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L3[00:41:26] <Kristo​pher38> hm, this might not be necessary.
L4[01:18:58] <Kristo​pher38> what i need to get rid of the data card seems to be implementing sign for ed25519
L5[01:19:07] <Kristo​pher38> * do to get rid of the data card seems to be implementing sign for ed25519
L6[01:21:20] <Kristo​pher38> sounds like a fun summer project
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L8[02:22:11] <fingercomp> @Kristopher38 no, actually, if you'd like to avoid requiring the data card, you need to supply your own random number generator
L9[02:26:14] <fingercomp> once you have that, make a custom libtls13 profile based on the default (non-OC-specific) one, which has all the other cryptographic stuff, including signing (secp384r1), keyex (X25519), and AEAD ciphers (AES-GCM or chacha20poly1305), none of which require the data card
L10[02:32:00] <fingercomp> a very basic yet okay RNG could be made using a hash function or HMAC (e.g. see §10 of https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/SpecialPublications/NIST.SP.800-90Ar1.pdf)
L11[02:32:41] <fingercomp> libtls13 supplies a pure Lua implementation of SHA2 and HMAC, so those don't need the data card either
L12[02:35:24] <fingercomp> (I didn't implement these because they require an initial random seed, which is something of a catch-22 on OC)
L13[02:43:39] <fingercomp> but to answer the original question: you only need signing if you're using client certificates, if which case, yes, you'll have to implement that on your own, since libtls13 doesn't
L14[02:45:03] <fingercomp> I have some notes written describing how I made the signature verification part of secp384r1, which explains much of the code in libtls13 (at least to me)
L15[02:45:42] <fingercomp> if you're interested, I can post it somewhere
L16[02:46:35] <fingercomp> could be useful for both secp384r1 and ed25519, since the code is somewhat similar
L17[02:49:30] <Re​nno> does the build floppy disk program work with schematic files? I'm assuming so but the wiki just says it uses a "plan" file
L18[02:54:23] <Re​nno> these switchboards from computronics are interesting
L19[02:54:42] <Re​nno> pondering making a button-binding api for it
L20[02:57:05] <Re​nno> such an api would take a uuid, partial or full, and "link" it to a file that handles the buttons for that switchboard 🤔
L21[02:57:05] <Re​nno> could then make it to where it remembers it and automatically links when the pc turns on
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L27[05:21:17] <Va​ur> %tonk
L28[05:21:19] <MichiBot> Heckgosh! Va​ur! You beat Spider ​EveryOS's previous record of <0 (By 5 hours, 45 minutes and 53 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L29[05:21:20] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 5 hours, 45 minutes and 53 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.00576 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.2182318 more points to pass Forec​aster!
L30[05:21:30] <Va​ur> %sip
L31[05:21:30] <MichiBot> You drink a goopy citrus potion (New!). 5 nearby pebbles suddenly shift slightly in Vaur's direction.
L32[05:34:25] <ThePiGuy24> Izzy: i might, but that feels kinda eh
L33[05:35:01] <ThePiGuy24> and i still wanna be able to use the built in usb port for shenanigans
L34[05:46:03] <Re​nno> guess no one knows if the build program from the floppy disk works with schematics?
L35[05:56:49] <Forec​aster> I've never used the build program
L36[05:56:57] <Izzy> holy shit the 5800X3D is fast; I'm rendering 1200p h264 at 2x speed
L37[06:09:11] <Redston​eParkour> fingercomp: don't we have `math.random`?
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L81[06:11:27] calamity.esper.net sets mode: +o on Lizzy
L82[06:11:31] <Izzy> net splot
L83[06:11:41] <ThePiGuy24> the net has unsplitted
L84[06:16:46] <Ocawes​ome101> izzy: 5800x3d is nice, isn't it :p
L85[06:17:54] <Izzy> best rimworld processor / 10
L86[06:18:55] <ThePiGuy24> meanwhile i just use two decade old xeons ;p
L87[06:19:29] <Izzy> I'm finally upgrading from decade-old machines to 5-year-old machines
L88[06:19:37] <Izzy> well, for some of them
L89[06:19:47] <ThePiGuy24> my gpu is atleast only 3 years old though :3
L90[06:20:27] <ThePiGuy24> the rest of the machine doesnt seem to bottleneck it that much, i can definitely tell that its underutilised if im looking, but in everyday usage i dont notice it :3
L91[06:20:57] <ThePiGuy24> i do have a more era appropriate GPU, but its novideo, and also old lmao
L92[06:21:30] <ThePiGuy24> so instead i put that in my machine with a core 2 duo :3
L93[06:21:38] <Izzy> the 980 in my mum's machine is causing issues
L94[06:21:47] <Izzy> mint keeps picking the wrong driver for it
L95[06:23:46] <ThePiGuy24> also i forgot that that machine also runs arch and its been a while, i ought to run an upgrade before it slips too far behind, if not already
L96[06:26:22] <ThePiGuy24> 1.2GiB to download, just a small upgrade ;3
L97[06:26:43] <Izzy> I now have several spare mediocre low-profile amdgpu-compatible cards
L98[06:30:40] <ThePiGuy24> pic
L99[06:30:43] <ThePiGuy24> *epic
L100[06:32:14] <ThePiGuy24> i still need to make the character LCD i hacked into the front of this thing actually do something useful
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L106[10:00:38] <Forec​aster> %sip
L107[10:00:39] <MichiBot> You drink a proprietary boneboo potion (New!). 4 nearby pebbles suddenly shift slightly in Forecaster's direction.
L108[10:14:38] <Amanda> @RedstoneParkour do *not* use math.random for cryptography. It's not a cryptographically secure rng
L109[10:15:09] <Redston​eParkour> ah
L110[10:27:36] <Kristo​pher38> libtls13 isn't secure anyway since it doesn't verify the certificate chain that the server sent
L111[10:28:06] <Kristo​pher38> I mean certificate chain of the server's cert*
L112[10:31:27] <Kristo​pher38> fingercomp: thanks for the clarification, and yes, I do need client certs. Just exploring my options for now, not sure if I'll go the path of implementing signing myself.
L113[10:40:40] <Amanda> @Kristopher38 different kinds of insecure
L114[10:44:39] <Kristo​pher38> I mean security is an all-or-nothing affair, you either have everything done right or you're not secure
L115[10:45:52] <fingercomp> assuming my crypto code is correct, libtls13 guarantees nobody else can read what you've sent, meaning it's secure even in the presense of passive MITM
L116[10:46:43] <fingercomp> if the RNG is compromised, the guarantee is void
L117[10:51:23] <Kristo​pher38> The server can still be impersonated though
L118[10:52:13] <Amanda> That's not "passive mitm"
L119[10:52:38] <Kristo​pher38> I wasn't implying it is
L120[11:48:40] <Forec​aster> I want to see your middle manager
L121[11:54:34] <Amanda> Sure, but they'll only talk to somsone who's been %splash @Forecaster with mutable cyan potion
L122[11:54:34] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable cyan potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster. @Forecaster turns into a rød frog boy until Sozin's Comet returns.
L123[12:01:34] <Forec​aster> D:<
L124[12:06:45] <Amanda> :3
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L127[14:06:09] <Forec​aster> It's slightly better than being a sword I guess
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L129[15:12:37] <Amanda> %choose do the thing?
L130[15:12:37] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I wouldn't do that if I were you...
L131[15:12:44] <Amanda> probably for the best
L132[15:42:19] <Va​ur> %sip
L133[15:42:19] <MichiBot> You drink a redacted amethyst potion (New!). Vaur gains a negligible amount of luck.
L134[15:42:23] <Va​ur> %tonkout
L135[15:42:23] <MichiBot> Darn it! Va​ur! You beat your own previous record of 5 hours, 45 minutes and 53 seconds (By 4 hours, 35 minutes and 11 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L136[15:42:24] <MichiBot> Va​ur has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.01 tonk points! plus 0.018 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 1.8013182, Position #2 Need 0.1902318 more points to pass Forec​aster!
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L139[16:32:31] <Va​ur> %sip
L140[16:32:31] <MichiBot> You drink a dusty octiron potion (New!). Tonk moved forward 1 hour. (Rem. uses: 0)
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L143[16:47:49] <Forec​aster> %sip
L144[16:47:49] <MichiBot> You drink an eroded sapphire potion (New!). Forecaster spots a shiny thing!
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L151[17:19:28] <Spider ​EveryOS> %sip
L152[17:19:28] <MichiBot> You drink a dull rubium potion (New!). Spider EveryOS's skin turn the color of caterium until they have an apple.
L153[17:27:28] <Va​ur> %sip
L154[17:27:28] <MichiBot> You drink a dangerous tiberium potion (New!). A giant boulder is rolling towards Vaur! They successfully evaded it with a 16 vs DC 15!
L155[18:11:46] <Forec​aster> Another close call
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L158[18:29:33] <Va​ur> %sip
L159[18:29:33] <MichiBot> You drink a dangerous quicksilver potion (New!). Vaur is easily spotted.
L160[18:33:27] <Forec​aster> !
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L164[18:57:54] <zippycta> ok
L165[19:01:09] <Mim​iru> well said
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L169[19:50:29] <fingercomp> @Kristopher38 I've added Ed25519 signature generation to libtls13
L170[19:51:25] <Corded> > <Mic​hiyo> well said
L171[19:51:25] <Forec​aster> Profound even
L172[19:51:48] <Va​ur> %sip
L173[19:51:49] <MichiBot> You drink a shaky amethyst potion (New!). A warp zone opens up next to Vaur. (Use %warp to jump in)
L174[19:51:54] <Va​ur> %warp
L175[19:51:54] <MichiBot> You end up in a dimension populated by sheep boys.
L176[19:57:20] <Kristo​pher38> fingercomp: I'm very grateful. That's the second time you've added something after I mentioned it, how can I thank you?
L177[20:27:49] <Forec​aster> A generous donation
L178[20:29:50] <Mim​iru> $30,000 paid directly to Michiyo's paypal should do nicely
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L180[21:04:11] <Spider ​EveryOS> %tonk
L181[21:04:12] <MichiBot> Huzzah! Spider ​EveryOS! You beat Va​ur's previous record of <0 (By 4 hours, 21 minutes and 48 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L182[21:04:13] <MichiBot> Spider EveryOS's new record is 4 hours, 21 minutes and 48 seconds! Spider EveryOS also gained 0.00436 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.0673564 more points to pass Va​ur!
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L185[22:49:01] <test12345> hello
L186[22:49:42] <test12345> goodbye
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L189[23:29:44] <Brisingr​ Aerowing> %splash @Forecaster with mutable potion
L190[23:29:45] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable aether potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster. @Forecaster turns into a transparent frog girl for 59 seconds.
L191[23:36:50] <Amanda> ! Fore turned invisi-- oh there they are
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