L1[00:06:32] <Izzy> ngl I've been meaning to
implement VLANs in Minitel for ages
L2[00:06:39] <Izzy> (by running the protocol
on different ports)
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L4[02:00:07] <Amanda> (silly) We need to
talk, Elfi. If there's girlkissers and boykissers and enbykissers,
is there fluidkissers?
L5[02:00:30] * Amanda
collapses into a pile of floof next to Elfi, does a heccen
zzzmew
L6[02:01:26] <Amanda> Night girls
L7[04:23:53] 
<Forecaster> %sip weather
<Forecaster> %sip weatherL8[04:23:54] <MichiBot> You drink a gloopy
weather potion (New!). It tastes sweet.
L9[04:30:36] <Spider
EveryOS> %tonk
<Spider
EveryOS> %tonkL10[04:30:36] <MichiBot> Darn it! Spider
EveryOS! You beat Vaur's previous record of 7 hours, 35 minutes
and 29 seconds (By 1 hour, 41 minutes and 47 seconds)! I hope
you're happy!
L11[04:30:37] <MichiBot> Spider EveryOS's
new record is 9 hours, 17 minutes and 17 seconds! Spider EveryOS
also gained 0.0136 (0.0017 x 8) tonk points for stealing the tonk.
Position #3. Need 0.75904 more points to pass Vaur!
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L14[07:34:09] <S3>
Amanda: I have over 20 VLANs deployed on my home network. I use
them for separating groups of hosts and applying security profiles
in the firewall. Ubiquiti does support VLAN tagging, and you can do
a lot of neat things with it, such as allowing only certain tags to
flow through certain ports, or setting a tag to assign incoming
traffic
<S3>
Amanda: I have over 20 VLANs deployed on my home network. I use
them for separating groups of hosts and applying security profiles
in the firewall. Ubiquiti does support VLAN tagging, and you can do
a lot of neat things with it, such as allowing only certain tags to
flow through certain ports, or setting a tag to assign incoming
trafficL15[07:34:09] <Corded> and prohibiting
clients on a port from setting their own VLAN, etc. even my WAN
connection to the Internet is on a VLAN (untagged outgoing),
allowing me to assign a public, static IP address to any host on my
network without any port forwarding or anything, even if that Host
is multiple switches tucked away behind the router.
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L17[07:38:42] <S3> In the
Ethernet header itself is a space for a vlan tag. It contains a 12
bit VLAN id which, if set to 0 is considered "no vlan".
VLAN 1 and VLANs 4094,4095 should never be used if possible. I
separate my VLANs by category in sets of 10
<S3> In the
Ethernet header itself is a space for a vlan tag. It contains a 12
bit VLAN id which, if set to 0 is considered "no vlan".
VLAN 1 and VLANs 4094,4095 should never be used if possible. I
separate my VLANs by category in sets of 10L18[07:38:42] <S3> So, in
my scheme, 10-19 are management networks to get into routers,
switches, etc. ssh and IPMI, vnc are generally listening there.
20-29 is something Else, like general purpose servers for example.
30-39, printers for example, etc.
<S3> So, in
my scheme, 10-19 are management networks to get into routers,
switches, etc. ssh and IPMI, vnc are generally listening there.
20-29 is something Else, like general purpose servers for example.
30-39, printers for example, etc.L19[07:39:14] <S3> * 4094
and 4095 should never be used if possible. I separate my VLANs by
category in sets of 10
<S3> * 4094
and 4095 should never be used if possible. I separate my VLANs by
category in sets of 10L20[07:39:15] <Corded> So, in my scheme,
10-19 are management networks to get into routers, switches, etc.
ssh and IPMI, vnc are generally listening there. 20-29 is something
Else, like general purpose servers for example. 30-39, printers for
example, etc.
L21[07:39:26] <S3> Craig
I edited by accident
<S3> Craig
I edited by accidentL22[07:39:32] <S3>
Crap*
<S3>
Crap*L23[07:39:47] <S3> I
always forget!
<S3> I
always forget!L24[09:41:41] <nadja> Amanda: you most
importantly still need (device) bridges because you need to get the
ethernet frames out of the VM and into your physical network
somehow (but luckily that also means you can do the entire VLAN
tagging on the VM host for easier configuration!)
L25[09:48:13] <nadja> I guess you could
also make your VM host be a router instead of a bridge (i.e. fancy
switch), but that doesn't change *that* much
L26[10:30:11] <Izzy> S3: I'm tagging the
PPPoE connection from my modem going into my switch so I can use
the other 900Mbps of the port on the router that would otherwise be
used with a direct connection to do teaming
L27[10:47:02] <ThePiGuy24> Izzy: those sure
are words that definitely make sense to me
L28[10:47:40] <Izzy> good to hear! for my
next trick, I'll do multiple SSIDs per access point on different
VLANs for Security reasons
L29[10:58:58] <S3> Yeah
without a large amount of nics or vnics (which is what I use) you
would need a bridge on the hypervisor but you would be able to put
all VMs on the same bridge and use bridge vlan filtering in order
to choose what VLANs go where
<S3> Yeah
without a large amount of nics or vnics (which is what I use) you
would need a bridge on the hypervisor but you would be able to put
all VMs on the same bridge and use bridge vlan filtering in order
to choose what VLANs go whereL30[11:01:53] <S3> I use
a VIC on my hypervisor, which completely bypasses the need for
bridges at all. Basically I can create virtual network cards on
demand from my IPMI console that act as full PCI decides I can even
PCI passthrough individually., and I can do VLAN trunking / access
on the virtual nics as well. Basically, I am snakimg all of my VMs
and
<S3> I use
a VIC on my hypervisor, which completely bypasses the need for
bridges at all. Basically I can create virtual network cards on
demand from my IPMI console that act as full PCI decides I can even
PCI passthrough individually., and I can do VLAN trunking / access
on the virtual nics as well. Basically, I am snakimg all of my VMs
andL31[11:01:53] <Corded> containers directly
back all the way to the router. The hypervisor doesn't manage their
network at all.
L32[11:02:30] <S3> PCI
devices*
<S3> PCI
devices*L33[11:02:58] <S3> I am
snaking*
<S3> I am
snaking*L34[11:09:04] <Izzy> openvswitch is
cool
L35[11:09:11] <Izzy> overkill for my needs,
but cool
L36[11:10:26] <Vaur>
%sip
<Vaur>
%sipL37[11:10:27] <MichiBot> You drink a smooth
silver potion (New!). Vaur hears a scream from nearby.
L38[11:19:37] <Amanda> nadja, @S3: I see,
so I'd use the vlan stuff to like put a VM on my iot vlan instead
of my server vlan, and it'd get an IP from the iot subnet
instead?
L39[11:20:19] <Amanda> It just clicked that
that's what the different vlan IDs are for in unifi
L40[11:24:38] <Amanda> I thought that the
vlans were just another way of saying a managed subnet
L41[11:27:05] <Forecaster> I don't think that pinged
properly
<Forecaster> I don't think that pinged
properlyL42[11:28:24] <Amanda> Bah humbug, @S3
^
L43[11:29:52] <Forecaster> that looks the same
<Forecaster> that looks the sameL44[11:30:25] <Forecaster>
@Forecaster
L45[11:30:35] <Forecaster> that worked
<Forecaster> that workedL46[11:30:44] <Forecaster> weird
<Forecaster> weirdL47[11:30:49] <Forecaster> @S3
<Forecaster> @S3L48[11:36:37] <Amanda> I blame the foxen,
as per my want
L49[11:53:28] <S3> I
actually don't like open switch all that much. It's an interesting
idea, but I dislike its configuration system and also it's not very
performant in high bandwidth networks because the switching itself
isn't hardware offloaded (what would you do about that
anyways)
<S3> I
actually don't like open switch all that much. It's an interesting
idea, but I dislike its configuration system and also it's not very
performant in high bandwidth networks because the switching itself
isn't hardware offloaded (what would you do about that
anyways)L50[12:00:30] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL51[12:00:31] <MichiBot> You drink a salty
gold potion (New!). The potion contained a computer virus!
Forecaster hears a maniacal laugh as their cursor flips upside
down!
L52[12:00:37] <Forecaster> aw
<Forecaster> awL53[12:07:01] <S3>
@Forecaster check out the Cisco VIC 1227
<S3>
@Forecaster check out the Cisco VIC 1227L54[12:07:37] <Forecaster> why?
<Forecaster> why?L55[12:20:49] <Amanda> @S3 I had to disable
some kind of hardware networking in my nucs because it keeps
hanging the network card and getting restarted
L56[12:42:06] <Amanda> Sophia: I have to
have "tso-offload off" in my
/etc/network/interfaces
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L59[14:01:05] <S3>
@ForecasterI figured you were responding "weird" to my
VIC card
<S3>
@ForecasterI figured you were responding "weird" to my
VIC cardL60[14:01:15] <S3> so I
told you what model it was, not that it works on non cisco
gear
<S3> so I
told you what model it was, not that it works on non cisco
gearL61[14:01:40] <Forecaster> ah, no, it was about the
pinging thing
<Forecaster> ah, no, it was about the
pinging thingL62[14:01:43] <S3>
Oh
<S3>
OhL63[14:02:07] <S3> Yeah
whats with the weird numbers
<S3> Yeah
whats with the weird numbersL64[14:02:28] <Brisingr
Aerowing> I blame Discord.
<Brisingr
Aerowing> I blame Discord.L65[14:02:40] <Brisingr
Aerowing> Those are the User ID IIRC.
<Brisingr
Aerowing> Those are the User ID IIRC.L66[14:03:07] <Forecaster> except it's not S3s user
id
<Forecaster> except it's not S3s user
idL67[14:03:24] <Brisingr
Aerowing> I still blame Discord.
<Brisingr
Aerowing> I still blame Discord.L68[14:03:28] <Forecaster> which might be why it
fails
<Forecaster> which might be why it
failsL69[14:03:29] <Brisingr
Aerowing> It's a buggy mess.
<Brisingr
Aerowing> It's a buggy mess.L70[14:04:56] <S3>
Amanda: Yeah no VLANs are incredible. You can use just about any
VLAN id you want. The reason I mentioned to avoid VLAN 1 is because
that is the VLAN that most devices use for internal use. For
example, spanning tree protocol often works on VLAN 1, but it just
untags as it goes out to whatever interfaces so you never see VLAN
1 tagged on a
<S3>
Amanda: Yeah no VLANs are incredible. You can use just about any
VLAN id you want. The reason I mentioned to avoid VLAN 1 is because
that is the VLAN that most devices use for internal use. For
example, spanning tree protocol often works on VLAN 1, but it just
untags as it goes out to whatever interfaces so you never see VLAN
1 tagged on aL71[14:04:56] <Corded> frame unless you use
wireshark on a bridge or something.
L72[14:05:40] <S3> It's
technically a security concern to use vlan 1 in your network
<S3> It's
technically a security concern to use vlan 1 in your networkL73[14:06:01] <Forecaster> you heard it here first, no
VLANs are incredible! Scientists say VLANs can't be
incredible!
<Forecaster> you heard it here first, no
VLANs are incredible! Scientists say VLANs can't be
incredible!L74[14:06:06] <S3>
Haha
<S3>
HahaL75[14:06:07] <Forecaster> more at 11
<Forecaster> more at 11L76[14:06:20] <Amanda> Huh. weird. My unifi
has the default VLAN for it's default network as VLAN 1
L77[14:06:31] <S3> It can
also be useful to choose a default vlan to "sink traffic
into" if you care about security
<S3> It can
also be useful to choose a default vlan to "sink traffic
into" if you care about securityL78[14:06:32] <S3>
yes
<S3>
yesL79[14:06:35] <S3> Cisco
does the same crap.
<S3> Cisco
does the same crap.L80[14:07:01] <S3> We
explicitly change all of our default vlans on Cisco gear to a
specific black hole vlan
<S3> We
explicitly change all of our default vlans on Cisco gear to a
specific black hole vlanL81[14:07:03] <Amanda> The only devices on
that vlan though are my dream machine and my unifi switch
L82[14:07:19] <S3> It is
not abnormal that when you dset up a vlan trunk you will have a
default vlan of 1
<S3> It is
not abnormal that when you dset up a vlan trunk you will have a
default vlan of 1L83[14:07:36] <S3> and,
on Linux usually the bridge would be tagged on vlan 1
<S3> and,
on Linux usually the bridge would be tagged on vlan 1L84[14:07:52] <S3> Which
makes sense, if you want spanning tree and other protocols to
work
<S3> Which
makes sense, if you want spanning tree and other protocols to
workL85[14:08:10] <S3> The
only thing I am recommending is not to use vlan 1 for your
individual ports to other things
<S3> The
only thing I am recommending is not to use vlan 1 for your
individual ports to other thingsL86[14:08:43] <Amanda> looks like unifi
doesn't actually let you change the default network's vlan
L87[14:09:13] <Amanda> and you can't delete
it, I don't think
L88[14:09:22] <S3> you
should be able to still not "tag" an individual port on
vlan 1 and ensure that you chose a default "pvid" for
access ports.
<S3> you
should be able to still not "tag" an individual port on
vlan 1 and ensure that you chose a default "pvid" for
access ports.L89[14:09:36] <S3>
Linux's bridge vlan filtering will let you do that
<S3>
Linux's bridge vlan filtering will let you do thatL90[14:10:46] <S3> In
reality as long as you don't tag other ports as vlan 1 for the vlan
filters and don't put things on vlan 1 directly or subnet it it
should be fine.
<S3> In
reality as long as you don't tag other ports as vlan 1 for the vlan
filters and don't put things on vlan 1 directly or subnet it it
should be fine.L91[14:11:44] <S3> Trying
not to be confusing though and I am probably not helping XD
<S3> Trying
not to be confusing though and I am probably not helping XDL92[14:12:15] <S3> I
guess the baseline is "don't put hosts directly on vlan 1.
Don't use it for anything other than Ubiquiti does
already"
<S3> I
guess the baseline is "don't put hosts directly on vlan 1.
Don't use it for anything other than Ubiquiti does
already"L93[14:12:42] <Amanda> yeah that's what I
ended up doing anyway
L94[14:12:45] <S3> 4095
is also reserved and on many devices so isn't 4094
<S3> 4095
is also reserved and on many devices so isn't 4094L95[14:12:56] <Amanda> the only thins on
the vlan1 is unifi hardware
L96[14:13:01] <S3>
yeah
<S3>
yeahL97[14:13:06] <S3> So I
was the one that was confused 🙂
<S3> So I
was the one that was confused 🙂L98[14:13:53] <Amanda> so what I gather is
I'd be able to like put things on my IoT "Network" (vlan
4) by poking at proxmox to tag a vlan for the VM?
L99[14:14:04] <Forecaster> don't do it or you'll be
arrested by the LANPD
<Forecaster> don't do it or you'll be
arrested by the LANPDL100[14:14:35] <Forecaster> %tonkout
<Forecaster> %tonkoutL101[14:14:36] <MichiBot> Kapow!
Forecaster! You beat Spider EveryOS's previous record of 9 hours,
17 minutes and 17 seconds (By 26 minutes and 41 seconds)! I hope
you're happy!
L102[14:14:37] <MichiBot> Forecaster has
stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.009 tonk
points! plus 0.008 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to
50% because stealing) Current score: 1.40557. Position #1
L103[14:15:02] <Amanda> I wasn't sure I'd
be able to do that otherwise because previously I tagged the ports
in unifi as the server vlan, but I gather I could override that in
proxmox?
L104[14:15:03] <S3> If you
find yourself making a bunch of vlans that you have to remember, I
know I can't, I have way too many. I assign a domain to every
single vlan. For example, wifi.alondo.etherealryft.net,
net.alondo.etherealryft.net, net.jita.etherealryft.net,
gensrv.jita.etherealryft.net, and so forth for every vlan. This
means that when I make
<S3> If you
find yourself making a bunch of vlans that you have to remember, I
know I can't, I have way too many. I assign a domain to every
single vlan. For example, wifi.alondo.etherealryft.net,
net.alondo.etherealryft.net, net.jita.etherealryft.net,
gensrv.jita.etherealryft.net, and so forth for every vlan. This
means that when I makeL105[14:15:03] <Corded> firewall rules, I
can make a subnet address list with a name for that domain, then
all I have to do is be like, if destination address list is
"net.jita.etherealryft.net" and source address list is
"gate.etherealryft.net" then allow port 22
L106[14:15:22] <S3> You
don't have to do this, but it makes my firewall rules and remember
what is what so much easier.
<S3> You
don't have to do this, but it makes my firewall rules and remember
what is what so much easier.L107[14:15:51] <Amanda> yeah I've got four
"networks" -- lan.home, srv.home, iot.home, and unnamed (
Guest )
L108[14:15:57] <S3> It
also makes it nice with DHCP because unless I make a cname every
device on all of my vlans have a domain name attached from DHCP
which is from their vlan
<S3> It
also makes it nice with DHCP because unless I make a cname every
device on all of my vlans have a domain name attached from DHCP
which is from their vlanL109[14:16:36] <S3> It
just gets messy quick if you have numbers all over the place. It's
also why I separate vlan categories in groups of 10
<S3> It
just gets messy quick if you have numbers all over the place. It's
also why I separate vlan categories in groups of 10L110[14:17:40] <S3> I
think 10 for example is net.alondo.etherealryft.net and 11 is
net.jita.etherealryft.net, both of which are ssh / ipmi / vnc
management networks for two separate divisions of my network, since
I separate all of my servers from my home stuff.
<S3> I
think 10 for example is net.alondo.etherealryft.net and 11 is
net.jita.etherealryft.net, both of which are ssh / ipmi / vnc
management networks for two separate divisions of my network, since
I separate all of my servers from my home stuff.L111[14:17:53] <S3> so
10-19 is the first management group
<S3> so
10-19 is the first management groupL112[14:18:03] <S3> Then
20 is like general purpose or some crap
<S3> Then
20 is like general purpose or some crapL113[14:18:11] <Amanda> I see
L114[14:18:12] <S3> 20-29
that is
<S3> 20-29
that isL115[14:19:00] <Amanda> so vlans is what
unifi is internally using for these "networks" which each
have their own subnet/dhcp leases/etc?
L116[14:21:45] <S3> It
could be. We use EdgeOS for some purposes at work but I have never
used Unifi. It should be at least using vlan 1 for things like STP
and OSPF, etc technically.
<S3> It
could be. We use EdgeOS for some purposes at work but I have never
used Unifi. It should be at least using vlan 1 for things like STP
and OSPF, etc technically.L117[14:21:57] <Amanda> Yeah I guess so,
since this is in a tooltip for what I used to assign a port in my
switch to a Network:
L118[14:21:58] <Amanda> https://matrix.camnet.site/_matrix/media/v3/download/camnet.site/xBfxuKxSeeNZVVogUVGlubIC/image.png
L119[14:22:48] <Amanda> And it has options
to control what tagged traffic is handled as (accept, only specific
vlans, deny all)
L120[14:22:52] <S3> Yeah.
I'm trying to think what my native vlan is for mine, I think I just
use vlan 9 or something which has no subnet and doesn't go
anywhere
<S3> Yeah.
I'm trying to think what my native vlan is for mine, I think I just
use vlan 9 or something which has no subnet and doesn't go
anywhereL121[14:22:55] ⇦
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L122[14:23:09] <S3> so all
of my access ports I just set to vlan 9 by defauylt and set trunks
to native vlan 9
<S3> so all
of my access ports I just set to vlan 9 by defauylt and set trunks
to native vlan 9L123[14:23:31] <S3> and
they go to the nether because I don't use vlan 9 that is not
allowed XD
<S3> and
they go to the nether because I don't use vlan 9 that is not
allowed XDL124[14:23:52] <S3> At
least that's how I use the native vlans at home
<S3> At
least that's how I use the native vlans at homeL125[14:23:55] <Amanda> So what you have
it where a vlan is just a blackhole, so anything plugged in there
without configuring the port is instead blackholed?
L126[14:24:45] <S3> That's
what we do at work and I do at home, I think you mentioned though
that Ubiquiti didn't play nice with changing the native vlan though
unless I heard you wrong.
<S3> That's
what we do at work and I do at home, I think you mentioned though
that Ubiquiti didn't play nice with changing the native vlan though
unless I heard you wrong.L127[14:25:07] <Amanda> It straight up
doesn't let you change the vlan 1 "network"'s ID
L128[14:25:09] <S3> We do
it because, at work, our scale is more than 50,000 ethernet ports.
We have to do whatever we can to minimize security breaches.
<S3> We do
it because, at work, our scale is more than 50,000 ethernet ports.
We have to do whatever we can to minimize security breaches.L129[14:25:32] <S3> And at
home, I have friends I wouldn't trust with my personal stuff going
through my network to the servers and such
<S3> And at
home, I have friends I wouldn't trust with my personal stuff going
through my network to the servers and suchL130[14:26:16] <S3> So
I've separated my network into two halves and have a border with
pretty strong defaults on security to prevent what I call a
"vlan leak"
<S3> So
I've separated my network into two halves and have a border with
pretty strong defaults on security to prevent what I call a
"vlan leak"L131[14:26:34] <Amanda> I've currently got
an IoT network, but the only thing I do with it at the moment is
throttle it, I'm htinking I'll move my hass VM onto it, and then
disallow it to talk to outside the vlan
L132[14:27:05] <Amanda> So random crap we
buy isn't getting access to my homelab servers, except for to
hass
L133[14:27:42] <Amanda> Then lock down any
ports going to iot devices to just the iot vlan
L134[14:28:03] <Amanda> ( We've got a
networked camera, and a "Streaming Box" )
L135[14:28:07] <S3> I have
GNS3 setup on my personal laptop, I could show you a topology of
what my network looks like actually. Though... I am at work and I
didn't bring my laptop
<S3> I have
GNS3 setup on my personal laptop, I could show you a topology of
what my network looks like actually. Though... I am at work and I
didn't bring my laptopL136[14:29:03] <S3> If you
haven't used GNS3 before, it's a network simulator that uses QEMU,
so I can set up VMs with Linux / BSD, run docker containers,
wireshark instances on links, virtualized Mikrotik / Cisco routers
etc
<S3> If you
haven't used GNS3 before, it's a network simulator that uses QEMU,
so I can set up VMs with Linux / BSD, run docker containers,
wireshark instances on links, virtualized Mikrotik / Cisco routers
etcL137[14:29:11] <S3>
However Ubiquiti is dumb and doesn't give us VM images
<S3>
However Ubiquiti is dumb and doesn't give us VM imagesL138[14:29:27] <S3> It
would be nice if they did because then you could simulate and test
your config on GNS3 before deploying
<S3> It
would be nice if they did because then you could simulate and test
your config on GNS3 before deployingL139[14:29:43] <S3>
Mikrotik actually has a VM of its own Router OS
<S3>
Mikrotik actually has a VM of its own Router OSL140[14:30:05] <S3> I use
Mikrotiks at home so I can simulate everything at home all in GNS3
then just copy configs over
<S3> I use
Mikrotiks at home so I can simulate everything at home all in GNS3
then just copy configs overL141[14:31:04] <S3> The
problem, is that Mikrotiks practically require you to be a network
engineer to even understand them, so I don't generally recommend
them to people even though I absolutely love their products. It's
sucky.
<S3> The
problem, is that Mikrotiks practically require you to be a network
engineer to even understand them, so I don't generally recommend
them to people even though I absolutely love their products. It's
sucky.L142[14:31:58] <Amanda> Oh hey, all the
Port Profiles I made using Terraform awhile ago are all defaulted
to deny non-default vlans:
L143[14:31:59] <Amanda> https://matrix.camnet.site/_matrix/media/v3/download/camnet.site/LFiGOwwZgQVttzBkdZAxWLTT/image.png
L144[14:32:29] <Amanda> So stuff in the
IoT profile can't jump vlans, that's nice
L145[14:32:56] <S3> Oh
neat. Like an interface template or something?
<S3> Oh
neat. Like an interface template or something?L146[14:33:06] <Amanda> Yeah
L147[14:33:11] <S3> That's
cool
<S3> That's
coolL148[14:33:34] <Amanda> Instead of setting
all the options in each port, I can go to the port and select
"Servers (No PoE)" and it'll go on the server vlan, and
disable PoE if that port supports it
L149[14:34:06] ***
Skye is now known as skyem123
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L151[14:36:27] <S3> I have
to be careful right now because when I add a new vlan to a port I
have to replace all tagged vlans, there's a way to add them
individually but it's not that intuitive. I'm looking to replace
this with Ansible tasks
<S3> I have
to be careful right now because when I add a new vlan to a port I
have to replace all tagged vlans, there's a way to add them
individually but it's not that intuitive. I'm looking to replace
this with Ansible tasksL152[14:36:32] ***
skyem is now known as Skye
L153[14:36:54] <S3> The
problem is I could slip up and forget to re-add an interface to a
vlan and pull one out
<S3> The
problem is I could slip up and forget to re-add an interface to a
vlan and pull one outL154[14:37:17] <S3> It's
not as dangerous as cisco though
<S3> It's
not as dangerous as cisco thoughL155[14:38:33] <Amanda> I wonder how bad
it'd be if I started changing the network's VLAN ids with a bunch
of devices connected. I imagine not bad since at the moment it's
all controlled by Native VLAN configs
L156[14:38:52] <Amanda> I'm kinda tempted
to steal your scheme
L157[14:42:12] <Amanda> %p
L158[14:42:13] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
Amanda 0.28s
L159[14:42:23] <Amanda> Answer: It causes
wifi to be restarted
L160[14:42:29] <Amanda> interesting
L161[14:56:59] <Forecaster> Could be worse
<Forecaster> Could be worseL162[15:01:25] <Amanda> indeed, it was. I
had to restart the dream machine because wifi wouldn' connect after
changing it's VLAN
L163[15:02:09] <Amanda> %p
L164[15:02:10] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
Amanda 0.29s
L165[15:12:46] <Forecaster> Ohno
<Forecaster> OhnoL166[15:20:36] <S3>
Amanda: changing VLANs shouldn't do anything. The risk you run into
is when you have multiple switches with redundant links and you
might accidentally create a loop somewhere
<S3>
Amanda: changing VLANs shouldn't do anything. The risk you run into
is when you have multiple switches with redundant links and you
might accidentally create a loop somewhereL167[15:21:18] <S3> If you
do, you should be aware that low bandwidth loops on decent network
hardware can take weeks to show up hahaha
<S3> If you
do, you should be aware that low bandwidth loops on decent network
hardware can take weeks to show up hahahaL168[15:22:49] <S3>
Spanning tree will try to prevent loops on trunks, but if you
create a loop using access ports spanning tree isn't going to block
it even with bpdu guard enabled as long as bpdus aren't being
received on the ports.
<S3>
Spanning tree will try to prevent loops on trunks, but if you
create a loop using access ports spanning tree isn't going to block
it even with bpdu guard enabled as long as bpdus aren't being
received on the ports.L169[15:23:05] <S3> I'm
assuming your setup is simple enough not to need spanning tree
though
<S3> I'm
assuming your setup is simple enough not to need spanning tree
thoughL170[15:23:29] <Amanda> I assume that
applies when there's more than one ethernet connection between the
switches? Therre's just a simple tree at the moment, Modem ->
Dream MAchine -> Network Switch, each with a single ethernet
connection between them
L171[15:24:49] <S3> Yeah.
When you start connecting multiple paths between your
switches
<S3> Yeah.
When you start connecting multiple paths between your
switchesL172[15:25:53] <S3> You
can still technically loop bridges on a single link but
<S3> You
can still technically loop bridges on a single link butL173[15:26:04] <S3> You
will probably notice the performance issues much faster
<S3> You
will probably notice the performance issues much fasterL174[15:26:11] <S3> And
it's unlikely
<S3> And
it's unlikelyL175[15:26:44] <S3> That
would be a "why are you doing that" sort of moment
<S3> That
would be a "why are you doing that" sort of momentL176[15:30:57] <S3> We
have to be super careful where I work at our scale because most all
of our switches have two links to one another
<S3> We
have to be super careful where I work at our scale because most all
of our switches have two links to one anotherL177[15:31:58] <S3> We
implement a lot of security profiles to prevent people from doing
stupid stuff, but as a network engineer I can loop it by accident
pretty easily if I am not careful, and since a lot of our buildings
are at dual 10 gig links, they would go down in a matter of
secconds if I looped it
<S3> We
implement a lot of security profiles to prevent people from doing
stupid stuff, but as a network engineer I can loop it by accident
pretty easily if I am not careful, and since a lot of our buildings
are at dual 10 gig links, they would go down in a matter of
secconds if I looped itL178[15:32:41] <S3> If a
regular user looped the network with their IP phone or something
though it would shut off their port pretty much immediately
<S3> If a
regular user looped the network with their IP phone or something
though it would shut off their port pretty much immediatelyL179[15:32:54] <S3> So our
biggest threat is us engineers XD
<S3> So our
biggest threat is us engineers XDL180[15:45:50] <Corded> >
<Forecaster> I don't think that pinged properly
L181[15:45:50] <Mimiru>
SO, there is another user with the nickname "S3" in a
server Corded is also in. their username is different, but the ping
tries to match on S3 first... Hmm
<Mimiru>
SO, there is another user with the nickname "S3" in a
server Corded is also in. their username is different, but the ping
tries to match on S3 first... HmmL182[15:46:46] <Mimiru> I
should see if I can make it match only on users in the same server
the message came from. Though currently it just loads all users
into its cache
<Mimiru> I
should see if I can make it match only on users in the same server
the message came from. Though currently it just loads all users
into its cacheL183[15:48:48] <Mimiru>
https://github.com/CaitlynMainer/Yuri/blob/main/yuri.js#L264-L284
Yeah, it just searches the entire cached user list, so all users in
all servers
<Mimiru>
https://github.com/CaitlynMainer/Yuri/blob/main/yuri.js#L264-L284
Yeah, it just searches the entire cached user list, so all users in
all serversL184[15:48:59] <Amanda> There, put the
networked camera on it's own VLAN, which has no internet access,
and only can talk to the other VLANs if the other VLAN initiates
the connection. Also the guest VLAN simply can't talk to the
cameras at all
L185[15:49:40] <Amanda> At least, I think
that's what I did
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L187[15:54:02] <S3> Mimiru
I could change my nickname
<S3> Mimiru
I could change my nicknameL188[15:54:06] <Mimiru>
Nah
<Mimiru>
NahL189[15:54:37] <Amanda> @Z0idberg Do you
know how vlans work in /etc/network/interfaces? It seems that's
what proxmox uses to determine what devices to list for a VM to
connect to, how would I add a new bridge for VLAN 30 (My IoT
VLAN)
L190[15:54:52] <Amanda> At least I assume
I'd need a new bridge
L191[15:55:00] <Michiyo> @z0idburg
Test
L192[15:55:10] <Michiyo> Ok, so MY ping
worked, but Amanda's didn't
L193[15:55:12] <S3>
Hi
<S3>
HiL194[15:55:21] <Amanda> I'm guessing it's
becaus eI did uppercase-Z
L195[15:55:29] <Michiyo> I guess account
name pings are case sensitive?
L196[15:55:51] <S3> Last I
checked /etc/network/interfaces is debians or systemd's config
thing right?
<S3> Last I
checked /etc/network/interfaces is debians or systemd's config
thing right?L197[15:55:57] <Amanda> debian's
yeah
L198[15:56:15] <S3> I've
definitely used it before but I also remember not knowing for sure
if what I was entering was "correct" either
<S3> I've
definitely used it before but I also remember not knowing for sure
if what I was entering was "correct" eitherL199[15:56:37] <Mimiru>
The switch from /etc/network/interface to netplan confused me... I
still screw up a lot.
<Mimiru>
The switch from /etc/network/interface to netplan confused me... I
still screw up a lot.L200[15:56:39] <S3> Debian
has good documentation on it iirc...
<S3> Debian
has good documentation on it iirc...L201[15:57:18] <S3> Here's
part of it I think
<S3> Here's
part of it I thinkL203[15:57:20] <Amanda> I've got my
proxmox nodes /etc/network/interfaces handled by ansible, so I can
propigate the "tso-offload off" setting I need to stop
networking getting flaky af from the hardware impl of that
hanging
L204[15:57:34] <S3> Not
sure if you saw that, but I remember part of it being on here
<S3> Not
sure if you saw that, but I remember part of it being on hereL205[15:57:45] <S3> I do
remember you have like, two ways to configure them
<S3> I do
remember you have like, two ways to configure themL206[15:57:57] <S3> A) You
could use Linux's vlan subinterface thing
<S3> A) You
could use Linux's vlan subinterface thingL207[15:58:08] <S3> I
kinda hate that mechanism to be honest
<S3> I
kinda hate that mechanism to be honestL208[15:58:26] <S3> B) you
can configure bridges in that directory for your network interface
configuration and set up vlan filtering
<S3> B) you
can configure bridges in that directory for your network interface
configuration and set up vlan filteringL209[15:58:37] <S3> That's
the one I think I had trouble finding good documentation for
<S3> That's
the one I think I had trouble finding good documentation forL210[15:58:50] <S3> The
one I linked you is the subinterface method
<S3> The
one I linked you is the subinterface methodL211[15:58:53] <Amanda> Looks like I can
do this? https://cumulusnetworks.github.io/ifupdown2/ifupdown2/userguide.html#using-templates
L212[15:59:52] <Amanda> at least the
syntax that template would compile to
L213[16:00:21] <S3> Yeah.
It looks likle that uses the subinterfaces method, so if you prefer
that route, it should work for that
<S3> Yeah.
It looks likle that uses the subinterfaces method, so if you prefer
that route, it should work for thatL214[16:00:26] <S3>
There's also this:
<S3>
There's also this:L215[16:00:26] <S3>
https://computingpost.medium.com/create-linux-bridge-on-vlan-interface-in-debian-11-10-e5679e3894bd
<S3>
https://computingpost.medium.com/create-linux-bridge-on-vlan-interface-in-debian-11-10-e5679e3894bdL216[16:00:47] <Amanda> Oh...
L217[16:00:48] <Amanda> https://matrix.camnet.site/_matrix/media/v3/download/camnet.site/HQHpTAPZMnaCyoiDCFKvltxf/image.png
L218[16:01:05] <Amanda> There's just a box
for it in the VM Network config
L219[16:01:06] <S3> Which
is a more thorough example of subinterfaces
<S3> Which
is a more thorough example of subinterfacesL220[16:01:11] <S3> Oh
neat
<S3> Oh
neatL221[16:01:23] <S3> Hmm. I
wonder how that works under the hood
<S3> Hmm. I
wonder how that works under the hoodL222[16:01:31] <S3> if
it's just a filter or a vlan interface or what
<S3> if
it's just a filter or a vlan interface or whatL223[16:02:47] <S3> you
could set a vlan tag then do an ifconfig, a bidge vlan show, and
maybe I think, brctl show to see what method it uses
<S3> you
could set a vlan tag then do an ifconfig, a bidge vlan show, and
maybe I think, brctl show to see what method it usesL224[16:03:23] <S3> if you
see anything in bridge vlan show, then it is using vlan filtering
under the hood
<S3> if you
see anything in bridge vlan show, then it is using vlan filtering
under the hoodL225[16:04:03] <S3> This
all isn't required but it might help to understand how proxmox is
setting up your network just for being in the know
<S3> This
all isn't required but it might help to understand how proxmox is
setting up your network just for being in the knowL226[16:17:20] <Mimiru> I
either fixed it, or broke relying entierly let's find out!
<Mimiru> I
either fixed it, or broke relying entierly let's find out!L227[16:17:24] <Mimiru>
!update
<Mimiru>
!updateL228[16:17:24] ⇦
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(Remote host closed the connection)
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L231[16:17:41] <Michiyo> @Mimiru
Test
L232[16:17:45] <Michiyo> Yep
L233[16:17:48] <Michiyo> @Michiyo
Test
L234[16:17:51] <Michiyo> ok..
L235[16:17:55] <Michiyo> @S3 test
L236[16:18:01] <Michiyo> yep, broke the
shit out of it lol
L237[16:18:06] <Amanda> :D
L238[16:18:27] <Michiyo> Relaying DOES
work, but now ONLY account name pings work. lol
L239[16:29:23] <S3>
Ha
<S3>
HaL240[16:30:16] *
Amanda disallows the IoT VLAN to access anything in the servers
VLAN except for the pihole servers
L241[16:30:46] <Amanda> this is kinda fun,
assuming I've even done any of this right
L242[16:35:07] <S3> well
you can try sending network traffic from other vlans and see if
they drop
<S3> well
you can try sending network traffic from other vlans and see if
they dropL243[16:35:08] <S3>
OH
<S3>
OHL244[16:35:14] <S3> OH I
almost completely forgot
<S3> OH I
almost completely forgotL245[16:35:51] <S3> IF you
use routing on proxmox, you "might" have to set a
firewall rule that says any vlan interface can't route to another
vlan interface (unless a rule says otherwise)
<S3> IF you
use routing on proxmox, you "might" have to set a
firewall rule that says any vlan interface can't route to another
vlan interface (unless a rule says otherwise)L246[16:36:22] <S3> For
example... Let's say that your proxmox server had a vlan interface
with an IP address as a gateway for every VLAN you had
<S3> For
example... Let's say that your proxmox server had a vlan interface
with an IP address as a gateway for every VLAN you hadL247[16:36:41] <S3> if you
have layer 3 routing, the devices on each vlan could talk to
eachother by crossing the router
<S3> if you
have layer 3 routing, the devices on each vlan could talk to
eachother by crossing the routerL248[16:37:02] <S3> To fix
this on Linux, I add every vlan interface to a list called
"vlan"
<S3> To fix
this on Linux, I add every vlan interface to a list called
"vlan"L249[16:37:16] <S3> then I
just made a firewall rule that just says drop all from vlan to
vlan
<S3> then I
just made a firewall rule that just says drop all from vlan to
vlanL250[16:37:17] <S3>
XD
<S3>
XDL251[16:37:32] <S3>
Proxmox might be smarter than that
<S3>
Proxmox might be smarter than thatL252[16:40:07] <S3> You
could also just have a rule at the buttom that just says drop
everything I guess
<S3> You
could also just have a rule at the buttom that just says drop
everything I guessL253[17:05:35] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL254[17:05:36] <MichiBot> You drink an
oxidised honey potion (New!). A genie appears out of the empty
bottle, turns it into a pie, then vanishes.
L255[17:05:47] <Forecaster> Oh free pie
<Forecaster> Oh free pieL256[17:07:09] <gruetzkopf> on ~oldish
cisco gear some VLANs around 1000 (forgot the exact IDs ) are
reserved for FDDI/Tokenring... interop
L257[17:09:03] <S3> Cisco
interestingly enough does a lot of weird shit sometimes
<S3> Cisco
interestingly enough does a lot of weird shit sometimesL258[17:09:34] <S3> Though
IOS XE has smoothed out pretty well, now that we're using 9000
series hardware
<S3> Though
IOS XE has smoothed out pretty well, now that we're using 9000
series hardwareL259[17:12:50] <Spider
EveryOS> %tonk
<Spider
EveryOS> %tonkL260[17:12:50] <MichiBot> Wow! Spider
EveryOS! You beat Forecaster's previous record of <0 (By 2
hours, 58 minutes and 15 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L261[17:12:51] <MichiBot> Spider EveryOS's
new record is 2 hours, 58 minutes and 15 seconds! Spider EveryOS
also gained 0.00297 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3.
Need 0.75607 more points to pass Vaur!
L262[18:04:28] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> is there a way to expand pc ram? mineos is
complaining despite having max level
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> is there a way to expand pc ram? mineos is
complaining despite having max levelL263[18:06:14] <Forecaster> A server have more slots for
ram
<Forecaster> A server have more slots for
ramL264[18:06:27] <Forecaster> * has more slots for
ram
<Forecaster> * has more slots for
ramL265[18:13:01] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> can you use a server like a computer?
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> can you use a server like a computer?L266[18:13:30] <Mimiru> A
sever *is* a computer.
<Mimiru> A
sever *is* a computer.L267[18:14:19] <Forecaster> Of course not, in only
allowed to give useless advice since that one court case
<Forecaster> Of course not, in only
allowed to give useless advice since that one court caseL268[18:14:27] <Forecaster> * I'm only allowed to give
useless advice since that one court case
<Forecaster> * I'm only allowed to give
useless advice since that one court caseL269[18:14:33] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> i mean connecting it to peripherals
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> i mean connecting it to peripheralsL270[18:14:43] <Mimiru>
It's *literally* a computer.
<Mimiru>
It's *literally* a computer.L271[18:14:48] <Forecaster> Why wouldn't you
<Forecaster> Why wouldn't youL272[18:14:56] <Mimiru>
The rack can be configured to pass a side directly to a
server.
<Mimiru>
The rack can be configured to pass a side directly to a
server.L273[18:15:09] <Forecaster> Maybe you should just try
it
<Forecaster> Maybe you should just try
itL274[18:15:30] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> yeah, i just dont have a ton of time and wanted
to check
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> yeah, i just dont have a ton of time and wanted
to checkL275[18:15:56] <Mimiru> It
took more time to ask and wait for an answer than it would have to
just drop a rack and slap a server in it. But ok.
<Mimiru> It
took more time to ask and wait for an answer than it would have to
just drop a rack and slap a server in it. But ok.L276[18:16:21] <Forecaster> Well, assuming creative
mode
<Forecaster> Well, assuming creative
modeL277[18:17:50] <Mimiru> I
guess I may be unique that I do testing of stuff like that in a
creative world. *shrug*
<Mimiru> I
guess I may be unique that I do testing of stuff like that in a
creative world. *shrug*L278[18:18:29] <Elfi> %splash Forecaster
with mutable potion
L279[18:18:29] <MichiBot> You fling a
mutable violium potion (New!) that splashes onto Forecaster.
Forecaster turns into a rubium dragon girl until someone turns on a
lamp.
L280[18:18:48] <Elfi> Well, that's
tragic
L281[18:18:53] <Elfi> On one hand, dragon
girl. On the other, lämp
L282[18:19:47] <Forecaster> Hey D:
<Forecaster> Hey D:L283[18:22:34] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> help, server gave error- no bootable medium
found; /init.lua
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> help, server gave error- no bootable medium
found; /init.luaL284[18:25:14] <Forecaster> ...
<Forecaster> ...L285[18:25:42] <Forecaster> So put something bootable in
it
<Forecaster> So put something bootable in
itL286[18:25:52] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> ? i put in an eprom
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> ? i put in an epromL287[18:26:09] <Forecaster> Which one
<Forecaster> Which oneL288[18:26:34] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> normal wouldnt work, lua gave that error
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> normal wouldnt work, lua gave that errorL289[18:26:51] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> * "normal" wouldnt work, lua gave
that error
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> * "normal" wouldnt work, lua gave
that errorL290[18:27:31] <Forecaster> The lua bios eeprom tries to
load an operating system from attached storage
<Forecaster> The lua bios eeprom tries to
load an operating system from attached storageL291[18:27:46] <Forecaster> I'd there is none it will
give that error
<Forecaster> I'd there is none it will
give that errorL292[18:28:02] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> wait so i need to preload a drive?
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> wait so i need to preload a drive?L293[18:28:04] <Forecaster> The "normal" one is
just an empty eeprom
<Forecaster> The "normal" one is
just an empty eepromL294[18:28:37] <Corded> > <the 4
dogs of the apocolypse> wait so i need to preload a
drive?
L295[18:28:38] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> oor am i just misunderstanding?
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> oor am i just misunderstanding?L296[18:28:47] <Forecaster> You need an OS on a floppy or
installed on a disk
<Forecaster> You need an OS on a floppy or
installed on a diskL297[18:29:12] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> but... i can't find a slot for a disc...
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> but... i can't find a slot for a disc...L298[18:29:21] <Mimiru>
Servers don't have a floppy drive. So either an external floppy
drive or a HDD with OpenOS
<Mimiru>
Servers don't have a floppy drive. So either an external floppy
drive or a HDD with OpenOSL299[18:29:28] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> oh
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> ohL300[18:29:32] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> one sec
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> one secL301[18:29:42] <Amanda> There's a floppy
drive you can put in the rack as well
L302[18:31:04] <Forecaster> It's floppy disk, not
disc
<Forecaster> It's floppy disk, not
discL303[18:31:58] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> yeah, ik but mispelled. also i found the drive,
it works now. thnx
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> yeah, ik but mispelled. also i found the drive,
it works now. thnxL304[18:33:05] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> hey... does the remote terminal work? i cant
bind it even though im shift-RCing it
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> hey... does the remote terminal work? i cant
bind it even though im shift-RCing itL305[18:33:26] <Forecaster> What remote terminal
<Forecaster> What remote terminalL306[18:33:33] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> the item?
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> the item?L307[18:33:57] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> it says to src the rack
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> it says to src the rackL308[18:34:11] <Forecaster> Oh, did you put the terminal
server in the rack?
<Forecaster> Oh, did you put the terminal
server in the rack?L309[18:34:17] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> oh
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> ohL310[18:34:20] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> mb
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> mbL311[18:35:20] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> k... moment of truth...
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> k... moment of truth...L312[18:35:54] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> yay! mineos works
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> yay! mineos worksL313[18:36:05] <Forecaster> Also, just so you know, we
don't provide support for mineos
<Forecaster> Also, just so you know, we
don't provide support for mineosL314[18:36:27] <Forecaster> Nobody here uses it that I'm
aware of
<Forecaster> Nobody here uses it that I'm
aware ofL315[18:37:08] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> thats fine. i just need help with the base
mod
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> thats fine. i just need help with the base
modL316[18:40:40] <S3> @the 4
dogs of the apocolypseWait WAIT WAIT WAIT. You are playing a game,
which is a thing that people use for the purpose of WASTING TIME,
and you are complaining about not having a lot of time. What the
heck?
<S3> @the 4
dogs of the apocolypseWait WAIT WAIT WAIT. You are playing a game,
which is a thing that people use for the purpose of WASTING TIME,
and you are complaining about not having a lot of time. What the
heck?L317[18:41:01] <S3>
Literally makes no sense.
<S3>
Literally makes no sense.L318[18:41:11] <S3> Games
waste time. It's what they do.
<S3> Games
waste time. It's what they do.L319[18:41:21] <S3> That
can be a good or a bad thing.
<S3> That
can be a good or a bad thing.L320[18:41:26] <S3> But in
the end, they waste time.
<S3> But in
the end, they waste time.L321[18:43:36] <Forecaster> Well, there's wasting time in
something you want to, and wasting time you don't want to
<Forecaster> Well, there's wasting time in
something you want to, and wasting time you don't want toL322[18:43:47] <Forecaster> * on something you want to,
and wasting time you don't want to
<Forecaster> * on something you want to,
and wasting time you don't want toL323[18:47:53] <S3>
Yeah
<S3>
YeahL324[18:48:16] <S3>
Dopamine based attention span?
<S3>
Dopamine based attention span?L325[18:49:34] <S3>
Here
<S3>
HereL327[18:49:36] <S3>
woohoo
<S3>
woohooL328[18:49:48] <S3>
"Server's are basically computers in item format"
<S3>
"Server's are basically computers in item format"L329[18:50:26] <S3> I am
an asshole today
<S3> I am
an asshole todayL330[18:50:30] <lunar_sam> i need to see
how servers work under the hood
L331[18:50:39] <lunar_sam> use that to
create compute cards
L332[18:50:52] <lunar_sam> i might work on
OSSM, who knows
L333[18:51:00] <S3> Oh
hey
<S3> Oh
heyL334[18:51:04] <S3> Where
have you been?
<S3> Where
have you been?L335[18:51:05] <S3>
Stranger 😛
<S3>
Stranger 😛L336[18:51:24] <lunar_sam> working and
sleeping, life's slowly driving me insane :v
L337[18:52:10] <lunar_sam> ~also playing a
particular, terrible free to play game with fighter jets and
tanks~
L338[18:57:15] <S3> Oh
yeah?
<S3> Oh
yeah?L339[18:57:19] <S3> That
sounds normal
<S3> That
sounds normalL340[19:02:10] <lunar_sam> yeah
L341[19:02:31] <lunar_sam> i just ramble
to izzy sometimes lmao, haven't done much programming in a
while
L342[19:35:36] *
Amanda offers Elfi some snacks while she waits for the hot-box to
get hot
L343[20:57:35] <gruetzkopf> meow
L344[21:04:07] *
Amanda meows hello yo gruetzkopf:
L345[21:11:03] <Corded> >
<Z0idburg> @the 4 dogs of the apocolypseWait WAIT WAIT WAIT.
You are p…
L346[21:11:03] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> i wanted to have eenough time to waste with the
actual game instead of troubleshooting something in the game.
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> i wanted to have eenough time to waste with the
actual game instead of troubleshooting something in the game.L347[21:13:43] <Amanda> %choose
laptopnaptime?
L348[21:13:43] <MichiBot> Amanda: Hm,
yeah okay.
L349[21:14:40] *
Amanda curls up around Elfi, tries to decide what story about
sufficiently advanced technology to read, the one with a panther
girl, or the one where aliens turn a city into a magical girl
reality TV show
L350[21:20:49] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> hey so, what is "relay mode", and can
to servers be used in tandem for additional resources? like
rerdstone cards and such?
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> hey so, what is "relay mode", and can
to servers be used in tandem for additional resources? like
rerdstone cards and such?L351[21:21:51] <Izzy> relay mode decides
whether the rack will relay network packets between the different
sides
L352[21:21:53] <Izzy> it's quite slow
tho
L353[21:22:01] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> ok.
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> ok.L354[21:22:14] *
Amanda meows good meowning to Izzy
L355[21:22:14] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> and what about the tandem thing?
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> and what about the tandem thing?L356[21:22:30] <Amanda> If someone writes
software for that sure
L357[21:22:38] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> huh
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> huhL358[21:22:47] <Amanda> Afaik nobody has
though.
L359[21:22:47] <Izzy> redstone cards can
be proxied over minitel RPC
L360[21:22:49] <Izzy> :)
L361[21:23:02] <Amanda> Other than things
like Izzy's minitel rpc
L362[21:23:26] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> unrelated question, are these bots the kind
that people use tto keep their profiles private? or...
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> unrelated question, are these bots the kind
that people use tto keep their profiles private? or...L363[21:23:33] <Amanda> Which can be used
to expose components across the network
L364[21:23:41] <Amanda> %discorded
L365[21:23:41] <MichiBot> Corded is a
relay between IRC and Discord. It uses a webhook (most of the time)
to send IRC messages to discord, which is why there is a Bot
tag
L366[21:23:51] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> ok, thought so
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> ok, thought soL367[21:24:43] <Amanda> %irc
L368[21:24:44] <MichiBot> all the
"bots" are real people, using the superior IRC chat
protocol. https://youtu.be/O2rGTXHvPCQ
L369[21:24:54] <Amanda> That's the command
I was looking for
L370[21:26:00] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> one last thing for now, do nanomachines change
the player's size to that of a baby zombie? my camera position
sstayed the same but i went into third and suddenly noticed i was
small.
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> one last thing for now, do nanomachines change
the player's size to that of a baby zombie? my camera position
sstayed the same but i went into third and suddenly noticed i was
small.L371[21:26:41] <Amanda> I'm not sure, that
might be one of the random effects they can have? I thought they
just had random buff/debuffs though
L372[21:27:09] <the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> huh
<the 4 dogs of
the apocolypse> huhL373[21:28:07] ⇦
Quits: Vexatos
(~Vexatos@p200300eaef06ee0057ee3d32306817da.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
(Quit: Insert quantum chemistry joke here)
L374[21:42:59] <Amanda> Elfi: post-rainbox
snack, cake or iced creams?
L375[22:42:58] <Saphire> aaRawr
L376[22:44:10] <stephan48> Am I crazy for
considering to use keepalived and glusterfs to build a redundant
PXE setup between three machines so I can even work on the
server(which is currently hosting it and its annoying when it fails
and I can't use PXE)? i need to maybe a few times a year
L377[23:57:24] <S3> hmm.
Why not use VRRP?
<S3> hmm.
Why not use VRRP?L378[23:58:20] <S3> With
VRRP, you give as many hosts as you want the same exact IP address.
They share a virtual mac address. When one fails, another takes
over. It's meant for routing, but can be used for anything that you
want to be redundant that doesn't already have redundant features,
stephan48.
<S3> With
VRRP, you give as many hosts as you want the same exact IP address.
They share a virtual mac address. When one fails, another takes
over. It's meant for routing, but can be used for anything that you
want to be redundant that doesn't already have redundant features,
stephan48.L379[23:58:38] <S3> Then
you could have 2 or more PXE servers that are just clones of
eachother
<S3> Then
you could have 2 or more PXE servers that are just clones of
eachotherL380[23:59:46] <S3> if
you're running servers as thin clients or something, then it's a
bit different
<S3> if
you're running servers as thin clients or something, then it's a
bit different