L1[00:02:54] <Va​ur> %tonk

L2[00:02:55] <MichiBot> Bejabbers! Va​ur! You beat Lii​zzii's previous record of 21 minutes and 29 seconds (By 4 hours, 18 minutes and 17 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L3[00:02:56] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 4 hours, 39 minutes and 46 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.0043 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.04399 more points to pass Forec​aster!

L5[00:55:14] <Amanda> Night girls

L8[01:13:45] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> Thing I'm pondering for TIS Advanced

L9[01:14:25] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> Say you're running with TIS-3D and Ad Astra or similar, and you want computers on the moon to be able to communicate with computers on Earth

L10[01:14:58] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> What would a module to enable that look like, and how would it work without making IR/Radios redundant?

L11[01:16:40] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> A pair of linked modules with no communication limit would immediately make IR and radio modules redundant, by just building a big router with a whole bunch of them

L12[01:19:14] <Izzy> unless they were Quite Expensive so you were encouraged to build them as local routers

L13[01:19:26] <Izzy> like OC linked cards

L14[01:20:02] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> Quite Expensive means nothing to a sufficiently motivated endgame player. I want to make sure that IR and radios remain relevant at all stages of gameplay

L15[01:21:53] <Izzy> hmm, you can't make it more expensive to run either, as IIRC TIS-3D doesn't use power beyond redstone

L16[01:22:12] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> Yeah, computers just run on a redstone signal

L17[01:25:24] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> I was able to do this kind of balancing really nicely with the tape storage drive, without making RAM or ROM modules redundant. It's persistent and read/write, but its API was built based on the idea of physically winding the tape forwards and backwards, and I introduced a time delay to wind the tape. So the end result

L18[01:25:24] <Corded> was that the RAM and ROM modules still had the advantage of quick random access, which also reflects how real-world tape drives work. But for something like an interdimensional radio, I'm a little lost for ideas

L19[01:26:03] <Izzy> you could require it to be refueled with quantum-entangled particles every so often

L20[01:26:27] <Izzy> because y'know, sending data burns bits

L21[01:26:30] <Izzy> like in that one novel

L22[01:26:44] <Izzy> or you could have it have an obnoxiously slow data rate

L23[01:27:05] <Izzy> the connection to the outer-solar-system probes is measured in bits per second nowadays

L24[01:34:49] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> The refueling just kinda sounds obnoxious, and there's no other TIS-3D module that takes fuel as far as I know. I'm not even sure the TIS-3D API would be able to handle that. As for the slow-ass data rate, that's not a bad idea. What I did for the radio module was I made it broadcast to *every* other radio in range, to

L25[01:34:49] <Corded> force players to handle interference, implement packet filtering, and deal with all the related design decisions. Ideally, I'd prefer a limitation that encourages the player to do something interesting to work within it. IMO, a slow data rate may not *quite* hit the mark on that, but it'd do a decent job of keeping IR and radios relevant

L26[01:35:44] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> I'll keep that one in my back pocket in case I can't come up with anything better

L27[01:39:54] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> Actually, thinking about it a little more...

L28[01:41:19] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> If I had to, I'd probably work around a slow data rate two ways: compacting my data as much as possible, and using multiple pairs of linked radios to parallelize the data transfer

L29[01:42:08] <Izzy> as a sidenote, if you have some sort of existing wireless redstone solution, it may be possible to make a modem for it

L30[01:42:24] <Izzy> and get inter-dimensional communication that way

L31[01:43:46] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> TIS Advanced is meant to just depend on TIS-3D, though I do design it with other mods in mind. The original concept for the ASIC module came about because I needed more accurate math for a Create: Aeronautics airship nav system

L32[01:44:19] <Izzy> I just meant players may be able to do so already y'know?

L33[01:44:41] <Izzy> like hooking ComputerCraft up to WR-CBE back in the day

L34[01:45:36] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> I know what you mean, but my expectation for the mod is that everything still fits nicely even if TIS-3D is the only other mod installed

L35[01:45:43] <Izzy> fair

L36[01:46:05] <Izzy> you could introduce random jitter to make reliable parallel communication more difficult but still possible

L37[01:47:05] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> The data compression side has plenty of interesting program specific design constraints, and the parallelization takes up limited module slots on a computer, since they're limited to 16 casing blocks

L38[01:47:23] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> The random jitter just sounds like suffering lol

L39[01:47:31] <Izzy> oh I didn't know about the 16 block limitation

L40[01:47:36] <Izzy> in that case it seems like a good trade-off

L41[01:48:03] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of the data rate just being really slow

L42[01:50:29] <Izzy> might also encourage you to build routers between dimensions

L43[01:51:01] <Izzy> a machine with radios or IR that just handles fast-ish communication between dimensions for everyone else

L44[01:52:15] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> An IR module can actually send packets through nether portals, but the End is, AFAIK, still impossible to send data to or from

L46[03:59:03] <walks​anator> %sip

L47[03:59:04] <MichiBot> You drink a warm cerulium potion (New!). walksanator feels slightly more agile.

L53[06:05:01] <ThePiGuy24> the funny https://files.thepiguy24.net/uploads/20231025070259_bk.img

L54[06:05:36] <Forec​aster> %tonk

L55[06:05:37] <MichiBot> Consarn it! Forec​aster! You beat Va​ur's previous record of 4 hours, 39 minutes and 46 seconds (By 1 hour, 22 minutes and 54 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L56[06:05:38] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 6 hours, 2 minutes and 41 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.0069 (0.00138 x 5) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.

L57[06:17:00] <Izzy> what is it?

L58[06:54:18] <ThePiGuy24> a disk image

L59[06:54:35] <ThePiGuy24> pun included

L60[06:55:51] <ThePiGuy24> tl;dr: 1024x1440 8bpp greyscale image with a fat12 filesystem on top of it

L67[07:29:32] <Izzy> please hold while I find my 2.88M floppy drive

L69[08:04:06] <ThePiGuy24> Izzy: too many megabytes

L70[08:04:33] <Izzy> oh, right

L71[08:04:49] <Izzy> saw 1024 and thought "that's double the size of a sector! must be 2.88M"

L72[08:28:03] <Ash​irg> %sip

L73[08:28:04] <MichiBot> You drink a basic naqahdah potion (New!). Ashirg watches helplessly as 0.065 tonk points take flight into the horizon. (Rem. uses: 1)

L74[08:28:53] <Ash​irg> Isn't that quite a lot?

L75[08:34:53] <ThePiGuy24> Izzy: you also dont need an actual floppy drive, you can see the hidden image with gimp or ffmpeg or whatver (though of course is more fun with an actual floppy ;p)

L76[08:54:29] <ThePiGuy24> my decisions keep happening https://files.thepiguy24.net/uploads/20231025095408_2023-10-25_09-45.png

L79[10:37:52] <Forec​aster> %splash Vaur basic naqahdah

L80[10:37:53] <MichiBot> You fling a basic naqahdah potion that splashes onto Vaur. Vaur watches helplessly as 0.057 tonk points take flight into the horizon. (Rem. uses: 0)

L81[10:38:10] <Forec​aster> It is a bit

L83[10:54:24] <Forec​aster> %sip

L84[10:54:25] <MichiBot> You drink a knifey adamantium potion (New!). Forecaster turns into an orange turtle toad girl until hell has a nice fall.

L85[10:54:33] <Forec​aster> Dangit

L86[10:57:09] <Forec​aster> Now I'll have to go manipulate the seasons in Hades again

L87[11:01:01] <Amanda> Hades is the god, not the realm. This explains why Tartarus is always so wild now, Persephone is always coming up early though

L89[11:40:31] <Amanda> ... The realm is Hel isn't it? Damn brain with names being foggy

L90[11:41:00] <Amanda> Tartarus is the land of the dead for the titans?

L91[11:41:12] <Amanda> I could Google this, but meh

L92[11:43:31] <Izzy> ThePiGuy24: that's cool but I have several times that in the cupboard here

L97[12:13:33] <Forec​aster> Amanda: Hades is also one of the names of the underworld

L98[12:14:08] <Amanda> I thought "The realm of hades" meant it was hades' realm, not the realm was called hades

L99[12:15:40] <Forec​aster> I checked Wikipedia to make sure I wasn't just making stuff up

L100[14:03:26] <Kristo​pher38> TIL Tartarus was the lowest level of Hades

L101[14:05:05] <Kristo​pher38> TIL There was also a deity named Tartarus

L102[14:07:21] <Corded> > <Ama​nda> ... The realm is Hel isn't it? Damn brain with names being …

L103[14:07:21] <Mim​iru> Hel is Norse.

L104[14:07:49] <Amanda> I see

L105[14:08:22] <Mim​iru> `Hel (from Old Norse: hel, lit. 'underworld') is a female being in Norse mythology who is said to preside over an underworld realm of the same name, where she receives a portion of the dead.`

L108[14:26:11] <Forec​aster> Unbelievable that the Greeks would plagiarize Disney this blatantly

L113[15:14:46] <Forec​aster> The ancient Greeks of course

L114[15:31:42] <Corded> > <Kristo​pher38> TIL There was also a deity named Tartarus

L115[15:31:42] <Na​dja> The realm *is* the deity

L116[15:32:29] <Kristo​pher38> Is it?

L117[15:32:53] <Na​dja> Tartarus is a deity, but in the same way that gaia is.

L118[15:36:01] <Na​dja> And yes, they are from the age of the titans, not from the olympians.

L119[15:41:38] <Amanda> @Nadja: Stop slamming my pihole c node with requests for some _ldap.foo domain please

L120[15:45:03] <Corded> > <Ama​nda> @Nadja: Stop slamming my pihole c node with requests for so…

L121[15:45:03] <Na​dja> Never, your network will use the worst protocol, if you want it or not!

L122[15:45:21] <Amanda> ... okay well then, that answers that

L123[15:45:27] <Amanda> It wasn't my dad's laptop going nuts like I thought

L124[15:45:33] <Amanda> I accidetnally did a resolver loop. :D

L125[15:46:05] <Amanda> pihole was forwarding .home to my router, for some reason my router was forwarding that back to the pihole node

L130[16:11:31] <Forec​aster> %sip

L131[16:11:32] <MichiBot> You drink a proprietary bavarium potion (New!). Forecaster grows whiskers for 5 hours.

L132[16:39:39] <Liizzii> hmm, anyone know a utility on linux to track/log data usage for clients on the whole network? I know there's vnstat for monitoring on the localhost but don't think that can give me the breakdown of "data transferred by IP X in Y timeframe" and/or monitor traffic that has been "mirrored" to the host (i.e. on a network switch, set port A to mirror to

L133[16:39:39] <Liizzii> port B, port B is connected to the linux system monitoring data flow)

L134[16:41:20] <Liizzii> want to potentially see a breakdown from stuff at work as to which machines/networks are using the most in terms of internet

L135[16:49:44] <Liizzii> hmm, think i may have found something that's close to what i want, darkstat

L136[16:57:29] <Forec​aster> Sounds stealthy

L137[17:09:17] <Liizzii> hmm, i think this might do what i want it to, just need to test in live environement.

L138[17:29:18] <Liizzii> oh god why did i think putting KDE on my linux install on this old 2014 mac mini was a good idea?

L139[17:29:31] <Liizzii> though maybe if it didn't have a hard drive it'd run faster

L140[17:52:41] <Forec​aster> Loading nothing is very fast, can confirm

L141[18:02:42] <Va​ur> %tonk

L142[18:02:43] <MichiBot> Uh-oh! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 6 hours, 2 minutes and 41 seconds (By 5 hours, 54 minutes and 24 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L143[18:02:44] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 11 hours, 57 minutes and 5 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.04137 (0.00591 x 7) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.06652 more points to pass Forec​aster!

L146[18:47:27] <Va​ur> %sip

L147[18:47:28] <MichiBot> You drink a serif-only redstone potion (New!). Vaur is suddenly wearing gloves they don't remember putting on.

L159[21:53:46] <Amanda> %choose rain box or wait

L160[21:53:46] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Why not both? Okay fine. "rain box".

L161[21:54:00] <Amanda> Hrm hrm

L162[21:54:15] <Amanda> Sounds good nya

L164[23:27:27] <Liizzii> hmm, anyone know some lightweight CSS libraries other than bootstrap? Using bootstrap is okay but not sure if there's anything out there that i could maybe use for my web stuff

L165[23:28:28] <S​3> I have been out of the web dev scene for 10 years

L166[23:28:32] <S​3> Something like that

L167[23:28:48] <S​3> I have no idea what's out there anymore. I'm surprised bootstrap still exists