L1[00:30:46] <CompanionCube> Izzy: iirc current matrox GPUs are based on AMD ones, so...

L2[00:30:59] <Izzy> oh.

L4[00:31:24] <CompanionCube> oh, seems in 2023 they released some based on intel arc

L5[00:46:52] <Liizzii> Izzy, my main problem is multiple devices on one set of screens. currently my personal laptop (that i use most of the time because ~50w doing light desktop work vs ~120w minimum for my pc does add up to some power savings...) is connected via HDMI to my middle monitor, then a MiniDP to dual HDMI splitter for the side ones. When i hook up my work

L6[00:46:53] <Liizzii> laptop when working from home, i take the primary hdmi and have that go direct to my work laptop and then have to take the two hdmi's from the side monitors out of the MiniDP splitter and connect it into a USB-C-based splitter.

L7[00:48:02] <Liizzii> Maybe if i go through with the purchase of the Framework 16 I'll see if my manager will let me just dualboot it with the domain-joined windows build and my personal linux build

L8[00:48:46] <Liizzii> anyway, speaking of work, i need to be awake for it in about 7 hours so i need to go sleeps

L10[01:16:59] <Spider ​EveryOS> Oooh, I bought a FW 16. Batch 5

L14[01:45:11] *** Server sets mode: +ntz

L15[03:29:48] <Amanda> %choose be good or continue hallucinating

L16[03:29:48] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I'm 40% "continue hallucinating"!

L17[03:30:59] <Amanda> I guess I'll be good then, as we all know MichiBot is only 2% chaos, so the remaining 58% must be goodness

L19[03:54:41] <Amanda> %isup camnet.site

L20[03:54:42] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: https is DOWN (Might be using untrusted certificates)

L21[03:54:43] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: http is DOWN

L22[03:55:04] <Amanda> %isup git.camnet.site

L23[03:55:05] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: https is UP

L24[03:55:06] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: http is UP

L25[03:55:27] <Amanda> K,so. 404 = down

L26[03:55:35] <Amanda> Good to know

L28[03:56:12] <Amanda> Night girls

L29[03:58:04] <Mim​iru> Yeah the isup module is trash, sorry

L30[04:24:43] <Va​ur> %tonk

L31[04:24:43] <MichiBot> Kapow! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of <0 (By 6 hours, 41 minutes and 42 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L32[04:24:44] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 6 hours, 41 minutes and 42 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.0067 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.00143 more points to pass Forec​aster!

L33[05:34:27] <Forec​aster> %sip

L34[05:34:27] <MichiBot> You drink a permitted spice potion (New!). Forecaster shrinks by a negligible amount until someone turns on a lamp.

L35[05:34:37] <Forec​aster> Aw

L39[11:11:34] <Forec​aster> %tonk

L40[11:11:34] <MichiBot> Bingo! Forec​aster! You beat Va​ur's previous record of 6 hours, 41 minutes and 42 seconds (By 5 minutes and 8 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L41[11:11:35] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 6 hours, 46 minutes and 50 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00063 (0.00009 x 7) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.

L48[14:50:50] <Forec​aster> %sip

L49[14:50:50] <MichiBot> You drink a slimy tan potion (New!). Forecaster forgets the location of a great treasure.

L50[14:51:09] <Forec​aster> aw, I forgot where I locked away all my friends

L51[14:51:19] <Forec​aster> oh well

L52[15:09:34] <jackie> That's almost quote-worthy ^^'

L55[18:02:01] <Va​ur> %tonk

L56[18:02:01] <MichiBot> Goshhawk! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 6 hours, 46 minutes and 50 seconds (By 3 minutes and 36 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L57[18:02:02] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 6 hours, 50 minutes and 27 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.00042 (0.00006 x 7) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.00164 more points to pass Forec​aster!

L60[19:02:25] <Ze_B​oss07> is it possible to make computers not turn off when a server restarts?

L61[19:02:45] <Forec​aster> they're not supposed to, that's a bug

L62[19:03:00] <Ze_B​oss07> uhhh right

L63[19:03:05] <Ze_B​oss07> will the bug be fixed?

L64[19:03:40] <Ze_B​oss07> because im trying to make an automatic train system with OC and Immersive Railroading but if the computers controlling the trains turn off then I cant

L65[19:04:14] <Ze_B​oss07> Opencomputers 1.8.3+274990f

L66[19:04:17] <Ze_B​oss07> is the version

L67[19:05:51] <Forec​aster> the mod isn't being actively maintained anymore unfortunately

L68[19:06:14] <Ze_B​oss07> oh

L69[19:06:58] <Forec​aster> try disabling persistance in the config

L70[19:07:07] <Ze_B​oss07> ill try that

L71[19:07:17] <Ze_B​oss07> will that affect anything else?

L72[19:07:32] <Forec​aster> it will disable the feature that tries to have computers resume their state when the chunk loades

L73[19:07:37] <Forec​aster> * loads

L74[19:07:54] <Forec​aster> instead they will boot when the chunk loads

L75[19:08:00] <Ze_B​oss07> Ah

L76[19:08:16] <Ze_B​oss07> That unfortunately makes the issue worse

L77[19:08:23] <Mim​iru> Just to confirm, what OS / Arch is the server running (ARM, x86, etc)?

L78[19:08:33] <Ze_B​oss07> Uhhh

L79[19:08:35] <Ze_B​oss07> Good question

L80[19:08:38] <Forec​aster> why is that worse

L81[19:08:44] <Ze_B​oss07> It’s a pebblehost server

L82[19:09:06] <Ze_B​oss07> Bc I need them to persist for other things on the server

L83[19:09:26] <Ze_B​oss07> Plus at that point it’ll just make a startup script or smth

L84[19:09:43] <Mim​iru> I'm wondering if they're running something that doesn't have natives built. If you check the server log there SHOULD be a line telling you if OC is running with its natives

L85[19:09:56] <Forec​aster> if the chunk isn't loaded they're not going to do anything anyway

L86[19:10:05] <Mim​iru> I'd have to go dig out an old MC version to find exactly what it says anyway.

L87[19:10:10] <Forec​aster> and having them boot up at chunk load is better than them being off isn't it

L88[19:10:24] <Forec​aster> you just have to write your code with that in mind

L89[19:10:37] <Forec​aster> ie saving things to disk instead of relying on ram

L90[19:10:42] <Ze_B​oss07> I mean I can make a startup script to achieve the same thing without breaking other people’s computers

L91[19:11:01] <Corded> > <Mic​hiyo> I'm wondering if they're running something that doesn't hav…

L92[19:11:01] <Ze_B​oss07> Where would I find that

L93[19:11:08] <Forec​aster> what do you mean "startup script"

L94[19:11:21] <Mim​iru> In the MC server log. I've never used pebblehost, I have no idea what kind of access you get.

L95[19:12:20] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> what do you mean "startup script"

L96[19:12:21] <Ze_B​oss07> Ignore me I’m thinking of something else, I mean redstone control

L97[19:13:52] <Mim​iru> In my server log I have the following 2 lines:

L98[19:13:56] <Mim​iru> [11<:11:1133141548037570724>05] [Client thread/INFO] [opencomputers]: Found a compatible native library: 'OpenComputersMod-1.7.5.218-lua52-native.64.dll'.

L99[19:13:56] <Mim​iru> [11<:11:1133141548037570724>05] [Client thread/INFO] [opencomputers]: Found a compatible native library: 'OpenComputersMod-1.7.5.218-lua53-native.64.dll'.

L100[19:14:29] <Ze_B​oss07> ill check holdon

L101[19:14:33] <Mim​iru> Now this is running on Windows, so I'd expect you to not have .dll on what is most likely a Linux host. But if you don't see anything about `Found a compatible native library` in your log then it's not loading natives

L102[19:15:49] <Ze_B​oss07> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1704222948717.png

L103[19:15:58] <Ze_B​oss07> in the latest.log

L104[19:16:56] <Corded> > <Mic​hiyo> Now this is running on Windows, so I'd expect you to not ha…

L105[19:16:56] <Ze_B​oss07> yeah its loading the natives find i think

L106[19:17:11] <Ze_B​oss07> * fine i think

L107[19:17:12] <Mim​iru> Ok, well that's something at least.

L108[19:17:20] <Mim​iru> Is it EVERY computer, or specific computers?

L109[19:17:27] <Ze_B​oss07> every one

L110[19:17:36] <Ze_B​oss07> afaik

L111[19:17:54] <Mim​iru> Can you throw the log on pastebin or something?

L112[19:18:34] <Ze_B​oss07> not atm no bc i have dinner

L113[19:18:39] <Ze_B​oss07> i will when im back tho

L114[19:18:52] <Mim​iru> Alright @ me with the link and I'll take a look at the log.

L115[19:23:44] <Kristo​pher38> Does jnlua even have persistence?

L116[19:24:03] <Kristo​pher38> I have a suspicion it doesn't

L117[19:25:10] <Mim​iru> Ah, no, it doesn't I missed the jn part of that...

L118[19:29:43] <Mim​iru> * ~~Ah, no, it doesn't I missed the jn part of that...~~

L119[19:30:08] <Mim​iru> Hmm, I just upgraded my old 1.12 instance from 1.7.5 to 1.8.3 from CF, and I get the same

L120[19:30:09] <Mim​iru> [11:27:48] [Client thread/INFO] [opencomputers]: Found a compatible native library: 'OpenComputersMod-1.8.3-52-libjnlua52-windows-x86_64.dll'.

L121[19:30:09] <Mim​iru> [11:27:48] [Client thread/INFO] [opencomputers]: Found a compatible native library: 'OpenComputersMod-1.8.3-53-libjnlua53-windows-x86_64.dll'.

L122[19:30:09] <Mim​iru> [11:27:48] [Client thread/INFO] [opencomputers]: Found a compatible native library: 'OpenComputersMod-1.8.3-54-libjnlua54-windows-x86_64.dll'.

L123[19:30:14] <Mim​iru> And yet, my persistence works fine

L126[19:38:08] <Mim​iru> I'd also like to know the values of `forceLuaJ`, and `registerLuaJArchitecture` in the OC config, and possibly turn on `verbosePersistenceErrors` for a bit...

L127[19:56:00] <Ze_B​oss07> @Mimiru https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1704225360128.log

L128[19:58:03] <Michiyo> [18:44:43] [Server thread/WARN] [opencomputers]: Error handling file saving: Did the server never start?

L129[19:58:06] <Michiyo> I've seen this.....

L130[19:58:30] <Ze_B​oss07> i thought that was normal

L131[19:58:53] <Ze_B​oss07> this has happened on 2 separate hosts

L132[19:59:00] <Ze_B​oss07> is that why

L133[20:00:43] <Michiyo> Yeah

L134[20:00:56] <Ze_B​oss07> right how do i fix it then

L135[20:01:19] <Forec​aster> ask your host why it can't save files

L136[20:01:42] <Forec​aster> probably some issue with permissions in the world dir

L137[20:01:45] <Ze_B​oss07> i mean files do save tho

L138[20:02:00] <Ze_B​oss07> like i have programs on the computers

L139[20:02:24] <Forec​aster> the filesystems and the persistance files are not the same thing

L140[20:02:27] <Michiyo> The only thing I can find on GitHub about this is https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/3258

L141[20:02:27] <MichiBot> Title: Computer Persistence not working | Posted by: adriaanvanzyl | Posted: Sat Mar 28 22:47:37 UTC 2020 | Status: closed

L142[20:02:36] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> the filesystems and the persistance files are not the same …

L143[20:02:36] <Ze_B​oss07> right

L144[20:04:25] <Michiyo> But yeah, sadly this is a long standing issue that the root cause was never found... :/

L145[20:05:35] <Michiyo> Check the permissions of everything, it could be permission related like Fore suggested

L146[20:06:02] <Michiyo> Otherwise yeah... this is one of those things that happens to VERY few people, and it's so hard to reproduce.

L147[20:12:19] <Forec​aster> those are the best ones

L148[20:13:13] <Michiyo> One person who had this issue on a client found that if they ran the client from another directory it was fine (On windows but still...) It COULD be permissions, it COULD be gremlins

L149[20:38:56] <Redston​eParkour> well... what if `Executors.newScheduledThreadPool(...)` inside of `li.cil.oc.util.ThreadPoolFactory.scala` returns null?

L150[20:43:49] <Michiyo> Yes, indeed, what if.

L151[20:48:23] <Redston​eParkour> well the only check for that happening is inside of `withPool` (same file), and if it fails, it produces that exact log message

L152[20:49:05] <Forec​aster> what would make it return null then

L153[20:49:14] <Redston​eParkour> no clue

L154[20:49:31] <Redston​eParkour> but it is null

L155[20:52:31] <Redston​eParkour> i *would* say, as this is linux, that the server is hitting the thread limit, but that doesnt explain the windows case

L156[20:53:43] <Mim​iru> Well in *this* specific case, the server is Linux. The other quoted case was a windows client *shrug*

L157[20:53:48] <Mim​iru> And was from a while ago

L158[20:53:58] <Mim​iru> (2019)

L159[20:54:11] <Mim​iru> * machine*shrug*

L160[20:54:15] <Mim​iru> * machine *shrug*

L161[20:54:17] <Mim​iru> ffs

L162[21:10:02] <Izzy> mine also shows that error on start fairly consistently, doesn't seem to do anything

L163[21:26:33] <Amanda> Elfi~ Somebody (who definately wasn't me) threw my phone and my tablet onto my bed, cracking the tablet

L164[21:26:41] <Amanda> 's screen

L168[23:49:48] <Amanda> %choose wake the laptop to try and be productive or waves

L169[23:49:48] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Wait, what was the question again? Uhh... "wake the laptop to try and be productive"?