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L1[00:00:20] <Mim​iru> sorry... it defaulted into delete history, and I'm in the middle of a gun fight
L2[00:00:37] <Liizzii> nah, it's fine, i can see deleted messages
L3[00:00:41] <lunar_sam> good lord, what was wrong with bro
L4[00:00:44] <Izzy> https://irclogs.pc-logix.com/view?chan=oc&log=2024-03-10.log&refresh#L96
L5[00:00:52] <Izzy> for your viewing ... for your viewing.
L6[00:01:05] <Corded> > <Lii​zzii> nah, it's fine, i can see deleted messages
L7[00:01:05] <Mim​iru> me too :P
L8[00:01:11] <Amanda> Inb4 some Twitter bro makes a stupid rant about how oc is full of cucks and "woke mind virus"
L9[00:01:14] <AR2​000> A class case of someone who wants to learn without having to learn
L10[00:01:44] <AR2​000> * classic case of someone who wants to learn without having to learn
L11[00:02:39] <Liizzii> looking back at some of their messages
L12[00:02:46] <Amanda> I only skinned the backlog after checking in and saw they started abrasive after I started reading, and recent messages were still abrasive, so I decided to do the ping
L13[00:02:56] <Amanda> Skimmed*
L14[00:03:00] <Izzy> can I just get some appreciation for "links outside of discord are against the TOS"
L15[00:03:11] <Liizzii> basically just boils down to "i don't know shit about computers, i just use windows, press buttons and it works"
L16[00:03:56] <Liizzii> Izzy, where was that? might not have gotten to that bit of the backlog yet lol
L17[00:04:35] <Amanda> I'm tickled by insinuating Linux is used by "0.001% of people" when semi-recently the fact Linux pushed to 4% market share was all over my social feeds
L18[00:04:48] <Izzy> L223
L19[00:05:12] <Amanda> Granted I've been part of those 4% for a long time, still found it funny
L20[00:05:31] <lunar_sam> my favorite that i saw so far was "linux people are insufferable" while bro went on being a dick to everyone
L21[00:05:31] <Liizzii> Izzy, i... *deep sigh*
L22[00:05:41] <Liizzii> lunar_sam, i know right?
L23[00:05:59] <Demis​eDevil> hi, so i made a new floppy disk and I'm just curious why there's already storage being used up
L24[00:05:59] <Demis​eDevil> I tried wiping it and upon checking again its still using 1% of storage.
L25[00:05:59] <Demis​eDevil> is this a mod bug or something? https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1710115558934.png
L26[00:06:22] <Izzy> nah, the root directory is a directory, and the minimum size any file or directory can be is 512 bytes
L27[00:06:29] <Demis​eDevil> i should have 512kb available instead of 511.5kb
L28[00:06:33] <lunar_sam> i would assume it's because of metadata overhead
L29[00:06:54] <Liizzii> the fucktard probably only uses windows, grabbed the first modpack launcher they could find and hit install without knowing what they were trying to use
L30[00:07:17] <Demis​eDevil> how do i remove it?
L31[00:07:18] <Demis​eDevil> i tried going into the directory of the floppy after mounting it and it shows that nothing is inside it
L32[00:07:32] <Izzy> you can't, it's just the structure of the filesystem
L33[00:07:37] <lunar_sam> i really wanted to pull out "yapping level: catastrophic"
L34[00:07:49] <Demis​eDevil> so.. my storage gets eaten up by this metadata thing no matter what I do?
L35[00:08:08] <Izzy> again, the minimum size of any file or directory is 512 bytes
L36[00:08:30] <lunar_sam> it's just a limitation of filesystems in general
L37[00:08:39] <Mim​iru> It's like this in the real world too.
L38[00:08:43] <Izzy> ^
L39[00:09:04] <Liizzii> also, this "niche operating system" that has like, a major market share in the datacenter and probably 99% of the minecraft server hosts run their stuff on linux
L40[00:09:37] <Corded> > <Mic​hiyo> It's like this in the real world too.
L41[00:09:37] <Demis​eDevil> uh, is it?
L42[00:09:37] <Demis​eDevil> my USB drives don't have storage eaten up by that metadata thing irl so
L43[00:09:43] <lunar_sam> it sure does!
L44[00:09:49] <Mim​iru> I can assure you, it does.
L45[00:09:51] <lunar_sam> in fact, your USB drive has even more eaten up
L46[00:10:09] <lunar_sam> since that also has to store real filesystem metadata
L47[00:10:10] <Izzy> don't you lose at least 1KiB to the partition table and boot sector alone?
L48[00:10:34] <lunar_sam> you also lose storage to uhhh, what's it called in FAT
L49[00:10:36] <Liizzii> your usb drives just have so much more capacity that a few kilobytes is not gonna make a dent
L50[00:10:57] <Demis​eDevil> ok
L51[00:11:09] <Demis​eDevil> in my floppy it still makes a large dent though
L52[00:11:28] <Demis​eDevil> how much bytes does 1 text character use?
L53[00:11:31] <Izzy> 1
L54[00:11:38] <Izzy> 1/1024th is sizable I suppose
L55[00:13:00] <Izzy> from a practical perspective, having directories included in disk usage accounting in-game means that you can't have OC make a trillion directories and run the server out of disk space (because directories do take disk space) without ever actually using any counted space on the disk
L56[00:13:05] <Demis​eDevil> ok, and is there gregtech compatibility
L57[00:13:17] <Amanda> In your irl computer, right-click a folder, select properties. "Size" won't be the same as "size on disk" -- the latter includes the fs metadata
L58[00:13:18] <Demis​eDevil> I want to monitor stuff like power levels on my battery banks
L59[00:14:03] <Kristo​pher38> there should be? if you're running gt:nh OC is well-maintained there
L60[00:14:35] <Demis​eDevil> any guides?
L61[00:14:52] <Amanda> Man, dickhead distracted me from saying goodnight to my dad whose out of town
L62[00:16:19] <Kristo​pher38> guides are hard to come by
L63[00:16:30] <Demis​eDevil> nobody has made any?
L64[00:17:34] <Kristo​pher38> tbf there's a ready-made solution if you're on gt:nh - nidas https://github.com/S4mpsa/NIDAS
L65[00:18:13] <Kristo​pher38> otherwise your best bet is connecting a computer to whatever you want to measure and seeing if any new components pop up when you type `components`
L66[00:18:27] <Demis​eDevil> one of the tooltips on the OpenOS said I need a special floppy to install stuff off of github
L67[00:19:26] <Kristo​pher38> reading the readme I can see that nidas has its own installer, you should be able to get it without that special floppy
L68[00:19:39] <Liizzii> That might be referring to OPPM (OpenOS Package Manager) which is on a different one of the different floppys
L69[00:19:46] <Liizzii> you will need an internet card in the machine tho
L70[00:23:32] <Lili​rine> looks like just wget
L71[00:29:07] <Izzy> is it all one thing or multiple packages?
L72[00:31:31] <Demis​eDevil> how do i use the analyzer?
L73[00:31:36] <Demis​eDevil> right clicking on stuff does nothing
L74[00:32:20] <Izzy> try shift-right-clicking instead
L75[00:43:52] * Amanda snuggles back up around Elfi, having finished her visit to the rain box, debates reading more gay dragon tamer girls stories or being responsible and letting herself zzzmew sin
L76[00:44:04] <Amanda> s/sin$/soon/
L77[00:45:27] <Liizzii> "I'll just check this quick thing with our hyperv stuff at work"....
L78[00:45:32] <Liizzii> it's never fucking quick
L79[00:45:47] <Liizzii> in fact, i'm not entirely convinced this thing hasn't just stalled out
L80[00:45:54] <Liizzii> would be a very M$ thing to do
L81[00:46:31] <Corded> > <Lii​zzii> the fucktard probably only uses windows, grabbed the first …
L82[00:46:31] <skit​tally> chill
L83[00:49:56] <Izzy> oh while cool people are here, I got sick of running out of space for /home so I went for the least hinged solution possible
L84[00:49:58] <Izzy> https://shadowkat.net/tmp/bc1c.png
L85[01:26:51] * Amanda pads over, curls up in Izzy's lap, trapping her in her chair, does a heccen zzzmew
L86[01:26:56] <Amanda> Night girls
L87[01:27:10] <Izzy> ah, terrible, will just have to keep breeding minotaur/bnuuy hybrids
L88[03:15:19] <Forec​aster> Oh good, one of those people
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L90[04:45:31] <CompanionCube> !ping
L91[04:45:39] <CompanionCube> %ping
L92[04:45:40] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Compan​ionCube 0.54s
L93[04:45:41] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Compan​ionCube 0.73s
L94[05:49:59] <Zul​uFox> Hey, does anyone know how one would automate IC2 crop breeding/mutations with OpenComputers? Is there a written guide or a video guide somewhere?
L95[06:33:50] <CompanionCube> Izzy: btw, after a few failed booting attempts I got live KDE Neon to work earlier, because I wanted to try KDE (was also first actual experience of Wayland lol), want to explore more but thoughts are mostly positive even though at the end I managed to crash the compositor and therefore Firefox (but not Konsole)
L96[06:34:15] <Izzy> neat!
L97[06:35:27] <CompanionCube> (note: the failures were related me to be booting the .iso on my disk from GRUB)
L98[06:43:26] <CompanionCube> at one point i remembered netboot.xyz is a thing and tried that, i got it to fail in three different ways, and also i attempted something cursed with the 'interactive netboot' function that apparently exists.
L99[06:55:20] <Corded> > <Cor​ded> creeper-235 Joined #oc On IRC
L100[06:55:20] <idealC​hainsaw> the ingame IRC appears to be borked 😦
L101[06:55:42] <CompanionCube> oh?
L102[06:55:48] <idealC​hainsaw> i thiiink
L103[06:55:56] <idealC​hainsaw> will test when 1.12 starts
L104[06:56:08] <Izzy> oh, yeah, it was acting weird for me also
L105[06:56:10] <Izzy> try to specify irc.esper.net
L106[06:56:14] <Izzy> or one of the servers
L107[06:57:20] <CompanionCube> %inv add displayport audio
L108[06:57:20] * MichiBot summons 'displayport audio' and adds to their inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L109[06:58:13] <CompanionCube> i forgot that was a thing earlier which lead to surprises and me wondering where a mysterious speaker could be
L110[06:58:18] <Corded> > <Compan​ionCube> %inv add displayport audio
L111[06:58:18] <idealC​hainsaw> what are you trying to do...
L112[06:58:37] <CompanionCube> %loot
L113[06:58:37] <MichiBot> Compan​ionCube: You get a loot box! It contains the Shiny concept of immortality! (10%) (10%)
L114[06:58:52] <CompanionCube> does that make me a shiny immortal now
L115[06:59:05] <idealC​hainsaw> %loot
L116[06:59:19] <CompanionCube> it hqs a cooldown
L117[07:00:28] <idealC​hainsaw> i think it only works for the ingame client
L118[07:01:11] <CompanionCube> i'm not using the ingame client
L119[07:01:55] <Forec​aster> CC is now a sparkly vampire confirmed
L120[07:02:16] <CompanionCube> who said snything about vampirism
L121[07:02:23] <Forec​aster> I did
L122[07:02:41] * CompanionCube sucks Forecaster's blood
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L124[07:04:59] <creeper-265> hmmm
L125[07:05:13] <creeper-265> it is confirmed to work now
L126[07:05:35] <creeper-265> in my survival world, it didn't, even tried connecting to different proxies, still failed
L127[07:05:42] <creeper-265> %loot
L128[07:05:42] <MichiBot> creep​er-265: You get a loot box! It contains an inverted hole. (Junk)
L129[07:05:51] <creeper-265> %loot
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L132[07:29:20] <Forec​aster> Inverted holes, for when you have too many holes
L133[07:30:43] <CompanionCube> Izzy: also what is with that SAS cab,e
L134[07:30:59] <Izzy> that's just what SAS cables are like
L135[07:31:07] <Izzy> the drive-side connector is like SATA without a gap
L136[07:31:23] <Izzy> and the connector on the HBA side has 4 channels
L137[07:31:50] <Izzy> so for a direct HBA -> drive connection, you have a 1-to-4 splitter with a passthrough for normal SATA power
L138[07:35:08] <CompanionCube> huh
L139[07:37:46] <CompanionCube> will you actually be doing RAID, or no?
L140[07:46:50] <Izzy> yeah, gonna do RAID 1 with that pair of drives
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L142[07:50:12] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L143[08:42:23] <Izzy> huh
L144[08:42:34] <Izzy> I found what was causing 'failed to write' on OpenOS on rtfs volumes
L145[08:42:42] <Izzy> write would sometimes not return anything
L146[08:43:05] <Izzy> because sometimes it wouldn't require any actual disk commits
L147[08:43:42] <Forec​aster> that's weird
L148[09:09:09] <Izzy> https://shadowkat.net/tmp/2575.png
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L150[09:11:27] <amaRilay> Всем qq
L151[09:14:22] <Izzy> clearer: https://shadowkat.net/tmp/958f.png
L152[09:14:38] <Izzy> also notable: that 5.75 is the computer.uptime() when the motd executes
L153[09:14:58] <Izzy> booting from rtfs saves 0.05-0.1s compared to booting from a filesystem
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L155[09:34:37] <Izzy> initially I didn't implement any caching mechanism and with how many files and directories an OpenOS install contains it was painful. I gave up trying to edit a file after waiting several minutes on a blank screen
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L175[09:47:04] <Izzy> at least the LLM-generated porn was morbidly amusing
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L179[09:48:24] <amaRilay> Иззи кста а Skibidi toilet не пробегал?
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L181[10:47:31] <Forecaster> hrm, I can't ban an ip
L182[10:49:13] <Forecaster> Michiyo or Liizzii
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L185[12:03:34] <Forecaster> right, chanserv
L186[12:03:56] <Forecaster> ...that's not the whole address
L187[12:04:38] <Forecaster> oh, oops
L188[12:05:39] <Forecaster> there, that looks better
L189[12:08:44] *** zsh sets mode: -b *!92.124.163.1@*
L190[12:09:55] * Amanda meows and looks around, does a heccen biiiiggg stretchie, lets Izzy go
L191[12:10:35] <Izzy> Amanda: you'll be happy to know I ended up with the bnuuy-minotaur messiah
L192[12:11:14] <Izzy> https://shadowkat.net/tmp/e77c.jpg
L193[12:11:51] <Amanda> Is she passed out in bed with a bottle of alchol on the foot of the bed?
L194[12:12:08] <Amanda> ( I can't read the screenshot that well, not sure where to look for info )
L195[12:12:23] <Izzy> the bottle shape at the end of the bed is the kid
L196[12:12:39] <Amanda> ah
L197[12:12:52] <Izzy> who ended up with herculean (can wield really big weapons) and an aptitude for the epsilon axe (the best(?) really big melee weapon)
L198[12:13:24] <Izzy> she's gonna demolish
L199[12:26:38] <Amanda> %choose cubes or try and be productive today first
L200[12:26:38] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Wait, what was the question again? Uhh... "try and be productive today first"?
L201[12:38:34] <Amanda> okay, that's my open PRs closed, time fro cubes
L202[14:00:22] <Ocawes​ome101> %oclogs
L203[14:00:22] <MichiBot> https://irclogs.pc-logix.com/?dir=logs/%23oc
L204[14:05:20] <Michiyo> %p
L205[14:05:22] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Mic​hiyo 0.68s
L206[14:46:22] <Forec​aster> %sip
L207[14:46:23] <MichiBot> You drink a liquid strawberry potion (New!). Forecaster reboots for an update for 8 minutes.
L208[14:46:51] <Forec​aster> But I was already the latest version
L209[14:48:00] <Forec​aster> %tonkout
L210[14:48:00] <MichiBot> Jiminy Cricket! Forec​aster! You beat your own previous record of 15 hours, 2 minutes and 31 seconds (By 2 hours, 58 minutes and 59 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L211[14:48:01] <MichiBot> Forec​aster has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.018 tonk points! plus 0.034 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 0.89383, Position #2 Need 0.49958 more points to pass Va​ur!
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L215[20:29:37] * Amanda meows and looks around
L216[20:30:46] <Amanda> %choose halcuinate or cubes and em waves
L217[20:30:46] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Eeny, meeny, miny, cubes and em waves.
L218[20:39:12] <Brisingr​ Aerowing> %splash @Forecaster with mutable potion
L219[20:39:12] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable dilithium potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster. @Forecaster turns into a toad boy until they eat a pie.
L220[20:59:39] <Amanda> Blargh
L221[21:01:30] * Amanda flops down atop Elfi, demands affection and more stories to read, because she's out of spoons for cubes
L222[21:01:52] <Elfi> :o
L223[21:02:04] * Elfi petpetpetpetpets, digs out An Anomaly in the Underground
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