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L1[00:06:26] <Liizzii> I wonder if i can set a higher than 1500byte mtu on the USB-C "port" on the pi4 so that when i'm doing wifi/lan sniffing, i can have it forward the whole packets over that interface to be monitored by another device
L2[00:09:41] <CompanionCube> hm, do usb nics usually do jumbo frames?
L3[00:10:34] <Liizzii> I have a USB3 one that'll do it, but i mean the one that you can enable that runs off the USB C port of the pi 4 for whatever device is connected to it
L4[00:11:45] <Liizzii> in wifi scanning mode i can just have it forward out the normal built-in NIC, but if i'm using it to sniff traffic and have it "inline" (one port on the built in nic, the other on a usb one) then being able to forward that out the USBC virtual one would be handy
L5[00:13:28] <CompanionCube> wait, pi4 has a nic wired up to a usb c port? wut?
L6[00:13:57] <Liizzii> yes, you need to enable it with a change to some of the boot files but it's possible
L7[00:14:14] <Liizzii> think the pi zero can also do it? not sure
L8[00:14:40] <Liizzii> but that experimentation shall happen later, cause i need to go sleeps now
L9[00:48:28] <S​3> The power of FreeBSD on Cisco wireless controllers! Roar! Got bhyve virt fully working with my vlans
L10[00:48:46] <S​3> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1698972525875.mp4
L11[00:49:06] <S​3> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1698972545794.png
L12[01:09:17] <Corded> > <Z0id​burg>
L13[01:09:17] <MicroCo​in#1397> WHAT IS THAT AIRFLOW
L14[01:09:22] <MicroCo​in#1397> HUH?
L15[01:09:33] <Amanda> WHY ARE WE YELLING?
L16[01:09:33] <MicroCo​in#1397> okay I'm unfamiliar
L17[01:09:37] <MicroCo​in#1397> wth is that soundm
L18[01:09:39] <MicroCo​in#1397> * sound
L19[01:09:52] <Michiyo> Want me to record a video of my rack downstairs?
L20[01:09:58] <MicroCo​in#1397> Amanda: The sound in the video was crazy
L21[01:10:00] <Michiyo> my Cisco switch makes that sound downright quiet.
L22[01:10:09] <MicroCo​in#1397> Michiyo: Hit me.
L23[01:11:35] <Amanda> I forgot I muted my phone. Those fans sound like there's something stuck in them
L24[01:13:01] <MicroCo​in#1397> Okay at least that's not NORMAL but Michiyo says otherwise. From what I see it's not a comprehensive rack, though, so it shouldn't be making that much noise (?)
L25[01:13:06] <Michiyo> Aww... it's actually being kinda quiet.
L26[01:13:08] <MicroCo​in#1397> Dunno. Not an expert.
L27[01:13:18] <Michiyo> But yeah, that's about right for a 1u switch
L28[01:13:39] <MicroCo​in#1397> Aiight. I'll take the expert's word for it.
L29[01:13:43] <Michiyo> Delta fans are LOUD especially when they are that small
L30[01:14:05] <MicroCo​in#1397> Still don't know what any of this is though. Haven't got Cisco certed.
L31[01:14:11] <Mim​iru> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1698974051304.mp4
L32[01:14:51] <Michiyo> They're a bit dusty... it's been about a month since I yanked them out and dusted them
L33[01:14:55] <Corded> > <Mic​hiyo>
L34[01:14:55] <MicroCo​in#1397> Got your own wind generator.
L35[01:15:05] <Michiyo> That 10GB switch at the bottom gets REALLY loud especially on boot.
L36[01:15:11] <MicroCo​in#1397> so uhhhhhhhhh
L37[01:15:14] <MicroCo​in#1397> don't mind me asking
L38[01:15:17] <MicroCo​in#1397> what do they do?
L39[01:15:31] <MicroCo​in#1397> I'm guessing they handle?
L40[01:16:53] <Michiyo> The top one is off ATM, the middle one is my 4CPU 32 core 64 thread VM server that runs basically everything... it runs servers for 3 dead MMOs (2 City of Heroes, 1 TERA, and a SWG server), it runs my webserver, and a couple of other VMs. the bottom one is a NAS with ~20TB raw storage sadly TrueNas makes that about 14TB usable
L41[01:17:09] <Michiyo> then the bottom is the 10GB switch for server to server interconnects, and a dedicated fiber run upstairs to my desktop
L42[01:17:40] <MicroCo​in#1397> So
L43[01:17:43] <MicroCo​in#1397> Questiong
L44[01:17:46] <MicroCo​in#1397> * Question
L45[01:17:49] <Michiyo> The VM server has an iSCSI share off the TrueNAS box for VM storage, as it doesn't have much local storage, and I'm limited to 2.5" drives.
L46[01:18:10] <Michiyo> Which is why 10Gig is basically needed for at least those two.
L47[01:18:40] <MicroCo​in#1397> Okay I
L48[01:18:45] <MicroCo​in#1397> Thought of something od
L49[01:18:47] <MicroCo​in#1397> * odd
L50[01:18:50] <MicroCo​in#1397> *odd
L51[01:19:06] <Michiyo> OH, and I forgot the HP D360 sitting between the bottom Dell server and the switch, which does.. nothing :P it WAS my webserver, but once I got everything working on the main VM server I shut it down
L52[01:19:33] <Michiyo> So Off, VMs, NAS, Off, Switch.
L53[01:20:09] <MicroCo​in#1397> Could people still utilize coax cables?
L54[01:20:22] <Michiyo> Sure, you can run MOCA if you want
L55[01:20:29] <MicroCo​in#1397> MOCA?
L56[01:20:52] <MicroCo​in#1397> Oh Multimedia over Coax Alliance.
L57[01:21:24] <MicroCo​in#1397> Isn't that just modern dial-up?
L58[01:21:36] <Michiyo> No?
L59[01:21:45] <Michiyo> This is that switch, BTW https://www.ebay.com/itm/115838641979
L60[01:21:57] <Michiyo> 96 ports of 10GB sfp+ fun.. if you don't like your ears.
L61[01:22:26] <Michiyo> MOCA can do up to 2.5 Gbps
L62[01:22:40] <MicroCo​in#1397> DAMN
L63[01:22:49] <MicroCo​in#1397> That's faster than what I have ATM
L64[01:23:26] <Michiyo> So basically you just connect up MOCA adapters between 2 points via your existing coax for easy wired networking without having to run another cable.
L65[01:23:44] <MicroCo​in#1397> There's also Modem Coax.
L66[01:23:49] <MicroCo​in#1397> Works the same as wifi with MOCA.
L67[01:24:29] <Michiyo> @S3 I'm assuming your linux install can't PWM those fans so they're running full tilt?
L68[01:24:30] <MicroCo​in#1397> stupid me
L69[01:24:38] <MicroCo​in#1397> *Router Coax
L70[01:24:53] <MicroCo​in#1397> @S3
L71[01:24:57] <MicroCo​in#1397> who dat?
L72[01:25:31] <Mim​iru> The person who posted the video of the Cisco switches that started all this?
L73[01:25:34] <S​3> w@MicroCoin#1397You've never seen a server before?
L74[01:25:47] <MicroCo​in#1397> I have.
L75[01:25:53] <S​3> Cisco likes to uh...
L76[01:25:59] <S​3> Go overboard with their fans
L77[01:26:11] <S​3> It's a Cisco 5520 Wireless Controller so they went nuts.
L78[01:26:25] <MicroCo​in#1397> As it was explained in OC, "servers are better computers with more functionality"
L79[01:26:33] <S​3> hahahaha
L80[01:26:43] <MicroCo​in#1397> Not wrong, I don't think.
L81[01:26:54] <MicroCo​in#1397> Sometimes less, sometimes more.
L82[01:26:55] <MicroCo​in#1397> Depends.
L83[01:27:08] <MicroCo​in#1397> Maybe a better term would be "varied
L84[01:27:15] <MicroCo​in#1397> "Varied functionality"
L85[01:27:19] <MicroCo​in#1397> sounds nice.
L86[01:27:33] <MicroCo​in#1397> or "varying"
L87[01:27:35] <Michiyo> I want this https://www.ebay.com/itm/166317492412
L88[01:27:42] <Michiyo> and a load of RAM to stuff in it.
L89[01:27:48] <MicroCo​in#1397> but why
L90[01:27:50] <MicroCo​in#1397> o_0
L91[01:27:52] <Michiyo> I have 512GB in the VM server I currently run
L92[01:28:00] <Michiyo> So I'd likely want a minimum of that :P
L93[01:28:17] <MicroCo​in#1397> I mean you could make a ton of money off of server hosting as long as you don't mind the power bill associated.
L94[01:28:22] <Michiyo> Why do I want that? because it's a lot faster than the 11 year old kit I currently run.
L95[01:28:57] <MicroCo​in#1397> There's no such thing as a midway between server power and server power if you know what I mean.
L96[01:29:01] <MicroCo​in#1397> Nu huh.
L97[01:29:01] <Michiyo> Power here is fairly cheap... I did the math, I think the entire rack costs like $300-400 a year
L98[01:29:10] <MicroCo​in#1397> Bruh.
L99[01:29:15] <MicroCo​in#1397> That's a lot less than I thought.
L100[01:29:21] <MicroCo​in#1397> Where the mess do you live?
L101[01:29:32] <Michiyo> Pacific North West
L102[01:29:34] <Michiyo> US
L103[01:29:44] <MicroCo​in#1397> Ah.
L104[01:29:47] <Michiyo> 95% of our power is hydro electric
L105[01:29:54] <MicroCo​in#1397> Middle of rurality.
L106[01:30:00] <Michiyo> Umm.. no?
L107[01:30:09] <MicroCo​in#1397> Oh.
L108[01:30:13] <MicroCo​in#1397> Pacific NW.
L109[01:30:19] <MicroCo​in#1397> What am I thinking of...
L110[01:30:31] <MicroCo​in#1397> Unsure of location.
L111[01:30:38] <Michiyo> https://www.fs.usda.gov/wildflowers/regions/Pacific_Northwest/images/pacific-northwest-map.jpg
L112[01:30:42] <Michiyo> More... west of the PNW
L113[01:30:48] <MicroCo​in#1397> I can tell you where Liechtenstein is but I STILL don't know mainland US.
L114[01:31:04] <Michiyo> LOTS of tech giants within driving range.
L115[01:31:14] <Michiyo> of course driving range for US folks is measured in hours...
L116[01:31:17] <MicroCo​in#1397> I'll probably end up there at some point.
L117[01:31:23] <MicroCo​in#1397> Washington makes up PNW?
L118[01:31:25] <Michiyo> driving range in most of Europe is measured in miles. :P
L119[01:31:38] <Michiyo> Washington, Oregon, Northern Cali
L120[01:31:46] <MicroCo​in#1397> Ooh. All nice areas.
L121[01:31:55] <Michiyo> Some folks count Idaho too
L122[01:32:05] <MicroCo​in#1397> NW Idaho at most.
L123[01:32:07] <Michiyo> I don't claim those folks, but some do. :P
L124[01:32:44] <MicroCo​in#1397> The US is HARD.
L125[01:33:25] <MicroCo​in#1397> how are 50 states so much harder than 220+ countries and territories?
L126[01:34:54] <Michiyo> lol
L127[01:35:20] <S​3> This is what they are https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/wireless/5520-wireless-controller/datasheet-c78-734257.html
L128[01:36:21] <S​3> I mean
L129[01:36:36] <S​3> I live in the north Maine woods. what's tech?
L130[01:38:10] * Amanda snuggles up around Elfi, meows about her plans to keep herself entertained on her upcoming 12h flight
L131[01:38:24] <Amanda> Step one: panic
L132[01:38:45] * Amanda does a heccen zzzmew
L133[01:38:48] <Amanda> Night girls
L134[01:42:32] <MicroCo​in#1397> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1698975752539.png
L135[01:43:05] <MicroCo​in#1397> I've done The Americas, Europe, Asia, and Oceana
L136[01:43:18] <MicroCo​in#1397> All I have left is Africa.
L137[01:53:42] <Comput​erCoco> is the creative APU faster than the T3 Apu?
L138[02:19:07] <Corded> > <Comput​erCoco> is the creative APU faster than the T3 Apu?
L139[02:19:07] <MicroCo​in#1397> Yea
L140[02:34:45] <Corded> > <MicroCo​in#1397> Yea
L141[02:34:45] <Comput​erCoco> It doesn't seem to be
L142[02:34:45] <Comput​erCoco> My very crude benchmark even seems to be running slower on the Creative APU sometimes
L143[02:38:45] <fingercomp> all tiers are equally performant; the tier only affects the maximum number of components and the call budget
L144[02:39:11] <Comput​erCoco> And the call budget *doesn't* effect pure lua speed right?
L145[02:39:32] <Comput​erCoco> the benchmark I did was calling `math.sin(math.random())` like 10'000 times
L146[02:40:57] <fingercomp> it's only consumed by direct component calls
L147[02:42:05] <Comput​erCoco> So the above benchmark would be about the same?
L148[02:42:18] <Comput​erCoco> Cause math.sin and math.random arn't component calls?
L149[02:43:01] <fingercomp> yeah
L150[02:43:10] <Comput​erCoco> coolio, good to know
L151[02:44:10] <Comput​erCoco> *also* bedrock has "infinite" hardness, but its represented as -1. This is what the geolyzer reads. So if signal strength averages up a bunch of hardness values to determine if the strength is strong enough to get there... then doesn't that mean bedrock *increases* signal strength? I checked the code and theres no check on weather
L152[02:44:10] <Corded> the returned hardness is negative so. Yea I am going to have to test this lol
L153[02:55:40] <Elfi> If there is nothing in place, all it'd need is a bitwise AND of a large enough number
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L155[03:21:54] <Comput​erCoco> Tested it; Can confirm, bedrock blocks can make signals go farther lmao; Ill have to test more to be sure Im not just getting super lucky with random chance, but so far it points in that direction
L156[04:16:14] <Va​ur> %tonk
L157[04:16:16] <MichiBot> Sard! Va​ur! You beat Mic​hiyo's previous record of 10 hours, 56 minutes and 14 seconds (By 15 minutes and 1 second)! I hope you're happy!
L158[04:16:17] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 11 hours, 11 minutes and 15 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.00275 (0.00025 x 11) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.08181 more points to pass Forec​aster!
L159[05:41:27] <Izzy> @AR2000 you've done work with oppm recently, any idea what's going on here? https://shadowkat.net/tmp/436c.png
L160[05:47:07] <Izzy> I'm like 99% sure it used to support providing URLs for external files
L161[05:58:35] <Izzy> hmm, maybe I'm insane, doesn't work with an older version
L162[06:01:24] <Izzy> Guess I am crazy.
L163[06:02:16] <Izzy> That's ... annoying, half my packages are served from my home git server.
L164[06:04:30] <Izzy> Guess maybe you're meant to list external files in the dependencies section? https://github.com/OpenPrograms/Vexatos-Programs/blob/master/oppm/oppm.lua#L546-L563
L165[06:15:40] <Izzy> okay yeah I can pull external files in the dependencies section, but it doesn't create dirs for them
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L168[07:14:06] <Izzy> Anyone got a dfpwm I can try?
L169[07:17:35] <Izzy> found some never mind
L170[07:20:06] <Izzy> ayy I'm playing music while reading data from the tape
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L172[07:24:00] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L173[07:42:47] <Izzy> it mostly works
L174[07:42:50] <Izzy> except when it doesn't
L175[07:43:45] <Izzy> allowing for a 0.1s timeslice between the 0.25s reads seems to be the way to go
L176[07:43:52] <Izzy> or rather, immediately after
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L178[08:08:46] <Izzy> ThePiGuy24: https://media.shadowkat.net/media/d0475e9f1a4300d98790f840f07c128a295744ed09f268b1be805b383a254e5a.mp4
L179[08:19:36] <Corded> > <Iz​zy> I'm like 99% sure it used to support providing URLs for ext…
L180[08:19:36] <AR2​000> I guess that's the issue since it looks like oppm concatenated 2 urls
L181[08:20:21] <Izzy> it has special HTTP URL handling for dependencies
L182[08:20:36] <Izzy> so I shifted them all to dependencies and submitted a PR to make it do mkdir
L183[08:20:48] <AR2​000> Maybe the last update broke that
L184[08:20:58] <Izzy> I tried a few different versions and none of them worked
L185[08:21:13] <Izzy> I think I was just publishing broken configs and not noticing >.>
L186[08:21:19] <Corded> > <Iz​zy> so I shifted them all to dependencies and submitted a PR to…
L187[08:21:20] <AR2​000> Oppm doesn't support scripts in the programs.cff file
L188[08:21:40] <AR2​000> * programs.cfg/ file
L189[08:21:42] <Izzy> my programs.cfg looks a little silly now but it works https://github.com/ShadowKatStudios/OC-Minitel/blob/master/programs.cfg#L276-L282
L190[08:21:56] <Izzy> files: no, dependencies: yes
L191[08:23:03] <Izzy> the PR is literally just "if the path doesn't exist, create it if possible"
L192[08:23:06] <Izzy> https://github.com/OpenPrograms/Vexatos-Programs/pull/32
L193[08:23:29] <AR2​000> Other solution : use `pm` and build the packages by hand (the repo converter doesn't support external urls yet)
L194[08:23:58] <Izzy> I publish stuff on oppm to make it easier for other people to use, requiring them to install another package manager will not help with that ;)
L195[08:26:57] <Vexatos> I swear that's already been fixed
L196[08:27:33] <Izzy> the files were created for package files but not dependencies
L197[08:27:55] <Vexatos> I mean if you confirmed that your PR works I'll just merge it
L198[08:27:58] <Izzy> also since you're here Vexatos am I crazy or did oppm support having stuff in the files table with external HTTP(S) URLs?
L199[08:28:01] <Vexatos> the code seems right
L200[08:28:14] <Izzy> I had to fix it to install the packages I'm using in that video
L201[08:28:17] <Izzy> so :p
L202[08:29:31] <Izzy> speaking of Vexatos yeah look I can access a filesystem on the tape while music plays with only a significant performance hit :D
L203[08:30:24] <Izzy> (you are allowed to do I/O roughly 40% of the time, as implemented)
L204[08:31:16] <Vexatos> imma just merge that, thanks iz
L205[08:31:49] <Vexatos> are you sure the fs.path is needed?
L206[08:32:01] <Izzy> yeah I copied the code further up
L207[08:32:36] <Izzy> nPath is the file destination, so fs.path gives you the equivalent of dirname
L208[08:35:33] <Izzy> hmm, a future optimisation may involve using a timer and a lock
L209[08:36:02] <Izzy> so if you did a bunch of sequential "sector" reads it would be able to do those without seeking twice in between
L210[08:36:45] <Vexatos> well it should work now
L211[08:37:59] <Izzy> excellent
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L225[11:11:11] <MichiBot> You drink a sour weather potion (New!). Forecaster grows a tail from a octopus until they have some bacon.
L226[11:11:22] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: check bai-hu-c for a swap
L227[11:11:26] <Forec​aster> So no tail
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L232[12:28:25] <Amanda> Looks like bai-hu-c didn't magically grow another swap partition
L233[13:28:28] <Forec​aster> If the briefcase was made of marshmallow it's probably been eaten by now
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L240[15:28:28] <ThePiGuy24> i still wanna try making a hardware dfpwm decoder
L241[15:30:25] <ThePiGuy24> dfpwm is still a very impressive codec. dead simple, but pulls a lot of weight
L242[15:31:04] <ThePiGuy24> sounds a lot better than 6kHz u8 audio does, while consuming the same bitrate
L243[15:34:49] <ThePiGuy24> and sounds about on par with mp3 of simmilar bitrate, while being much simpler ;p
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L249[16:56:59] <Amanda> %choose take the bag or take the case
L250[16:56:59] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: You *could* do "take the case", I guess.
L251[16:57:05] <Amanda> I guess.
L252[16:57:14] <Forec​aster> I guess too!
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L256[16:59:48] <Amanda> Well that's annoying
L257[17:02:08] * Amanda pokes the heisenbridge room about what she just had to do
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L260[17:25:29] <Forec​aster> huh
L261[17:25:39] <Forec​aster> apparently in 2019 ice won "Mineral of the year"
L262[17:42:52] <Amanda> I should have started this in a tmux session
L263[17:43:10] <Amanda> There.
L264[17:53:14] <Forec​aster> Where?!
L265[17:54:31] <Amanda> There! ~points in to the yawning abyss that threatens all reality if not given scritchies~
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L267[18:04:45] <ccnar> hi
L268[18:04:54] <Amanda> Greetings Mortal, would you like to fly?
L269[18:04:59] <ccnar> wat
L270[18:05:28] <ccnar> never gona give you up never gona let you downn
L271[18:05:46] <Michiyo> Right...
L272[18:05:46] <Amanda> [deadpan] oh no, you got me
L273[18:05:56] <ccnar> ow
L274[18:06:06] <ccnar> i am in open computes
L275[18:06:11] <Forec​aster> people still do that?
L276[18:06:13] <Amanda> %yeshi
L277[18:06:14] <MichiBot> Hi, welcome to the opencomputers IRC channel. If you just connected from minecraft, yes this is a real chat. There are people here, but dont expect people to engage with someone who just says "hi" or similar, we are (usually) pretty busy.
L278[18:06:31] <ccnar> ok
L279[18:07:24] <ccnar> /help
L280[18:09:24] <ccnar> ayo
L281[18:09:34] <ccnar> anyone is online ?
L282[18:09:42] <Michiyo> No.
L283[18:09:46] <Forec​aster> clearly not
L284[18:09:49] <ccnar> ok .
L285[18:09:52] <ccnar> xd
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L287[18:26:45] <Va​ur> %tonkout
L288[18:26:46] <MichiBot> Aw jeez! Va​ur! You beat your own previous record of 11 hours, 11 minutes and 15 seconds (By 2 hours, 59 minutes and 14 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L289[18:26:47] <MichiBot> Va​ur has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.014 tonk points! plus 0.026 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 1.67467842, Position #2 Need 0.04181 more points to pass Forec​aster!
L290[18:48:22] <Amanda> %choose laptopnaptime?
L291[18:48:22] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Fine, but only if I receive pats after.
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L293[18:50:38] <corrupted> hi yall
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L295[18:57:00] <Amanda> %pat MichiBot
L296[18:57:00] <MichiBot> Amanda is patting MichiBot with an unabridged time or the complete history of the multiverse. MichiBot regains 1d10 => 1 hit points! The unabridged time or the complete history of the multiverse angered a gnome and didn't get away in time.
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L300[19:33:20] <Amanda> %choose halucinate now or try and save it for the travel tomorrow
L301[19:33:21] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I spy with my robotic eye something beginning with "halucinate now"!
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L303[19:44:02] <Mim​iru> So, I just got my car back...
L304[19:45:36] <Mim​iru> I'm out $90 for diag fees... and they couldn't find any actual problem. They experienced the issue, but when they went to diag it, they swapped coils for Cyl 3 and 4, and suddenly the issue went away completly, best they can guess, either bad contact, or moisture between the plug and the coil was letting it short causing the engine to
L305[19:45:37] <Corded> just... totaly crap itself.
L306[19:56:57] <Forec​aster> At least you have a working car again
L307[19:57:59] <Mim​iru> Yeah, very glad to have my car back, but also very annoyed I'm out the tow dolly and mechanic diag fees for what was essentially nothing ._.
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L313[21:11:58] <Izzy> x-x
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L318[22:23:25] <Comput​erCoco> Heyya @Kristopher38; What was your opinion on the solar upgrade for the Von Neumann Probe? I see your robot design doesn't include it. It does have a generator, but what happens if the robot can't find/runs out of coal? Then it just... fails? I feel like leaving that up to chance seems risky, and having a solar cell would mean it
L319[22:23:26] <Corded> at least will have a little bit of power forever. Or is that too op?
L320[22:23:58] <Kristo​pher38> solar has like 20% efficiency of the generator
L321[22:24:14] <Comput​erCoco> Well, yes, but it last forever
L322[22:24:28] <Comput​erCoco> Its a nice fall back
L323[22:24:35] <Comput​erCoco> I thinl
L324[22:24:39] <Comput​erCoco> * think
L325[22:33:57] <Kristo​pher38> you should be able to mine enough coal to last you forever i think?
L326[22:34:26] <Kristo​pher38> or at least have some forest planted as reserve but that's more effort in software
L327[22:34:49] <Kristo​pher38> well yeah ig it could be a good fallback but there are only so many upgrade slots
L328[22:35:12] <Corded> > <Kristo​pher38> you should be able to mine enough coal to last you forever …
L329[22:35:12] <Kristo​pher38> that's my experience on vanilla anyway
L330[22:35:24] <Kristo​pher38> you mine one chunk and you should have at least one full stack of coal or something along those lines
L331[22:37:11] <Kristo​pher38> i'd worry more about handling the movement without the flying upgrade or whatever
L332[22:37:35] <Kristo​pher38> if we're talking upgrades
L333[22:38:05] <Kristo​pher38> since that somehow limits your movement options so you gotta have enough blocks to place in case you want to move somewhere where there's mostly air
L334[22:38:17] <Kristo​pher38> shouldn't be a big issue when mining though
L335[22:50:29] <Corded> > <Kristo​pher38> you should be able to mine enough coal to last you forever …
L336[22:50:29] <Comput​erCoco> Perhaps both? The problem then what upgrades to remove; I was originally trying to go with as minimal resources required; but that may just make the problems way too hard; then again it could also make it easier since a new copy would require less; hmmm
L337[22:51:05] <Kristo​pher38> my tip is to delegate as much to hardware rather than software
L338[22:51:13] <Kristo​pher38> your time is limited
L339[22:51:23] <Kristo​pher38> simplify as much as you can
L340[22:53:22] <Comput​erCoco> fair
L341[22:56:56] <Comput​erCoco> Also
L342[22:56:57] <Comput​erCoco> How would robots provide power to stationary computers? The only power gen in open computers seems to be those two upgrades, which only work in robots, which can't connect to cables to charge capacitors
L343[22:57:37] <Comput​erCoco> Is there any way to transfer this power? Or would another mod be needed? Or I guess you could just go full robot
L344[22:57:37] <Izzy> drones could leash sheep and drop them onto carpeted capacitors
L345[22:57:38] <Comput​erCoco> But then how would one assembly new robots, they have to power the assembly table
L346[22:57:58] <Kristo​pher38> they don't, you either have to have a generator from some other mod (preferable) or use the very contrived powergen from OC of carpeted capacitors
L347[22:58:10] <Comput​erCoco> Mobs don't spawn near chunk loaded robots from what I understand
L348[22:58:10] <Comput​erCoco> Unless I can still figure out how to make fake players for them
L349[22:58:25] <Comput​erCoco> I guess Ill use another mod then
L350[22:58:47] <Comput​erCoco> RFTools has a very simple, coal in, power out, block
L351[22:59:00] <Kristo​pher38> you absolutely need to have a computer to trigger the assembler, there's no other way afaik
L352[23:25:46] <Comput​erCoco> Question
L353[23:25:46] <Comput​erCoco> Can a robot change its own container upgrades?
L354[23:25:47] <Comput​erCoco> Like, if I put a disk drive in there, can it take the floppy disk out and put it somewhere else? to share data
L355[23:26:15] <Kristo​pher38> no
L356[23:26:41] <Kristo​pher38> iirc
L357[23:27:00] <Kristo​pher38> i believe i've tested that
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L362[23:31:17] <Comput​erCoco> https://paste.pc-logix.com/hacuqobuno
L363[23:31:51] <Comput​erCoco> I *guess* we could say the robot comes with 1 extra wireless control boot floppy
L364[23:33:50] <Kristo​pher38> you let the computer handle it
L365[23:34:28] <Kristo​pher38> robot just tells the computer to write data to a secondary hard drive
L366[23:34:38] <Kristo​pher38> robot takes out the hard drive from the computer case
L367[23:34:51] <Kristo​pher38> robot puts it in the assembler and tells the computer to trigger the assembler
L368[23:34:54] <Comput​erCoco> Yes but how would it tell the computer *anything* in the first place
L369[23:34:54] <Comput​erCoco> It would need to setup a wireless protocall
L370[23:35:03] <Kristo​pher38> by "tells" I of course mean wirelessly
L371[23:35:15] <Kristo​pher38> (or it could be redstone but that's just cursed)
L372[23:36:54] <Comput​erCoco> Yes but wireless or redstone, the computer needs to be configured (with code) *before hand* to be able to accept data in that way. The first computer will have no other computers for the robot to rely on for writing mods to the disk
L373[23:37:09] <Comput​erCoco> The robot will need to do it itself
L374[23:37:18] <Comput​erCoco> unless we provide it with a custom boot disk
L375[23:37:23] <Comput​erCoco> specially to get it going
L376[23:38:36] <Kristo​pher38> Look you need to, as a player, configure the robot first
L377[23:38:50] <Kristo​pher38> You might as well configure the PC
L378[23:39:11] <Kristo​pher38> The first PC to ever exist in the universe
L379[23:39:22] <Kristo​pher38> Rest of the computers can be automated
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