
<Ocawesome101> yeah only like 2800 pounds
lmaoL152[03:45:46] <S3> Just
the gear ratio of the diff in that truck is somewhere between 5 and
6 to 1
<S3> Just
the gear ratio of the diff in that truck is somewhere between 5 and
6 to 1L153[03:46:09] <Ocawesome101> third gear synchro is about
half broken, the rest are fine. it has like 250k miles and i think
the previous owner beat the crap out of it
<Ocawesome101> third gear synchro is about
half broken, the rest are fine. it has like 250k miles and i think
the previous owner beat the crap out of itL154[03:46:15] <Ocawesome101> damn
<Ocawesome101> damnL155[03:46:28] <Ocawesome101> ig towing you'd need
that
<Ocawesome101> ig towing you'd need
thatL156[03:46:28] <S3> In
first gear low i do about 2 miles an hour at recline, if it had a
recline. The truck is too old to have a tachometer so
<S3> In
first gear low i do about 2 miles an hour at recline, if it had a
recline. The truck is too old to have a tachometer soL157[03:46:40] <S3> It's
very very low geared
<S3> It's
very very low gearedL158[03:47:08] <S3> And in
5 high its like 45 - 50 mph
<S3> And in
5 high its like 45 - 50 mphL159[03:47:46] <S3> It
could go faster downhill but it doesn't have the horsepower to do
it otherwise
<S3> It
could go faster downhill but it doesn't have the horsepower to do
it otherwiseL160[03:48:22] <Ocawesome101> what make / model is
it?
<Ocawesome101> what make / model is
it?L161[03:49:52] <S3> 1967
F700
<S3> 1967
F700L162[03:50:42] <S3> Should
be an FT 331 iirc
<S3> Should
be an FT 331 iircL163[03:50:49] <S3> For an
engine
<S3> For an
engineL164[03:50:59] <S3> HD
with forged crank
<S3> HD
with forged crankL165[03:56:22] <Ocawesome101> the internet is not being
helpful lmao
<Ocawesome101> the internet is not being
helpful lmaoL166[03:56:26] <Ocawesome101> that's neat tho
<Ocawesome101> that's neat thoL167[03:56:49] <Ocawesome101> and huge
<Ocawesome101> and hugeL168[03:57:04] <S3> I have
a photo
<S3> I have
a photoL169[03:57:13] <S3> Just
got to find t
<S3> Just
got to find tL170[04:05:47] <S3>
Finally. Was sifting forever
<S3>
Finally. Was sifting foreverL171[04:06:36] <S3> Sent
via dm
<S3> Sent
via dmL172[04:07:32] <S3> You
may or may not recognize just how dangerous those tires are 🙂
<S3> You
may or may not recognize just how dangerous those tires are 🙂L173[04:09:33] <Izzy> if we're doing car
photos check out my beast :3 https://shadowkat.net/tmp/261b.jpg
L174[04:11:32] <Izzy> https://cdn.shadowkat.net/media/2624f1d34cb9cda3d875c38ccf21def3c9ea3609b0ed23709f8fb2bcab9508f3.jpg
L175[04:16:07] <Vaur>
%tonk
<Vaur>
%tonkL176[04:16:09] <MichiBot> Blast! Vaur!
You beat Spider EveryOS's previous record of <0 (By 4 hours, 52
minutes and 29 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L177[04:16:10] <MichiBot> Vaur's new
record is 4 hours, 52 minutes and 29 seconds! Vaur also gained
0.00487 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need
0.0594718 more points to pass Forecaster!
L178[04:16:33] <S3>
Neat!
<S3>
Neat!L179[04:21:19] <Izzy> the bike is 17 years
older than the car
L180[04:23:56] <S3> I
still want my 80s bike
<S3> I
still want my 80s bikeL181[04:28:31] <Izzy> the Honda VT250
Spada is pretty sweet
L182[04:28:41] <Izzy> though a ZXR250 is
also compelling
L183[04:57:02] <Corded> >
<Z0idburg> Sent via dm
L184[04:57:02] <Ocawesome101> nothing obvious. are they
old, or something else?
<Ocawesome101> nothing obvious. are they
old, or something else?L185[06:16:36]
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L195[11:55:17] <S3>
@Ocawesome101 they are split rim
<S3>
@Ocawesome101 they are split rimL196[11:55:42] <S3> So
there is a locking bar holding them together
<S3> So
there is a locking bar holding them togetherL197[11:56:08] <S3> You
can't remove them without a tire cage
<S3> You
can't remove them without a tire cageL198[11:56:31] <S3> It's a
great way tty take your head off
<S3> It's a
great way tty take your head offL199[11:57:03] <S3> @Izzy
also i want this one specifically https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1720699023197.jpg
<S3> @Izzy
also i want this one specifically https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1720699023197.jpgL200[11:58:11] <S3> There
were only like 1000 of them
<S3> There
were only like 1000 of themL202[11:59:22] <S3> But
its not just an 80s bike. It says 80s all over it haha
<S3> But
its not just an 80s bike. It says 80s all over it hahaL203[12:01:05] <S3> Man
just look at that dash
<S3> Man
just look at that dashL206[12:06:34] <Izzy> on one hand, hell
yes
L207[12:06:41] <Izzy> on the other, I
imagine it would kind of suck to ride
L208[12:06:46] <S3> Found
one for $12K USD
<S3> Found
one for $12K USDL209[12:07:09] <S3> I
dunno
<S3> I
dunnoL210[12:07:11] <Izzy> bunch of weight for
a turbo that doesn't really give you anything and makes the bike
less responsive to throttle input
L211[12:08:01] <S3> It has
a 673 though so it's "enough"™️
<S3> It has
a 673 though so it's "enough"™️L212[12:09:06] <Izzy> > While the XN
did not have the power of other sportbikes, it had notably better
handling than similar powered machines due to frame and suspension
geometry.
L213[12:09:11] <Izzy> okay maybe it
would've been okay
L214[12:09:34] <Izzy> it is quite heavy
though
L215[12:10:06] <S3> I mean
it'ss a 4 cylinder too so
<S3> I mean
it'ss a 4 cylinder too soL216[12:10:08] <S3> I'd
imagine
<S3> I'd
imagineL217[12:10:26] <S3> We
didn't exactly have great technology for small cylinders back
then
<S3> We
didn't exactly have great technology for small cylinders back
thenL218[12:11:12] <S3> I
don't know much about bikes but in engines, even the 4 cylinder V
engines were enough to outweigh a small V8 sometimes
<S3> I
don't know much about bikes but in engines, even the 4 cylinder V
engines were enough to outweigh a small V8 sometimesL219[12:11:30] <Izzy> 1989 ZXR250 is 100kg
lighter
L220[12:12:04] <Izzy> more than half the
power with less than half the displacement, and no turbo lag
L221[12:12:07] <S3> 220
pounds lighter what
<S3> 220
pounds lighter whatL222[12:12:13] <S3> that's
more than an entire person
<S3> that's
more than an entire personL223[12:12:28] <S3> I
weigh like 72 kg
<S3> I
weigh like 72 kgL224[12:12:31] <Izzy> oh, was comparing
wet to dry
L225[12:12:33] <Izzy> it's more like
70kg
L226[12:12:38] <S3>
lolol
<S3>
lololL227[12:12:56] <Izzy> premium 4-pot
screamer https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/kawasaki/kawasaki_zxr250r%2089.htm
L228[12:13:23] <S3> I
always wanted a Ninja 500R in erms of more current bikes
<S3> I
always wanted a Ninja 500R in erms of more current bikesL229[12:13:42] <S3> They
are cheap and get decent mileage and quiet
<S3> They
are cheap and get decent mileage and quietL230[12:13:43] <Izzy> dunno if you got the
cool bikes over there, I think there's only a market for 40hp 1.5L
bikes
L231[12:14:01] <S3> A
friend of mine tried to sell me his suzuki streetfighter 1100
<S3> A
friend of mine tried to sell me his suzuki streetfighter 1100L232[12:14:03] <S3> I was
like eh
<S3> I was
like ehL233[12:14:04] <S3>
LOL
<S3>
LOLL234[12:14:29] <S3> A
friend of mine had a 200/250 cc Ninja and said not to buy it
<S3> A
friend of mine had a 200/250 cc Ninja and said not to buy itL235[12:14:47] <Izzy> the Ninja 250 is not
as good as the ZZR 250 that came before
L236[12:14:59] <Izzy> ZZR has 8-12hp on
it
L237[12:15:03] <S3> Mostly
becaause if you got on the interstate and you were already going 60
mph you had like no power to pass people, and would have to often
slow down and move back into the primary lane out of the passing
lane in traffic which can be dangerous
<S3> Mostly
becaause if you got on the interstate and you were already going 60
mph you had like no power to pass people, and would have to often
slow down and move back into the primary lane out of the passing
lane in traffic which can be dangerousL238[12:15:26] <Izzy> ZZR does struggle at
110 I'll admit that though
L239[12:15:27] <S3> He
said he was sad there just wasn't enough pull at speed for it, and
he had wished he got a 500 instead
<S3> He
said he was sad there just wasn't enough pull at speed for it, and
he had wished he got a 500 insteadL240[12:15:40] <Izzy> you're in the power
band but the engine has like zero torque
L241[12:15:47] <Izzy> and in 6th gear it's
pretty glacial
L242[12:16:02] <Izzy> you can shift down
to 5th but you don't want to stay there for too long
L243[12:16:15] <Izzy> not so good to sit
on 9.5kRPM
L244[12:16:26] <S3> This
is something I really like about my WRX (a car though)
<S3> This
is something I really like about my WRX (a car though)L245[12:16:39] <S3> I can
stay at redline all day long and never blow the engine
<S3> I can
stay at redline all day long and never blow the engineL246[12:17:01] <Izzy> the ZZR is
definitely designed for it, but my grandad really hammered into me
that you shouldn't
L247[12:17:18] <S3> The
benefits of an opposing boxer engine heheh
<S3> The
benefits of an opposing boxer engine hehehL248[12:17:19] <Izzy> like it goes to 15k
and the peak power is at like 11k
L249[12:17:22] <Spider
EveryOS> %tonkout
<Spider
EveryOS> %tonkoutL250[12:17:23] <MichiBot> Darn! Spider
EveryOS! You beat Vaur's previous record of 4 hours, 52 minutes
and 29 seconds (By 3 hours, 8 minutes and 45 seconds)! I hope
you're happy!
L251[12:17:24] <MichiBot> Spider EveryOS
has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.008 tonk
points! plus 0.007 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to
50% because stealing) Current score: 2.5204818. Position #1
L252[12:17:41] <S3> So, if
turbo is so latent on bikes
<S3> So, if
turbo is so latent on bikesL253[12:17:41] <Izzy> ngl I kept looking
into more modern bigger bikes
L254[12:17:55] <S3> why
not put a blower on it instead
<S3> why
not put a blower on it insteadL255[12:18:01] <S3>
supercharge it
<S3>
supercharge itL256[12:18:03] <Izzy> but nothing can
really beat the ZZR250 meaningfully
L257[12:18:24] <Izzy> they tend to be
heavier than the gain in power would suggest
L258[12:18:47] <Izzy> only reason I'd
bother is if I were regularly on the highway
L259[12:18:54] <Izzy> and I have a car for
those sorts of depressing trips now
L260[12:20:00] <S3> I
wouldn't have much interest in highways, I don't anyways
<S3> I
wouldn't have much interest in highways, I don't anywaysL261[12:20:16] <S3> Even
with my car, I often take the longer dirt road to work
<S3> Even
with my car, I often take the longer dirt road to workL262[12:20:19] <Izzy> no reason not to go
smaller then
L263[12:20:21] <S3>
becauuse it's rated like 55 mph
<S3>
becauuse it's rated like 55 mphL264[12:20:23] <Izzy> you'll have more
fun
L265[12:20:24] <S3> way
more fun
<S3> way
more funL266[12:20:35] <Izzy> what's that like
80?
L267[12:20:53] <S3>
somewhere around there
<S3>
somewhere around thereL268[12:21:02] <S3> It's a
fun windy dirt road that's super smooth
<S3> It's a
fun windy dirt road that's super smoothL269[12:21:10] <S3>
There's nothing out there
<S3>
There's nothing out thereL270[12:21:49] <S3>
WOAH
<S3>
WOAHL271[12:21:55] <S3> Google
street maps doesn't even have it
<S3> Google
street maps doesn't even have itL272[12:21:56] <Izzy> but yeah, ZZR250 is
36hp and 145kg, VT250 is 40hp and 144kg, ZXR250 is 44hp, 141kg, and
a maintenance nightmare
L273[12:22:27] <Izzy> I love the idea of
tiny 4-pot screamers but do not enjoy the idea of tuning four
separate carburetors
L274[12:22:38] <S3> They
take good care of it
<S3> They
take good care of itL276[12:24:02] <Izzy> sidenote, the ZZR
may be marginally heavier but it has full fairings and a more
relaxed design so it's comfy for back roads touring
L277[12:24:28] <S3> Maine
is absolutely full of dirt roads if you want to take the scenic
routes and most of them have no speed limit, like this one:
https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1720700668477.png
<S3> Maine
is absolutely full of dirt roads if you want to take the scenic
routes and most of them have no speed limit, like this one:
https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1720700668477.pngL278[12:24:37] <S3> That
one is super fin
<S3> That
one is super finL279[12:24:40] <S3>
Fun*
<S3>
Fun*L280[12:24:44] <Izzy> there's also the
GPX250 which is the ZZR250 engine in a Ducati Monster style trelis
frame, it shaves like 10kg off
L281[12:24:46] <S3> It
goes halfway across the state
<S3> It
goes halfway across the stateL282[12:25:34] <Izzy> yeah 138kg for the
GPX250R
L283[12:25:47] <Izzy> you could argue it's
the cooler ZZR250, but then I'd run you over
L284[12:26:52] <S3>
lol
<S3>
lolL285[12:27:44] <Izzy> friend's sister has
a GPX250, and she's put a bigger rear sprocket on it so the gearing
is all taller
L286[12:27:54] <Izzy> she's quite happy
with it on the highway
L287[12:28:14] <S3>
Huh
<S3>
HuhL288[12:28:30] <S3> Do you
have to have a special license mark to drive bikes over
there?
<S3> Do you
have to have a special license mark to drive bikes over
there?L289[12:28:31] <S3> We
do
<S3> We
doL290[12:28:36] <Izzy> but I personally
like the muscle car acceleration I get out of having gearing that
isn't comfortable at 60 until third gear
L291[12:28:48] <Amanda> %choose 1 pure or
3 normal
L292[12:28:48] <MichiBot> Amanda: The
sands of time whisper to me... they're saying "3
normal".
L293[12:28:49] <Izzy> yeah it's a separate
license class
L294[12:29:00] <S3> I wish
that the WRX had better low end torque
<S3> I wish
that the WRX had better low end torqueL295[12:29:05] <S3> That's
my biggest complaint
<S3> That's
my biggest complaintL296[12:29:17] <Izzy> two-day pre-learner
course, minimum of 3 months on learner permit, two day pre-P-plate
course, three years on P plates
L297[12:29:56] <Izzy> heh the ZZR has zero
torque below 7kRPM
L298[12:29:57] <Amanda> hrm, logistics
disagrees
L299[12:30:09] <Amanda> I also need iron
there.. oh fuck, and water
L300[12:30:14] <Amanda> so yeah, 1 pure it
is
L301[12:31:22] <Izzy> the swift and ZZR
are actually rather similar experiences
L302[12:31:44] <Izzy> minimal low-end
torque and a linear power curve peaking at about 3/4 of the
tacho
L303[12:31:46] <S3> This
is my daily driver, it has great power when you're doing 4500 RPM,
but lower it's kinda torqued out. https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1720701106455.png
<S3> This
is my daily driver, it has great power when you're doing 4500 RPM,
but lower it's kinda torqued out. https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1720701106455.pngL304[12:32:31] <S3> If you
need toruqe with it you always need to be like a gear and a half
worth lower than you want to be
<S3> If you
need toruqe with it you always need to be like a gear and a half
worth lower than you want to beL305[12:33:24] <Izzy> https://shadowkat.net/tmp/d8e3.png
L306[12:33:39] <Izzy> torque: no
L307[12:33:43] <S3>
heh
<S3>
hehL308[12:33:47] <S3> I miss
having a Jeep
<S3> I miss
having a JeepL309[12:34:03] <S3> Jeeps
are not fast, but they are low geared enogh that stepping on the
gas would pin you to the seat
<S3> Jeeps
are not fast, but they are low geared enogh that stepping on the
gas would pin you to the seatL310[12:34:10] <Izzy> the VT250 has so
much low-end torque by comparison it's unreal
L311[12:34:11] <S3> It
feels fasr, even though it's not
<S3> It
feels fasr, even though it's notL312[12:34:15] <Izzy> and it's less
torquey than the XT250
L313[12:34:15] <S3>
fast*
<S3>
fast*L314[12:34:24] <Izzy> the XT250 was
delightful
L315[12:34:40] <S3> XT250
looks like a tinny little tthing
<S3> XT250
looks like a tinny little tthingL316[12:34:40] <Izzy> ~110kg, only like
24hp, but the engine was all torque
L317[12:34:59] <S3>
Heh
<S3>
HehL318[12:35:25] <Izzy> also not fast, but
it could basically climb vertical surfaces
L319[12:35:45] <S3>
lol
<S3>
lolL320[12:35:51] <S3> Dirt
bike at that ppoint
<S3> Dirt
bike at that ppointL321[12:35:51] <S3>
LOL
<S3>
LOLL322[12:36:01] <Izzy> I mean, dual sport,
it literally is
L323[12:36:18] <Izzy> relatively big for a
dirt bike, but quite happy in the dirt
L324[12:36:32] <Izzy> plus, it can do 80
on the road if you don't mind it shaking your guts up
L325[12:36:44] <Izzy> thumper moment
L326[12:39:56] <S3> I
dunno if I would want to take a bike on the dirt
<S3> I
dunno if I would want to take a bike on the dirtL327[12:40:03] <S3> I
would probably take the 3 wheelers instead
<S3> I
would probably take the 3 wheelers insteadL328[12:40:14] <S3> Though
you can't really bring those down the road very far in most towns
here
<S3> Though
you can't really bring those down the road very far in most towns
hereL329[12:40:28] <S3> Some
of the towns here have full reign of the roads for ATVs
<S3> Some
of the towns here have full reign of the roads for ATVsL330[12:40:33] <S3> so you
can just drive down the road with them
<S3> so you
can just drive down the road with themL331[12:40:36] <S3> But
most don't
<S3> But
most don'tL332[12:40:55] <S3> It's
pretty handy when you just want to take your snowmobile to the
store 😄
<S3> It's
pretty handy when you just want to take your snowmobile to the
store 😄L333[12:40:55] <Izzy> statistically, dirt
bikes are safer
L334[12:41:01] <S3>
hahahahahaha
<S3>
hahahahahahaL335[12:41:03] <S3> skill
issue
<S3> skill
issueL336[12:41:08] <Izzy> weight issue
L337[12:41:26] <Izzy> if you flip a dirt
bike onto you, oh no, who cares
L338[12:41:30] <Izzy> quad bikes and such
weigh a lot more
L339[12:41:40] <S3> They
do but I've flopped them before
<S3> They
do but I've flopped them beforeL340[12:41:53] <S3> The 3
wheelers are more tippy, but just don't do something stupid
<S3> The 3
wheelers are more tippy, but just don't do something stupidL341[12:42:32] <S3> Yamaha
trimotos, they are very fun
<S3> Yamaha
trimotos, they are very funL343[12:42:41] <S3> Not
mine, I just snagged that from Google
<S3> Not
mine, I just snagged that from GoogleL344[12:42:53] <Izzy> goofy creature
L345[12:43:01] <S3> You
tap the gas and it wheelies 😄
<S3> You
tap the gas and it wheelies 😄L346[12:43:09] <Izzy> that figures
L347[12:43:11] <S3>
because they're shaft driven and RWD with tons of torque
<S3>
because they're shaft driven and RWD with tons of torqueL348[12:46:23] <S3> This
kid is having too much fun
<S3> This
kid is having too much funL350[13:00:29] <Amanda> %choose try and
mine sulfur or wait until you've unlocked the research
L351[13:00:30] <MichiBot> Amanda:
Elementary dear Watson, "wait until you've unlocked the
research" is the obvious choice!
L352[13:38:52] <Corded> >
<Z0idburg> Jeeps are not fast, but they are low geared enogh
that step…
L353[13:38:52] <Ocawesome101> my car will almost pin you
to the seat if you floor it in first. anything else and lol
no
<Ocawesome101> my car will almost pin you
to the seat if you floor it in first. anything else and lol
noL354[13:39:30] <Ocawesome101> it has no power, first gear
only goes to 35mph
<Ocawesome101> it has no power, first gear
only goes to 35mphL355[13:51:48] <S3> I mean
35 is really high for first even for any standard vehicle
<S3> I mean
35 is really high for first even for any standard vehicleL356[13:52:02] <S3> Like
really high
<S3> Like
really highL357[13:52:29] <S3> I
might be able to get to 25 in the wrong in first and that's pretty
high geared
<S3> I
might be able to get to 25 in the wrong in first and that's pretty
high gearedL358[13:52:40] <S3> 25 in
first*
<S3> 25 in
first*L359[13:52:57] <S3> The
truck goes like 2 XD
<S3> The
truck goes like 2 XDL360[13:53:38] <S3> The
truck is slow enough that you can actually lose momentum and not be
able i shift into second if you're going uphill
<S3> The
truck is slow enough that you can actually lose momentum and not be
able i shift into second if you're going uphillL361[13:54:15] <S3> So if
you're on a hill you just ride first gear and take your time into
you each the top
<S3> So if
you're on a hill you just ride first gear and take your time into
you each the topL362[13:54:33] <S3> Annoys
the fuck out of people
<S3> Annoys
the fuck out of peopleL363[14:18:28] <Amanda> Hrm
L364[15:29:51] <Forecaster> You need the research to
avoid opening any gateways to hell
<Forecaster> You need the research to
avoid opening any gateways to hellL365[16:07:37] <Amanda> I have made molten
brass! :D
L366[16:07:41] <Amanda> er, brass
ingots
L367[16:07:48] <Amanda> ( Out of the
molten brass )
L368[16:12:18] <Forecaster> I'd be impressed if you made
ingots without melting it first
<Forecaster> I'd be impressed if you made
ingots without melting it firstL369[16:22:50] <Amanda> Last time I did
that my hooman got called a witch and chased out of town
L370[16:41:28] <Forecaster> it'd also be very noisy I
imagine
<Forecaster> it'd also be very noisy I
imagineL371[16:52:12] <Vaur>
%tonk
<Vaur>
%tonkL372[16:52:14] <MichiBot> Dogast! Vaur!
You beat Spider EveryOS's previous record of <0 (By 4 hours, 34
minutes and 49 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L373[16:52:15] <MichiBot> Vaur's new
record is 4 hours, 34 minutes and 49 seconds! Vaur also gained
0.00458 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need
0.0548918 more points to pass Forecaster!
L374[17:01:28] <Vaur>
%sip
<Vaur>
%sipL375[17:01:28] <MichiBot> You drink a
falling iron potion (New!). Vaur gains a negligible amount of
luck.
L376[17:01:41] <Amanda> %splash
@Forecaster with mutable brass potion
L377[17:01:42] <MichiBot> You fling a
mutable void potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster.
@Forecaster turns into a wolf for 5 moons.
L378[17:01:54] <Forecaster> hey D:<
<Forecaster> hey D:<L379[17:07:47] <Corded> >
<Z0idburg> I mean 35 is really high for first even for any
standard ve…
L380[17:07:47] <Ocawesome101> 35 at 6500rpm. it's very
much an econobox. second goes to 60. and yet it cruises at 80 at
3000rpm in top (5th) gear lmao
<Ocawesome101> 35 at 6500rpm. it's very
much an econobox. second goes to 60. and yet it cruises at 80 at
3000rpm in top (5th) gear lmaoL381[17:10:46] <Corded> >
<Z0idburg> I might be able to get to 25 in the wrong in
first and that…
L382[17:10:46] <Ocawesome101> wrx is more sporty though.
makes sense that would have a lowish first gear
<Ocawesome101> wrx is more sporty though.
makes sense that would have a lowish first gearL383[17:18:20] <Michiyo>
FFS... Someone emptied my fucking bank account overnight
<Michiyo>
FFS... Someone emptied my fucking bank account overnightL384[17:18:43] <Forecaster> What
<Forecaster> WhatL385[17:18:45] <Forecaster> How
<Forecaster> HowL386[17:20:05] <Michiyo>
Great question. Seems my debit card info was stolen somehow.
<Michiyo>
Great question. Seems my debit card info was stolen somehow.L387[17:20:31] <Forecaster> Well that sucks
<Forecaster> Well that sucksL388[17:21:15] <Michiyo>
yeah, reported the fraud, bank locked my card, issued me a new card
with a new number, but sadly they have to investigate the charges
before they can reverse them
<Michiyo>
yeah, reported the fraud, bank locked my card, issued me a new card
with a new number, but sadly they have to investigate the charges
before they can reverse themL389[17:38:07] <Vaur>
%sip
<Vaur>
%sipL390[17:38:08] <MichiBot> You drink an
eroded aegisalt potion (New!). Tonk moved forward 4 hours. (Rem.
uses: 0)
L391[18:38:56] <Amanda> There, steel is
going
L392[18:40:38] <Amanda> NOw I just have to
hope I got these ratios right and it doesn't back up on the iron
side, because that'll cause a power outage. :D
L393[18:44:25] <Forecaster> what happens if it ends up on
the carbon side
<Forecaster> what happens if it ends up on
the carbon sideL394[18:44:43] <Amanda> Carbon's just
coming from a coal miner on it's own
L395[18:44:59] <Amanda> but iron is coming
from what I'm using a byproduct of to make power work
L396[18:46:56] <Forecaster> ah
<Forecaster> ahL397[18:48:53] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL398[18:48:53] <MichiBot> You drink a
muddy redstone potion (New!). Forecaster: Nothing seemed to
happen...
L399[18:59:03] <Vaur>
%sip
<Vaur>
%sipL400[18:59:03] <MichiBot> You drink a
shining radiation potion (New!). Vaur feels slightly
stronger.
L402[19:01:22] <Miko> what
am i doing wrong
<Miko> what
am i doing wrongL403[19:02:00] <Amanda> You're using too
old of a version of Java
L404[19:02:22] <Amanda> guessing you're
using the Curseforge launcher, which locks you to an ancient
version of java that doesn't accept modern ssl certs
L405[19:02:49] <Miko> well
it worked before
<Miko> well
it worked beforeL406[19:03:14] <Amanda> because the ssl
cert for github.com probably changed, as they do
L407[19:04:17] <Miko> ill
move to prism then
<Miko> ill
move to prism thenL408[19:04:34] <Miko> what
version is recommended?
<Miko> what
version is recommended?L409[19:04:46] <Miko>
(java)
<Miko>
(java)L410[19:07:03] <Amanda> a recent 1.8
L411[19:07:15] <Amanda> for 1.12 at
least
L412[19:16:10] <Miko> i'm
still getting the same error
<Miko> i'm
still getting the same errorL413[19:16:35] <Miko> and
my frames have also gone down by 100
<Miko> and
my frames have also gone down by 100L414[19:17:14] <Amanda> what version of
java did you install?
L415[19:17:40] <Miko>
1.8
<Miko>
1.8L416[19:17:47] <Amanda> ... what release
of 1.8
L417[19:17:50] <Amanda> there's like 400
of them
L418[19:17:59] <Miko>
Version 8 Update 411
<Miko>
Version 8 Update 411L419[19:18:13] <Amanda> and that's what
the instance is configured to use in prism?
L420[19:18:27] <Miko>
yes
<Miko>
yesL421[19:18:39] <Amanda> not sure then,
sorry
L422[19:19:15] <Amanda> Could be your
network has somehting that's blocking github.com if you're trying
to play from a school or similar
L423[19:26:12] <Michiyo>
If you are getting the PKIX error you're *not* using a recent
enough java version. Did you switch to Prism like you
mentioned?
<Michiyo>
If you are getting the PKIX error you're *not* using a recent
enough java version. Did you switch to Prism like you
mentioned?L424[19:26:39] <Corded> >
<Michiyo> If you are getting the PKIX error you're *not*
using a rece…
L425[19:26:39] <Miko>
yes
<Miko>
yesL426[19:27:41] <Michiyo>
Then take a look at the logs in Prism, one of the first things it
prints is the version of java it launched your instance with. Can
you screenshot / paste that here?
<Michiyo>
Then take a look at the logs in Prism, one of the first things it
prints is the version of java it launched your instance with. Can
you screenshot / paste that here?L427[19:28:27] <Michiyo>
Looks like this
<Michiyo>
Looks like thisL429[19:36:06] <Miko> i
can't give it the ram i normally give it https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1720726565833.png
<Miko> i
can't give it the ram i normally give it https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1720726565833.pngL430[19:39:22] <Amanda> Seems like you
installed 32-bit java then. Also MC can't really use 25G of
ram...
L431[19:39:35] <Amanda> There's
diminishing returns when adding more ram
L432[19:40:28] <Miko> it
worked fine on curseforge
<Miko> it
worked fine on curseforgeL433[19:44:17] <Miko>
what's smart to put here for 91 mods? https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1720727056858.png
<Miko>
what's smart to put here for 91 mods? https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1720727056858.pngL434[19:46:31] <Amanda> I've played
200-mod packs just fine with 6-8G
L435[19:47:44] <Amanda> %choose automate
caterium or continue procastinating it
L436[19:47:44] <MichiBot> Amanda: If I've
learned anything in life it's that you always pick "continue
procastinating it"
L438[19:51:10] <Miko> im
so done with prism
<Miko> im
so done with prismL439[19:51:13] <Miko>
worked once
<Miko>
worked onceL440[19:51:14] <Miko>
never again
<Miko>
never againL441[19:51:22] <Amanda> You need to
install 64-bit java
L442[19:51:36] <Amanda> You can't force a
32-bit java version to use more than 4G of ram, it's not
possible
L443[20:02:48] <Vaur>
%sip
<Vaur>
%sipL444[20:02:49] <MichiBot> You drink a
molten naqahdah potion (New!). Vaur's bed is suddenly slightly more
comfortable until they download a car.
L445[20:19:27] <Amanda> Aaand my brass
factory stopped
L446[20:19:44] <Amanda> At least my steel
factory seems to be going fine
L448[20:33:22] <Miko> can
i somehow give my server more GPU's and CPU's?
<Miko> can
i somehow give my server more GPU's and CPU's?L449[20:48:16] <Forecaster> An OC commuter can only have
one CPU
<Forecaster> An OC commuter can only have
one CPUL450[20:48:28] <Forecaster> * computer can only have one
CPU
<Forecaster> * computer can only have one
CPUL451[20:49:27] <Miko> is
there a way to override the amount of GPU's? (more than 2)
<Miko> is
there a way to override the amount of GPU's? (more than 2)L452[20:50:37] <Forecaster> I didn't say anything about
GPUs
<Forecaster> I didn't say anything about
GPUsL453[20:51:22] <Forecaster> You can put as many GPUs in a
computer as you have slots for
<Forecaster> You can put as many GPUs in a
computer as you have slots forL454[20:52:02] <Forecaster> But unless you have a program
that supports that it's not going to do anything
<Forecaster> But unless you have a program
that supports that it's not going to do anythingL455[20:54:51] <Amanda> Steel was slightly
misconfigured, so power's started failing. :D
L456[20:56:30] <Miko> is
there a not too difficult tutorial for modems?
<Miko> is
there a not too difficult tutorial for modems?L457[20:57:22] <Forecaster> The wiki
<Forecaster> The wikiL459[20:59:15] <Michiyo>
👍
<Michiyo>
👍L460[21:02:12] <Forecaster> Sounds fun
<Forecaster> Sounds funL461[21:03:38] <Amanda> aaaAAAaaa
L462[21:05:38] <Corded> >
<Ocawesome101> 35 at 6500rpm. it's very much an econobox.
second goes to…
L463[21:05:38] <S3> This
is funny because I can go 90 on third.
<S3> This
is funny because I can go 90 on third.L464[21:06:17] <S3> You
now when I am coming on the on ramp at the interstate 🙂
<S3> You
now when I am coming on the on ramp at the interstate 🙂L465[21:06:47] <S3>
Because I'm already gone 85-90 when I get to the end of it
<S3>
Because I'm already gone 85-90 when I get to the end of itL466[21:07:16] <S3> MPh
that is
<S3> MPh
that isL467[21:07:28] <S3> I
dunno what that would be in kph
<S3> I
dunno what that would be in kphL468[21:07:57] <S3> 144
kph I guess
<S3> 144
kph I guessL469[21:55:24] <Amanda> @Forecaster are
you spying on me? Turns out it was the carbon that was causing the
problem
L470[21:56:54] <Amanda> It wasn't getting
backed up though, I wasn't mining enough of it
L471[21:57:18] ⇦
Quits: Vexatos
(~Vexatos@p200300eaef12e0007315dd2cf284f251.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
(Quit: Insert quantum chemistry joke here)
L472[22:34:01] <Amanda> Well, power plant
now also has steel production in its circuit
L473[22:39:22] <Amanda> Now to wait for
power to spin back up again
L474[22:45:40] <Spider
EveryOS> %tonkout
<Spider
EveryOS> %tonkoutL475[22:45:41] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Spider
EveryOS, you were not able to beat Vaur's record of 4 hours, 34
minutes and 49 seconds this time. 1 hour, 53 minutes and 27 seconds
were wasted! Missed by 2 hours, 41 minutes and 22 seconds!
L476[22:46:36] <Spider
EveryOS> Did someone else move the tonk??
<Spider
EveryOS> Did someone else move the tonk??L477[22:47:08] <Amanda> A potion did
L478[22:47:12] <Spider
EveryOS> Ah
<Spider
EveryOS> AhL479[22:47:19] <Spider
EveryOS> Thanks
<Spider
EveryOS> ThanksL480[22:55:03] <Amanda> Woo, power is
stable
L481[22:55:57] <Amanda> Now I need to get
started on coal power though, this isn't going to be stable for
much longer, and I and think I can throw a third half-dozen bio
burners
L482[22:56:46] <Amanda> Nope
L483[22:57:07] <Amanda> My biomass
production can handle exactly 4 more turbines
L484[23:30:33] <Brisingr
Aerowing> %splash @Forecaster with mutable potion
<Brisingr
Aerowing> %splash @Forecaster with mutable potionL485[23:30:33] <MichiBot> You fling a
mutable ocean potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster.
@Forecaster turns into a rock otter until they see a star
fall.
L486[23:32:46] <Amanda> Hey! Where'd my
wolf go!?
L487[23:33:11] <Amanda> I was trying to
teach it play dead